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mike tan

“Destiny’s Cult-like parallels”

The maker of TVNZ’s new show The Cult has spoken of eerie similarities between comments made by the charismatic leader in the show and Destiny Church’s Bishop Brian Tamaki.

Both crowned themselves spiritual fathers, required a pledge of allegiance, and even the names drew parallels, said The Cult’s series executive producer Phil Smith.

But Smith said the “jaw dropping” moment was watching Campbell Live’s secretly recorded footage of Tamaki giving a sermon to a gathering called MoMENtum – the same name as the cult on the television show.

Last Tuesday the fictional show had a speech from cult leader Ed North warning of the outside world.

“Now we must fight them,” he preached. “People on the outside cannot touch us.”

Smith said only two days later, Tamaki’s words almost echoed those from North.

One of the stated aims of Destiny’s gathering was to “raise men, fit for war”.

Tamaki’s sermon continued: “Who is going to touch my people?”

Janine Cardno, media spokesperson for Destiny Church, said the church was not a cult. “Obviously we are not. We are no different from anyone else whether it’s Catholics, Protestants, or whatever. The fundamentals are the same.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10606588
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November 1, 2009 8:44am
Grant Michael McKenna

Parents say it wasn’t alcohol, because their kids don’t do that. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10606568 Yeah, Right.
Edit: herald- Families dismiss alcohol factor in fatal crash
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November 1, 2009 8:47am
Inventory2

From the police comments, it would seem that their alcohol detection devices say otherwise.

But alcohol or not, what is a 16-year-old on a learner’s licence doing driving a van-load of pissed teenagers late at night? This accident is a tragic outcome for the families involved, but it is also a reflection of a youth culture which has no regard whatsoever for the rule of law.
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November 1, 2009 9:02am
Inventory2

Henry 7; Deans 1

Oh dear; how sad; never mind 🙂
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November 1, 2009 9:03am
jcuknz

You don’t need to give up eating meat to save the world from global warming but rather to try and eat meat which has been raised better … farm produced rather than factory produced. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/opinion/31niman.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&th&emc=th
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November 1, 2009 9:03am
Pete George

“Henry 7; Deans 1”

Did Deans win the first one? It certainly seems to have change the complexion of the coaching debate. Actually the All Black triumvirate seemed to do ok last night. Good defence. Good attack at times. Good lineouts – but the scrum could do with a bit of work.
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November 1, 2009 9:07am
Inventory2

Yep Pete – way back in July last year – since then the Henry-coached team has had the wood on the Wallabies, including a 4-zip scoreline this season.

And yes, the improvements in the All Black lineout (particularly) and the back-play were noticeable. Perhaps the coaching reshuffle has had a positive effect on the players – same message, but different voice. I agree that the scrum was rusty, and it actually deteriorated when Afoa replaced Tialata – but they’re still missing Ali Williams’ scrummaging – IMHO, he and Brad Thorn are a formidable combination in the second row, and the AB scrum is seldom bettered when they are locking together.
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November 1, 2009 9:12am
dad4justice

Robbie Deans has a young developing side very similar in nature to the first crusader franchise team, and we all know how successful he was turning the red and blacks into a winning machine. The three wise men can cry on Magpie TV come world cup time. Never mind as New Zealand like losers, just look at the political parasites, ex cops and ego lawyers ruining the NZRU. Rugby is being cut down at grass root level but who cares as long as the many managers get a cut of the money. What a sad and sick country!
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November 1, 2009 9:14am
Rachael Rich

A quote from the Herald on Sunday editorial: “”Labour, it seems, has lost its moral compass”
Did they ever have one!

I think the media are making up for 9 years of being bullied and silenced by H1 and H2.
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November 1, 2009 9:14am
thedavincimode

jcuknz – good one. It also underscore the flaw in lobbing all farmers into the same basket from an emissions perspective because that won’t encourage changes in practice that are readily achievable and can enhance on-farm profitability. He mentioned organics – there are what might be regarded as more conventional science-based alternatives.

Nandor, are you receiving?
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November 1, 2009 9:16am
Inventory2

dad4justice said “Rugby is being cut down at grass root level but who cares as long as the many managers get a cut of the money.”

Bollocks dad – did you go to Rugby Park yesterday? The Meads Cup final between Wanganui and Mid Canterbury was a cracking match, as was the Lochore Cup final over on the coast. There’s been some terrific rugby in the Heartland Championship this season, and the Air NZ Cup has been the most competitive yet. There is plenty to like about grassroots rugby, even though I disagree with the NZRU’s proposal to trim the AirNZ Cup.
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November 1, 2009 9:23am
Sonny Blount

I think the media are making up for being found out as left wing patsies.

Fixed
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November 1, 2009 9:29am
Pete George

English again on housing “I don’t think I did anything wrong but it wasn’t a good look I paid the allowance back and won’t claim it.”

Hide on travel ” I don’t think I did anything wrong and think I deserve it even though I am against the perk”.
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November 1, 2009 9:31am
dad4justice

Inventory2 that is great news about the Lochore Cup final, the dig was at Canterbury Town clubs not supporting junior rugby whereas country clubs get behind their young players without paying a senior team so they play. I love rugby and I am worried about Canterbury as there were more seagulls and still security guards than supporters at Lancaster Park for fridays night semi against the Magpies.
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November 1, 2009 9:32am
Inventory2

Fair enough dad – but in all honesty, who would want to go to a construction site on a cold Friday night near the end of a long season? AFAIC the best thing the NZRU could do would be to give SANZAR the upraised digit, and make our provincial competition the pinnacle again – too much of a good thing has taken its toll.
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November 1, 2009 9:41am
philu

national..the party of personal freedoms..eh..?

go and watch q.& a..and judith collins arguing for the raft of draconian powers they are bringing in.

even fucken paul holmes is using the words ‘police state’..

( ‘freeze..!..i’m from the pork board..!..”..)

and hey..!

hang yr fucken heads in shame..eh..?

this government is turning us ..by any definition..into a police state..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 1, 2009 9:53am
philu

and sue bradford both rocks and rolls as a political commentator..

and i look forward to her burgeoning role in the mainstream media..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 1, 2009 10:01am
philu

and are you all for this sweeping expansion of police + almost everyone with a clipboard-powers..?

dpf..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 1, 2009 10:03am
dad4justice

Another trifecta of dribble from the phool stoner.
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November 1, 2009 10:05am
thedavincimode

yep. the feathers are really flying now.
shiny bits all over the place.

screech!

phil(whoar.co.nz)

pluck… peck …
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November 1, 2009 10:07am
nickb

Thumbs up for you philu.
And ACT, the supposed freedom party, is conspicuous by its silence.. have to please the hang em high, David “Garotte” crowd.
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November 1, 2009 10:09am
nickb

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10606553

Sure, I think what Rodney did was stupid, but what is the point of this story? More dog whistling, making people think about the controversy, and then little personal jabs from the ex.

MSM really is rubbish. Where were they over the Greens’ super fund?..
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November 1, 2009 10:13am
Repton

Janine Cardno, media spokesperson for Destiny Church, said the church was not a cult.

CULT, n: an unpopular religion.

RELIGION, n: a popular cult.
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November 1, 2009 10:41am
nickb

http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/2009/11/01/guess-whos-back/

Oh dear, WO has really lost the plot….
Why has he let Cactus Kate back to his blog? 🙂
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November 1, 2009 10:57am
jims_whare

the bud was good last night eh phool……..keep it up sonshine…………legalise Cannabis party will be after you as Ag Minister when they take over in 2011
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November 1, 2009 11:07am
philu

also notable in q & a were the simpering/condescending laughs from both collins..(more than once)..and brash..

when questioned on these extraordinary extension/expansion of state-powers..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 1, 2009 11:25am
Razork

Check out the names of some of the races at the Manawatu trots today.

Race 1 Turbos Have Buckets Of Support Trot
Race 3 Green Power Is Sustainable Mobile Pace
Race 5 Turbos – Home Grown Not Poached Mobile Pace
Race 7 Air NZ Cup Needs Turbo’lence Mobile Pace
Race 9 Turbo Boost 2010 NPC Handicap Trot

Classic.
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November 1, 2009 12:27pm
wreck1080

I’m ashamed to live in New Zealand sometimes…our justice system is punishing innocent people.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10606614
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A heart bypass patient almost went to jail for defending himself with a golf club after he was punched in the face in his own yard.

Michael Glover, from the Western Bay of Plenty, says he hit his attacker with the club as he tried to fend off a bashing.

His attacker and his family had a history of verbally abusing him and there was a trepass order against him. But the man drove into Glover’s yard and punched him in the face, breaking his glasses and gouging his flesh.

“It took a chunk out of my face. That’s when I hit him,” Glover says. “But it didn’t stop him, he just kept coming. Then I really hit him and the golf club broke – that’s when I thought ‘shit, now I’ve had it’.

“I stabbed at him with the handle … I stabbed him in the stomach, there was blood everywhere, but that didn’t stop him. I stabbed him in the face, and that stopped him.
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I was thinking, there must be more to the story. The ‘patient’ must have provoked the situation. But no, this guy is completely innocent and only guilty of complaining about boy racer activities outside his home.

The cops must have decided to let the courts decide. That is a farcical attitude, the victim gets ground up and spat out by an inert justice system like a piece of meat, and is billed 8 grand for the privilege.

The victim has been punished for being innocent, thanks to the disgraceful decisions of the police authorities. And, this kind of thing is happening all the time now. Police have no discretion. Give me back the cops from 40 years back.
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November 1, 2009 12:41pm
Viking2

yes they have, Johnkey says so. i.e. that is provided that you are smacking your kids.
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November 1, 2009 12:59pm
BlackMoss

I wish to make an apology for a remark I made on Friday. As part of a comment on Laws I suggested that maybe the top 10% of NZ’s richest should be sterilized and that might make the country a nicer place. The comment was made in the heat of argument and partly in jest but I now realize it to be a bigoted and hateful statement, and moreover unhelpful in terms of constructive debate. I no longer stand by this suggestion.
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November 1, 2009 1:08pm
side show bob

Wreck, where was the public and media support for this bloke. If the same thing had of happened around here, the court house would be full of supporters and the judge would have felt the wrath had he tried the same shit here. And I suspect our local media would leave no doubt how this issue should have gone down. And why the hell did he pay 8 grand, the useless judge should have sorted this.
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November 1, 2009 1:10pm
Johnboy

That will teach the silly bugger for being a bloody golfer he should have taken up hunting instead. A twelve gauge beats a nine iron anytime.
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November 1, 2009 1:16pm
Redbaiter

Sarah Palin’s drive to fix the Republican Party has seen their favoured candidate withdraw from the New York 23rd election leaving it as a race between the Democrat candidate and Doug Hoffman, a Conservative Party candidate.

In freedom’s name, the Republican Party establishment, firmly in the grip of the Progressives, must be defeated.

Congratulations to Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann and Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh for pulling this off. Now the enemy within has been defeated, there’s scope to defeat the Democrats.

For more background on this see here.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/take_back_the_party_ASPo06GnWtIO2Wsstyd3NM/1

For the left’s frothing hate filled reaction to Palin’s victory see here-

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/opinion/01rich.html?_r=1

..and I’m surprised as hell not to see any comment on this momentous event from Mr. Farrar.
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November 1, 2009 1:25pm
Hurf Durf

Shit, phool, calm down. Have another speedball. It’ll be alright in the end.
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November 1, 2009 2:56pm
philu

another ‘witticism’ from hurf..

we are so lucky..!

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 1, 2009 3:04pm
jabba

I think Sue (Einstein) Bradford suggested that the Nats are Fascists on Q&A .. maybe she took Chris Carters Mussolini comment to heart.
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November 1, 2009 4:37pm
Pete George

Congratulations to Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann and Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh for pulling this off.

Doesn’t matter about democracy, does it? As long as the national radicals get their way and force out any moderate candidates that have been selected locally.

The moderate Republican nominee for a vacant U.S. House seat here unexpectedly withdrew from the race Saturday, bowing to a revolt led by conservative activists that badly split the national GOP leadership and is likely to influence the shape of the party heading into next year’s midterm elections.

For weeks, conservatives had assailed Scozzafava, the handpicked candidate of local party leaders

For the rebounding party, however, the grass-roots discontent comes with risks.

“Because of what’s happened, we’re going to have some mischief-making, which is not positive for a party that needs to really focus on other fundamentals in order to make a comeback,” Republican strategist John Weaver said.

The remaining GOP candidate Hoffman doesn’t even live in the elctorate.
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November 1, 2009 4:42pm
Hurf Durf

“Moderate”? You looked into her record, instead of listening to the likes of Katie Couric? She’s more left-wing than Owens.

“Badly split,” not really. The only person who backed her to the very end was Gingrich – the man who picked her.
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November 1, 2009 4:47pm
Pete George

the man who picked her.

Not so.

The local Republican leadership tapped state Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava to run in the special election. She enjoyed the backing of the national party and, among others, former House speaker Newt Gingrich.

Conservatives rebelled. To grass-roots activists and some prominent party officials, Scozzafava’s brand of moderate politics was an offense to GOP principles. Quickly they began to coalesce around Doug Hoffman, a Republican running as the Conservative Party candidate.

“Tea party” activists took up the cause for Hoffman. Prominent conservative radio talkers backed him, as did a host of grass-roots-oriented conservative organizations.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/31/AR2009103101287.html?hpid=topnews

Basically outsiders pushed in an outside candidate and trashed the candidate selected and backed by normal party procedures.
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November 1, 2009 4:52pm
starboard

when questioned on these extraordinary extension/expansion of state-powers..

Ive got nothing to fear whore…but you on the other hand will feel the screws begin to tighten…hell you may just get a knock on the front door from someone in authority wanting to know what you do all day/why you arent out working/why you can spend all day on the computer writing shite..the boys in blue will seek out your stash of mind-numbing illegal substances..because they will have the power to….oh your days are numbered oh tired one…
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November 1, 2009 5:15pm
Redbaiter

“Basically outsiders pushed in an outside candidate and trashed the candidate selected and backed by normal party procedures.”

Basically, the compromisers and yellow backs and progressives who have held power in the Republican Party for far too long got their fat useless arses kicked by Palin’s group, and its going to keep on happening until the party returns to its Conservative roots. Your time is coming to an end Mr. George. Live with it.
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November 1, 2009 5:15pm
thedavincimode

Just heard on the news that plans were announced on Q&A this morning to tighten up on welfare.

Something about getting solo parents back to work. Did anyone catch the gist of this?

Phil, seems that you were watching this morning. Are you able to help with some of the detail?

Thanks mate.
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November 1, 2009 5:16pm
mike tan

The cognitive function (lack of) of cyclists is alarming, why the fuck dont these retarded monkeys just pull over and let the cars pass?

The other day these 2 buggers cycling are causing mayhem as everyone is trying to change lanes to leverage around them

They are travelling in the middle of the road, not even barely attempting to keep left, and noone is goin to risk a murder/manslaughter trying to pass them whilst staying in the same lane

They are travelling so slow that we are all pretty much idling behind them

We come to the lights, myself and all the other motorists are so pissed off that we pull to the left, cutting off their ability to pass us on the left while we wait for the light, in the hopes that these retards will realise that they should stay behind us where they wont hold everyone up!

What do these morons do? They ride straight up the middle and into the front of the pack again, using the few braincells they have left to pull a “what the fuck did you do that for?” face as they ride past

The only postive thing about these morons are that they are voluntarily increasing their chances of removing themselves from the gene pool
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November 1, 2009 5:19pm
thedavincimode

Mike Tan

No doubt they took the opportunity to lean on your car whilst at the lights, rather than dismount.
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November 1, 2009 5:28pm
Pete George

Your time is coming to an end Mr. George.

I don’t live in the US so it doesn’t really affect me. It’s interesting to see what some people are prepared to do against the normal democratic process to try and force their own radicalism through though. They may get away with it in some elections, but it is as likely to backfire in others.

Funny thing – the right in the US tried wedge politics attempting to stay in power permanently and failed. Now they are trying wedge politics within their own party. It probably won’t take long for it to piss off the independents and floating voters that decide most elections.

If they succeed it will make more of a mess of a stuffed up political system.

Fortunately there is little chance of it happening here. It would be like Redbaiter and Michael Laws trying to force their own political agenda on the National Party.
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November 1, 2009 5:31pm
Redbaiter

“I don’t live in the US so it doesn’t really affect me.”

Yes it does affect you buddy, for it won’t be long until the same political sentiment gets to NZ, and the time when commie arseholoes told opposition parties who they should pick and who they should elect will be over here just likes it going to be over in the states. You had a good fourty years, but you’re done now, and you will be for a long long time.

“It would be like Redbaiter and Michael Laws trying to force their own political agenda on the National Party.”

Just don’t get it do you Pete? Laws is just another Progressive trying to jump on the publicity bandwagon. You have nothing to fear from him. The guys you should be fearful of don’t wear eye shadow.
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November 1, 2009 5:37pm
Hurf Durf

You mean the independents that are mostly breaking for Hoffman in NY-23? Still razon-thin at the moment in total though, I admit.

And lol @ WaPo, the same newspaper that tried to sink McDonnell’s campaign by whining about his 20 year old thesis. GG WaPo.
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November 1, 2009 5:39pm
Pete George

Who should I be fearful of RB? You? And your army? You will have to either hope that someone emerges to do it for you or you will have to make yourself known and do it yourself. At least Beck and Limbaugh and Palin do it openly under their own names.

NZ is a lot different to the US, no sign of the same attempted self destruction taking place here apart from a few wishful thinkers roaming the blogs anonymously.
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November 1, 2009 5:42pm
Pete George

It’s interesting to see how things will pan out in NY23 – it is known as moderate Republican territory, but they have been favourable to Obama.

It’s not quite so clear how Hoffman stands to benefit from this. Although a majority of Scozzafava’s supporters are Republican (about 62 percent, by my reckoning), it is safe to assume that they are mostly rather moderate Republicans, because almost all the conservative Republicans had already gone over to Hoffman. To wit, two-thirds of Scozzafava’s supporters say they like Barack Obama. While moderate Republicans are an endangered species elsewhere in the country, that is not true in upstate New York, where a lot of voters are registered as Republicans and vote that way in statewide races but often vote Democratic in federal races. (NY-23 supported Barack Obama 52-47 last November.)

The reality is that a lot of Scozzafava’s ex-supporters, many of whom don’t like either Hoffman or Owens, simply won’t vote.

If I had to guess, I’d think that of Scozzafava’s support, one-quarter of people don’t vote, one-quarter vote for Scozzafava anyway, 30 percent defect to Hoffman and 20 percent defect to Owens. Extrapolating from the morning’s Siena poll, that would produce a result of Hoffman 43, Owens 42, Scozzafava 5, with 10 percent of the voters still up for grabs.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com
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November 1, 2009 5:52pm
Johnboy

Congratulations Pete George. You are a legend. 🙂
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November 1, 2009 5:54pm
Viking2

National sets sights on welfare
NZPA
Last updated 17:01 01/11/2009

Welfare reform is in the government’s sights again.

Finance Minister Bill English said today that as the recession eased, the planned reform the Government put on hold when the severe downturn hit would begin.

Several measures in National’s welfare policy were delayed after it won the election a year ago because of steeply growing unemployment.

However, Mr English today said policy work was increasing again and invalid payments would be included.

National’s welfare policy announced in August last year included:

* Introducing more frequent assessments for sickness beneficiaries

* Forcing long-term unemployed (those with more than one year on the dole) to find work

* Requiring solo parents to seek part-time work once their youngest child is six.

On the carrot side National said it would increase the amount of money beneficiaries could earn – from $80 to $100 – without losing any of their benefit.

It would also relax the abatement regime for beneficiaries with a part-time job – current beneficiaries lose 70c in every dollar they earn over $80 a week.

National would raise that to $100 to encourage beneficiaries to work.

“We made a number of undertakings before the election,” Mr English said on TVNZ political show Question and Answer this morning.

“… and I’m working through material now with (Social Development and Employment Minister) Paula Bennett to take to Cabinet to put in place the promises we made.”

On September 30 85,015 people received invalid benefits and 56,384 sickness benefits.

Mr English said the invalid group was being looked at.

“Effectively we have 80,000 people where officially the welfare system has said they won’t work again. We think that’s a waste of those people and of their potential so we want to look at how to encourage more people off those longer term benefits.”

Mr England said unemployment forecasts might be better than predicted, likely 7 percent rather than 8 percent. The rate was 6 percent now.

“… in the last month the number of people on the dole has actually dropped by about 200 a week.”

Economic growth was forecast to be 2 percent until the middle of next year, then 3 percent growing to 4 percent.

“One thing we do know though is that in the last six months the economy has done a bit better than we expected six months ago, and that’s a good base to start from.”
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November 1, 2009 5:59pm
Inventory2

Indeed Viking – I daresay that there is blind panic in the Ure household this evening as Phillip Ure faces the realisation that his days of being a non-productive member of society are soon to end. Not a moment too soon IMHO, not a moment too soon.
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November 1, 2009 6:12pm
thedavincimode

Inventory2

Why do pick on him like this?

Phil

Frankly, I think that children are our future. They need a nurturing environment and a positive role model. That’s you Phil. You just give so much of yourself. You should get a medal for being a custodian of a part of our future.

But I did note that this appears to be directed at solo MUMS, and getting them BACK into work.

For the moment, it seems that at least the Governemnt appreciates your contribution.

Peace and love etc ..
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November 1, 2009 7:06pm
Inventory2

davinci – have you been getting in to Phil’s stash – all the loooooove 🙂
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November 1, 2009 7:11pm
Johnboy

“National would raise that to $100 to encourage beneficiaries to work.”

No wonder poor Phool is in panic mode. Where the hell will he find anyone prepared to pay him $100??
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November 1, 2009 7:12pm
side show bob

IV2, think thedavinci is on mushrooms or loves taking the piss anyhow it’s all good news. I’m sure the Ures are packing, their pants, lol lol lol lol …………oops fell off the chair again. I have always suspected our Phil is on a special needs benefit, surely a physical fit individual would be forced to seek a job after so many years? Shit I would spend good money to give the guy a job, I suspect his ring gear would drop out in the first day but I’m sure he would leave here with new found respect. Ah I shall go to my bed tonight and dream sweet dreams of jaffas working and cows shitting on their heads.
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November 1, 2009 7:53pm
Viking2

No need to worry guys. This pathetic lot who call themselves Govt. just won’t do anything worthwhile. There will be new rules with the same old loopholes or others that will look like barn doors. Fiddling while Wellington falls.
Currently they are thinking in the same mode as Shipley and Richardson. Screw the beneficiaries its all their fault. Born to rule pricks. Must be a South Island thing.

Time they reorganized the tax. Gave us all our tax cuts and lower the rates and set up the tax free first 20k. Bob Jones made the point in about 1978 that anyone earning less than 10k can’t afford to pay tax anyway. Well30 years on that should be minimum 20k.
Raise the GST threshold. Barely changed in 20+ years. Make the start 100k and get rid of the paper work for SME’s.
Shit not that hard to do.
Beneficiaries will exist as long as this country operates on a control freak socialist mentality. Nothing has changed in this year in fact its seems to me its has deteriorated in that respect.

Anyway why can’t we have a tax deed that stops the Govt. from stealing from us at will? WhyWhy
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November 1, 2009 8:17pm
Steve

Viking2,
The Politicians will steal, they don’t want to work, they just tax, pay themselves and spread the leftovers to the disfuctionals.
The real workers/earners get nothing. You have to produce something and sell it to make money, the tax on that just keeps leeches fed
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November 1, 2009 8:45pm
Pete George

An indication that not everything is going one way in the US, it’s looking likely that a moderate Republican will pick up the Virginia governorship.

McDonnell has managed to woo back some Republicans who were turned off by the party over the past eight years. Moderate and liberal Republicans are more apt to back McDonnell than the Republicans who ran for governor in 2001 or 2005, according to polls.
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November 1, 2009 9:16pm
Redbaiter

Anyone who values freedom should be in their hearts in New York’s 23rd District this week.
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November 1, 2009 9:24pm
Pete George

The freedom to have a bunch of outsiders with no electorate mandate or responsibilities impose their candidate on a district that has nothing to do with them?
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November 1, 2009 9:35pm
Inventory2

Anyone seen Phil Ure this evening? I hope that he’s ok after the shock he must have got if he watched One News tonight …

http://tvnz.co.nz/q-and-a-news/english-tweak-benefits-3105168
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November 1, 2009 9:53pm
getstaffed

Form stuff:

Charges unclear in Horror Crash
A decision on whether the teenage girl driving the van which crashed in Hawke’s Bay killing two teenagers will face charges will take several weeks, police say.

I’d understand if there was some delay in choosing the most appropriate charges… but this suggests there’s doubt about whether or not there will be any at all. How can this be?
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November 1, 2009 10:18pm
mike tan

If anyone wants a good laugh, i suggest you read over this thread:

http://nz.messages.yahoo.com/nz-news/nz-election/100892?p=1

Its a thread about Comrade Bradford, hilariously one of our own impersonates her (terribly), in an attempt to inject some humor into the debate (im using the term loosely). Anyway, the gullible, sheep minded lefties step out of the woodwork to display their ignorance. Im referring to the posts where these “people” actually believe that it is infact Comrade Bradford, evidenced by their messages to the imposter (addressed in a personal manner).
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November 1, 2009 10:24pm
mike tan

some gems:

“Sue darling,

As an experienced politician, I would have thought you would know that to apologise to anyone on the MBs is a sign of weakness….

C`mon, you have more balls than that & the quality of your opponents past, would have been stronger than any on here:)

Dont belittle yourself so late in your fabulous career.LOL”

“sue bradford mp
thank you for having the divine courage to post on this sight and may your personal always be private something we have forgotten in our so called modern society.
thank you for you goood work and thank you especially the right not to spank children. we gave the cane away and the right to beat our wives and they were blessings. may your life be fruitful and above all all yours.”

The right not to spank children? Seriously?

Right after the imposters first post:

“See

I told you all Sue was awesome

Dont go Sue
the country needs you”
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November 1, 2009 10:28pm
starboard

Screw the beneficiaries its all their fault.

..sorry ? when was that said..I must of missed that statement…please elaborate
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November 2, 2009 7:31am
philu

tan..are you that ‘greenie’ who ‘saw the greed-light’..

and rushed to join the ‘troughing twins’ in act..?

if so..you are far from being a class act..eh..?

in fact..you seem to be incredibly childish/petulant..

“i don’t like you anymore!’..he sobbed in the playground..

there there..!..l’l mikey..!

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 2, 2009 7:58am
big bruv

While any attack on bludgers is a good thing I cannot help but feel that the so called “crack down” is nothing more than a diversion.

The Nat’s have done nothing so far that would suggest they are serious about getting stuck into the thieving bastards.

Nope, this is all designed to take our eyes off the bigger issue that is going to raise it’s ugly head this week.

Neville Key is going to hand over the seabed and foreshore to the Apartheid party, those of you who look forward to your two weeks at the beach every year had better get used to the idea of paying for that privilege or at the very least having to go on bended knee to some local “elder” and ask permission.

But hey, just as long as Neville stays in power.
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November 2, 2009 8:05am
starboard

you up early whore…did ya shit the bed again..
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November 2, 2009 8:06am
Luc Hansen

big bruv said Neville Key is going to hand over the seabed and foreshore to the Apartheid party, those of you who look forward to your two weeks at the beach every year had better get used to the idea of paying for that privilege or at the very least having to go on bended knee to some local “elder” and ask permission.

We have yet to say what they intend to replace the Act with, but it’s important to remember why the Bill was passed: the Court of Appeal (from memory) judgment was purely to say that Maori are entitled to pursue their customary rights through the courts. In passing, it also expressed little hope of success.

So the first consideration is this: was the government right to remove Maori rights to access our law courts, particularly when that right is enshrined in the Treaty of Waitangi? Surely those who love freedom and extol the virtues of open justice would look askance at this arbitrary removal of legal rights?

Not that it’s anything new? 🙂
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November 2, 2009 8:56am
Luc Hansen

“Screw the beneficiaries…”

Yes indeed, I think you will find quite a bit of that is going on anyway!
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