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October 3, 2009 9:01am by David Farrar

Tua vs Cameron

Who do you think will win, and when?

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Pete George

Do you mean which one will end up with the least cerebral damage? Some people will make some money undamaged, they will be “winners” I guess, if you could call that sort of thing a contest.
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October 3, 2009 9:06am
Patrick Starr

tua in the 1st – (but there again this is pro boxing so you dont know whats been arranged)
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October 3, 2009 9:09am
Pete George

How many bangs would they get for your bucks Patrick? Shouldn’t you at least have been able to pay per round?
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October 3, 2009 9:37am
Michael E

Cameron’s reach is only slightly longer than Tua’s, so Tua should be able to land his punches without a Lewis like battering on the way in. Tua in the middle rounds (5,6 or 7)
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October 3, 2009 9:40am
MikeNZ

tua 3rd round
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October 3, 2009 9:40am
muppet

“Fight of the Century” promoter wins (possibly) in the first round. Tua in the third.
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October 3, 2009 9:42am
big bruv

Don’t know and don’t care, but those of you who are going or have paid to see it on pay per view should know that small amount of the money you paid to see the fight is going to go to that piece of shit and child killer Soulan Pownceby who is fighting on the under card.

http://www.safenz.org.nz/Data/powncebysoulan.htm
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October 3, 2009 9:46am
Johnboy

The joint winners will be Tua’s and his current managers lawyers in about three years time.
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October 3, 2009 9:51am
Pete George

Wouldn’t you think that anyone willing to be a punch bag so others can make money would have to fucked in the head? Hang on…..
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October 3, 2009 9:53am
Inventory2

Who gives a shit? The bottom line is that the reality will not match the rhetoric and hype.

Having said that … Tua in the third, when Cameron’s eye splits again
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October 3, 2009 9:59am
Auberon

Cameron on points.
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October 3, 2009 10:08am
Rakaia George

The has-been will likely stop the never-will-be in the third…so Inv, you reckon the ‘Caps can make the final?
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October 3, 2009 10:35am
3-coil

We are all winners!!!

If the tsunami tragedy has had one positive effect, it’s been Tua finally abandoning his fake South-Central gangsta accent that he had affected. It made all of his obnoxious “trash-talk” sound even more stupid – thank God it’s gone.
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October 3, 2009 10:41am
Razork

Tua to cut open tiring Cameron in the 8th.

It’s just sport people stop taking it so seriously
Those of you bagging the whole fight by trying to score some imaginary points with your indignant stand that you think makes you look smart and clever.
It actually just makes you look sad and devoid of any fun.

Sky must be stoked with how many people are paying the pay per view $40.
We booked it and thought we would invite a few friends around; all the people we invited had already booked it them selves too. This is a very big event!
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October 3, 2009 10:57am
Inventory2

@ Rakaia George – well, the Black Caps can’t bowl any worse than the English did this morning – Ponting and Watson will be off to Jen for Men after that diet of pies!
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October 3, 2009 11:01am
Grizz

All I am concerned about is either of them claiming ACC if they have any injuries requiring attention. The promoters must take out insurance and fund their own medical costs as a result of the fight.

The taxpayer will not be fucked over by this event!
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October 3, 2009 11:28am
side show bob

Don’t care, the piss is on ice and the screen is getting a dusting, should be a big night.
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October 3, 2009 11:48am
mike12

Round 3 Tua will clean Camerons clock – thats what my TAB ticket anyway…
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October 3, 2009 11:57am
Elijah Lineberry

Who: David Tua

When: Tonight 😉

I think pugilist contests are just splendid; a good opportunity for genuine skill to overcome hyperbole and I am eagerly awaiting the match.

http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com
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October 3, 2009 12:01pm
Leg Break

Inv / RG.

Whoever wins the toss wins the semi-final. It’s in Joburg.

Storm to win the NRL, and Liverpool to beat Chelsea
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October 3, 2009 12:02pm
gravedodger

Ask someone who cares. I accept professional boxing often exhibits quite a degree of skill among the protagonists and the promoters and can be an escape to riches but the damage among many who indulge and the depressing parade of the remnants of something I cannot describe as sport is too often tragic. Why do I think of dog fighting, cock fighting, bull fighting and the coliseum at the moment.
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October 3, 2009 12:09pm
alex Masterley

Don’t know, don’t care.
Opening day for my yacht cub’s sailing season is far more important.
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October 3, 2009 12:19pm
cha

“Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports. . . all others are games.”

Ernest Hemingway
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October 3, 2009 12:26pm
Fale Andrew Lesa

Doesn’t it amaze you how so many people have expressed comments like “I don’t care – as long as ACC doesn’t pay for their injuries” or “don’t know, don’t care”.

This blog title was clearly “Who do you think will win and when – regarding the obvious fight between Tua and Cameron”.

If I didn’t care I wouldn’t make myself known on a blog thats specific purpose was to know exactly what was going on and who was expected to win.
The mentality of some people is amazing…
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October 3, 2009 12:33pm
philu

“..boxing will be the winner..on the night..”

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 3, 2009 2:34pm
nickb

Thanks Fale, see the normal assorted hall monitors and fun police are out in force on this thread.

GO TUA! I hope he punishes Cameron, Tua is the NZ sportsman of the decade IMO.

And lets hope the black caps do well after..
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October 3, 2009 2:34pm
nickb

Are you serious phil?
Because if you are, good stuff, I thought the greens would be against that kinda thing.
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October 3, 2009 2:40pm
Pete George

“Tua is the NZ sportsman of the decade IMO”

What has he done this decade? Compared to a hundred or so gold medalists and world champions?
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October 3, 2009 2:56pm
side show bob

I see it is billed as the fight of the century, I must be older than I realised. Think I have now seen six or seven fights of the century.
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October 3, 2009 3:09pm
Grizz

Fale, for some people boxing is not a sport that they take interest in. For others, it is a big deal.

Myself, I like sport. I like the challenge of seeing who is the fittest, strongest, skillful and the most tactical. However, I also like sportsmanship and fairplay. My idea of a sport is something where the main objective is to not beat the crap out of your opponent until they have been knocked out.

As an income earner, and hence an ACC payer, if the main object of the sport is essentially violence and to inflict pain and suffering of your opponent, then I would not want to see my hard earned ACC money go towards this. Most sports have tried to implement rules to prevent serious head injuries, ie penalising head high tackles and spear tackles in rugby. In boxing, while a show of fitness and physical strength is one thing, but when it comes down to it, its all about inflicting a head injury on your opponent.

Why am I speaking out, well in NZ there is an underbelly (or should I say community) of amateur and small time professional boxers. As an ED doctor I have seen several boxers and sparring partners turn up to hospital with head injuries all requesting tax payer funded medical care (which ACC usually takes care of). I cannot help thinking that this is a rort as any sport that is all about punching the head and face should never receive any ACC assistance for the head injuries it inevitably causes. ACC is an insurance. Head injuries in boxing are expected. If boxers were required to fund costs relating to their head injuries themselves then I do not have a problem. If there is someone in the know, can they answer how the promoters of this fight wish to fund the costs of the injuries that may be incurred with this fight?
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October 3, 2009 3:15pm
Fisiani

Cameron in the 4th round by TKO
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October 3, 2009 3:15pm
philu

nckb..

once again proving the thesis that followers of rightwing ideology..

..have no sense of humour/no understanding of humour/irony..

(it usually just confuses them..)..

(any laughing that rightwingers do..is usually sneers directed at those they view as their inferiors..

(..which isn’t really ‘humour’..)

poor/sad luvvies..

..having no sense of humour must make for a fucken bleak existance..eh..?..

your heart has to go out to them..really..)

(‘naughty fighting schoolboy rugby players..!…

..ooh..!..look..!..fight..!.”.)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 3, 2009 3:22pm
nickb

Sorry phil, I just thought boxing must be one of those things on the long list of stuff the Greens want banned to protect Gaia.
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October 3, 2009 3:36pm
nickb

And Pete, I respect sportsman who have made it in sport which NZ is not renowned for far more than sportsmen who play rugby, cricket, soccer etc.

How easy is it to be a good rugby player or cricketer in NZ with all the popularity, networks, and passion which those sports attract.

David Tua made it to the very top of a sport which does not have a high profile in NZ, and that is my reasoning.
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October 3, 2009 4:01pm
Grizz

Philu, Is it true you have a Masters degree? If so, how? Making paragraphs out of half sentences is something you would expect from pre-high school aged children.
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October 3, 2009 4:18pm
Pete George

Tua didn’t make it to the very top. Boxing is a bit of mess, what is the top anyway? And Tua’s last decade has hardly been stellar. He has never won sportsman of the year, has he ever even been nominated?

I’m not just referring to rugby or cricket (neither have one a world cup in the last decade), what about rowing, cycling, golf, netball, softball, triathalon, kayaking, shot put?
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October 3, 2009 5:03pm
ernesto

Elijah, it would be great to arrange for you to have a personal introduction to David Tua… see what he thinks of your ethnic cleansing plans.

“Maori/Pacific Island ‘hard men’ are actually all girly men”
Submitted by Elijah Lineberry on Thu, 2007-11-15 22:40.
http://www.solopassion.com/node/3701

Go Tua
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October 3, 2009 5:38pm
Leg Break

“David Tua made it to the very top of a sport which does not have a high profile in NZ, and that is my reasoning.”

No he didn’t.

And if you’re going to take that logic then the sportsman of the last decade is M Campbell.
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October 3, 2009 6:07pm
Paul Marsden

Cameron. Youth over wisdom.
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October 3, 2009 7:01pm
Brian Smaller

Pete George – we get it – you don’t like boxing. Or probably any contact martial arts for that matter.
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October 3, 2009 7:11pm
Fale Andrew Lesa

Okay!

First of all – if it doesn’t concern you, why bother commenting on a blog specifically set aside for it?

Secondly, when has ACC ever paid out compensation to a boxer in a boxing fight who is clearly expected to authorize the fight by declaring his consent to participate? – you can rest assured that tax payer funding will not end up in the form of compensation to any of these fighters tonight.

Thirdly, yes boxing is a very violent sport but it has a history that stretches as far back as the Third Millennium BC and covered most of European civilization. It was declared an Olympic sport in 688 BC which makes it one of the oldest sports today.
Yes it is a violent sport but like most full-contact sports there are rules and regulations as well as the authority circumscribed to the referee. It’s almost like joining the American military – you authorize the fight by declaring your interest through a contract of permission. You train for years and accept that the consequence of such a sport is violent and injury is often unavoidable.

On a more relevant note,

I predict David Tua victorious!
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October 3, 2009 8:01pm
Don the Kiwi

Cameron in the eigth round – as lond as he can keep away from Tua’s left, which I think he will have worked out.

Cameron to take the money.
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October 3, 2009 8:24pm
nickb

And Tua smashes him!
There was no doubt in my mind, Tua is simply the man.

And Leg Break, comparing Tua to a has been golfer who won a major and faded into obscurity, without doing anything of note before or after, is a bit disingenous.
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October 3, 2009 11:25pm
ernesto

David Tua has shown again he is the hardest puncher in the world.

Shane ‘the bitch’ Cameron will think twice before he calls anyone a ‘fat old man’ again.

Well done David, you are a world class boxer, we’ll see the world title around your waist yet.

And you idiots who called it for Cameron have obviously never watched a real boxing match. Cameron has only ever fought nobodies. It is outrageous that the purse is split 50/50. Cameron is all shit.
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October 3, 2009 11:40pm
Robert Black

Now let’s hope he can go on and smash the Klitzsko brothers.
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October 3, 2009 11:41pm
ernesto

Heard enough of Bob Jones bullshit predictions yet?
Hahahaha.
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October 3, 2009 11:43pm
ernesto

It is a crying shame Tua was held back by Kevin Barry’s crappy management for so long. He should have been world champion years ago and would have been without Barry. No wonder Barry can’t show his thieving face in New Zealand.
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October 3, 2009 11:50pm
Mike78

Hard to know what that answers, Cameron went down so quick he is either very very average or Tua is very very good, until you get a tested opponent for Tua I guess we wont know – In case anyone is looking for it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DYRA3t9AxA
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October 4, 2009 12:38am
Grizz

“Secondly, when has ACC ever paid out compensation to a boxer in a boxing fight who is clearly expected to authorize the fight by declaring his consent to participate? – you can rest assured that tax payer funding will not end up in the form of compensation to any of these fighters tonight.”

How little you know. Begrudgingly, I have filed ACC claims for head injured boxers. As I contribute to ACC, of course it concerns me.

“Thirdly, yes boxing is a very violent sport but it has a history that stretches as far back as the Third Millennium BC and covered most of European civilization. It was declared an Olympic sport in 688 BC which makes it one of the oldest sports today”

Gladiator fights to the death was also popular in Roman times. Often hungry lions were thrown it to make it interesting. In some Latin cultures bull fighting is also a skillful and popular sport. However, just because they date back to the dreamtime does not make them an appropriate sport in today’s civilised world.
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October 4, 2009 12:58am
reid

Mike, care to repost that link? It just takes you to the Youtube home page.

P.S. its a shame that a hungry lion wasn’t thrown in, IMO
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October 4, 2009 1:17am
ernesto

Like John Key, Shame Cameron has just witness the devastation wrought by the Samoan Tsunami.
How them apples taste mountain goat?
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October 4, 2009 1:25am
Patrick Starr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rkgnmd8Y4Y
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October 4, 2009 7:58am
Patrick Starr

as I thought – tua in the 1st

wtf was this ‘time out’ that allowed it to go to the 2nd?
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October 4, 2009 8:02am
snice1

The winner is SKY, the loser all those who fronted up some cash to pay fo it. More hype than an XT advert.

If you look at the impact of this fight outside New Zealand, well there isn’t any. Tua is a past it (if he ever was), and Cameron is a never will be.

Try looking up the fight at http://www.ringtv.com, no mention.
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October 4, 2009 9:59am
meandillar

Grizz, I can kinda see your point about taxpayers paying for boxing injuries, but you will also realise working in ED that the number of injuries that rugby players sustain in their careers far outweighs boxing injuries. Furthermore, the sheer number of people playing rugby all over new zealand compared to those in the sport of boxing means that ACC will be paying out a monstrous amount more to rugby players than to boxers.

Working in ED you will also notice the severity of motorbike accidents and the frequency that they occur – that is road accidents and moto-x. Does this mean people should start kicking up a fuss about the amount of taxpayers money spent on motorbike riders? Hell no.

Finally, the comment you made about Phil and his grammar, that was pretty childish. Many doctors would be man enough to refrain from making such petty comments.

The tuaman is back
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October 4, 2009 10:24am
Grizz

I can see where you are going about rugby and other sports injuries. One of the consequences of most sports are injuries and we must make allowances for this. I would never advocate telling people to stop playing rugby and netball. We are better off as a nation having people being active than being wrapped in cotton wool. Howver I feel it is the responsibility of the code concerned to improve safety and minimise injury. If injuries do occur, the sport should look at trying to minimise the gravity of those injuries and the social cost to the community. Head injuries often result in permanent disability and the lifetime cost of this is huge.

Kudos to the rugby union, they have gone to great lengths to minimise head and spinal injuries. Most rugby injuries are orthopaedic in nature which on the whole are correctable. The reality is, for a variety of reasons, I see more netball related injuries than rugby injuries. However, most of these will return to full time employment and often back to full time playing.

You touch on motorbike riders. Motorcyclists have to pay registration fees just like any other vehicle owner. Of which there is an ACC component. If you are prepared to obey the road code, please feel free to ride your bike. On the matter of motorcross, yes we should kick up a fuss. A small motorcross tournament will consume more ACC premiums than a whole Provincial City’s Saturday rugby competition.

By the way, I am pleased to see that Phil has a friend.
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October 4, 2009 4:21pm
Dazzaman

Grizz

By the way, I am pleased to see that Phil has a friend.

LOL!!

On the fight, Tua was too good & Cameron has always been tooooooo ssssllllloooooowwwww as a boxer. No defence other then using his arms! He’s got reasonable power, good punches, good conditioning & good chin (oops) but man he just can’t move his feet or head enough, quickly enough to be competitive against the top echelon.

Tua looks real good when he’s angry though. Hope he can tap into that anger when/if he fights again.

I don’t understand the venom of some of these posters though…….it’s a big fight for NZ & well promoted. Shane Cameron’s had a good career for a Kiwi heavyweight and was man enough to step up to the mark. Good on both of them they earned their 500K before it even started!
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October 4, 2009 5:33pm
meandillar

Grizz,

I agree will your comments, especially regarding moto-x. Maybe introducing compulsory (very pricey) health insurance for riders would solve it?

I do however find it hard to imagine how professional boxing could be made safer for someones head without introducing head gear, and I dont really see that happening. Maybe more of the training focus should go towards dodging punches!?

As far as the amount of permanent serious head injuries stemming from boxing, I’m not sure what the numbers would be, but I’m assuming the percentages would be quite low.
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