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Elijah Lineberry

This “cock something up, get found out and apologise” routine which politicians engage in is pathetic.

If I were Harawira or Hide I would tell the NZ public to grow up and ‘get over themselves’ and refuse to apologise; they should stand by their actions and comments like men: “never complain, never explain” …(not acting like wussy girly-men)

Can anyone imagine Muldoon apologising for anything?

http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com
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November 10, 2009 12:50pm
burt

Cadmus is back… Winston Peters has returned from Raro….. Awesome, the secret trust and policies for cash man is blogging again.
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November 10, 2009 12:50pm
Cadmus

Brian Smaller said..”You moan about my comments then think I would have a bar of Islamism?” Maybe!

But many in early 1930’s Germany thought Adolf Hitler was a crackpot. Of course by the time the war started everyone one was in fancy dress and sieg hieling about the place, thinking Hitler was the saviour of the world! When Islam Fundamentalism does become the fashion of the West, I can see many of the christian “Born Again Brigade joining up with Islam. Saying in the end, well we believe in god thats all that matters! yer tell me about it! How many so called “Christains” of the West are out one the Battlefield of the Middle East? Oh I forgot they are waiting for someone else to fight that fight for them! Just keep the tidings coming and all will be OK?
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November 10, 2009 12:52pm
Repton

@Jack5:

While an ex-Stalinist activist like Keith Locke trumpets for NZ to take Asian would-be illegal migrants to Australia, he ignores the plight of modern slaves.

Labour put up a bill recently to prohibit imports made by slave labour. The Greens voted for it. National and ACT did not..
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November 10, 2009 12:57pm
burt

Ok I take it back after reading that post from Cadmus. That comment made sense and wasn’t all about Cadmus so it can’t be Winston.

The Vella family will be gutted that they can’t buy another tax cut this year – poor Winston….
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November 10, 2009 12:58pm
Cadmus

Adolf Fiinkensein , He’s still here! another so called expert on the American Health System? Wonders will never cease!
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November 10, 2009 1:03pm
burt

OK I take my ‘take it back’ back – Cadmus is still full of himself and as useful as a chocolate teapot. Cadmus is Winston.
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November 10, 2009 1:07pm
malcolm

Brian, no point getting a scaled-down life-style block tractor. For the same money you could get a good used 50-60hp job (Kubota or Massey for e.g) which will do anything you want and will outlast you. Plus you’ll have usable power from the PTO (e.g. for rotary hoe).

Good luck with the farm!
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November 10, 2009 1:17pm
MikeNZ

Brian
Can I come help eat Him?
We’ll bring the beer and wine.
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November 10, 2009 1:17pm
malcolm

Perhaps a tidy example of the venerable Massey Ferguson 135.

Marvellous machine!
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November 10, 2009 1:20pm
Brian Smaller

Brian
Can I come help eat Him?
We’ll bring the beer and wine.

As long as the beer and wine are are haram (as opposed to halal), I am for it.

Brian, no point getting a scaled-down life-style block tractor. For the same money you could get a good used 50-60hp job (Kubota or Massey for e.g) which will do anything you want and will outlast you. Plus you’ll have usable power from the PTO (e.g. for rotary hoe).

I will wait and see exactly what I get. Don’t have a lot of acerage but it is good dirt. Grew up on a farm when I was young but this is new for me. Moving in December.
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November 10, 2009 1:26pm
Cadmus

Burt is another expert that tops the polls as a poster!…. having little to do in life but hang out here …3571 posts Burt, Wow! Burt also believes he’s an expert on the US Health System! So with Brash out Hide found out as a trougher. The place is still running without the need of too much oil. You are lucky we didn’t get Brash/Hide in Burt the waiting lists would be twice as long, with Hospital wards filled with NZ war casualties. No doubt I could hear the squark of the muppet Hide ..Troops to fight the war on terror, Free Trade agreement with US. Tax Cut, Party Vote ACT!
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November 10, 2009 1:28pm
MikeNZ

Cadmus
I can understand your animus towards Churchianity, I share some of it with you too.
You’ve obviously read some of the NT or at least the bits about the falling away but have you read the Koran?

It is a book of war and conquest and hasn’t the delicate prose or introspection of the human condition you find in the OT & NT.
Sharia law which is the embodiment of life accepts only two classes of persons, Muslim (the umma) and the subjugated non-Muslims (Dhimmi).
What do you think you will be?

I ask this as you posit the taking over of NZ by Islam at some time as a possibility which would mean all on this thread would face that choice and I’m interested in your position, assuming you’re not going to run.
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November 10, 2009 1:29pm
MikeNZ

Brian
Name your favoured Beers and I’ll bring some good Chardonnay and Gewürztraminer.
If you BarBQ him I’ll happily cook up some side dishes (while we quaff) to complement whatever you do.
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November 10, 2009 1:34pm
Pete George

“Sharia law which is the embodiment of life accepts only two classes of persons, Muslim (the umma) and the subjugated non-Muslims (Dhimmi).”

How different is this to Christians (the chosen ones now, then die and have everlasting life) to con-compliers (looked down on now, then die and go straight to hell)? Each brand of Christianity seems to have it’s own sense of truth, raised importance and position in the scheme of things.
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November 10, 2009 1:40pm
Brian Smaller

MIkeNZ – I will bear that in mind. I have to buy and grow Mohammed to eating size yet 🙂 As an aside, I told my daughter that while it is not traditional to name animals you are going to eat (she wants to call a pig Sir Oinkalot) in Mohammed’s case, I’ll make an exception.
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November 10, 2009 1:42pm
Brian Smaller

How different is this to Christians (the chosen ones now, then die and have everlasting life) to con-compliers (looked down on now, then die and go straight to hell)?

The difference is that the Christians nowadays don’t actively take measures to put you into the dead and go to hell category, whereas Islam is doing a fine job of that in all the places where they hold sway.
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November 10, 2009 1:44pm
Pete George

I agree that probably more Muslims than Christians are actively hastening the “going to hell” these days, but minorities of both still do it, or try to do it.
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November 10, 2009 1:56pm
Cadmus

Mike NZ

No, Not just NZ!, the entire Western World.

Have you read the Koran or are you going by what the Pastor told you???

If you “have” read the Koran, what Koran were you reading?

So I take it your believe the Koran is the Book of the Devil?

Have you spoke to a Muslum about their faith ?

Here is the theory as explained to me. Not the story you and your family are being scared by from “Pastor Pete”

OT, NT, Koran, All believe in Creation, Adam, EVe, Moses,The Ark, Jesus, Virgin Mary. and lots of other things.
Christianity blew it by power and money ! So lets get back to basics was the theory. A simple living shepard boy Mohummad was past the way to live life by God 500 or so yrs later. What your getting is the correct way to live life, via the word of god, the Koran.
You will find in someways the Koran have more in Common with the OT than any other writings. BTW..I’m not a follower of Islam or the Koran!

And …Run away… Where to?
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November 10, 2009 1:57pm
MikeNZ

Brian
I cooked a whole sheep in a pit once (I’d made after reading a blokes cookbook with a hangi story in it, it was really an underground brick oven), it was fantastic stuffed with rice, lemons and herbs. We fed 40 odd people and the meat just came off the bone.
There’s nothing better than a roast with good company and some grog 🙂

I used to get baby piglets off of a piggery in Ottery (Cape Town) years ago for Braais, they would feed 15 odd people and we would have a great time sitting round the pool administering to them :-), drinking and playing pool games with the kids.
Possibly one of the few things I miss of South Africa, being able to invite people round for a BarBQ and know the weather would be fit for it!

Pete
Did you read anything I wrote earlier?
Sorry mate but duh! Are you’re letting your experience cloud the flow man???
A Christian shouldn’t treat anyone different because of who they are, Wilberforce didn’t as an example.
You obviously missed that bit of the NT. The writer Paul was very very clear on that point.
That some don’t behave like that means they are not abiding by the universal maxim that all are of equal worth.
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November 10, 2009 1:59pm
MikeNZ

Cadmus
Some parts of the Koran is OT verbatim almost.
I used to own a Koran but threw it out a while back as it’s all online as are the Hadiths (they are like the Christian commentaries and prayer books).
I have read the Koran since 1993 and have dipped into all of the five core Hadiths online (and on paper) as I initially wanted to see what the Judmentalists 🙂 of both sides were saying.

I don’t read or speak Arabic and my use of Babelfish is useless for the task.
If you’re going to go down the piss take and emotional painting words path then this conversation ends.
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November 10, 2009 2:07pm
MikeNZ

100 tons of rice for the orphans!
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2009-11/06/content_8924630.htm
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November 10, 2009 2:17pm
Nomestradamus

Cadmus:

Burt is another expert that tops the polls as a poster!…. having little to do in life but hang out here …3571 posts Burt, Wow!

So, Cadmus, what do you say about Philu – currently sitting on 6685 comments? If Burt has “little to do in life” – what does that comment tally say about Philu’s life?

Incidentally, there’s a technical distinction in the blogging world between “posts” and “comments”.
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November 10, 2009 2:25pm
Pete George

Mike, I read what you said about Paul. But I don’t think all Christians read that, or if they do they choose to ignore it. The message I often see and hear is “be like us to be equal with us”. I even see that between different groups of Christians “we are the ones that have got it right so we are the ones who will go to heaven”.
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November 10, 2009 2:30pm
Jack5

Re Joe90’s question to me in his 11.48 post.

No, they are not my type of Christians, Joe. However, there is no denying the huge influence on Christianity on Western Civilisation, and overwhelmingly for the good.

You seem to be with Gibbon in thinking Christianity undermines Western civilisation, but the role of Christianity in the abolition of slavery gives the lie to this. (Apart from the inhumanity, slave labour produced weak economies, as the Confederates and Brazilians found. Slavery inhibits mechanisation and the drive for productivity. Incidentally, so does dirt cheap labour as NZ will find from the thousands of Islanders now coming annually to pick our grapes and fruit).

You can see the benefits of Christianity to our society when you look at who stands against booze barons and drug lords, and who ran campaigns against child labour and for women’s rights, still denied in many Muslim countries. In NZ, who runs the op. shops and food banks? I think it was a Presbyterian minister who stood up for the Chinese when they were treated appallingly on the Otago goldfields. For every aberration you cite, you can find scores of cases of admirable Christian behaviour.

There will always be flaws in a religion, but as humans we may be hard-wired to need religious belief. Better have a chiefly good religion like Christianity rather than voodoo with human sacrifices. When Christianity goes, often Marxism or fascism or some other “ism” replaces it, or a semi-Christian barbarism arises as in the African cases you cite, Joe.

You can hold against Christianity the pogroms of the Crusades and the witch hunts as churches persecuted remnants of the previous nativist religion, but such bizarre, cruel events also occur outside Christianity. Consider the Christchurch creche hysteria and injustice, still unresolved. Christianity didn’t drive that.
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November 10, 2009 2:47pm
burt

Cadmus

Yes that’s right, I have nothing better to do than comment here all day and do you know why that is ?

It’s because I’ve nothing to do now that I can’t find any politicians to who will do policies for cash deals. Without a corrupt self serving muppet in parliament I can’t donate $100k to a secret trust and get tax policy changes that make me millions – come back Cadmus, my revenue flow misses you and the helicopter is always available your when you need it to big note yourself around you 2 or 3 remaining senile supporters.

BTW; have you been pissed up in a backbencher lately? The urinals have a bigger sign on them now which should make it easier to distinguish them from the fireplaces.
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November 10, 2009 3:07pm
Chthoniid

Trying to understand modern Islamic societies via the Quran is like trying to understand the modern Papacy via the Bible. It’s impossible when you avoid the meetings, councils, religious discussions and evolution of doctrine.

The NT was quite clear that Christians couldn’t serve in the army and kill others. The doctrine of a just war wasn’t spelled out in the Bible. That came later.

Similarly, many Sunni sects became increasingly moderate- as doctrine had to be justified with reference to the interpretation of the community. Wahibists get around this by narrowly defining who in the community can interpret this, but this sect is very much a medieval throwback. Once Muslim communities get a bit of education and economic power, they tend to moderate quickly. It’s no surprise that it is the dark, poor corners of the Muslim world where fanaticism has the deepest hold.
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November 10, 2009 3:30pm
Jack5

The wahhabists, who were active in South Asia even in Kipling’s day, may be creating hell in poor corners of the Muslim world Chthoniid (3.30) but a lot of the finance for them apparently comes from rich Saudi Arabia.
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November 10, 2009 3:34pm
Ryan Sproull

Well said, Cthnoniid.
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November 10, 2009 3:36pm
Chthoniid

Saudi Arabia is the Wahibist state in the NE however, and its wealth hasn’t developed out of an emergent, educated middle class. Not exactly in the same position as say, Malaysia..
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November 10, 2009 3:46pm
Kris K

Pete George 2:30 pm,

Mike, I read what you said about Paul. But I don’t think all Christians read that, or if they do they choose to ignore it. The message I often see and hear is “be like us to be equal with us”. I even see that between different groups of Christians “we are the ones that have got it right so we are the ones who will go to heaven”.

I think you sometimes misinterpret the intentions of even Biblically sound Christians, Pete.
‘We’ don’t want you, or anyone else for that matter, to “be like us” simply so that you become a card carrying member of our ‘club’. Most Biblical Christians simply espouse what the Bible says in regards to obtaining salvation. And reflect that while God is a God of love, He is also a God of justice; perfect love requires perfect justice. Our motives, if sound, spring from a desire that as many as possible would repent of their sins and receive Christ as their Lord and Saviour. Not so that you increase ‘our’ number, but so that you might be spared from the consequences of NOT receiving Christ; thereby having to suffer for your sins personally rather than allowing Christ to suffer in your sted.

No one is born a Christian; we become a Christian upon receiving Christ.
One of my motives in sharing God’s love as revealed in the gospel of Christ, is firstly an expression of my love and graditude to God for saving me, and is secondly an expression of my love for my fellow man in the knowledge of their eternal destiny if they DO NOT receive Christ.

Not being a Christian makes you no less valuable in God’s sight.
Christ died for the sins of ALL men; His love is extended to ALL.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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November 10, 2009 3:58pm
MikeNZ

Pete
you are correct in that is what some do but that is them not the underlying value.
Judge them by all means not the value/body.
I get embarrassed at Tamaki and others but they are not Christianity nor God 😉

You’ll find that the NT also calls those who profess to follow Him to judge them selves to see if they are in the faith.
That would mean that allegience of heart and therefore a lifestyle of moving towards Their God.
It is a journey.
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November 10, 2009 4:01pm
billyborker

Kris K – Not being a Christian makes you no less valuable in God’s sight.
Christ died for the sins of ALL men; His love is extended to ALL.

So why will god burn me in hell if you’re right and I’m wrong?

Will he use the Clayton Weatherstone defence?
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November 10, 2009 4:08pm
MikeNZ

Chthoniid
“Trying to understand modern Islamic societies via the Quran is like trying to understand the modern Papacy via the Bible. It’s impossible when you avoid the meetings, councils, religious discussions and evolution of doctrine.
The NT was quite clear that Christians couldn’t serve in the army and kill others. The doctrine of a just war wasn’t spelled out in the Bible. That came later.”

You raise a hoary issue and I would ask for clarification from you.
In what way is the modern papacy different from the old papacy in that it appears to be a separate religion/sect from NT Christianity and many of it’s core practices reflect values and heart positions that contradict the NT still today as centuries ago?

Where in the NT does Jesus or Paul state you shouldn’t be in the army?
Jesus never said such to the centurion rather he commended his faith to others, of all the times/places in the NT there is the perfect place to put such a thing, why is it not there?

In another place after His resurrection he asked the disciples how many swords they had, He never said do not use them did He?

As for just war, it wasn’t was it, can you imagine Joshua’s take on that?
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November 10, 2009 4:17pm
Kris K

billyborker 4:08 pm,

Kris K – Not being a Christian makes you no less valuable in God’s sight.
Christ died for the sins of ALL men; His love is extended to ALL.

So why will god burn me in hell if you’re right and I’m wrong?

Ultimately, Billy, we all choose our own destiny.
God makes the offer – you either accept or reject it.
Your decision determines your final destination – it really is that simple.
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November 10, 2009 4:22pm
Pete George

I have hope that, as Chthoniid suggests, the numbers who use religion badly whether they be Christians in Kenya or Muslims in Somalia or Afghanistan will reduce with better education and quality of life. Putting them down is more likely to keep them down, encouraging them up won’t always work but it will help improvement.

I don’t have a problem with Christians (or others) using their religion to aspire to and work towards being better people, and to have better communities. But I’d like to see some acceptance from them that others can follow a similar path towards a better good without having to share the exact same beliefs, or even similar beliefs. Goodness and morality does not have to depend on one’s particular belief system.

Disagreeing on some particular points of morality needs to be accepted, sometimes you have to go with majority wishes and with laws.

Rubbishing and writing someone off because of their religious or non-religious beliefs or because of their political leanings seems to be common, and it can be very negative and destructive.

Shouldn’t we all learn to work in a similar direction with acceptable differences?
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November 10, 2009 4:23pm
billyborker

So Kris K, can you answer the question, or not? If god loves me and I don’t love him, why should I be punished? Will he slash me 300 times witha fruit knife before I burn in hell? Why can’t he just move on?
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November 10, 2009 4:32pm
MikeNZ

Pete
All you say has merit and from the point of view of being a physical person in this world, yes what you say makes sense.

Christianity has never been about being better citizens and never will be. It is not a religion of works.
That is the obscenity of the cross.
It is one reason Jesus is so hated, the cross makes status, education, wealth, Good works irrelevant.

What it is about your heart allegiance.
Where does it belong? towards Jesus or Yahweh through Jesus.?
I must be clear here not the AOG, Anglicans or Roman Catholic church but God Yahweh/Jesus.
That is why Christians are vilified all over the world, because ultimately it isn’t about being a good person but who is your heart given too. It is about Jesus.

That is the core of where your heart is in your message, if you are honest and look at your last comment and where it’s root is.
I make no judgment on you I just want you to be honest with me.
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November 10, 2009 4:41pm
philu

you rightwingers/free-marketeers are on a road to nowhere..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/polling-across-27-countriesshow-that-only-11-support-freemarket-capitalismthe-vast-majority-say-that-free-market-flawed/

“..Twenty years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, a new BBC poll has found widespread dissatisfaction with free-market capitalism.

In the global poll for the BBC World Service, only 11% of those questioned across 27 countries said that it was working well.

Most thought regulation and reform of the capitalist system were necessary.

There were also sharp divisions around the world on whether the end of the Soviet Union was a good thing.

In 1989, as the Berlin Wall fell, it was a victory for ordinary people across Eastern and Central Europe.

It also looked at the time like a crushing victory for free-market capitalism.

Twenty years on, this new global poll suggests confidence in free markets has taken heavy blows from the past 12 months of financial and economic crisis.

More than 29,000 people in 27 countries were questioned.

In only two countries, the United States and Pakistan, did more than one in five people feel that capitalism works well as it stands.

Almost a quarter – 23% of those who responded – feel it is fatally flawed.

That is the view of 43% in France, 38% in Mexico and 35% in Brazil.

And there is very strong support around the world for governments to distribute wealth more evenly.

That is backed by majorities in 22 of the 27 countries.

If there is one issue where a global consensus seems to emerge from the survey it is this:..

.. there are majorities almost everywhere wanting government to be more active in regulating business..”

(can you feel the winds of change..?..yet..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 10, 2009 4:43pm
MikeNZ

Billy
If you didn’t care in some place deep down in your heart you wouldn’t keep asking this. But you do, hence you keep bringing it up again and again.

That will be part of your hell as some place deep inside of you you know God exists and He cares for you and when there is absolutely no chance that you will be in His presence it will be too late.

and you will know it has been your choice.
Have you honestly read the NT and thought through who Jesus is/was/spoke about himself?
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November 10, 2009 4:51pm
Manolo

“And there is very strong support around the world for governments to distribute wealth more evenly. That is backed by majorities in 22 of the 27 countries.”

Words of wisdom coming from nothing less than a professional bludger, who must be having a quiet day to have the cheek to write tripe like that.
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November 10, 2009 4:56pm
philu

once again..manolo displays his complete ignorance of the role of the humble speechmark..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 10, 2009 5:01pm
Kris K

billyborker 4:32 pm,

So Kris K, can you answer the question, or not? If god loves me and I don’t love him, why should I be punished? Will he slash me 300 times witha fruit knife before I burn in hell? Why can’t he just move on?

Sigh.
If you hate God, and despise everything about Him, why SHOULD He permit you to be in His presence?

There are only two final locations you can be placed, Billy:
• The new heavens and earth – the new Creation – will only have in residence those who are God’s children; the heirs of salvation.
• Those who reject the offer of salvation are not able to reside in God’s presence; God cannot tolerate sin. The only place outside of God’s presence is the Lake of Fire – prepared for Satan and his fallen angels. This place was never intended for man, but by rejecting salvation this is the only place available which is outside of God’s presence.

There is no third option.
Your sin MUST be paid one way or another:
• You either pay for it yourself (in hell).
• Or you permit Christ to pay for your sins (on the cross).
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November 10, 2009 5:02pm
Pete George

I make no judgment on you I just want you to be honest with me.

Ok. I don’t believe in God or gods. I’ve had no indication that anything like that exists, and my “logic” suggests to me that most likely it/he/they don’t.

I understand I have grown up in a society with a strong Christian influence. I believe I share many of the positive attributes and morality of Christianity. I don’t believe positive Christian influences are confined to Christianity, there have been many good non-Christians and non-Christian societies.

I don’t see why I can’t be as good a person as anyone with religious beliefs while keeping my own non-religious beliefs.

I don’t see any point in trying to get everyone to follow the same beliefs, that will never happen.

I think religious (of different types) and non-religious people, and lefties and middlies and righties, and lighties and darkies, and poories and richies, and easties and westies, should all be trying to work with a common purpose towards a better good and accept that people will always be different and have different beliefs.
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November 10, 2009 5:03pm
MikeNZ

Pete, Thanks for the first sentence, it’s all that counts.
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November 10, 2009 5:07pm
philu

fuck k.k.k..!

you are really ‘barking’..eh..?

“..The only place outside of God’s presence is the Lake of Fire – prepared for Satan and his fallen angels..”

don’t you realise how you are denigrating the beliefs of many good christians..

by peddling these cartoonish fantasies..?

(hey..why don’t you and anfd that sth african who calls himself mikenz exchange email addresses..eh..?

and just go for it..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 10, 2009 5:16pm
Chthoniid

once again…Phool manages to demonstrate that he is a complete and absolute fuckwit.
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November 10, 2009 5:19pm
philu

gee..!..clintoiid..

..do you ever move beyond the raw ad hominem..?

..why don’t you try to critique some of the ideas under consideration..?

instead of just indicting/confirming yourself as one who is barely articulate..?

and you are a teacher..?..aren’t you..?

(fuck..!..is all i can say..boggles the mind..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 10, 2009 5:30pm
Kris K

Phool 5:16 pm,

If you don’t like what I write then you’re more than welcome to do what I do when confronted with your spam – spin that scroll wheel.

And everything I say I believe I can substantiate from God’s word.
If other Christians have a problem with what I say then they will no doubt hold me to task.
If you have a problem … well it’s your problem, and given your past anti Christian rants I feel no obligation in justifying myself to you in any way, shape, or form.

… and your opinion of what makes a “good Christian” would be seriously suspect, and bare little resemblance to that of the Biblical description.
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November 10, 2009 5:44pm
grumpyoldhori

There is nothing wrong with the free market when it is a free market without bloody bankers and politicians distorting it.
At least we in NZ no longer believe in the SMP game, it is a bloody pity that other countries do not follow us in trade.
Bankers should be there to supply the money needed not to game the system to put obscene amounts in their pockets.

It is a joke the number of countries who pay mouth service to free trade while handing over fat subsidies to what they call farmers, they are not farmers,the fuckers are on welfare.
Making a good living off twenty cows in Europe, bloody hell.
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November 10, 2009 5:48pm
Johnboy

Just dropped in to sing the magpie song but seems like billy and phil are forming an unholy alliance against the christians. Think I’ll fuck off till after dinner.
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November 10, 2009 6:23pm
dad4justice

Billy and phool are on the Satanic pay roll.
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November 10, 2009 6:29pm
Steve

Sing the magpie song? Oh yeah.
About 7.30 there should be some doodles
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November 10, 2009 6:37pm
Banana Llama

So … Philu

Whats your take on Baxter Pharmaceutical if you have heard of them?
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November 10, 2009 6:43pm
burt

philu

We understand you have an opinion. You have voiced it, thank you. Now let the grown ups continue the discussion.
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November 10, 2009 6:53pm
LUCY

Im back. Need a bit of time to catch up on what is happening but then I will be firing on all cilinders Yahhhhhh
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November 10, 2009 6:58pm
philu

no..haven’t heard of them..

what have they done..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 10, 2009 7:09pm
philu

you were saying burt..?

(but i suspect..as usual..you have s.f.a..

eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 10, 2009 7:13pm
burt

philu

You just cut-n-paste bits and pieces that any google search could find and then slag people off when they don’t agree with your idol de-jour. What more is there to say than – thank you, now let some others express their own opinions and their own analysis because until they do (write it down on a blog) I can’t find it in google searches to be a prat like you.
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November 10, 2009 7:16pm
Banana Llama

Nothing Philu just some weird shit in Ukraine i was hoping being a Greenie you would know more.
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November 10, 2009 7:20pm
Steve

LUCY@6.58pm

A Bradford (British Made) only has 2 cylinders. Firing on all means holding a spark plug to test each one.

Geeze I’m sorry but could not resist (no pun) that.
Putt putt putt putt
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November 10, 2009 7:23pm
Steve

2 in the front, 3 in the middle, 1 in the glovebox, and 4 in the back lol
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November 10, 2009 7:25pm
philu

we’re waiting burt..

c’mon..!

‘opinions/analysis’..?

we’re all on the edge of our seats..

but i suspect..

that as usual..

you will have sweet fuck all..

..eh..?

i mean..you’ve said zip in three and a half thousand comments to date..

eh..?

why spoil yr record..?

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 10, 2009 7:26pm
Steve

Quardle oodle ardle wadle doodle.
Phool the magpie said.
7.30, magpies should be counting the daily gatherings
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November 10, 2009 7:31pm
LUCY

Well Steve duh! Im not a mechanic but thank you so much for putting me straight on my cylinders. I am sooo chuffed!
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November 10, 2009 7:31pm
Pete George

# MikeNZ at 5:07 pm Thanks for the first sentence, it’s all that counts.

Why? Does that allow you to put me in a pigeonhole and nothing else I believe in matters? Or did you just want to know what angle I was coming from? I don’t get why that is all that counts, believer or not.
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November 10, 2009 7:32pm
Steve

LUCY,

horizontally opposed mechanical wise, bang in opposite directions

we stop here ok
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November 10, 2009 7:38pm
burt

philu

If you hadn’t noticed I was an observer of the religious discussions and have contributed absolutely nothing to it to date. You now demanding my analysis just proves you were not, and still are not, paying attention to the debate you seemed to be participating in.
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November 10, 2009 7:38pm
Steve

General Debate today seems to have turned into the religious forum.
Why don’t you devil dodgers and god botherers take it to a chat room?
One person mentions religion and away you go. FFS it is Tuesday and some have no work to do?
Public Servants, see you all at 9am sharp ok
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November 10, 2009 7:50pm
philu

silly me..!

there i was thinking you were saying you had something to say..burt..(save yr usual ad hominems..)

but no..

carry on..!

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 10, 2009 8:05pm
Johnboy

Quick. Hide phool here comes Paula with a probation officer and bloody hands bob with an employment contract.

Hours of work 4.00am till 9.00pm with a 30min break to eat your lunch (rare steak) and do your blogging.

Sundays off to go to church and cook some homebake.

Quardle ardle wardle doodle—–phil the magpies phucked.

Johnboy(sheep.walton.co.nz)

(Gunning down magpies since 1993).———-eh?
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November 10, 2009 8:23pm
Hurf Durf

Made me lol that Hussein referred the fall of the Berlin Wall back to HIM, as though he’s the centre of the Universe (though he likes to think that he is).

Maybe we should have renamed it the Obama Wall, that way he would have gone to Germany for the celebrations.
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November 10, 2009 8:56pm
Chthoniid

..do you ever move beyond the raw ad hominem..?

You really are quite slow on the uptake.

..why don’t you try to critique some of the ideas under consideration..?

It would be cruel to feed the delusion that someone, somewhere gives a shit about what you think or write.
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November 10, 2009 9:01pm
philu

why so bitter/angry..?..clintoiid..?

was it something i said..?

was it ‘cos i posted those kick-arse whale photos..?

(did that make you feel inferior..?..)

and really..!

you are a teacher..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 10, 2009 9:30pm
Johnboy

‘and really..!

you are a teacher..?’

Now now phool your jealousy is showing.

Sad to think you too could have been a teacher——–what with all your——–(qualifications—-meh)

But alas the PPTA don’t enroll—— (SSSSShh—“junkies”—meh?) —- specially if they have( ssssshhhhh)–

—-(“convictions —–eh”?). and still fail the drug test—–meh?

Wasted life eh?(whoar.co.nz)

Johnboy(sheep.walton.co.nz)

Happily murdering maggoting maggies since phuck-knows when
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November 10, 2009 9:41pm
Viking2

Gods wonderful ways.

Once upon a time in the Kingdom of Heaven , God went

missing for six days. Eventually, Michael the Arch-Angel found him

on the seventh day, resting. He inquired of God, “Where have you been?”

God sighed a deep sigh of satisfaction and proudly pointed downwards through the clouds

“Look Michael, look what I’ve made.” said God.

Archangel Michael looked puzzled and said,

“What is it?”

“It’s a planet,” replied God, “and I’ve put LIFE

on it. I’m going to call it Earth and it’s going

to be a great place of balance”.

“Balance?” inquired Michael, still confused.

God explained, pointing to different parts of Earth.

“For example, North America will be a place of great

opportunity and wealth while South America is going to be poor;

the Middle East over there will be a hot spot

and Russia will be a cold spot.

Over there I’ve placed a continent of white people

and over there is a continent of black people,”

God continued, pointing to different countries.

This one will be extremely hot and arid while

this one will be very cold and covered in ice.”

The Archangel , impressed by God’s work, then

pointed to a smaller land mass and said “What’s that one?”

Ah ,” said God. “That’s New Zealand ,

the most glorious place on Earth.

There are beautiful lakes, rivers, streams and hills.

The people from New Zealand are going to be modest,

intelligent and humorous and they’re going to be found

travelling the world. They’ll be extremely sociable, hard-working and

high-achieving,and they will be known throughout the world as diplomats

and carriers of peace.”

Michael gasped in wonder and admiration but then proclaimed,

“What about balance, God? you said there will be BALANCE!”

God replied wisely,

“Wait until you see the tossers I’m putting next to them. I call them Australians!!!”
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November 10, 2009 9:51pm
Hurf Durf

November 10th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

a new BBC poll

A Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation poll tells people what it believes in. Surprise surprise. No doubt it was a push poll.

I look forward to executing thieves of the likes of phool the communist anti-western retard.
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November 10, 2009 10:05pm
Chthoniid

Oh dear Phool, you’re obviously projecting your own anger/bitterness onto me.

Gosh, you are slow though. I’m not a teacher. Thanks for taking an interest though.
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November 10, 2009 10:15pm
Nomestradamus

Phool:

was it ‘cos i posted those kick-arse whale photos..?

(did that make you feel inferior..?..)

Let me see:

– Chthoniid takes his own photos – high-quality and interesting.
– You, on the other hand, didn’t post kick-arse whale photos; you merely posted a link to photos someone else had taken. That makes you a copy-and-paste merchant – definitely inferior.

Do others agree?
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November 10, 2009 10:16pm
Johnboy

“Aye”—-The aye’s have it.
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November 10, 2009 10:17pm
Nomestradamus

Does Kiwiblog not have an edit facility anymore?

Phool link-whored on this general debate threadA>. And, for those who can bear visiting Phool’s blog, it’s here – the photos are those of Bryant Austin.
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November 10, 2009 10:20pm
philu

hurf…29,000 people in 27 countries were polled..

not enough of a sample size for you..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 10, 2009 10:23pm
Johnboy

Let me get this straight. Is there an ‘Edit” button somewhere that if its pushed all 6699 of phools posts disappear.
If that is so I will push it. Just tell me where to find it! 🙂
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November 10, 2009 10:25pm
Johnboy

Phuck. Too late. 6700 has just gestated.
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November 10, 2009 10:27pm
getstaffed

Since it’s clear that the Science Isn’t Settled, I thought it must therefore be something else. Herewith some suggestions:

The science is amiss
The science is bollocks
The science is canard
The science is dishonest
The science is evasive
The science is fraudulent
The science is garbage
The science is hyperbole
The science is incorrect
The science is junk
The science is kleptomania
The science is junk
The science is mistaken
The science is non-existent
The science is odious
The science is placeboic
The science is quackery
The science is refuse
The science is shameful
The science is truth-free
The science is unethical
The science is vacuous
The science is womby
The science is xerotripic
The science is yonderly
The science is zoocytium
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November 10, 2009 10:34pm
Johnboy

Ahem, you seem to have missed the obvious one, ahem– The science is ahem, unsettled.
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November 10, 2009 10:39pm
getstaffed

Yeah, and I doubled-up on the junk. Lamantable!
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November 10, 2009 10:41pm
philu

;.”.Lamantable!..”

heh..!

illiterate/dumb people are really funny..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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November 10, 2009 10:54pm
Hurf Durf

29,000 people in 27 countries were polled..

Out of 600 million people?
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November 10, 2009 11:03pm
MikeNZ

Viking
delicious!

Pete
I do apologise i was doing two things at once and had to leave.
I thought I’d said that your first sentence made sense of the rest that you’d written.
But I see I just wrote the first bit and didn’t the second or changed to email and log off.
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