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October 16, 2009 8:02am by David Farrar

General Debate 16 October 2009

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Hurf Durf

Phool, you twat, China is more capitalist than the United States. Are you protesting in front of the Chinese embassy about exploitation and the rich-poor gap there? Or do you sit in the front room in your boxers wanking to pictures of 19 year old enviro-communists vandalising ships?

Gween Party scum need to be dragged into the streets in the middle of the night and shot in the mouth.
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October 16, 2009 7:52pm
dad4justice

Amen to that last line Hurf Durf. The gweens need a lesson in manners and respect. The sick joke has gone on for far too long!
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October 16, 2009 7:57pm
jabba

tripewryter .. that is true and I was a little worried people would say as you did .. I would never use a sad occasion like that as an attack on someone ( as many have said .. they have children, or in my case grandchildren that age) who is sharing their sorrow BUT I have had enough of the tanned one to last a lifetime, and NO, it’s not because he is gay.
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October 16, 2009 8:19pm
Pete George

Even if it’s trying to be funny that’s nasty stuff Hurf.
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October 16, 2009 8:22pm
Manolo

“..maybe being harsh BUT how do we get this fkwit out of our lives?”

Deport Peter Kaiser. Carter will follow him. 🙂
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October 16, 2009 8:26pm
getstaffed

Has anyone noticed a recent influx of new’ish commenters here recently?

I think it’s great… and vindication of the idea that news should to be created, consumed and peer reviewed simultaneously. Well done DPF!
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October 16, 2009 8:30pm
philu

so hurf..you won’t want to be on my christmas card list..?

i take it..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 16, 2009 8:42pm
jabba

actung .. I think I have cracked the Redalert comment deletion from Trev .. post comments on Friday nights when he’s putting his shot in Taupo
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October 16, 2009 8:47pm
philu

guess what i just did..?

i just sat in the drivers’ seat of that wicked pursuit boat from the sea-shepherd..

(the earth-race boat)..

the one that is going to be giving the japanese whalers much grief this summer..

and it is one very cool powerboat…

(think early batman/gotham city..but cooler..!

high theatre…)

i couldn’t help but chuckle..

when sitting in that drivers’ seat…

imagining how much fun this baby would be to drive..

with a suitable soundtrack booming out of the speakers..

(for the encounters with the japanese..

can i suggest the soundtrack to battle scenes from kurosawa movies..?

that would scare the bejeesus out of them..

eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 16, 2009 8:50pm
reid

How big is it phil (feet not metres), and what’s it powered with?
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October 16, 2009 9:04pm
philu

fifty feet..?..

dunno about the engine..

but it goes like the clappers..

so i’m told…

it has art-deco gull wings and things..

..and bulbous bits..

like i said..

boat as ‘high theatre’..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 16, 2009 9:08pm
village idiot

reid – biodiesel. Could run on whale oil I suppose.
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October 16, 2009 9:16pm
reid

50′ is buggar all phil. It apparently houses 8 crew. And you’re a man and you didn’t ask about the engine? Phil, …

Yeh I know it runs on biodiesel VI, I want to know the horsepower and the handling and such like
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October 16, 2009 9:16pm
village idiot

Cummins Mercruiser 1080hp
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October 16, 2009 9:20pm
philu

“..50′ is buggar all phil. It apparently houses 8 crew..”

it is tight inside…

bordering on claustrophobic..

but they will have sea shepherd as their mother-ship..

i’m picking we’ll be getting some good vid from this..

and nah..!..i like driving things..

but the eyes glaze over when talk turns to things engine..

..so no..i don’t instigate those conversations..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 16, 2009 9:25pm
philu

think batmobile..on the water..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 16, 2009 9:29pm
dad4justice

I think phool has been smoking strange stuff beamed down by the Battlestar Galactica.
Batman hates useless lying greenie lazy dreamer sods.
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October 16, 2009 9:31pm
jabba

philu .. you really do say some dumb arse things BUT you may have noticed that you get plenty of thumbs up when you make comments that are rational .. they maybe anti right but as long as they are fair they are accepted .. if anyone made anti left comments at the std they would be slagged off without mercy ,, that’s the difference with the left and right.
is that fair?
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October 16, 2009 9:35pm
village idiot

jabba – read the post above yours and reflect on your question.
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October 16, 2009 9:43pm
dad4justice

Get a sense of humour greenflee you stale odour.
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October 16, 2009 9:44pm
jabba

VI .. OIC .. sorry, wasn’t concentrating
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October 16, 2009 9:48pm
village idiot

My lack thereof, dad, is my greatest regret.
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October 16, 2009 9:54pm
dad4justice

You are a pathetic chap Mike.
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October 16, 2009 9:59pm
Luc Hansen

Lucy (and others), you need to lie back and consider the proven consensus of scientists in general and climatologists in particular. I am always amazed that people who rant on about democracy and the right of the majority to have their wishes fulfilled (and I am not suggesting you are one, but if you think smacking referendum and Whanganui/Wanganui, you will see what I mean) then side with what can only be termed the “Fox News type lunatic fringe” on complex issues requiring a great deal of knowledge and study to arrive at a sensible conclusion.

Here is a link to a University of Chicago 2008 survey

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-01/uoia-ssa011609.php

To save you the effort of tearing you away from your current read for too long, the significant findings are:

90% of scientists believe the earths temp has risen since pre-1800

82% of those believe the cause is at least in part human activities, rising to 97% of climate scientists.

People like Plimer are self-interested mischief makers, in my opinion, often acting for a specific industrial activity identified as a major contributor to the problem.

The debate is really not about the fact of global warming or its major causes, but rather how to best address the problem.

You may find this site, set up by Bjorn Lomberg (“The Sceptical Environmentalist”) helpful:

http://www.copenhagenconsensus.com/CCC%20Home%20Page.aspx
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October 16, 2009 10:09pm
Luc Hansen

An NBR article on ticket scalping

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/ticket-scalpers-nzs-unsung-entrepreneurs-113500

My question is this, why don’t promotors of high demand events sell their public quota tickets via an online auction system, essentially getting their scalping in first, then let the free market take over from there?

Or is this too much free market for a free market economy to handle?
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October 16, 2009 10:38pm
Hurf Durf

The world will end unless we all reject the industrial revolution and go back to straw huts and nomadic herding, as Mother Gaia intended!

…Sorry, I was possessed by George Monbiot there for a second.
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October 16, 2009 10:46pm
jabba

not sure what you mean re my fav subject .. the H .. there isn’t a person on planet earth that will convince me that Wanganui should have a the H included .. if you are suggesting people are focusing on what are considered low priority issues then yes, there are far more important subjects BUT it is important to me.
My God ,, do a spell check on Wanganui .. it suggests wanking hahaahahah .. put in Whanganui in basic spell check in Microsoft and it suggests Wanganui .. I’m so confused .. could be the Whisky of course
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October 16, 2009 10:53pm
LUCY

Luc, Luc, Luc. You poor little misguided poppet. There is no proven consensus of scientist on climate change thats a myth.

Science is not proven by computor modelling, it is proven by hard evidence as found in the history of the earth and the changes to the climate that have happened over time without any help from man. Do the Roman and Medievil warming periods ring a bell? Does the Ice age or the mini Ice age that we have just come out of mean anything to you? Does the fact, witnessed by history, that warming periods have always meant prosperity and growth whereas cooling usually means hardship and famine.

I realise that you and your little friends egos are so fragile that you cant possibly entertain the idea that man does not control the climate any more that king Canute could turn back the tide. And can you please point me to one serious debate on this issue that resulted in any type of ‘consensus’?

Poor old carbon dioxide gets a bum rap from you too. Why? it is not a pollutant. The vast majority of CO2 (95%) is over the oceans not the land.

I could go on and on but the others of this blog will get bored because they, unlike you know what Im on about.

Night Night.
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October 16, 2009 11:23pm
Herman Poole

Umm Luc,

I’m very much in disagreement with anthropogenic climate catastrophe and I agree with those two statements.

You are so thick.
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October 16, 2009 11:45pm
Pete George

Lucy, Lucy, Lucy, have you been reading too much Plimer? Why did he call his book Heaven and Earth when he is such an outspoken critic of creationism?

Is there any “proven consensus of scientist” on anything?

Do you have any hard evidence that humans have had no affect on climate? The fact that climate always varies is irrelevant to the argument apart from making it difficult to determine how much effect humans may have on it.

Warming periods have not made places like the Sahara more prosperous. Human population densities have never been like they are now – there is far less room to maneuver if some areas become less productive.

I don’t think anyone will have claimed that man can control the climate. The debate is over significant effect or not.

Too much of any gas in the wrong place, including CO2, can be a pollutant.

I’m interested about your claim that 95% of CO2 is over the oceans, which cover about 70% of the earth. Are you referring to on the surface or total atmosphere?

I’m not sure what you are on about either. Are you claiming that humans have no affect on climate anywhere on earth? Or an insignificant effect on climate? Or that we do have an effect but can’t do anything about it? Or that we could have an effect but shouldn’t bother doing anything about it?
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October 17, 2009 5:17am
MikeNZ

insignificant compared to the sun I think is the thinking.
but its not in isolation.
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October 17, 2009 7:42am
Luc Hansen

Lucy, I understand scientists like Plimer doing as he is paid to do, but what’s your angle?

And there is a consensus on global warming, a consensus that it is largely, this time, human induced, and that it is important that we do something. For some reason, flat-earthers see this as some sort of threat instead of the opportunity it can be.

It’s the same with creationists. Something like 97% of scientists worldwide accept the evidence that life has evolved, not been created in stroke. Why go out on such a ridiculous limb of denial? Why not just accept the consensus and adapt?

Your stance seems to be that today’s warming is part of normal planetary cycles, but, as I have pointed out above, 82% of climatologists agree it is not.

And, what’s more, it appears we can largely avert mass population transfers, wars etc (although I doubt anything can save Kiribati) by taking some relatively simple actions while working hard on technology to replace the fossil fuels.

The fact that there are some fringe benefits in the long run to certain lucky areas does not counter the overwhelmingly negative effect to the world as a whole.

It seems, for you, very much a matter of: “Je sais bien, mais quand même…” and so catastrophe awaits…

Finally, you misunderstand the point of the King Canute story. A frustrated Canute took his people down to the beach to show that he was NOT possessed of God-like powers and he could not, for example, turn back the tides. It was a training exercise for his staff on the limits of his powers.
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October 17, 2009 7:52am
MikeNZ

Luc where can i read your source data on the 97%
I’ve looked at loads of that stuff the past 10 yrs and never has that figure every been shown as accurate.

oh and while you’re at it the 82% as well
as you’re iffy somewhere you’re bound to be iffy elsehwre, it’s the nature of your ideology.

as for your manipulation of King Canute wtf is that all you can bring to the table?
really that is so puerile, it wasn’t even funny.
you should write to brian smaller he’s good at it.
if you’re going to go down this route you’ll end up getting treated like philu.
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October 17, 2009 12:39pm
Luc Hansen

Mike, I posted the link above, here is the relevant extract: In analyzing responses by sub-groups, Doran found that climatologists who are active in research showed the strongest consensus on the causes of global warming, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role.
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October 17, 2009 4:58pm
Luc Hansen

Oh, and I see it’s OK for your side to misrepresent history, myths or legends, but it’s not OK for me to set the record straight.

Have I got that right?
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