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October 7, 2009 8:00am by David Farrar

General Debate 7 October 2009

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siobhan

How come I can’t find anything in the Newspapers about the additional $50 K plus that Chris Carter spent on travel in the first six months of last year. This now takes his travel troughing to over $130 K!!!

Also note Nanny Herald has managed to do several articles on Field without mentioning Labours disgraceful defense of him for over a year. Pathetic.
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October 7, 2009 8:07am
scanner

We have Chris “The Disaster Tourist” over on Red Alert not quite sure of himself –
First he says – What a great posting from Winnie. I am so glad she agreed to go with me to Samoa
Then a bit further on he tells us – Winnie had decided she had to travel to Samoa, she asked me to accompany her, and we both literally rushed to the airport.
Sounds a bit like he’s unsure of what actually happened, and he was going to provide advice.
Follows it up with – I see the usual suspects in the media have been making snide comments about Winnie and me
Nowhere have I seen one negative comment or word for that matter, against Winnie, in fact I think the whole nation is in awe of her efforts, Chris on the other hand is a different story.

Then we have $83,000 worth of travel having another $48,241 added to it, to bring in a grand total of $131,241, a new high score.
Two questions could be asked here –
1. Why is the govt accounting system so lax that nearly $50K of spending should remain unreported when the disclosure was supposed to be complete, and how much other spending of taxpayer money is unaccounted for or “forgotten”.
2. As education minister what was purpose of a partner accompanied visit to Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, China, Spain, the UK, Chile, Peru and Australia, certainly looks more like a holiday.
Chris now refuses to speak to the media on this subject, preferring to hide under Helens’ skirt once again; it has that Groundhog Day feeling to it again.
It is my belief that Chris and his masters knew this was “unreported” and eventually the information would make it into the public arena, perhaps this is linked to the Samoan trip and going there was seen as a better “warm fuzzy” than hugging babies.
The harder you scratch the worse it gets.
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October 7, 2009 8:10am
cha

Here ya go siobhan

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2938002/MPs-expenses-higher-than-first-thought
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October 7, 2009 8:13am
village idiot

Watching ‘Te Ipu Ao’ on Te Pouaka Whakaata Maori is going to be something, isn’t it, pai kare!

Poor Bill English will miss out though! Dipton is out of range of Maori Television.

Aue te mamae!
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October 7, 2009 8:14am
david

What a bummer eh? Chris must have known about the missing bits and if he was honest he would have corrected the record when the numbers were first released. Can you now trust him on anything he says?

I may have been critical but I did think he was honest …. until now!
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October 7, 2009 8:24am
village idiot

The whole ‘Key on Letterman’ thing has turned a little sour, hasn’t it? The high profile exposure that Key got (remember all those Youtube hits) for appearing on Letterman’s show seems kinda tacky now, given the revelations over Letterman’s adulterous behaviour. Key would, I’m sure, have avoided international exposure alongside of someone who was about to be exposed as a cheat, had he known. Bad timing, bad exposure.
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October 7, 2009 8:28am
david

Ha VI, the racist call by the MP is the first refuge of those who have no other defence. Shows how shaky their ground really is.

While you are at it check out busted blond on Greens and Taxis. Ho hum, as usual look to the most strident critics if you want to find the bigest hypocrits.
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October 7, 2009 8:28am
jcuknz

An interesting condundrum has arisen for the American Supreme Court. Curbing the vile versus free speech as spelt out in the Constitution. A person has made and selling video of pitbull dogs tearing each other apart in fights [also dog v. pig ] and as this is abhorent to most people he was charged and convicted by the courts. Now the Supreme Court has to decide how this conflicts with the concept of free speech. [Today’s NYT ]
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October 7, 2009 8:29am
village idiot

Is John Key still going to meet with the Dalai Lama? He said he would, for sure. Obama, it seems, has bowed to Chinese pressure and avoided the meeting. Key won’t fold, will he?
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October 7, 2009 8:29am
Manolo

The stench of corruption is all over the socialist Labour Party.

Philip Field has been caught red-handed and convicted, the remorseless diva Chris Carter travels around the world at our expense, Phil Goff shows more spine than Chamberlain, Annette King is more deluded than ever.
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October 7, 2009 8:33am
Manolo

“Key won’t fold, will he?”

Is the Pope a Catholic? Surely, he’ll yield to China’s communist regime. After all, Key confessed his admiration for Obama, the Messiah, so it would be right for him to follow his example.
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October 7, 2009 8:36am
siobhan

Thank Cha. My already low opinion of our newspapers was ready to dissolve. But you have saved it for another day.
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October 7, 2009 8:36am
XChequer

VI wrote:

“The whole ‘Key on Letterman’ thing has turned a little sour, hasn’t it? The high profile exposure that Key got (remember all those Youtube hits) for appearing on Letterman’s show seems kinda tacky now, given the revelations over Letterman’s adulterous behaviour. Key would, I’m sure, have avoided international exposure alongside of someone who was about to be exposed as a cheat, had he known. Bad timing, bad exposure.”

Ummmmm, no. It hasn’t turned sour VI. You’re reaching a bit here and it ain’t workin for ya.
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October 7, 2009 8:55am
village idiot

XChequer – well, it seems that way from where I sit. Tacky all round. Key’s ‘loosest slot machines in the Pacific’ quip is another tacky aspect of the ‘exposure’. Wtf are we supposed to be saying, as a country, by that!! It sounds licentious and demeaning to our women. If in fact, it refers to the ease with which our gambling machines pay out, what the hell does that say about New Zealanders? That we are an ‘easy beat’, suckers who can be fleeced by American tourists? Who’s money will the payouts represent? Key is even going to allow the comment and his gormless mug, to be used by the gambling industry to try to attract gambling tourists? Is that tacky or what!?
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October 7, 2009 9:06am
siobhan

Wow XChequer.

Do you get the feeling that at all costs the talking points today must not include Phil “my pockets” Field or Chris “leaving on a jet plane” Carter.

Lame points about Key on letterman ain’t going to change that tide, sorry Idiot.
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October 7, 2009 9:15am
Patrick Starr

A green party member calling someone else ‘tacky’? – oh the irony

Now THIS is tacky;

http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/hoodie1.jpg
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October 7, 2009 9:22am
Brian Smaller

VI – you are drawing a long bow re: letterman and trying to somehow link his sexual proclivities to Key’s image. Please get banned again and do us all favour. I never thought I would say it but I would rather read an entire thread of Philu’s drugged ramblings than your contributions.
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October 7, 2009 9:25am
nickb

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/personal-finance/news/article.cfm?c_id=12&objectid=10601662

I do have some sympathy for some of these people, especially any senile seniors that have undue influence places on the to invest or act as guarantors. The perpetrators here should be punished.

But I do have issue with people who sink all their money into finance companies, or take out huge mortgages secured over their first home, under some kind of pretensions of wealth/financial savvyness.
Should a duty of care really have to exist for a lawyer to advise clients that investing their life savings is not a good idea?
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October 7, 2009 9:34am
nickb

Haha classic Patrick.
What try hards!
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October 7, 2009 9:37am
philu

(heh..!..

and this is what you rightwingers all want us to become..

wot wiff yer privatising..and the like..

this is the city on the hill you all look to….

bah..!..feckin’ idjits..!..eh..?..)

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/us-fails-to-make-top-10-in-quality-of-life-index-or-why-right-wingers-really-hate-the-un/

“..In it recent Human Development Index, the U.N. ranks the U.S. at number 13 among the nations of the world.

Now we know why right-wingers from Phyllis Schlafly to Mike Huckabee hate the United Nations:..

.. the international body founded by our great nation consistently fails to recognize our Number-One, ass-kicking, towel-head-drubbing greatness.

Take, for instance, the U.N.’s newly-released Human Development Index .. which measures quality of life in 182 nations.

The United States, often referred to as the world’s richest nation .. didn’t even make the top 10.

We came in at 13 ..

.. which is surely a numerological conspiracy designed to bring us even worse luck than we’ve had lately ..

.. what with job numbers shrinking .. and a communist in the White House.

In fact, we were beat by France (ranked 8th), for cryin’ out loud —

– a nation of Arab-coddling croissant-eaters.

You know it had to be rigged.

And Red Canada fourth place ..

.. with its government-taken-over Soviet health-care system!

Sure, it’s easy to claim a higher quality of life when you live in a place like France ..

.. where you get 30 days of paid vacation every year.

Never mind that their productivity numbers nearly equal ours.

Where’s the index for rugged individualism and personal responsibility?

How good do ya think them Frenchies would do on that..?

.. huh?..”

(idiots..!..eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 7, 2009 9:37am
Patrick Starr

Siobhan, I think idiot is still running diversion for Jea “nett myself a good taxpayer rip-off”
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October 7, 2009 9:42am
virtualmark

Luc,

“I disagree that Palestinians have shown themselves to be self-destructive. There are two problems with that statement. One is that it is, I am sorry to say, inherently racist.” I don’t think you went on to point out the second problem, but there’s more than enough to go on here already.

I stand by my comment that the Palestinians are self-destructive. And no, that’s not a racist statement, it’s a simple analytical one.

Just right off the top of my head I would point to:
* Their complicity with the Arab League in trying to destroy Israel in 1948 when the UN had just explicitly mandated Israel into being,
* The actions of the PLO in Jordan in 1968 through 1970, culminating in Black September,
* The PLO’s participation in the various Lebanese civil wars in the 1980’s, where they showed an impeccable ability to partner with the losing side,
* The clear corruption of Arafat and his Fatah cronies, who siphoned off billions of aid money into their own pockets over at least 30 years,
* Palestinian support for Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait in 1990, which pissed off their major supporters & donors like Saudi Arabia,
* The vandalism & looting of the greenhouses & infrastructure Israel left in the Gaza strip in 2005, when those would have allowed Palestinians to build a useful business that employed people,
* The accelerated rate of Qassam attacks after Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, which clearly exposed the Palestinians will not honour any “land for peace” deals … talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face,
* The inability for Hamas and Fatah to behave like adult political parties, able to accept that they lost an election and recognise the winner, instead behaving like thugs and warlords trying to control their own fiefdoms,

and … the granddaddy of them all … Arafat and the Palestinians rejecting the 2000 Camp David offer which would have given them the Gaza Strip, over 90% of the West Bank, East Jerusalem as a capital, compensation for Palestinians displaced in the nakba, and opened the taps to a huge amount of development aid. FFS … you can lead a horse to water but if it will only drink chilled vintage champagne then you have a real problem.

The Palestinians have received more aid-per-head of population than any other group in world history. Yet they still live in squalor. They complain about the density of population in Gaza, but that doesn’t seem to have hampered Hong Kong or Manhattan from being successful peaceful cities.

So yes, I do think the Palestinians are self-destructive. And I think they lack the cultural maturity to both (i) secure a state of their own and (ii) make a success of it if they were to somehow get one. I’m sure there are a lot of nice and well-meaning Palestinians. I’m sure they want a better life for their children. But as a people they have shown a long pattern of self-destructive behaviour.

That’s not racist – I have no problem with Palestinians or Arabs – it’s just an analytical observation.

Contrast the Palestinian’s behaviour with that of the Israelis. There were as many Jewish refugees from the Arab-Israeli wars as there were Palestinian ones. But Israel quickly accommodated them, gave them assistance to get settled, and integrated them into its population. Just a simple read of two Wikipedia articles, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands vs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus highlights the different cultural maturity.

Compare the list of notable Jews who’ve made a significant contribution to the world (so large Wikipedia has to break it into 33 categories, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jews) with the list of notable Palestinians (I can’t find one).

The Jews have proven time and time again that no matter what disadvantages they face they will be industrious and will make great achievements. The Palestinians have proven time and time again that they will spit in the face of anyone who tries to help them.

This is just a dispassionate comparison of two sets of (uncomfortable) historical fact. To label it “racism” says to me that you have no other better argument to fall back on, so must resort to mud throwing.
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October 7, 2009 9:46am
Brian Smaller

I never thought I would say it but I would rather read an entire thread of Philu’s drugged ramblings than your contributions.

After reading Philu’s last post I retract that statement.
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October 7, 2009 9:46am
toad

Who thinks THIS is reasonable force for the purpose of correction?
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October 7, 2009 9:50am
philu

(and..um..!..oo-err..!..eh..?..)

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/secret-plan-to-ditch-the-us-dollars-dominance-uncovered/

“..Arab states have launched a secret plan with China, Russia and France ..

.. to stop using the US currency for oil trading.

In the most profound financial change in recent Middle East history, Gulf Arabs are planning – along with China, Russia, Japan and France –

– to end dollar dealings for oil ..

.. moving instead to a basket of currencies including the Japanese yen and Chinese yuan, the euro, gold ..

.. and a new, unified currency planned for nations in the Gulf Co-operation Council, including Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait and Qatar.

Secret meetings have already been held by finance ministers and central bank governors in Russia, China, Japan and Brazil to work on the scheme..

.. which will mean that oil will no longer be priced in dollars.

The plans, confirmed to The Independent by both Gulf Arab and Chinese banking sources in Hong Kong, may help to explain the sudden rise in gold prices..

.. but it also augurs an extraordinary transition from dollar markets .. within nine years.

The Americans, who are aware the meetings have taken place – although they have not discovered the details –

– are sure to fight this international cabal which will include hitherto loyal allies Japan and the Gulf Arabs.

Against the background to these currency meetings, Sun Bigan, China’s former special envoy to the Middle East ..

.. has warned there is a risk of deepening divisions between China and the US over influence and oil in the Middle East.

“Bilateral quarrels and clashes are unavoidable,” he told the Asia and Africa Review.

“We cannot lower vigilance against hostility in the Middle East over energy interests and security.”

This sounds like a dangerous prediction of a future economic war between the US and China over Middle East oil –

– yet again turning the region’s conflicts into a battle for great power supremacy.

China uses more oil incrementally than the US because its growth is less energy efficient.

The transitional currency in the move away from dollars, according to Chinese banking sources, may well be gold.

An indication of the huge amounts involved can be gained from the wealth of Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar ..

.. who together hold an estimated $2.1 trillion in dollar reserves.

The decline of American economic power linked to the current global recession was implicitly acknowledged by the World Bank president Robert Zoellick.

“One of the legacies of this crisis may be a recognition of changed economic power relations,” he said in Istanbul ..

.. ahead of meetings this week of the IMF and World Bank..”

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 7, 2009 9:53am
Patrick Starr

Its your fault Mr Smaller – you’ve now given him license
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October 7, 2009 9:57am
getstaffed

virtualmark – Excellent comment. Thank you.
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October 7, 2009 10:09am
Brian Smaller

Who thinks THIS is reasonable force for the purpose of correction?

If that link is to the story about the woman who abused her kid with multiple objects, then no. I don’t think many people would. But then again, your lot don’t see the difference between a smack on the bum and a beating with a tyre iron. Go away toad and bang another drum.
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October 7, 2009 10:10am
XChequer

@ siobhan

“Do you get the feeling that at all costs the talking points today must not include Phil “my pockets” Field or Chris “leaving on a jet plane” Carter.”

Lol. As Gordon Ramsey would say “Hit, Nail, Head – DONE!”
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October 7, 2009 10:23am
RightNow

phlu, I didn’t realise you were American, would you please stop stealing money from us NZ taxpayers now? P.S I hear you had a great time at Galbraiths and made some new friends (at least they’re still laughing anyway).

What a great news week this has been huh? Labour score first with the conviction of one of their MP’s for corruption.
And look, Labour score again with the release of further travel costs for Chris ‘Columbus’ Carter, now with a new record of $131k for 6 months worth of troughing (sorry, travel).
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October 7, 2009 10:24am
XChequer

Philu – pity your submissions to parliament weren’t as long as your posts.
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October 7, 2009 10:24am
village idiot

soibhan – I could hardly care less about the ‘tide’ that is washing over Field and Carter. Couldn’t care less.

You have no opinion about the effect of the Letterman revelations on Key’s exposure? Don’t think it’s lost its lustre somewhat? I do. Bet you don’t hear anyone playing up Key’s appearance on the now-disgraced Letterman’s show again. Or perhaps you think there will be hay to be made from it? Sounds as though you’ll stick by him no matter what the circumstances. Good lass. Test the theory – has Farrar run a story on Letterman’s fall from grace?

Winston – ‘running diversion’ for the Green accommodation story? Ha! It’s died, hadn’t you noticed? Or do you think it’s still a live issue? Can’t see any signs of it anywhere . Odd that, eh Winston!

Brian Smaller – You don’t think Letterman’s revelation about cheating on his wife has taken the shine off Key’s appearance either? O.k. Can’t bear the suggestion that it may have either? You’re very protective and good for you, but common-sense might be a guide for you here. Politicians do not like to be associated with smelly scandals. Key and Letterman were seen together by all New Zealanders and their meeting was highly pumped. You think there is no unintended residue from that. Okaaaaay.

[DPF: Fuck you are desperate.]
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October 7, 2009 10:31am
Kris K

Treaty of Lisbon – New World Order one step closer.

This was initially commented on briefly on Sunday October 4th – thought it was worth restating again in case any missed it.

24 of the 27 member states have now ratified the Lisbon Treaty:

Negotiations to modify EU institutions began in 2001, resulting first in the European Constitution, which failed due to rejection by French and Dutch voters in 2005. The Constitution’s replacement, the Lisbon Treaty, was originally intended to have been ratified by all member states by the end of 2008. This timetable did however fail, primarily due to the rejection of the Treaty in 2008 by the Irish electorate. This decision was however reversed in a second referendum in 2009. As of 3 October 2009 (2009 -10-03)[update], 24 of the total 27 member states have ratified the Treaty[5], with formal ratification processes in Ireland, as well as the signatures of the Czech and Polish Presidents being remaining obstacles before the Treaty can enter into force. This is currently scheduled to take place 1 Jauary 2010.

The global implications of this once fully implemented are truly scary.
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October 7, 2009 10:36am
toad

@RightNow 10:24 am

“Columbus Carter”. Brilliant! Almost as good as “Double Dipton”.
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October 7, 2009 10:38am
getstaffed

Ms greenfly – today’s breathless, and if I may say – desperate – trolling is a step up, even for you.
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October 7, 2009 10:41am
XChequer

Once again VI, no.

Letterman’s very public mea culpa on his show the other night ( a video of which is currently on YouTube) garnered significant positive press in the US media – even to the point that it spiked his ratings.

Given that Key appeared before the story broke and only met Letterman himself briefly lends no credence to your attempt to give this story some life that it doesn’t have.

You then say this in the post above:

“Ha! It’s died, hadn’t you noticed? Or do you think it’s still a live issue? Can’t see any signs of it anywhere .”

Has this aspect of this “story” that you so fervently are pushing surfaced in the MSM? I, for one, Can’t see any signs of it anywhere”.

I respect your opinion that Keys visit has been tarnished however the world doesn’t seem to share it and the validation that you seem so desperate to receive on this “issue” doesn’t really seem to be forthcoming.
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October 7, 2009 10:44am
Johnboy

Good comment here from Rob Ffye–all hot air he says. 🙂

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10601656

No specific mention of Chrissies carbon footprint but it must be HUGE. 🙂
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October 7, 2009 10:46am
philu

gee..!..rightnow..

speaking of ‘corruption’..

d’yareckon the auditor-general is having fun raking thru englishs ‘trust details/changes/timelines..?

mmm..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 7, 2009 10:46am
village idiot

Thankyou getstaffed – you’ll have an opinion on Pita Sharples seemingly unilateral declaration on Maori Television coverage of the Rugby World Cup? Cabinet hadn’t given him the go-ahead, but Key had! This doesn’t concern you? Key’s snarky response to the public must have both pissed Sharples off (it was an insult) and cheered Key’s rednecked followers who don’t want the Maoris to get influence over their lives and their rugby!
It was a shameful episode, in my view.
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October 7, 2009 10:47am
RightNow

Village Dipstick, no publicity is bad publicity as they say. Although Letterman is formulaic bread and butter humour that only gets watched in my house if the competition is infomercials, the show has a huge global audience. Furthermore Letterman is not “now-disgraced”. If anything it’s probably earned him some kudos from people who normally wouldn’t watch him because he’s just so safe and mainstream.
Anyway, you’re certainly lacking in substantial material today if that’s the best you can come up with. How about you tell me if you think Metiria was ‘ripped’ in this show: http://www.tv3.co.nz/7-Days—0106/tabid/742/articleID/61634/cat/711/Default.aspx
(scan through just past half way)
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October 7, 2009 10:48am
RightNow

phlu, hate to burst your bubble but English is not under the microscope for ‘corruption’. Furthermore he’s done nothing illegal, and frankly even the question of whether what he did was ‘moral’ is paling given the revelations about the greens’ housing rort and Chris Columbus’ extra travel expenditure.
Did you stay at Galbraiths long enough to have a session out in the courtyard phlu?
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October 7, 2009 10:51am
Patrick Starr

“who don’t want the Maoris to get influence over their lives and their rugby!”

THEIR rugby? – (that one must be in the treaty right next to maori seats on the auckland council)
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October 7, 2009 10:54am
getstaffed

you’ll have an opinion on Pita Sharples seemingly unilateral declaration on Maori Television coverage of the Rugby World Cup?

Ms greenfly – given the choice of either subjecting myself to your scripted trolling, or watching rugby with Maori commentary, you will hear me asking where the remote is.
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October 7, 2009 10:57am
Patrick Starr

rightnow – yep Metiria was ripped – but what was VI saying about ‘tacky’ on Letterman?
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October 7, 2009 11:04am
philu

“..RightNow (302) Vote: Add rating 2 Subtract rating 0 Says:
October 7th, 2009 at 10:51 am

phlu, hate to burst your bubble but English is not under the microscope for ‘corruption’. Furthermore he’s done nothing illegal,.”

i’m sorry..rightnow..

but what english is being investigated for is most definitely corruption..

(namely..the altering of trust documents purely to become eligible for even more entitlements..is illegal/corruption..

and hey..!..

perception is all..eh..?

and the perception now is ..’double-dip-bill-from-dip[ton’..

and i can’t see that fading anytime soon..

it is a big stinking albatross he has hanging around his kneck..

and is clearly visible..

whenever he rises to speak..

..to preach ‘belt-tightening’..for everybody else..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 7, 2009 11:06am
Jack5

Phlying Philu cheers for the fall of America at 9.53 in another of his blog trips…

Philu: consider the downside of what would happen in NZ if Mad Mao’s political descendants took over this country?

Some poor bugger would end up with your rooted kidneys as the commissars eliminated the non-working classes.
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October 7, 2009 11:11am
Patrick Starr

Phool – in your desperate attempt to keep alive the English lack of judgement why not share around some of the disdain for the green party taxpayer rip-off that you demonstrate over at frog

“phil u Posted October 6, 2009 at 5:25 PM
y’know..i am on the record..going way back..saying i thought your super-scheme set-up was far too ‘clever trevor’..(never mind the ‘ungreeness’ of planning to ride the housing bubble….(and further profit from that..)and that it wasn’t a ‘good look’..and that one day this whole ‘clever trevor’ deal …. would bite you in the arse….that day would appear to be here..and..’all your own work’..eh..? phil(whoar.co.nz) “
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October 7, 2009 11:16am
village idiot

XChequer – Letterman bores me and Key’s appearance bored me rigid. It was a passing comment, which nevertheless I believe to be valid. Don’t read too much into it.

As for the ‘positive press’ Letterman received after cynically ‘coming out’ on his show – I hope you are joking.
He has been cheating on his wife, having sex with his peers. Are you big-noting him for that? If Key did it, would you be okay with it because, “it garnered significant positive press’ ?
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October 7, 2009 11:16am
nickb

So philu, whats your spin on the situation where we have the Greens arranging their Super Fund and accomodation so as to make the maximum profit possible off the taxpayer? Interested on your thoughts on this.
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October 7, 2009 11:18am
village idiot

Kudos RightNow, KUDOS ! You must be joking! He has cheated on his wife. Kudos! Do you have a wife RightNow? Does she say, “Kudos”?
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October 7, 2009 11:20am
RightNow

phlu, I don’t think there are many MP’s that can preach ‘belt-tightening’ without being thought of as hypocrites. Greens? Nope, rorting the housing allowance. Labour? Nope – not with Christopher Columbus in their party. Progressives? Nope, they’re really part of Labour but are rorting the system for extra funding as a separate party.
However on the matter of the trust documents I think he’ll be cleared by the AG. I fully support your right to have a different opinion on this and look forward to the forthcoming ellipsis-abuse that will no doubt ensue.
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October 7, 2009 11:21am
RightNow

Hey VD, yes that’s right, KUDOS! Like it or not that’s the way of the world buddy.
Yes I have a wife and no I don’t cheat on her. Not that my life is in any way similar to David Letterman’s. Regardless of morals in the matter, he is in the entertainment industry and sleaze and gossip sells.
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October 7, 2009 11:26am
village idiot

Let’s look at it another way. had Key not already appeared on Letterman, would he go on now, to be questioned by an outed wife-cheater?

Nope.

Yes RightNow – sleaze and gossip sells – but is that how John Key wants to be sold?
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October 7, 2009 11:27am
Patrick Starr

“would he go on now, to be questioned by an outed wife-cheater? ” – well he appears in the house during question time with no problems
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October 7, 2009 11:45am
RightNow

VD – why do you bother? Really, I mean you are asking a hypothetical question after something has already happened.
It’s all done and dusted, it is what it is. I know you have a hard time accepting reality because you’re a member of the la-la gang but that’s it, full-time whistle has gone. To be honest, I think it would have been better for Key to go on the show soon after Letterman’s mea culpa, as the audience numbers were bound to be much higher. Frankly I don’t care about other people’s personal lives, and that includes Letterman’s.
Here, set this as your home-page: http://www.nzwomansweekly.co.nz/
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October 7, 2009 11:54am
village idiot

RightNow – you are right. I’m over it. Do you think John Key will follow through with his expressed desire to meet with the Dalai Lama?

(International politics, right – not ‘other people’s personal lives).
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October 7, 2009 11:59am
RightNow

Re the Dalai Lama I sure hope he does. Ever since I read Tintin in Tibet as a youngster I have had a bit of a fascination with the Tibetan monks. I understand it is sensitive regarding trade implications with China, but am ever hopeful that two things will happen. First that a NZ Prime Minister will take a moral stance on the matter and meet with the Dalai Lama in spite of the wishes of China. Second that the Chinese government will come around and soften their stance on Tibet (and Falun Gong).

Perhaps John Key also liked Tintin in Tibet and that will over-ride the diplomatic concerns…
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October 7, 2009 12:11pm
philu

gee starr..!

thanks for illustrating i am not a mindless apologist for my ideology of choice…

(unlike yourself..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 7, 2009 12:15pm
village idiot

getstaffed – ‘raumamao’ – that’s the word you’re looking for, raumamao, remote (for your telly, so that you can watch the rugger).
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October 7, 2009 12:18pm
Patrick Starr

“thanks for illustrating i am not a mindless apologist for my ideology of choice…(unlike yourself..?..)”

I think you’ll find the righties will out their own far quicker than you lefties – Richard Worth perhaps?

good on you for pointing this out the taxpayer theft by the mindless melon goose steppers – shame to dont think more deeply on the issue though………… (taxpayer theft)
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October 7, 2009 12:25pm
Kris K

virtualmark 9:46 am,

Luc,

“I disagree that Palestinians have shown themselves to be self-destructive. There are two problems with that statement. One is that it is, I am sorry to say, inherently racist.” I don’t think you went on to point out the second problem, but there’s more than enough to go on here already.

I stand by my comment that the Palestinians are self-destructive. And no, that’s not a racist statement, it’s a simple analytical one. [continues]

Excellent rebuff Virtualmark.
As you clearly outlined in your comment: The (so called) Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Israel’s very existence is a slap in the face to the Muslim world; and shows that Mohammed is a false prophet, Islam is a false religion, and Allah is a false God (likely Satan himself, or one of his high ranking generals IMHO).
The ongoing ‘plight’ of the Palestinians is maintained to justify continued terrorism against the state of Israel. This is, I believe, the primary reason why they were never absorbed into Jordan, etc.

And it is not world opinion, or that of the UN, that will determine Israel’s continued existence and provide for her ongoing protection from those sworn to her destruction: It is the sovereign God in heaven that has sworn to watch over His people that will determine their future. Nations that undermine God’s intentions in this regard will be judged in respect to their persecution of the nation of Israel. Those that support Israel will be blessed by God. That is why I believe the US has been the dominant world superpower to date – perhaps the most ‘blessed’ nation in modern history – because of her support for Israel. Under Obama this support is already diminishing; this will likely result in the US’s further decline.

Man in his arrogance thinks he has all the answers, but it is the sovereign creator God that ultimately guides all human history.
Regarding peace in the Middle East and Israel, especially Jerusalem He says this:

Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Zec 12:4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.
Zec 12:5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.
Zec 12:6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.
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October 7, 2009 12:25pm
philu

“..mindless melon goose steppers ..”

i’m confused..!

i thought you thought they were commies..

but goose-stepping is traditionally associated with fascism/nazi-ideology..

what gives..?

make yr fucken mind up..!..eh..?

nazi..?..commie..?..nazi..?..commie..?

or are you just demonstrating how terminally ‘confused’ you are..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 7, 2009 12:30pm
pentwig

Idiot

What has happened? It appears that since Monday you have lost your mojo.

Your usual vitriol generally contained at least an attempt at a tiny bit of humour/sarcasism.

Now it only gutter snipes, and poor ones at that.

You need a good cup of elderberry tea and a few lessons with phool doing yoga. Further, next Saturday night YOU pick the movie.
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October 7, 2009 12:47pm
Tassman

How is it that no one mentions what Chris Carter was promoting all over the world? I doubt it if he was warning the poor people of the world about the approahing earthquakes and tsunamis. But if he was spending all that tax payer money promoting what I think he was promoting, OMG!!!

Well, it was during Labour’s reign that hundreds of thousands was spent on trans surgeries, but this government has so far refused treatment of an obese man because he is real man….
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October 7, 2009 12:48pm
Tassman

Letterman has not only publicly humiliated his wife, but has also rubbed salt to the wound by making fun of it and using all other excuses as an apology. He is a real lowlifer!
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October 7, 2009 12:51pm
nickb

Tassman, all is excused in Carter’s situation, the media were clearly only picking on him because he is gay.

Tosser.
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October 7, 2009 12:54pm
RightNow

Tassman, what exactly was it that Chris Columbus Carter was promoting all over the world? Where are the returns on our investment? What benefits has NZ seen as a result? What happened to your brain to cause it to become shrivelled and non-functional? Why don’t you write to your MP about the obese man not getting his operation if you are really concerned about his welfare and not just being a dick?
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October 7, 2009 1:03pm
village idiot

Tassman said:

Letterman has not only publicly humiliated his wife, but has also rubbed salt to the wound by making fun of it and using all other excuses as an apology. He is a real lowlifer!

RightNow said:

Furthermore Letterman is not “now-disgraced”. If anything it’s probably earned him some kudos..

Thrust! Meet Parry!
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October 7, 2009 1:42pm
Patrick Starr

Phool – yes you are confused.

Do either of these look like fascist nazi?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Changing_Guard_Alexander_Garden_Moscow.hires.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Santiago_de_Cuba_-_Garde_au_Mausol%C3%A9e_Jos%C3%A9_Marti.JPG
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October 7, 2009 1:45pm
village idiot

RightNow – re- the Dalai Lama, I’m with you. Let’s keep an eye on it and swap notes when the issue rolls around.

Penty – I know, I’ve been to subtle for ya! Sorry!
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October 7, 2009 1:47pm
village idiot

Wouldn’t it be fun to ask Key what he thinks of Letterman’s infidelities!

‘Kudos’, do ya reckon?

‘Kudos’?
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October 7, 2009 1:50pm
RightNow

VD, re Tassman re Letterman…WTFman? I can’t see Tassman being enamoured of Letterman in the first place so there’s no surprise in that comment (let’s face it, Letterman is white and Tassman doesn’t like whites but that doesn’t make him racist unless he is actually white as that is the main criteria for being racist but if he is white then not liking whites simply makes him angst-ridden rather than racist so we can conclude on the information we have that Tassman is not racist he just doesn’t like whites).

re the Dalai Lama, I’m all in for a notes-swap. You give me a hunjy for every fiver I give you ok?
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October 7, 2009 1:57pm
RightNow

BTW VD, seems like you still need to reset your homepage since you’re still hung up on the celebrity gossip. Try this one: http://perezhilton.com/
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October 7, 2009 2:02pm
village idiot

Done. Send your fiver now.

What do you reckon Key would say about Letterman (let’s imagine Key’s wife is in the room as he answers, shall we)?

Kudos?
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October 7, 2009 2:05pm
starboard

Well, it was during Labour’s reign that hundreds of thousands was spent on trans surgeries, but this government has so far refused treatment of an obese man because he is real man….

you’ll get the treatment Tassman… keep ya chin up…
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October 7, 2009 2:13pm
siobhan

“soibhan – I could hardly care less about the ‘tide’ that is washing over Field and Carter. Couldn’t care less.

You have no opinion about the effect of the Letterman revelations on Key’s exposure? ”

No I don’t have an opinion as it is a non event. Get a grip for goodness sake. If we measured famous people and politicians on fidelity our parliaments would be empty and Greenpeace would have no famous people to sell us Global Warming.
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October 7, 2009 2:16pm
Jack5

Village idiot continues his tantrum over Key on Letterman.

You would think idiot would love Letterman, given the American TV host is a man of the Left, anti-Bush and anti-Palin, pro-Obama, and chummy with the lightweight liberals of Hollywood.

If Letterman had been born in NZ, and if his mum, Mrs Letterman, had dropped baby Letterman onto his head on her tile floor every day for a month, David Letterman might have grown up with precisely the same world view as idiot.
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October 7, 2009 2:17pm
siobhan

Has Tassman not heard of an “off” switch, or maybe too thick to change channels. If you don’t like letterman, don’t watch.

Oh I know, it was because the clip was on the news – you didn’t have to sit through it. Hey, but life would be miserable if you didn’t have something inane to bitch about.
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October 7, 2009 2:21pm
village idiot

Hey, but life would be miserable if you didn’t have something inane to bitch about.

siobhan – you slay me! Best line ever!

I’m retiring now. Thanks all.
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October 7, 2009 2:24pm
RightNow

VD, I sent two fivers, where’s my hunjies? I hope you didn’t ask phlu to drop them off to me, there’s like a dozen tinnie-houses between his place and mine.
Re Key’s views on Letterman, I doubt he thinks highly of Letterman in the light of his revelations. From what I can tell Key is a devoted family man, and frankly I like that about him. NZ needs strong families to resist the immorality of left-liberalism. Two parents (natural mother and father) who raise the children together. It’s like choosing whether or not to have your children immunised. We can tolerate a small percentage of parents who don’t as long as most do, but if too many don’t it leads to epidemics.
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October 7, 2009 2:26pm
siobhan

“I’m retiring now. Thanks all.”

Thank goodness for that – you won’t be missed.
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October 7, 2009 2:30pm
Brian Smaller

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/2940919/Obama-TV-skit-slammed-as-filth

That is the funniest thing I have read all day. Apparently masturbating to a picture of Obama is filth. Someone better tell the MSM that.
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October 7, 2009 2:47pm
Kris K

Brian Smaller 2:47 pm,

That is the funniest thing I have read all day. Apparently masturbating to a picture of Obama is filth. Someone better tell the MSM that.

Exactly!
While perhaps bad taste, this certainly describes the attitude of the liberal MSM toward Obamination. You can just see them all lined up in their respective booths waiting for the countdown to begin. Maybe that’s where the term ‘one eyed’ originated from.
There seem to be a few diehard fans that still regard our previous Fuhrer in a similar vein. Blind one eyed adoration.

Regarding Obama though, perhaps the practice would be ok if you were a black homosexual spilling seed so that you and your queer partner could ‘father’ a child through a stand-in mum. Obama couldn’t be offended at that as he’s all for queer rights.
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October 7, 2009 3:20pm
Brian Smaller

Kris K – I wouldn’t go that far but when you have that MSNBC anchor talking about tingles running up and down his leg, and another one comparing Obama to God, wanking to his picture is not a big step.
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October 7, 2009 3:28pm
Pete George

“NZ needs strong families to resist the immorality of left-liberalism. ”

What does NZ need to resist the immorality of the rest?
If I believe in strong families does that make me not a leftie-liberal?
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October 7, 2009 3:31pm
Kris K

Pete George 3:31 pm,

If the last nine years under Labour are indicative of the liberal left (which they are), then we have observed the greatest destruction of family values in our country’s history. The laws we have seen implemented over this same period are predominantly ‘anti family’. My personal view is that to have a ‘strong family’ you need to be a ‘conservative righty’. Just my opinion of course.
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October 7, 2009 3:47pm
village idiot

to have a ’strong family’ you need to be a ‘conservative righty’.

You scally-wag Kris!
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October 7, 2009 3:56pm
philu

oh look..!..it’s kkk..

speaking up for all the racist/homophobic christians..

(don’t they just ‘love’ to ‘hate’..?..eh..?..those racist /homophobic christians..?

and just so full of the milk of human kindness..

and so eager to heed the urgings of their spiritual father..to hate homosexuals..and to be racist..

(what’s that you say..?..that isn’t the teachings of jesus..?

whoar..!

has anyone told those racist-homophobes..pertending to be ‘christians’..?

that they aren’t..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 7, 2009 3:56pm
RightNow

damn, someone just puked a load of ellipses all over my monitor
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October 7, 2009 4:10pm
Kris K

I really DO annoy you, don’t I Phil.

My motto is actually hate the sin, love the sinner. But you seem unable to differentiate between the two. And that really is your problem and not mine. Oh and phil, drug taking is a sin too. And I have no hesitation in telling you so. But, Phil, if you repent of it, and your other sins, receive Christ as your Lord and Saviour, then even YOU can become a child of God.

If that’s what it takes, them my job is to annoy the ‘hell’ out of you.
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October 7, 2009 4:17pm
village idiot

Kris – “Obamination” – Crikey! That’s good!

Hate the sin, love the sinner.

Love Obama, do you?
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October 7, 2009 4:32pm
village idiot

RightNow – you’ve got me thinking, with this:

Key is a devoted family man, and frankly I like that about him

then this:

Two parents (natural mother and father) who raise the children together.

and

We can tolerate a small percentage of parents who don’t as long as most do

and, you’ll have to help me out here, Key’s father , we don’t hear much about him. Did he die when Jonny was a wee boy (I mean no disespect, I just don’t know)

I’m kinda hoping that Key was brought up in a family that had;

Two parents (natural mother and father) who raise the children together.

or, by your reckoning, there is cause for concern.

Even if he didn’t have the ideal two parent, natural mum and dad up-bringing, I suppose we can tolerate that, don’t you think?
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October 7, 2009 4:41pm
philu

“..I really DO annoy you, don’t I Phil…”

yeah..racist/homophobe christians ..preaching their hatred..do push a few of my buttons..

it’s the blinding ignorance/perversion of the teachings of their spiritual master..

..wrapped in a cloak of false sanctimony/condemnation of others..that does it..

“..Oh and phil, drug taking is a sin too..”

water into wine..?..anyone..?

and hey..!..i missed that bit in the bible..(against pot..?..)

got a quote/reference for us..?

or..did you just make that one up..?..(in the heat of the moment..)

“..And I have no hesitation in telling you so…”

(there is that sanctimonious condemnation i was talking about..eh..?..)

and ‘hell’..eh..?

see..i wd consider it a form of ‘hell’ to have such a twisted/fucked-up/hate-filled mind/view of the world..

..as yourself..

and no..you don’t really ‘annoy’ me..

it’s more ‘contempt’..that i feel..for the likes of you..

and hey..despite yr ‘i’m special’ view of the world..

you lot are as common as muck…

and display about as much intellectual rigor…

..as a lump of dirt..

(ignorance writ large..eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 7, 2009 4:48pm
Patrick Starr

geez Phool – your mindless melon goose stepper mate just had a good crack at you over on the other thread

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/ipredict_accuracy.html#comment-615961

I would have thought you two would have been good bong buddies? – but obviously you really annoy him too
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October 7, 2009 6:30pm
Hurf Durf

Every cretinous dribbling by phool and greenmong accelerates my already rampant desire to see the Gween Party banned and its membership and voter base executed.
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October 7, 2009 6:38pm
Tauhei Notts

Am I the only one who is becoming perturbed at this vilification of Letterman because Letterman had a stray root? But it was with a woman. Somehow I think there would be less criticism of him if his sexual partner was a man.
The possibility exists that the criticism would be less virulent if his sexual partner had received a pre-determined sum of money, and was habitually in the business of providing such services.
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October 7, 2009 6:42pm
village idiot

Tauhei – yes.

Hurf – rampant! Like a whitebait with rigormortis.
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October 7, 2009 6:46pm
Johnboy

Jeez phil what shift are you working in the clown suit today? You seem to have been here all day. Did they sack you for stealing the kiddies happy meals?
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October 7, 2009 6:47pm
Steve

Phool may have been caught making happy cookies at rotten ronalds ….
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October 7, 2009 7:09pm
Kris K

Johnboy, you crack me up!

And I thought it was all the dope he smoked that was the reason for his happy disposition.
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