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October 12, 2009 7:27am by David Farrar

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Hurf Durf

Public transport = pubic fail. Even when the motorway is gridlocked, it still takes half as long to get from the CBD to home by car than by train. 40 minutes in gridlock versus an hour and a half. There really is no contest.
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October 12, 2009 3:39pm
Ryan Sproull

Have you got a source for that, Ryan?

Nah, I was making a joke. There’s a common rumour that the “70 virgins” promised in Islam’s afterlife is actually referring to fruit.
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October 12, 2009 3:39pm
Ryan Sproull

Public transport = pubic fail. Even when the motorway is gridlocked, it still takes half as long to get from the CBD to home by car than by train. 40 minutes in gridlock versus an hour and a half. There really is no contest.

Must depend on where you are. I’m loving the fact that I’m eight minutes’ train from work – just moved to Meadowbank, working downtown Auckland CBD. It’s three or four times as long on the roads – and that’s by scooter, up the bus lanes and between traffic lines at lights. Can’t imagine doing it by car.
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October 12, 2009 3:43pm
village idiot

mmmmmmmm….peaches!
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October 12, 2009 3:50pm
Kris K

Ryan Sproull 3:39 pm,

Nah, I was making a joke. There’s a common rumour that the “70 virgins” promised in Islam’s afterlife is actually referring to fruit.

Very funny, but a bit obscure for me to get it first time.
I’m pretty sure the place I have citizenship for won’t have any ‘strange fruit’ there. But I do love the smell of roasted middle eastern apricots first thing in the morning.
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October 12, 2009 3:51pm
Kris K

… or peaches!
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October 12, 2009 3:53pm
Ryan Sproull

Yeah, looking forward to peaches being in season. I’ve got a great recipe for a dessert I want to try (and does involve roasting).
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October 12, 2009 3:55pm
Kris K

Ryan,

Is that ‘sizzle, sizzle, … nash, nash’?
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October 12, 2009 3:58pm
Pete George

Sounds like a crock to me Kris. Really. It’s like being told if you don’t vote for National you won’t get their tax cuts. But hey, I don’t think it will do you any harm with those sorts of beliefs, as long as you aren’t disappointed that others don’t buy tickets. When it comes to the crunch you will either have your lotto or you won’t be any the wiser (most likely).
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October 12, 2009 4:03pm
Kris K

Ryan,

Talking of which, have you tried Baklava?
A Turkish restaurant here in Wellington does it: Filo pastry wrapped around apricots with walnuts in a rich, sticky apricot sauce. Scrummy. Would go well in a Barbie or open wood fired oven I’m sure.
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October 12, 2009 4:04pm
village idiot

Kris – I’ve seen you labled KKK here, but that ‘strange fruit’ quip, wtf!!!

And….. No peaches in Heaven! You must be kidding! And you have ‘citizenship’ for that fruitless place?

You want to go there why ?
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October 12, 2009 4:09pm
Pete George

According to University of Arizona scientist Jonathan Overpeck:

“This is yet another paper that makes the future look more scary than previously thought by many.
If anyone still doubts the link between CO2 and climate, they should read this paper.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299426.stm
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October 12, 2009 4:11pm
Kris K

Pete George 4:03 pm,

I don’t think it will do you any harm with those sorts of beliefs, as long as you aren’t disappointed that others don’t buy tickets. When it comes to the crunch you will either have your lotto or you won’t be any the wiser (most likely).

The tickets are actually free; you just have to sign up for them. And I won’t be disappointed; more likely just extremely sad. Also, sadly, those that don’t have a ‘lotto’ ticket will be extremely wise after the fact, but it will be to no avail. There is definitely an application cut off date.
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October 12, 2009 4:12pm
CraigM

“Not into cruising on an assumption I’ve been licking the right backside.”

Before you spout more filth and hatred, just be thankful that you live in a country where you can abuse G_d so freely.

I’m not one to wear my faith on my sleave but comments such as yours cannot go unchallenged. I find your comments sickening.

My G_d bless you, for he knows your true feelings of inadequacy, shame and guilt.
There is light in the world and it will shine on whoever asks for it.

Your courage comes from hatefulness, not from rightousness.
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October 12, 2009 4:14pm
Kris K

village idiot 4:09 pm,

If you’re confused, Ryan will sort you out.
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October 12, 2009 4:15pm
village idiot

I hear the hollow sound of clap-trap!
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October 12, 2009 4:15pm
big bruv

Standing in a phone box are you Greenfly?
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October 12, 2009 4:17pm
village idiot

Ryan? Is he an Agent of God?
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October 12, 2009 4:17pm
Ryan Sproull

Ryan,

Talking of which, have you tried Baklava?
A Turkish restaurant here in Wellington does it: Filo pastry wrapped around apricots with walnuts in a rich, sticky apricot sauce. Scrummy. Would go well in a Barbie or open wood fired oven I’m sure.

Yeah, love them. I’ve never had a go at making them, though. Looks like a good recipe here.
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October 12, 2009 4:19pm
village idiot

On yer bike Bruv (you need to train, mate, to avoid the Train that’s coming your way!)
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October 12, 2009 4:20pm
Kris K

Ryan 4:19 pm,

Yeah, love them. I’ve never had a go at making them, though. Looks like a good recipe here.

Yum, have added it to my recipes.
Although I still reckon it needs those apricots – they missed them out in the recipe.
Possibly the way to a good woman’s heart. Us blokes need all the help we can get, eh?
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October 12, 2009 4:27pm
Pete George

Talking about strange fruit, that’s probably the saddest song I’ve heard. Billie Holiday – look it up on youtube if interested.
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October 12, 2009 4:29pm
Kris K

village idiot 4:20 pm,

On yer bike Bruv (you need to train, mate, to avoid the Train that’s coming your way!)

Good attempt at irony Greenfly – sadly it missed the mark.
It is actually you, and not Big Bruv, that the ‘train’ has in it’s sights.
Any hints you may be given regarding avoidance of said disaster are likely to go unheeded.
Sadly, it’s your loss.
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October 12, 2009 4:32pm
Ryan Sproull

Ryan? Is he an Agent of God?

Well, I’m an Agent of Nikolai…
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October 12, 2009 4:39pm
village idiot

pete – yes it is and kris’s use of the phrase was worrying – crosses burning in the night and all.

Kris – a ‘train’ has sights that can be set? How odd! Sounds more like a gun. You use worrying imagery.
Good use of ‘irony’ though, as in ‘iron horse’, railing against the inevitable, etc…

Hints? What hints?
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October 12, 2009 4:40pm
Ryan Sproull

Yum, have added it to my recipes.
Although I still reckon it needs those apricots – they missed them out in the recipe.
Possibly the way to a good woman’s heart. Us blokes need all the help we can get, eh?

Well, if you’re interested, this recipe‘s been pretty popular (accounting for over half of all hits on my blog).
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October 12, 2009 4:41pm
Kris K

Pete George 4:29 pm,

Talking about strange fruit, that’s probably the saddest song I’ve heard. Billie Holiday – look it up on youtube if interested.

Indeed.
There was another ‘strange fruit’ that was hanged on a ‘tree’ for your benefit, Cerium.
Although it was Him that was weeping for the likes of you that continue to reject Him.
But certainly there are parallels in that it was the innocent that were persecuted in both cases.
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October 12, 2009 4:42pm
village idiot

Are you in the Know?
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October 12, 2009 4:42pm
Ryan Sproull

Are you in the Know?

I’m in The N.O.
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October 12, 2009 4:44pm
village idiot

Jesus! I thought he was a fish!
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October 12, 2009 4:45pm
village idiot

I think you’re lyin’
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October 12, 2009 4:47pm
Kris K

Ryan 4:41 pm,

Well, if you’re interested, this recipe’s been pretty popular (accounting for over half of all hits on my blog).

Thanks, I think I just had a little orgiastic rush of saliva in my mouth.
Avocado and tomato would be one of my favourite savoury flavour combinations.
I reckon if you added pan fried smoky bacon (with the rind on) as a final garnish it would be a superb variation to your recipe.
Summer’s a comin’.
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October 12, 2009 4:53pm
Leg Break

OT, and not wanting to put anyone off their dinner or anything:

http://twitpic.com/l72rh
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October 12, 2009 5:01pm
Luc Hansen

Pete George @2:39 “My only regret is that I didn’t have more time to spend with my kids.”

Exactly, Pete. We decided that one parent would be full time with baby till she is two (and it’s only a year away). The way things worked out at the time the decision had to be made as to whom, I was the logical choice. Furthermore, I missed heaps of my earlier children growing up (they are now in their mid to late 30s) because of working ridiculous hours and building a business, so now I’m really enjoying the bonding I’m getting with baby – and my latest venture is in a holding pattern this time. Once baby starts pre-school, I will be able to step that up again.

We are lucky in that we have the luxury of that choice.
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October 12, 2009 5:25pm
Luc Hansen

I finally caught the Hannity-Moore interview.

We all know Hannity is probably certifiably insane, so little of what he says is a surprise. But one thing he did say is that there are millions, yes, millions of “them” want to kill “us.” I think he meant Muslims. Or maybe just anybody not like him.

The sad thing is that if he does mean Muslims, all they really want from us is to just leave them alone. That will happen, of course, when the oil runs out.

But Moore was a bit of a revelation too. He justified his Christianity and his more caring view of mankind in general with the statement that “one day we will be judged.”

Which introduces the dilemma of motivation. If you do good because you think you will be rewarded, is that reason for reward? And why can’t you do good just because it is good?

And who is the better person: he who does good simply because he can, or he who does good because he thinks some god demands it?
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October 12, 2009 5:38pm
village idiot

Leg Break – spelling mistake on the flag!
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October 12, 2009 5:41pm
Leg Break

@VI.

Spelling mistake?
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October 12, 2009 5:45pm
Kris K

Luc Hansen 5:38 pm,

But one thing he did say is that there are millions, yes, millions of “them” want to kill “us.” I think he meant Muslims. Or maybe just anybody not like him.

The sad thing is that if he does mean Muslims, all they really want from us is to just leave them alone.

If you really believe that Luc, then maybe you need to visit any of the following: France, England, Holland, Sweden, or the Islamified African sub continent. While you’re there have a chat with the non Muslim locals and get their opinion about just how benign Islam is.

“The sad thing is that if he does mean Muslims, all they really want from us is” for us to convert to their barbaric belief sytem, or they will kill us if we refuse, and those few lucky enough to not be murdered by the ‘religion of peace’ will be relegated to Dhimmis status and a life of servitude and revile.
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October 12, 2009 6:03pm
village idiot

Leg Break – yes!
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October 12, 2009 6:12pm
Luc Hansen

More freedom markers in ” the land of the free.”

Just heard this on RNZ Checkpoint: In 30 states in the great USA it is legally permitted to fire an employee who is outed as homosexual (including lesbians).

Is that a sick society or what?
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October 12, 2009 6:13pm
village idiot

Coleman and Lee – what a STINK!
National Party MPs – were there ever so many, so smelly, so quickly? Astonishing!
No wonder Key had ‘family business’ to attend to on the night of the by-election result!

Poo!
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October 12, 2009 6:14pm
Kris K

Luc Hansen 6:13 pm,

Just heard this on RNZ Checkpoint: In 30 states in the great USA it is legally permitted to fire an employee who is outed as homosexual (including lesbians).

Is that a sick society or what?

Some might say that it’s the remnants of what was an ‘enlightened society’.
A shame it’s only still the case in those 30 states.
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October 12, 2009 6:19pm
village idiot

Kris – I knew it! You’re a dangerous imbecile!

Crikey!
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October 12, 2009 6:22pm
Herman Poole

The sad thing is that if he does mean Muslims, all they really want from us is to just leave them alone. That will happen, of course, when the oil runs out.

I’m sure they really hate having something to sell to the rest of the world. They’ll be much better off without it, just living off the sand.
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October 12, 2009 6:28pm
village idiot

There it is!

Lord Ashcroft – Crime Stoppers – Dob in your neighbour – Pol Pot

Full circle National, you BEAUTIES!!!
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October 12, 2009 6:37pm
Herman Poole

Is that a sick society or what?

The last 10 films to top the box office in NZ:

The Ugly Truth
District 9
G.I. Joe
Harry Potter
Ice Age
Transformers
The Proposal
The Hangover
Terminator
Night At The Museum

1 saffer, 1 pom, 8 american

It seems your countrymen disagree with you.
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October 12, 2009 6:55pm
Kris K

village idiot 6:22 pm,

Kris – I knew it! You’re a dangerous imbecile!

Nah, I’m only dangerous TO imbeciles, and those that suffer from Christianophobia, Judgementophobia, and Intolerancophobia.
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October 12, 2009 7:16pm
village idiot

Kris – you say you are dangerous to various groups of people.

Dangerous in what way?
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October 12, 2009 7:35pm
MikeNZ

LUC
You need your head read or you’ve got rocks in it.

“We all know Hannity is probably certifiably insane, so little of what he says is a surprise. But one thing he did say is that there are millions, yes, millions of “them” want to kill “us.” I think he meant Muslims. Or maybe just anybody not like him.
The sad thing is that if he does mean Muslims, all they really want from us is to just leave them alone. That will happen, of course, when the oil runs out”.

OIL… Duh! “They just want to be left alone”.

Oil is a resource/currency not their worldview or Ideology.
They are never going to go away, they want every part of the earth under Sharia law incl NZ.
You have a choice to become a Muslim or a Dhimmi or die if you won’t get your mind right.
Who do you think pays for jihad, just some extremists?

Every Mosque in the world pays towards Dawa and Hija in all it’s forms.
August 16, 2009 – The Hijra – American Thinker – Janet Levy .
August 16, 2009 – Islam and Monoculture – American Thinker – Murphy Donovan

and finally what will happen to those who don’t become Dhimmis, as what has happened to the Jews in Islamic lands.
August 16, 2009 – Those ‘other refugees’ in Arab-Muslim lands – American Thinker – Ethel C. Fenig
But where will you go to?

Look up jihadwatch or dhimmiwatch and look at Islam 101 & Dhimmitude.
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October 12, 2009 7:49pm
Luc Hansen

Herman, I’m sorry to say there appears to be simply no serious thought evident in your posts above. In particular, in your last post, you seem to find an equivalence in fantasy and reality (am I right in assuming none of the above movies are docos?.

Kris K, we all understand that Muslim migrants are marginalised in large parts of Europe. These people have left horrendously poor and often violent circumstance and were accepted into those countries, but have been poorly treated. Over here, we seem to do a better job as our Muslim and other migrants feature no more in our crime stats, in fact, usually less, than the local population.

The fact is, the average Muslim on the street no more wants perpetual war than your average atheist, secularist, or even Christian. But the Wests continued attacks on Muslim lands is doing its level best to change this!

You are the unbalanced phobist around here, although just one of many, I’m sorry to say.
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October 12, 2009 7:54pm
starboard

..Mr Hansen…you would fit in very well at the UN…
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October 12, 2009 8:20pm
getstaffed

You are the unbalanced phobist around here, although just one of many, I’m sorry to say

What???! … and you’re holding yourself up as a model of rational balance? Hubris overdrive.
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October 12, 2009 8:45pm
Kris K

Is there any point even trying to debate our resident anti-Semite, pro Muslim, one eyed bigot?

I was going to respond to his 7:54 pm comment – but thought, ‘what’s the point?’

It’s got nothing to do, Luc, with so-called poor, marginalised Muslim migrants, and everything to do with Islam being a religion of violence and hate, and one which has as an end goal of global Islamic hegemony.

The “average Muslim on the street” is at least complicit by his silence, or is a sleeper waiting for the local Islamic population to reach critical mass before declaring his/their hand.
It is rather Islam which is attacking the west, either directly via terrorism, or through rampant immigration into western nations.

And if anyone around here is an “unbalanced phobist” it’s you. I consider myself a fairly balance realist. As are the majority around here.
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October 12, 2009 9:05pm
philu

“..I consider myself a fairly balance realist..(sic)…”

now that is comedy gold..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 12, 2009 9:09pm
starboard

..the reality is..where muslims go..trouble follows..it is fact..it is not made up..it is truth. Muslim love people like L Hansen..
handwringing sandal and sock wearing beard sprouting mung bean and tofu eating sickly white liberals…
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October 12, 2009 9:12pm
starboard

..no..your website is comedy gold whore…
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October 12, 2009 9:14pm
philu

hey..kkk..

how about christianity being ‘a religion of violence and hate’…?..(crusades/inquisitions/witch-burnings etc etc..

which often has had a goal of ‘global hegemony’..eh..?

and ‘islam is attacking the west’..eh..?

and there i was thinking the west has invaded iraq and afghanistan..

with real soldiers too..

(silly me..!..eh..?..)

you are almost a cartoonish caricature of what you are..eh..?

namely..a bog-standard one-eyed christian..

as common as muck..as thick as pig-shit..

and riddled with fears…maybe even ‘an “unbalanced phobist”..?

eh..?

but certainly a fool..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 12, 2009 9:17pm
starboard

your a dickhead phil urea..
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October 12, 2009 9:19pm
philu

and speaking of ‘a cartoonish caricature’..’as common as muck..as thick as pig-shit’.

there’s starbored..!

still searching for an idea/argument to make..?..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 12, 2009 9:20pm
Luc Hansen

MikeNZ

This is the stuff that wars are made of. You cherry pick the extremes of a 1400 year old religion, and the extremist adherents, and project that onto 1.57 billion people. It is completely wrong to wage war on 1.57 billion people for the actions of a very, very few extremists. There is no Muslim country whose government is advocating attacking its neighbours. Support these governments in rounding up lawbreakers is a correct and moral course of action. As is putting pressure on governments that overtly or covertly allow them to operate.

Extremist Christians abound in the US and reach high levels of government. Joe Lieberman, for example, running with Al Gore said: “Freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion.” Scary stuff.

Any country must be prepared to counter threats. But pre-emptive action, and threats of action, against illusory threats has caused a lot of anti-western feeling around the world and made us all less, not more safe.. The old maxim: “If you wish for peace prepare for war” is entirely sensible. But the sort of mad-headed stuff you guys write should be illegal.

starboard – thank you for the compliment

getstaffed – what a well though out, logical, compelling post. Shout yourself a Tui.
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October 12, 2009 9:22pm
philu

“..your website is comedy gold ..”

it is indeed..!

the ‘humour’ category in the archives has nearly 2200 entries/links..

and the ‘comics’ section has over 500 entries/links..

more ‘comedy gold’ than you can poke a stick at..

eh..?

where to go when you need a good belly-laugh..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 12, 2009 9:25pm
Kris K

Phool,

You really are an ignorant, hate filled, waste of space, blight on society.

I’m surprised DPF even gives you the oxygen to breath around here – maybe he sees something worthwhile about you. I know few others do.
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October 12, 2009 9:28pm
Kris K

To the rest of you I’ll bid you good night.

Phool’s poisoned the atmosphere and I have to leave.
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October 12, 2009 9:30pm
philu

no..kkk..

you are the ‘ignorant, hate filled’ one..

you hate muslims..and constantly preach that hatred against them..

i don’t ..

i’m not preaching hatred against anyone..

you are a foul small-minded bigot..

nothing more.

and i have nothing but contempt for you..and your twisted/hate-filled/racist ideas..

you make me want to puke..

all over you..

take your bigotry..

and stick it up yr arse..

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 12, 2009 9:35pm
philu

“..Phool’s poisoned the atmosphere and I have to leave..”

good..!

fuck off..!

my work here is done..

i have shut you up..

eh..?

shut down your foul bigotry..

and next time you try it..

i’ll piss all over you again..

got that..?

i fucken hate bigots..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 12, 2009 9:37pm
philu

the seven ages of rock:..punk..is on prime..now..

go and clean your minds of this christian hate/bigotry..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 12, 2009 9:39pm
philu

joey ramone..’we were playing bubblegum music..sick bubblegum music..and that became ‘punk’..

(heh..!..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 12, 2009 9:43pm
starboard

..its just ewe and me whore…heh
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October 12, 2009 9:48pm
philu

no..

you are nothing..

so it’s only me..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 12, 2009 9:52pm
starboard

yes ..in your little mind its all you..tell me..do you answer yourself back?..first sign of madness.. heh..
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October 12, 2009 9:54pm
philu

go on starbored..

go away and keep looking for yr fist idea/argument..

surprise yourself..!

eh..

have a thought..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 12, 2009 9:59pm
starboard

yr fist idea/argument… (sic)

heh..comedy gold eh phil..meh!
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October 12, 2009 10:01pm
Luc Hansen

If you Muslim haters pop over to Red alert, you will find a nice post on the horrors of war by Phil Twyford. Although Labour gradually lost me over 9 years, Twyford and Shearer are two new and relatively new MPs with a lot to offer and I watch what they say with interest.

The post just brings war into context. Why would you want to send our kids into that sort of mess without a compelling reason? Hate, by the way, is not reason enough.
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October 12, 2009 10:05pm
Angus

starboard –

Don’t waste your time with that useless, indolent, taxpayer funded, drug atrophied criminal dirtbag.

. . . phil u is waiting for death. . .

Then, and only then will he ever provide any tangible benefit to humanity and the earth . . . as composting material.

What a pathetic example of a father figure he provides for his son.
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October 12, 2009 10:09pm
starboard

yeah I know Angus..he’s as useful as a chocolate teapot…but I like to fuck with him…just for shits and giggles..fills in a boring night at work…
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October 12, 2009 10:13pm
getstaffed

getstaffed – what a well though(sic) out, logical, compelling post. Shout yourself a Tui.

Aw c’mon Luc. You can do better than that! You know what they say about sarcasm vis-à-vis wit?!?

My point was, and remains that you assume a lofty position of casting judgment on the balance, or your impression of the lack thereof, exhibited by others .. while your litany of pro-Arab anti-Israeli comments show you to be a one-eyed stuck record of class-leading proportions.

That you can’t see that, when everyone else can, just proves my point.
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October 12, 2009 10:15pm
Hurf Durf

and there i was thinking the west has invaded iraq and afghanistan..

Course, 9/11, the 1993 WTC bombings, Operation Bojinka and the Gulf War never happened in Phoolworld. And to think, after all that to help Muslims in Afghanistan in the 1980s and Yugoslavia in the 1990s. Doesn’t seem worth the effort now.
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October 12, 2009 10:31pm
philu

“..Doesn’t seem worth the effort now..”

you’re right there..

phil(whoar.co.nz).
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October 12, 2009 10:49pm
grumpyoldhori

Bus drivers only worth $14 hr, fair enough a lot of you believe a driver of a coach with your kids aboard should only put out $14hr worth of expertise when he hits ice etc,etc.

I can imagine the screams of outrage such as, why were they not paid more so as to keep good drivers, after your kid is injured because the coach company did not value it’s cargo, your kids.

Pay shit wages, expect to get the same output.
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October 12, 2009 11:22pm
Herman Poole

You’re threatening that the drivers will crash buses and injur kids if they are not paid more Hori?
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October 13, 2009 12:49am
Viking2

Super age to go up? English commented “He (English) also talked to Conservative shadow chancellor George Osborne, who had foreshadowed a rise in the age of eligibility for the British pension. “The public seem to understand the need for change,” Mr English said.
Code for “WE CAN GET WAY WITH DOING THIS AS WELL JUST LIKE THE AUSSIES.”

THAT’S AFTER BORROWING ANOTHER 40 BILLION.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10602846
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