General Debate 10 December 2009

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Yvette

Will the proposed McKenzie Country ‘stall-cow’ farms, or any new farming initiative for that matter, be required to conform to Kyoto/Copenhagen emission restraints or will they, because they are farming operations be exempt while everything else complies?
Like, will we be further subsidising cheese which already we can’t afford?
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December 10, 2009 8:04am
big bruv

Great to see that the Easter trading bill was voted down last night.

A victory for families, a victory for common sense and a victory for our productivity.
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December 10, 2009 8:08am
Simon

“Former Bank of England policy maker Willem Buiter said Greece may be the first major country in the European Union to default on its debts since the aftermath of World War II.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aDMQfsXXnSqw&pos=2

Out of control social spending, big government with huge debt.

The modern social democratic state is unsustainable. Greece is just ahead of the curve.
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December 10, 2009 8:11am
andrei

Cheese production leads to toxic GHG emissions, Yvette, and New Zealand has to pull its weight in this planet saving business.

I’m afraid if we will just have to accept that cheese by necessity will no longer be a staple of kids school lunches may I suggest healthy low fat tofu as a suitable replacement. Its a win win, not only will you be doing your bit for the planet but tofu is so low in calories that you will be doing your bit to fight the obesity epidemic.
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December 10, 2009 8:19am
Murray

If the climate is warming why do we need to start putting cows inside after we’ve left them wander around outside for the last 170 odd years?
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December 10, 2009 8:21am
Say Goodbye to Hollywood

So Taupo can open on Easter Sunday but Rotorua can’t? Yeah that’s a victory, for stupidity.
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December 10, 2009 8:22am
big bruv

“may I suggest healthy low fat tofu”

No you may fucking not!
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December 10, 2009 8:22am
Murray

Tofu is despised throughout the galaxy!
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December 10, 2009 8:25am
transmogrifier

Tofu is all good in a spicy meal (the contrast is refreshing), but is no replacement for the pleasures of a great big hunk of steak, or indeed most forms of animal protein.
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December 10, 2009 8:28am
Simon

Obama urges major new stimulus, jobs spending

Obama said the U.S. has had to “spend our way out of this recession”

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jy6s4th2AWz2wvrF9UGpJs3t_WxgD9CFFRJG0

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”. Albert Einstein
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December 10, 2009 8:30am
homepaddock

Last time a Wanaka retailer was in court for opening at Easter the judge said the law was a nonsense.

MPs lost he chance to sort out the nonsense last night.

Any law which is regularly and openly flouted is a bad law. Todd McLay’s bill wouldn’t have unleashed commercial mayhem, it would simply have given local authorities the chance to address local problems.
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December 10, 2009 8:37am
pdm

What has happened to Lee C at Monkeywithtypewriter?

I have tried to log in twice today (UK time) and got the message he cannot be found.
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December 10, 2009 8:41am
Yvette

How can a conscience vote giving a result over 80% in a referendum be ignored when a conscience vote on Easter trading [ krap ! : 62-59] be valid, especially when my electorate member didn’t consult me, who she is paid to represent?
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December 10, 2009 8:50am
malcolm

It’ll be very interesting to see what Fonterra do regarding these indoor dairy farms.

They’ve said they fear the detrimental effect on the image of New Zealand’s dairying image. I’ll take their word for it, as they would know. Perception and reality are different things and markets are fickle. NZ butter has already been subject to negative (and erroneous) press on food-miles/energy-intensity in the UK.

I suppose Fonterra could refuse to take the milk. Does anyone know where these farms can send their milk?
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December 10, 2009 8:51am
Lazybum

I love the current recession. I had a salary rise from $82K to $90K and I have just recieved a $2500 bonus to boot. Our mortgage has gone from $200K to $100K due to a lump sum payment and low interest rates. XMAS shopping will be cheaper as well, esp. on Boxing Day and the holiday is cheaper as motels are not charging as much as previous years.

Who else has had a good 2009 financially? I am sure I am not the only one.
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December 10, 2009 9:02am
Pete George

Cadbury in Dunedin are looking at increasing their chocolate production. But they may also be wary of risking bad karma from sourcing their milk from barns.
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December 10, 2009 9:04am
Lazybum

I also forgot, I did 4 papers at Business school paid by my employer. 1 paper to go in Q1 then I am finished.
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December 10, 2009 9:13am
tom hunter

Andrei

As you will have observed from your karma rating, almost all humour works on blog sites – except sarcasm. 🙂
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December 10, 2009 9:14am
Inventory2

pdm asks “What has happened to Lee C at Monkeywithtypewriter?”

pdm – he has threatened to pull the plug a few times claiming to be but a voice in the wilderness. It looks as though he wasn’t crying wolf this time! It’s a shame too, because Lee often had a rather “different” take on the world.
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December 10, 2009 9:21am
dime

Lazy Bum – good stuff 🙂 i know a couple of people who are in similar situations.

Personally im down a chunk, the winter was brutal. the 60 cent dollar didnt help either!
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December 10, 2009 9:21am
Brian Harmer

“We eat green green grass, all the year round”
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December 10, 2009 9:31am
getstaffed

Who else has had a good 2009 financially? I am sure I am not the only one

Not I sadly. Back in April IRD ‘found’ an error (they claim mine, I claim theirs) from my 2004 taxation so I’ve been hit with a massive back tax bill + interest. Locked in battle over that. I had income generating work up until June, but little since. But our son who has been overseas all year is back next week… so bugger the financial grumps. He’s more valuable!
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December 10, 2009 9:31am
big bruv

Did anybody else catch the item about the new USA ambassador on TVNZ news last night?

Why is it that those who claim to be ‘openly gay’ feel the bloody need to broadcast their sexuality?

For the record, I could not give a fuck if he is a poof, straight or bi sexual, we just do not need to know.

Oh….and did you notice that he shares a remarkable resemblance to a certain parter of a certain ex PM.
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December 10, 2009 9:41am
Don the Kiwi

Had a shit year actually, as most builders in Tauranga have. No work from April to August, so did an alteration at home.

Picking up now though – will be able to afford a beer for Christmas.

I think I’ll study Climatology and get on board the gravy train. 😉
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December 10, 2009 9:42am
Neil

Just like to kinow who deserted ships in each of the political parties in the Shopping Hours debate.
Did any National MP defect blowing any case of freedom of choice. Once again, people don’t have to shop on those days.
I watched some of the debate and saw the hypocrisy of Lynne Pillay, an ex-union lackey, praising Steve Chadwick for her support of the bill and then lambasting it for its lack of worker protection.
This fiasco just continues to make the law an ass.
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December 10, 2009 9:43am
Murray

Ok thats it, I’m coming out of the closet!

Yes its true, I am heterosexual!

Does this make me New Zealands first “openly heterosexual” blogger?
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December 10, 2009 9:48am
Murray

Don, you’ll be adding to at least two hockey sticks if you do that.
http://hittingmetalwithahammer.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/the-real-climate-hocky-stick-revealed/
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December 10, 2009 9:49am
Camryn

Malcolm – There are numerous other milk processors, not just direct competitors to Fonterra but others that’re niche focused (e.g. specialist dairy, goat milk, etc).
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December 10, 2009 9:49am
dime

im with bruv. keep the shops closed a few days a year. it wont kill ya.

i make my money supplying retail shops, so technically it costs me money… but shit happens. closed shops are good for family time.
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December 10, 2009 9:51am
big bruv

Neil

Yes, people do not have to shop on those three and a half days, however, workers would be forced to be there.

Chill out mate, the world will not end if we have three and a half days a year off.
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December 10, 2009 9:51am
dime

what is new zealands favourite pastime nowadays?

the mall food court would have to be somewhere near the top?
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December 10, 2009 9:58am
Murray

One observable result of 24 hour 7 day shopping is the reduced ability of people to survive a natural disaster.

Back in the days of one late night shopping and everything closing at 5 on Friday everyone was conditioned to shop for a weeks supplies with top ups of bread and milk. These days the supermarkets are packed the day before and the day after a holiday by thousands of logisitcally challenged retail slaves buying enough food for the next 12 hours only.

God help them when the big cuts them off for four or five days.
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December 10, 2009 9:59am
MikeNZ

AGW
Maybe Climategate will be a good thing for open discussion in the future?
http://www.copenhagenclimatechallenge.org/
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December 10, 2009 10:21am
Pete George

Maybe (the possible) AGW will help us close the gap with Australia without having to do anything, they have had extreme weather over the last decade, if that gets worse we might benefit. No need for Brash, just sit and wait for the benefits?

Also, new technology may become available that gives us an advantage so we should just wait for that?
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December 10, 2009 10:31am
Captain Crab

Mark Hotchin and co better watch out. The OAP Gang will get them.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/3147079/Pensioners-torture-financial-advisor
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December 10, 2009 10:40am
gravedodger

So today messys TEW, HOBBS and co can destroy the legacy of what has been one of the best NPCs in recent times with another tinkering at the margins.
The edge that coming and going ABs, lesser unions proving themselves against vaunted (often undeserved) teams, the opportunities offered to virtual unknown players, and upset results , brought to the game this year, was if nothing else, refreshing, in a word.
Instead of talking about the financial viability of the 14 team comp why not try and work out why Hawkes Bay could fill their admittedly smaller stadium for a round robin game and Canterbury couldn’t raise a halfway decent turnout for the final. No it wasn’t even halfway decent.
A few pointers
1 treat the loyal fans as an asset, not a resource and treat the casuals as a bonus
2 overcome the sponsership problem with the beer, it is not often that a majority will want the one product. Lion at one end NZB at the other and some real brewers at half way, dare I say it even consider a rotation policy
2a food concessions likewise.
3 Most of the base fans you are looking for would rather see a curtain raiser of Bs Or College 1sts than the plastic crap on offer. Even a couple of JAB teams club or Rep.
4 Look to afternoon rugby as a default position and explain to those that want night rugby that the “product” will be more marketable as a spectacle
5 Give serious consideration to delaying the TV coverage of the big games S14,NPC not necessarily Tests. (I accept that regional blackout is not a go)
6 Accept and acknowledge that the management of the last British and Irish Lions ticketing was a P R disaster and even an apology.(its fashionable you know) could have a good outcome.
As to how you get the thousands (I thought it was hundreds) of us who took the money we used to invest in the season ticket and built a home entertainment system in the warmth of our lounge, provided the beer we enjoy and food that was great and not life threatening, back, I do not know but it will require more than the begging phone calls that the CRU tried when we all walked away 4 years ago.
ps I still have my love of the game, a little bit of Lancaster Park in my lawn, my red and black eye patch a desire to bring back rucking (now theres a thought) and to Mrs G D’s eternal disappointment (yes she had her season ticket too), a passion for rugby that all too often interferes with what she considers important.
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December 10, 2009 10:43am
Captain Crab

Pete,
You mean Climate Change not AGW.
But agree about technology. Will we see a machine invented which “eats” CO2? Will the solution to rising sea levels be desalination plants and transporting the water to inland lakes and dams?
If man can imagine then man can create.
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December 10, 2009 10:55am
Pete George

If man can imagine then man can create.
But one day he’ll find he can no longer make
things that will prolong his snowballing mess,
more and still more will end up being less.
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December 10, 2009 11:05am
tom hunter

The President of the United States on Monday:

….“But with a fiscal crisis to match our economic crisis, we also must be prudent about how we fund it. So to help support these efforts, we’re going to wind down the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP — the fund created to stabilize the financial system so banks would lend again.” …

Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner 48 hours later…..

…… Geithner says the administration is extending the financial bailout program until next fall.
In a letter to House and Senate leaders, Geithner says the extension is “necessary to assist American families and stabilize financial markets.” …
Geithner says the program will be extended until Oct. 3, 2010.

Smart power – now with extra Blackberry.
(hat tip to HA)
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December 10, 2009 11:06am
Don the Kiwi

“Will we see a machine invented which ‘eats’ CO2? “

We’ve already got them – they’re called ‘plants and trees”. 🙂
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December 10, 2009 11:06am
Murray

I was going to say.
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December 10, 2009 11:09am
bearhunter

It’s not often I have anything good to say about the politicians in my homeland, but the Irish Government’s just-released “punishing” budget actually has some welcome measures. Including:

– Salary of Taoiseach (Prime Minister) to be reduced by 20 per cent, salaries of Ministers to be reduced by 15 per cent

The pay of public servants will be reduced with effect from 1 January 2010 as follows:
– A reduction of 5 pc on the first €30,000 of salary;
– A reduction of 7.5 pc on the next €40,000 of salary; and
– A reduction of 10 pc on the next €55,000 of salary
– This will include the pay of hospital consultants
– Minimum pension age for new public servants is 66
– Review of public service pensions to be carried out

Social Welfare payments:
– Job-Seekers Allowance: New applicant rates for those 20-21 years of age will be reduced to €100 per week and those of 22-24 years of age to €150 per week
– The State pension remains unchanged
– An efficiency report of Local Authorities is to be carried out
– Child Benefit rates, lower and higher will be reduced by €16 per month, bringing these rates to €150 and €187 per month respectively.

VAT and Excise changes:
The reductions will be as follows:
– 12 cent per pint of beer and cider
– 14 cent per half glass of spirits
– 60 cent per standard bottle of wine
– If the reduction is not passed on the consumer it will be reversed
– 0.5% increase on VAT imposed in October 2008 has been reversed

I love the fact that unless the liquor industry passes on tax savings to the consumer then the cuts will be reversed. I love it almost as much as the thought of ministers taking a pay cut.
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December 10, 2009 11:43am
MT_Tinman

BB no one gives me three and a half days off a year (paid).

In fact my last year saw business down 60% and no way could I contemplate taking those days off.

Why should workers be forced to take those days off because of some superstition practiced by a small minority?
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December 10, 2009 12:12pm
Captain Crab

Pete
“But one day he’ll find he can no longer make”

Dont you mean , we wont have to, as we will have nanobots doing it for us.
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December 10, 2009 12:16pm
malcolm

Malcolm – There are numerous other milk processors, not just direct competitors to Fonterra but others that’re niche focused (e.g. specialist dairy, goat milk, etc).

Thanks, I don’t know much about what is down there. Still 18,000 cows is a lot of milk and I imagine these other processors might see the marketing angle much the same as Fonterra?

It’s amazing the products that have Fonterra written on them. Just today noticed that frozen croissants come from a Fonterra-owned company in Wiri.
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December 10, 2009 12:19pm
Pete George

Captain Crab at 12:16 pm

Dont you mean , we wont have to, as we will have nanobots doing it for us.

Maybe the nanobots will have done us and will be doing it all for themselves.
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December 10, 2009 12:25pm
wreck1080

Is there some irony, that the government are bringing in a tax on power prices to decrease carbon emissions.

At the same time, the government are restructuring the power industry to improve competition and reduce prices.

It is unbelievably crazy.
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December 10, 2009 12:34pm
Kris K

big bruv 9:41 am,

Did anybody else catch the item about the new USA ambassador on TVNZ news last night?
Why is it that those who claim to be ‘openly gay’ feel the bloody need to broadcast their sexuality?
For the record, I could not give a fuck if he is a poof, straight or bi sexual, we just do not need to know.

BB, didn’t they tell you that if you declare yourself ‘openly gay’ a whole new world opens up for you?
I’ve even heard it rumoured that it’s ‘the preferred option these days’. Get with the programme. It’s such a shame, though, that they still can’t breed. Oh well, I guess we’re not all ‘created equal’ in that respect 😈
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December 10, 2009 12:38pm
Kris K

Pete George 12:25 pm,

Maybe the nanobots will have done us and will be doing it all for themselves.

Ah yes, the rise of the machines – Arnie’s back.
Where’s John Connor when you need him?
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December 10, 2009 12:46pm
big bruv

Comrade Key and Comrade Smith have backed down in the face of a few thousand middle aged bikers.

The gutless bastards are going to shift the cost of covering these two wheeled idiots from those who ride motor bikes to the rest of us.

Another tax increase that I did not vote for and another election promise broken by our spineless socialist PM.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3147870/ACC-levy-hikes-pegged-back
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December 10, 2009 1:04pm
Murray

Go and run over a few cyclists bb, that’ll make you feel better.
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December 10, 2009 1:12pm
Inventory2

You missed some of it big bruv:

” Confirming the new levies today, ACC Minister Nick Smith said registration rates for motorcycles would range from $327.70 to $426.92, compared with rates of between $511.43 and $745.77 under rates proposed by ACC. But that is still an increase of between $75 and $174 for the owners of petrol powered motorcycles.

Registration costs for petrol powered cars will rise to $198.46 – up about $30 on the current rate but less than the $272.72 proposed by ACC. For non-petrol cars, the rate has risen $311.38, up from $279.09. ”

Don’t get so blinded by your hatred of the PM that objectivity goes out the window 😉
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December 10, 2009 1:13pm
Pete George

Pre-Nobel presentation in Norway – the star of Obama?

The light was captured by amateur photographer Jan Petter Jorgensen while he was on his way to work at a salmon factory.
“The light appeared for 2-3 minutes. I could not believe my eyes, and got the shivers and was quite shaken by it”, Mr Jorgensen said.

Nice pic included:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/6770959/Strange-light-in-Norwegian-sky-sparks-mystery.html

And a video here: http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/12/09/2147455.aspx
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December 10, 2009 1:15pm
side show bob

I see the head bullshitter has been caught bullshitting again, diseased bastard. This green two bob made a speech in which he stated the released emails about the AGW con where more then ten years old. How does this prick get away with these lies, he should be strung up. The most recent email was sent in October, how the fuck can you can claim otherwise.

And Mac daddy is off to get his gong, these lefty pricks are unreal. Does their inflated egos know no bounds, I know where I would stick his gong.
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December 10, 2009 1:22pm
getstaffed

Pete – that’s a great pic. Wonder what caused it?
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December 10, 2009 1:33pm
Pete George

The usual suspects are being blamed – aliens or Russians, or possibly it’s an Elvis hologram.

But there is a phenomenon called atmospheric temperature tipping point reaction, it is possible that has somehow been triggered by all the heat rising from Copenhagen.
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December 10, 2009 1:37pm
getstaffed

A noted climatologist, identified as a skeptic for many years, published an open letter to his fellow climatologists, taking the climate research community to task for behavior that he described as a violation of the public trust, and even suggesting temporarily suspending the UN Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change (IPCC). What a good idea!

Dr. Petr Chylek, Remote Sensing Team Leader, Space and Remote Sensing Group, Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL), first sent his letter on Saturday (December 5) to 100 prominent climatologists. He afterward named James Hansen of NASA, Steve Schneider[*], and Phil Jones of the East Anglia Climatic Research Unit (CRU) among those to whom he had sent his letter. On Monday (December 7), he sent his letter to four separate addresses at LANL. The letter can be seen here.

This open letter concludes:

“The damage has been done. The public trust in climate science has been eroded. At least a part of the IPCC 2007 report has been put in question. We cannot blame it on a few irresponsible individuals. The entire esteemed climate research community has to take responsibility. Yes, there always will be a few deniers and obstructionists.

So what comes next? Let us stop making unjustified claims and exaggerated projections about the future even if the editors of some eminent journals are just waiting to publish them. Let us admit that our understanding of the climate is less perfect than we have tried to make the public believe. Let us drastically modify or temporarily discontinue the IPCC. Let us get back to work.

Let us encourage students to think their own thoughts instead of forcing them to parrot the IPCC conclusions. Let us open the doors of universities, of NCAR, NASA and other research institutions (and funding agencies) to faculty members and researchers who might disagree with the current paradigm of carbon dioxide. Only open discussion and intense searching of all possibilities will let us regain the public’s trust and move forward.”

Sounds sensible to me.

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[*]Steve Schneider once said “We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest”. He, and other Climatology high-priests are unlikely to support the idea of open discussion. We shall see.
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December 10, 2009 1:54pm
Pete George

Sir Bernard Ingham, a journalist and former civil servant (best known as Margaret Thatcher’s Chief Press Secretary), said “Many journalists have fallen for the conspiracy theory of government. I do assure you that they would produce more accurate work if they adhered to the cock-up theory.”

Also abbreviated as “cock-up before conspiracy”.
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December 10, 2009 2:10pm
big bruv

I see that William Campbell, 25, resident of Porirua and all round piece of shit has admitted seven charges of animal cruelty, he will be sentenced later today.

http://clintheine.blogspot.com/
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December 10, 2009 2:25pm
Manolo

In view of the Easter trade bill defeat you can read the following statement and piss uncontrolably with laughter:
“The National Party was founded on principles of individual responsibility, private enterprise, and reward for individual effort. These principles are the only sure path to a society of personal freedom and rising standards of living for all.”

Notice the emphasis on was, not anymore.

The National Party MPs who joined socialist Labour in voting against the bill are: 1) Bill English (Clutha-Southland ), 2) Phil Heatley (Whangarei), 3) Sam Lotu-Iiga (Maungakiekie), 4) Chester Borrows (Wanganui), 5) Tim Macindoe (Hamilton West), 6) Eric Roy (Invercargill), 7) Katrina Shanks (list), 8) Shane Ardern (Taranaki-King Country), and 9) Jonathan Young (New Plymouth)

We certainly have a bunch of weasels, a pack of cowards in government.
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December 10, 2009 2:35pm
Inventory2

big bruv – give ‘im a taste of his own medicine – bullies don’t like it when you stand up to them
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December 10, 2009 2:40pm
getstaffed

United Nations backtracks on Climategate email scandal, will not investigate.

Pachauri, the head of the IPCC (and a locomotive engineer), has said that his only concern was finding out who was behind the ‘leak’, not if there are any problems with the science behind the manmade climate change theory or the scientists that formulated it.

Pachauri said, “The persons who have worked on this report, and those who unfortunately have been victims of this terrible and illegal act, are outstanding scientists, and have contributed enormously over the 20, 21 years of the existence of the IPCC.”.

IMO they are outstanding frauds who have unquestioningly done the UN’s bidding and, in the process, tarnished the reputation of thousands of principled scientists.
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December 10, 2009 3:23pm
Hurf Durf

I’m annoyed about the Danish Text leak. When you consider the awful, shitty, stupid things this conference could come up, the text is a comparatively alright thing – and the fucking guilt-ridden Guardian goes and ruins it. Fuck the Guardian.
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December 10, 2009 4:00pm
dime

bruv – my buddy owns 30 bikes. bit harsh he would have to pay 20k a year to ACC.

they could have at least limited it to 5 bikes or something.
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December 10, 2009 4:15pm
Chris C

Yeah, fuck the Guardian and their stupid fucking conscience, reminding everyone that the world doesn’t just consist of those who write these things. Fuck poor countries. What the fuck do they produce except kids and AIDS? And kids with AIDS? They don’t deserve any quarter from the G20 or the OECD. Fuck them.
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December 10, 2009 4:21pm
big bruv

Dime

Tough fucking luck for your buddy, if I owned 30 cars I would still have to pay the ACC levy on those 30 cars.

Why the fuck should I subsidise your buddy?

Just another example of how gutless our socialist PM is.
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December 10, 2009 4:23pm
Hurf Durf

Wipe your tears, Chris.
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December 10, 2009 4:28pm
big bruv

“They don’t deserve any quarter from the G20 or the OECD. Fuck them.”

You got it, that is exactly what I think they should get from us.

We have plenty of worthy causes in this country thank you very much, but if you feel like donating your money to them then go right ahead, just don’t tell me that I should donate my tax dollars to them.
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December 10, 2009 4:31pm
tom hunter

……Fuck poor countries…………. They don’t deserve any quarter from the G20 or the OECD…..

And they’re not going to get any.

Shame – if only there were caring leaders in the West who were willing to let them develop capitalist societies and lend them vastly increased aid only for specific things like AIDS.

People like George Bush. 😉
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December 10, 2009 4:36pm
Chris C

I ain’t crying Hurf – the talks are still ongoing, the work is still to be done. If this leak was designed as an attempt to derail talks, then the opposite effect has become true. Anyway, it’s not like the developing countries wouldn’t have had input or consultation from the Danes.

The text does have some positive points – it does work toward freeing up the funding channels for developing countries. Otherwise, it’s just another symptom of why things will be difficult to change: it’s difficult to get the richest countries to give up more or skew policy toward development of the poorer countries.
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December 10, 2009 4:37pm
Banana Llama

Fuck poor people with Aids?
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December 10, 2009 4:38pm
Chris C

tom hunter
December 10th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

Shame – if only there were caring leaders in the West who were willing to let them develop capitalist societies and lend them vastly increased aid for specific things like AIDS.

People like George Bush. 😉

Yes, because abstinence works. Did you have a silver ring, or are you still wearing it?
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December 10, 2009 4:39pm
Hurf Durf

Yeah, more redistribution of wealth into the financial black hole that is the LEDC. That’s the end goal of the AGW con and the politics of guilt.
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December 10, 2009 4:41pm
Repton

It seems to me that the smart thing to do would be to levy ACC based on distance driven, perhaps at WOF time.
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December 10, 2009 4:43pm
tom hunter

…..Did you have a silver ring……

I had my Live Aid poster 🙂 Speaking of which…..

Mr. Geldof praised Mr. Bush for his work in delivering billions to fight disease and poverty in Africa, and blasted the U.S. press for ignoring the achievement.

Mr. Bush, said Mr. Geldof, “has done more than any other president so far.”

“This is the triumph of American policy really,” he said. “It was probably unexpected of the man. It was expected of the nation, but not of the man, but both rose to the occasion.”

“What’s in it for [Mr. Bush]? Absolutely nothing,” Mr. Geldof said.

Mr. Geldof said that the president has failed “to articulate this to Americans” but said he is also “pissed off” at the press for their failure to report on this good news story.

“You guys didn’t pay attention,” Geldof said to a group of reporters from all the major newspapers.

Guess you didn’t either Chris C!
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December 10, 2009 4:45pm
Chris C

Hurf Durf (1128) Says:
December 10th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

Yeah, more redistribution of wealth into the financial black hole that is the LEDC. That’s the end goal of the AGW con and the politics of guilt.

Yes, because that’s the easiest way to do it. Convince the world there’s a massive climate disaster heading for it, and then write draft policies skewed toward the richer countries in order to funnel money into poor countries because… well, just because.

Didn’t you ever hear of Occam’s Razor?
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December 10, 2009 4:48pm
Chris C

Guess you didn’t either Chris C!

No, because Geldof is the biggest prick out of the Counties since… well, ever. Always has been, always will be. Saved millions of fucking lives through doing fuck all about the genocide in Sudan, aided Africa back to self-sufficiency by buying up food aid through federal agriculture support programs and then dumping it on them, regardless of whether or not it’s any good. Same with medicines: drop tax relief for companies who give aid to Africa, and then dump a load of shit on them they can’t use.

Uh, help for Africa to help others. I don’t know about you, but I don’t really think that dumping a bunch of crap on Africa by merit of tax breaks is the road to self-sufficiency. And I don’t really think it should still be happening.
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December 10, 2009 4:56pm
side show bob

What were the clowns that organised the Carbonhargen wank fest thinking of. I would have thought that anyone claiming the world is heating up and we must do something about it would have picked a venue that made the participants break out in a sweat. The temperature at Carbonhargen is about 4 or 5 degrees at the moment, with temperatures to drop further later on. Meanwhile Nth America is covered with snow and ice and most of the northern hemisphere is enjoying an early winter. Maybe, just maybe God is trying to tell them something or more likely they really are thick bastards, fancy calling a conference on global warming in the middle of winter.
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December 10, 2009 5:18pm
Hurf Durf

Gordon Brown the cunt is pulling a Hulun. What is it with socialists and having a strop when they’re about to lose?
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December 10, 2009 5:45pm
philu

well..gee..!..tom..

you may be surprised/pleased to know that at whoar i have reported/commented on just that..

the ‘good things’ that bush did..

it’s a fairly short list..

but ..y’know..!..credit where credit is due..

..eh..?

(this is from 2008..)

http://whoar.co.nz/2008/bush-does-goodgo-figure/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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December 10, 2009 5:55pm
Hurf Durf

Another boring, shitty piece on the useless Kennedys by Dim Wilson. They’re DEAD, shut UP.
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December 10, 2009 7:19pm
tom hunter

No, because Geldof is the biggest prick out of the Counties since… well, ever.

Heh, heh, heh.

Yeah – well having read his autobiography years ago I can’t help agreeing. For all the massive wankfest that Live Aid was it sure as hell did not create a permanent solution.

You might be surprised at the number of your points I agree with – having advised Andrei earlier in the day that sarcasm does not work on blogs I just assumed that you were following his approach.

Still….. Fuck their governments I agree.
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