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dimmocrazy

Looks like the MSM have finally caught up on the next system of rort that was so nicely unearthed by Whaleoil, the use of electoral offices to create capital gains for MP’s and political parties. The topic has already had some coverage here as well.
Not that they acknowledge any of this of course.
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October 10, 2009 8:14am
dimmocrazy

On a different note altogether, it seems that a bit of PR is now sufficient to achieve a Nobel Prize as well, perhaps Clare Curran could put her name in the hat next year too……………..
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October 10, 2009 8:16am
Grant Michael McKenna

Has the Nobel Prize committee jumped the shark? President Obama’s winning of the Nobel Peace Prize for “extraordinary efforts” to build diplomacy and promote nuclear disarmament seems a bit premature to me.
Edit: dimmocrazy beat me to it.
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October 10, 2009 8:18am
scanner

Still nothing on Red Alert about Potato Field, too much to hope I guess, just more of the same old crap trying to sell flat beer as the Bill English saga.
Can’t wait for the Potato book to make it to the shelves, should be a good read, let’s see how the pinkos deal with some serious incoming rather than sitting on the sidelines trying to pour petrol on a rapidly dying fire.
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October 10, 2009 8:20am
Chuck Bird

Thursday nights meeting in Hamilton went very well. I must congratulate the two National MPs, David Bennett and Tim Macindoe for addressing the meeting. I asked Mr Macindoe if he would would assist me in getting a written reply to a question John Key dodged at the Family First Forum.

He declined but suggested I just ask Mr Key. I do not like my chances considering the responses many members of the forum have got from National MPs.

Someone in Dargaville is so incensed at the governments response to the last referendum that he has organised his own community meeting. He has invited John Boscawen, Larry Baldock and Bob McCoskrie to speak, as well as John Carter.

NO MEANS NO
OVER 90% OF NORTHLANDERS VOTED “NO” IN THE
ANTI-SMACKING REFERENDUM!

Do you think our Government should listen to us?

Please turn out in numbers and do your part to defend
our Democracy and get this law overturned

Public Meeting

Monday 12 Oct., 7.00 p.m.
Dargaville Town Hall
37 Hokianga Road
DARGAVILLE

SPEAKERS INCLUDE:

John Boscawen, ACT M.P.
(initiator of a Private Members Bill to change this law)

Larry Baldock, Referendum Organiser

Local MP John Carter is invited

Other speakers to be advised

For more information contact:

Peter ph: 021 685 597

Email: info@kiwis4democracy.co.nz Web: http://kiwis4democracy.co.nz

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October 10, 2009 8:21am
Pete George

I agree the Nobel seems a bit premature for Obama, he’s got a bit to prove yet. But it’s amusing to see the inevitable reaction from those who began and remained strongly prejudiced – funny that they can’t understand that plenty of people see things differently to them. Obama has an extremely difficult job, he won’t get everything right, but he could still do some good. Or not. His presidency is very much a work in progress.

But….is it possible they are trying to proactively push Obama along the peace track?
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October 10, 2009 8:22am
andrei

I guess Obama has always had quite a lot in common with Yassir Arafat – he’s got even more now.
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October 10, 2009 8:25am
dimmocrazy

@Pete George. You may be off a bit there George, it looks like there were many people that really gave Obama a chance to do things differently, but that are now alarmed (or rather scared shitless) by what you call a ‘work in progress’. If the signs are anything to go by, the final goal of this ‘work in progress’ is not something that many Americans actually aspire to, and this is becoming clearer by the day, despite the fawning adulation of the MSM and the left leaning elite in Europe.
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October 10, 2009 8:26am
grumpyoldhori

Hell, I thought the Nobel people dished it out to him to wind up the Palin for president crowd both in the US and here.

It has worked like a charm with yank right wingers whining how unfair it was that Bush was seen as a complete idiot around the world.

But I do wonder when the Obama coronation for Emperor of the world will be 🙂
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October 10, 2009 8:38am
democracymum

Obama had been sworn in as President for two weeks for just two weeks before the nominations closed.

Even Jesus may have struggled to win a Noble Peace Prize in that short amount of time!

An interesting opinion “peace” on the win and a UK perspective…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1219263/Obama-won-Nobel-Peace-Prize-simply-hes-George-Bush.html
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October 10, 2009 8:47am
Pete George

Hurf Durf October 9th, 2009 at 11:17 pm

George Bush cut the US nuclear arsenal in half during his administration. Libya gave up their weapons programme due to the Bush doctrine. Where’s his fucking Nobel Prize?

The fact that he started two wars, one arguably justified, the other based illegal and based on lies, might have a bit to do with it.
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October 10, 2009 8:50am
Patrick Starr

and this years the darwin award would have to go to………

http://www.smh.com.au/world/somali-pirates-strike–but-at-the-wrong-ship-20091009-gplx.html
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October 10, 2009 8:54am
Tom Semmens

Hahahaha the Europeans REALLY must hate George W Bush, they gave the guy that replaced him a prize just for not being that particular imbecile, or being a war criminal or being an economic dunce!

I read in the Timesonline Obama may reject McChrystal’s demands for more troop to fight the Taliban and instead seek a political accomodation with them that engages them in some way in the governance of Afghanistan. Since this is both the only practical solution and, in US terms, an almost unbelievably enlightened thing to do if it works that alone would justify the prize.
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October 10, 2009 9:23am
MikeNZ

so Obama the Messiah gets the Nobel for two weeks work? (14 jan to 1st feb)
yet the opposition to Mugabe’s regime in Zimbabwe, Mr Morgan Changarai (another worthy black man) doesn’t even after all the years of work he has done for peace and human rights in Zimbabwe.

Shows that the Norwegians are not worthy of hosting the Nobel peace prize or that it has become so debased and political now that it is worthless.
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October 10, 2009 9:27am
Neil

Obama is a disaster and most Americans do realize as well.
His administration matches the stupid Pseudo-idealism of the Carter years. Obama is rated badly in Europe with his pie in the sky idealism. Read The Economist for the true feelings of Europe towards Obama. Obama is weak ! He’s trying to apologise for actions of the US in the past, certainly an unwise thing to see. Afghanistan is lost, with the experience of the Obama team which has an anti-military approach. Very few of the Obama crowd have had military experience and the thinking towards military preparedness.
What do the old Soviet vassal states like Latvia,Hungary,Poland,Czechoslovakia etc think of Obama ? The replies would be interesting.
This award is to reward the US administration for turning away from the hardline foreign policy Bush years. Those years saw no further terrorism against the USA as well as the US leading the world against that scourge.Reward for the new socialism coming from Washington DC
Obama’s efforts are a bit like the foreign policy of the USA between the first and second world war.
I repeat again, Obama is a disaster. What has he achieved ? Mid East,Iran,West Bank,Nuclear proliferation, Guantanamo etc. Nothing
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October 10, 2009 9:41am
William J

Clare Curran and her rants over how the Government should reduce costs for the taxpayer are incredible. Clare Curran spent taxpayers money being flown back and forth between her home in Dunedin and Wellington over a period of 3 months so she could politically infiltrate the Ministry for the Environment’s climate change strategy. Now she talks about how people should work from home to save money and reduce greenhouse gas emissions! Why didn’t she do this? If she was concerned about the taxpayers dollar she should quit politics and spend her time looking up the words ‘credibility’ and ‘hypocrite’ in the dictionary.
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October 10, 2009 9:43am
CharlieBrown

obviously you can get a nobel peace prize now if you collect enough weetbix bar codes. What a load of poo, first they somehow think Yasser Arafat can get one, now Obama, who is probably going to be as effective at peace as Neville Chamberlain was, is in line for one. What a munted, screwed up, PC world we live in.
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October 10, 2009 9:44am
philu

here are the details of the update on the phil heatley ‘gouging’ story..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/how-you-pay-for-mps-propertiesin-all-mr-heatley-is-receiving-more-than-33000-in-taxpayer-funds-for-properties-he-owns-plus-another-48000-in-rent-for-his-official-wellington-residence/

“..Members of Parliament are building up their property portfolios on the taxpayer ..

.. by dipping into the public purse for rent on electorate offices they own.

In a fresh twist on accommodation allowances, an investigation by The Dominion Post shows seven MPs have bought properties they use as out-of-Wellington offices ..

.. billing the taxpayer for the rent.

Some are owned in the MP’s own name, while others are held through superannuation funds or companies.

The loophole allows them to walk away with substantial capital gains.

MPs are given a capped allowance to cover the cost of renting and running offices, and must declare if they have a pecuniary interest.

Parliamentary Service general manager Geoff Thorn said an independent valuation was used to determine rents.

Some of the arrangements go back more than a decade ..

.. but it appears a new intake of MPs is stepping up the practice.

Most are from National, but Labour uses a variation of the practice by buying properties in its name and using them as electorate offices ..

.. charging the taxpayer rent .. and building up the party’s property assets.

The MPs involved include Housing Minister Phil Heatley, who charges Parliamentary Service $15,000 rent on his electorate office in Deveron St, Whangarei, owned through a company he owns.

Taxpayers also pay up to $1000 a week rent for a ministerial house for him and his family in Wellington ..

.. which is provided because he is an out-of-Wellington minister.

A Wellington flat, which he owns and lived in before becoming a minister, is rented to fellow National MP Louise Upston for $355 a week..

.. also paid by the taxpayer.

In all, Mr Heatley is receiving more than $33,000 in taxpayer funds for properties he owns …

.. plus another $48,000 in rent for his official Wellington residence..”

(whoar..!..eh..?..)

he’s really ‘working the seams’..that heatley..

eh..?

and all on top of a quarter mill salary..plus untold more perks..

but hey..!..they have our best interests at heart..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 9:51am
Inventory2

Tom Semmens said “I read in the Timesonline Obama may reject McChrystal’s demands for more troop to fight the Taliban and instead seek a political accomodation with them that engages them in some way in the governance of Afghanistan.”

So let me get this straight Tom – you are happy for the Taleban to be REWARDED for their war-mongering, whilst suggesting that the legitimately elected Afghan government should be encouraged to hand over some power to those who have waged war against them? Sorry Tom, but that’s akin to letting your kid watch their programme on the telly when they pack a tanty because you’re watching your programme – doesn’t happen in the Inventory whare, I can assure you!
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October 10, 2009 9:57am
philu

greedy fucken pigs..!

eh..?

clear/clean the bastards out..!

pour fucken detergent all over them..

and this poxy stinking self-serving corrupt system these bastards have built for themselves..

(who’s feeling proud to be a natty this morning..?..eh..?..

weren’t they ‘the answer’..eh..?

what was the question again..?)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 9:58am
philu

stand well back..!

soon someone will shout:..’look ..!..over there..!..greens..!’

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 9:59am
Inventory2

Sheesh you’re predictable Phil! Seems that all is not as Vernon Small tells it:

http://www.aarongilmore.org.nz/news-post/out-of-parliament-offices/

“Secondly the rent charged to Parliamentary services for my office is about 60% of the independently assessed market rent, with an external lease agreement and is operating well within the long standing rules. So maybe the headline could have been Gilmore saves more than $10k a year for taxpayers!”
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October 10, 2009 10:02am
starboard

but Labour uses a variation of the practice by buying properties in its name and using them as electorate offices ..

…what about that line phil whore you fucktard…liarbour are covered in the same pooze remember you drugged up freak
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October 10, 2009 10:04am
big bruv

What a joke the Nobel prize is anyway, have a look at some of the past winners and you will find among them a long list of murderers and low life.
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October 10, 2009 10:09am
philu

when have you fucken seen me defend them..?..or the greens..?

on this subject..?

show me the fucken link..!

or shut the fuck up..!

just talking your usual made-up shit again..eh starbored..?

you utter fucken wanker..

c’mon defend phil..’it’s onlly eighty-one grand..!’ heatley..

tell us how he isn’t gouging/troughing..to the ultimate max..

eh..?

c’mon weasel..!

squeak up..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 10:11am
bill hicks

Just goes to show how pathetic the nobel award has got with the likes of al gore now obama winning.five norwegian idiots pick and vote on this now decomposing award.No one else in the world gets a vote besides the 5 norwegians.This award now has as much prestige as being awarded first place in a wanking competition…
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October 10, 2009 10:14am
philu

i mean..imagine how long it must take heatley each night..?

to stuff his days’ ‘earn’ under his mattress…

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 10:16am
philu

i think obama got the nobel peace prize for his ‘work’ in afghanistan..

eh..?

(and..why has dick cheney never got one..?

life just ‘ain’t fair’..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 10:19am
dime

lol the Obama thing is classic.

The US will end up at war with Iran soon enough – either a firs strike, or jumping in after israel start the attacks.

he needs to send 40,000 more troops to afghanistan, hes refraining so far, but ultimately they will be sent.

G Bay is still open.

Still plenty of yanks in Iraq.
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October 10, 2009 10:23am
cha

An interesting analysis from The Long War Journal.

Analysis: Al Qaeda is the tip of the jihadist spear
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October 10, 2009 10:27am
philu

the most ‘eye-watering’ of the nobel peace prizes to date..

has to be henry the ‘k’..kissinger..

he had two big notches on his belt..

vietnam..and cambodia..

(not to mention all that elected-leader-toppling ‘business’ in sth america..?

..and other parts foreign..?

..eh..?

..and..he now ‘has the ear’ of obama..

that kissinger..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 10:28am
Fletch

The fact that [Bush] started two wars, one arguably justified, the other based illegal and based on lies, might have a bit to do with it

Yes, well…
I think he made a judgment based on the info he had and thought he did what was right.
There’s an article called “History Will Show That George W Bush was right” in the Telegraph which makes some good points.

The decisions he took and the procedures he put in place after 9/11 insured not one American has died on US soil since 9/11 as a result of terrorism.

The next factor that will be seen in its proper historical context in years to come will be the true reasons for invading Afghanistan in October 2001 and Iraq in April 2003. The conspiracy theories believed by many (generally, but not always) stupid people – that it was “all about oil”, or the securing of contracts for the US-based Halliburton corporation, etc – will slip into the obscurity from which they should never have emerged had it not been for comedian-filmmakers such as Michael Moore.

Instead, the obvious fact that there was a good case for invading Iraq based on 14 spurned UN resolutions, massive human rights abuses and unfinished business following the interrupted invasion of 1991 will be recalled.

Similarly, the cold light of history will absolve Bush of the worst conspiracy-theory accusation: that he knew there were no WMDs in Iraq. History will show that, in common with the rest of his administration, the British Government, Saddam’s own generals, the French, Chinese, Israeli and Russian intelligence agencies, and of course SIS and the CIA, everyone assumed that a murderous dictator does not voluntarily destroy the WMD arsenal he has used against his own people. And if he does, he does not then expel the UN weapons inspectorate looking for proof of it, as he did in 1998 and again in 2001.

Mr Bush assumed that the Coalition forces would find mass graves, torture chambers, evidence for the gross abuse of the UN’s food-for-oil programme, but also WMDs. He was right about each but the last, and history will place him in the mainstream of Western, Eastern and Arab thinking on the matter.

History will probably, assuming it is researched and written objectively, congratulate Mr Bush on the fact that whereas in 2000 Libya was an active and vicious member of what he was accurately to describe as an “axis of evil” of rogue states willing to employ terrorism to gain its ends, four years later Colonel Gaddafi’s WMD programme was sitting behind glass in a museum in Oakridge, Tennessee.

[bold emphasis mine]

It’s very popular to beat up on Bush because the media have made it so, and people blindly follow what the media says. Sure, everyone loves peace but sometimes there is a need for war. Some people think we should have left Saddam alone to build his gold palaces while his people lived in relative poverty and killed those who opposed him. Saddam was eventually captured, found guilty of crimes against humanity (much like the Nazi’s during WWII) and hanged. To me, that says something about what kind of man he was and what he’d done to his people. Heck, he even gassed-bombed one people out of existence.

As for Obama winning the Nobel prize?!! What’s he done to deserve that?
I watched that movie Hackers the other day on TV and Angelina Jolie’s character is making out with a guy on a motorbike called Curtis. Our hero in the movie, Dade, asks, ‘who’s that?’. ‘Curtis’, comes the reply. ‘And what does he do?’. ‘You’re looking at it. Curtis just looks slick all day’.
Obama looks slick too and he reads a speech well from a teleprompter but he hasn’t done anything to win a Nobel prize.

Link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/4241865/History-will-show-that-George-W-Bush-was-right.html
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October 10, 2009 10:29am
philu

oh..!..fletch..!..for fuck sake..!

not a re-litigation of ‘bush was right’..?

fucken spare us..!

eh..?

who has the fucken time/energy..

‘the shrub’ is in historys’ rubbish-bin..

(shall we re-argue the causes of the first world war..?

while we’re at it..?)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 10:34am
Redbaiter

If there’s one thing that bores me to hell on Kiwiblog its seeing an overwhelming number of posts from Phil Ure and “Pete George” (yeah sure that’s his name). Might as well call it Commieblog.
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October 10, 2009 10:53am
Put it away

Phool – “(shall we re-argue the causes of the first world war..?”

Why, do you have wrong ideas about that as well ?
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October 10, 2009 10:59am
philu

bfm are doing their ’95 best songs ever played on bfm’..

to celebrate 40 years of quality music..

(starting now.and going to 6 pm..)

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/live-stream-95bfm/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 11:08am
Elijah Lineberry

Brian Gaynor has a delightful, and oh so accurate, analogy about the sharemarket in the NZ Herald today.

He points out how Private Equity firms can make vast fortunes from naive investors through the Initial Public Offering process not by doing anything wrong particularly, but rather because many chaps will pay too much for new shares at the IPO stage.

Worth a read.

http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com
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October 10, 2009 11:08am
Redbaiter

So you can reference a story in the Herald and not supply the link, but end your comment with your blog’s address? What a shameless spineless little “Libertarian” fraud you are.
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October 10, 2009 11:13am
philu

“…If there’s one thing that bores me to hell on Kiwiblog its..”

..the gibberings of red-butt(er)..

“..(yeah sure that’s his name).,”

“..Might as well call it Fascistblog..”

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 11:21am
Elijah Lineberry

Redbaiter is following me around kiwiblog making deliberately abusive posts yet nothing is done about him, his 11:13am post being the third one in the last twent minutes!

Tut tut tut…

I hope everyone notices I never abuse him (or anyone else) on Kiwiblog; I do not even give anybody a ‘thumbs down’ as doing so seems a bit childish.

http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com
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October 10, 2009 11:30am
gravedodger

Awarding the Nobel Peace {Prize to this man on the basis of what, Rhetoric ? Just shows what can be achieved with good dose of self promotion.
I am so gtateful he didn’t reach for the “football” when his shameless, first person pronoun laden, support for Chicago’s Olympic bid went out by a KO in the first round. An empty shell with self aggrandising, bombast echoing around inside it, he must wear ear plugs.
The prestige of this award has been systematically destroyed with its awarding to a procession of empty political gestures in its history and here is another.
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October 10, 2009 11:33am
side show bob

Fuck, I’ve got a pet goat that has done more for world peace then this yank twit ( sorry that should be Kenyan twit). In a way I’m happy to see Mac daddy get the gong, it shows the world what a shallow bunch of lefty dropkicks the Noble committee consists of.

Also, more lefty tossers, who are these quacks against climate change. For fucks sake, for seemingly highly educated people they do a good impression of been as thick as two short planks. Unbelievable!!!!!!
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October 10, 2009 11:34am
philu

this one is for ‘rouge-bum’,..

it’s colbert taking the piss out of that rightwing nut-job beck..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/colbert-skewers-beck-for-constant-tears-conspiracy-theories-general-insanity-its-like-looking-into-a-mirrorafter-youve-done-a-ton-of-coke-off-itvideo/

“..Stephen Colbert took on Glenn Beck again last night..

.. this time “defending” the Fox News star by comparing Beck’s sincerity to his own.

Colbert showed clips of both he and Beck spouting insane conspiracy theories and sobbing on air..

.. ending with a line destined for history:..

.. “It’s like looking into a mirror…after you’ve done a ton of coke off it.”

He went to say..

.. “Clearly Glenn Beck is as sincere in what he says and does .. as I am in believing baby carrots are trying to turn me gay.”

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 11:35am
philu

“..For fucks sake, for seemingly highly educated people they do a good impression of been(sic) as thick as two short planks. Unbelievable!!!!!!..”

and your ‘qualificatons’.?..there..bloody-hands-bob..?

a lifetime of cruelties/exploitation of animals qualifies you as an expert on what..?..

exactly..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 11:38am
Redbaiter

“Tut tut tut…”

Tut tut tut yourself you sleaze.

You (so called) Libertarians preach to everyone about your “principles”, and posture as being morally superior to the average Labour or National politician, but when one sees you so shamelessly hawking your pathetic unvisited site on Kiwiblog, it demonstrates to all and sundry that you are stinking hypocrites who would be just as big a frauds and cheats as any other politicians if you ever achieved the same political status.
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October 10, 2009 11:39am
Tookinator

What’s the deal with this gwayze guy?
He was found not guilty of murdering his niece, but it is now being appealed in the high court so they can try him again. I thought they couldn’t do that? Double jeopardy etc?
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October 10, 2009 11:53am
side show bob

My “qualifications” Phil are probably on par with yours, these amounting to sweet fuck all. But you don’t need to be the sharpest knife in the draw to see noddy’s at work. Why even a child could see the emperor was naked. So I can see no reason why a dairy farmer should not have the ability to see through the bullshit, in fact I dare say I would be a bit more attuned to climate change then a bunch of politically correct quacks.
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October 10, 2009 12:08pm
Rufus

I read on Stuff that the Navy has 4 new boats coming –

Quote:

“The boats were built to civilian standards, not military, so some things still needed to be ironed out – but they were useful to have in the fleet, he said.”

WTF? For $36 million each, I’d hope they were built to the standard they require.

What’s the purpose of having sub-standard boats? “useful to have” – I hope so, for $36 million each!!!!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2950289/Navys-36m-patrol-boats-tremendous
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October 10, 2009 12:09pm
Redbaiter

“I dare say I would be a bit more attuned to climate change then a bunch of politically correct quacks.”

Bob, today’s so called “universities”, are really only indoctrination camps where brain damaged pseudo liberals and progressives hold all the power, and rather than educate, they plant depraved political concepts in the minds of their immature charges, and isolate them from any ideas that might give them the capacity to decide such things for themselves.

Those graduates with intelligence grow out of their indoctrinated state of mind. The numbskulls cannot.
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October 10, 2009 12:20pm
Manolo

“If there’s one thing that bores me to hell on Kiwiblog its seeing an overwhelming number of posts from Phil Ure”

Ditto.
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October 10, 2009 12:23pm
starboard

ooohhh phil whore you a bit testy tis morn…you have’nt had your fix yet? eh ? eh? cold turkey ??..you just cant stand the thought that your red friends are sucking on the public titty just as mch as the bluies..you know it’s true Phil buddy boy..they all just as bad as each other but for some reason you have a bug in your ass that the blues are taking more..why’s that ??
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October 10, 2009 12:25pm
davidp

It’s a pretty sad day when the Nobel Peace Prize has less credibility than the WWE Heavyweight Wrestling Champions belt.
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October 10, 2009 12:29pm
Manolo

Even the illiberal left in the U.S. is surprised at Obama’s winning the Nobel Prize.

The Norwegian committee has put the President in an awkward position. Will the Messiah agree to send 40,000 more soldiers to Afghanistan? Will he pull the plug on what the once called “the war worth fighting”?

Obama, the novice president, will have to make a decision one way or the other fairly soon. Given his community organiser and neo-socialist background, I suspect he will choose not to advance the cause of the United States.
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October 10, 2009 12:30pm
Redbaiter

“It’s a pretty sad day when the Nobel Peace prize has less credibility than the WWE Heavyweight Wrestling Champions belt.”

Well, its not as if its sudden. The Nobel Prize has been known to be a politically motivated fake award for some time now, not the least when it was awarded to the shameless fraud and con man Al Gore, a pretender motivated by greed and nothing else.

The rumour I heard was that the Kenyan was only a stand in for the original (secretly) nominated recipient, Michael Jackson.
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October 10, 2009 12:33pm
Johnboy

When did auntie get on the Nobel committee? Seems as corrupt as the Helengrad caucus was. (Sorry Davy—could not resist using the c-word).
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October 10, 2009 12:36pm
side show bob

Yeah Red, I hear our Phil went to university, or so he says, explains a lot really. I’m ashamed to say I have a sister, a teacher, that yaps a lot of crap like Phil, she also went to “university”, she might be clever but they sure beat the common sense out of her. Her kids come up from Wellington in the school holidays, poor little buggers only get fucking veges and fruit in the big city. But we feed them up on steak, mutton, roasts etc etc etc, put a few kilos on their bones, they love it, she thinks it is the country air, ask yourself. I wouldn’t worry about what the universities teach the young I think you will find that it will come back and bit them on the arse one day.
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October 10, 2009 12:52pm
philu

there you have it..!

the philosophy/collected-thoughts of bloody-hands-bob..

(a.k.a..’railing against the educated’..)

an inarticulate howl from the hinterland..

(‘i torture animals..therefor i am.!”..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 1:01pm
tautokai.baxter

“Well, its not as if its sudden. The Nobel Prize has been known to be a politically motivated fake award for some time now, not the least when it was awarded to the shameless fraud and con man Al Gore, a pretender motivated by greed and nothing else.”

Al Gore deserved it alot more than Obama does, he actually did something before he was nominated for it. He enlightened thousands about the dangers of climate change and put in user friendly language and backed it up with the facts. Obama does not deserve it but I hope it helps him do the right thing; pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Then end relations with Israel and successfully strive for the abolition and non-proliferation of nuclear weapons.

Why did Gandhi never get the Nobel Peace Prize?
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October 10, 2009 1:09pm
Rachael Rich

Check this out Redbaiter – Big Bird gives Michelle Obama what for!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=druQ6olIfm4&feature=related
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October 10, 2009 1:14pm
jabba

looks like Hillary Clinton is coming here .. she might want to meet Winston?
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October 10, 2009 1:27pm
reid

He enlightened thousands about the dangers of climate change and put in user friendly language and backed it up with the facts.

Yes, the incidental fact that he kicked off the biggest wealth-transfer mechanism in the history of the world has nothing to do with it I suppose.

In addition, those “facts” he spouted have been discredited due to the distorted timelines he used, and the “user-friendly language” was in fact extremely manipulative propaganda. It was also transparent propaganda however and while I’m not surprised I am disappointed in the fact that billions of useful idiots immediately collapsed into mob hysteria without so much as a “hang-on, pause for thought” moment. Talk about useful. Talk about idiotic.

The debate in fact has not yet been had. This phenomena came out of nowhere and in 5 years has become a globally accepted concept which countries ignore at their peril due to the trade penalties incurred if anyone doesn’t toe the line. And the useful idiots apparently see nothing peculiar about this at all. Fuck you guys are really fucking dumb.
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October 10, 2009 1:27pm
Redbaiter

“I wouldn’t worry about what the universities teach the young I think you will find that it will come back and bit them on the arse one day”

I hope so, but when one sees videos of what the left are doing to children in the US (teaching them to sing songs of praise to the Kenyan, a la Kim Jong Il and Castro) it doesn’t bode well for other less free places on earth.

They are evil, and the only way they can get traction for their ideas is to indoctrinate callow youth. Adults won’t buy them.
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October 10, 2009 1:35pm
reid

Universities are an extremely fertile place in which to implant mind-bending ideology. Feminism is a prime example of how this works.

It’s all about wrapping it up in an emotive little package and disguising its true intent by pretending it’s about helping people. Then it gets a life of its own as the useful idiots in academia pick it up and run with it, spreading its poison far and wide without even realising they’re simply being used.
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October 10, 2009 1:42pm
philu

(great moments in intellectual-thought/dialogue)

..red-russ and bloody-hands-bob discuss the state of the world..

(heh..!..)

(priceless..!..)

(‘caynt trust them in-telly-ect-yewals..!..eh..?’..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 1:44pm
philu

should never have given them the bloody vote..!..eh reid..?

that was the start of the rot..!

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 1:45pm
starboard

but for some reason you have a bug in your ass that the blues are taking more..why’s that ??

..come on phil whore..explain your anger…
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October 10, 2009 1:48pm
Luc Hansen

In the cold light of day, awarding Obama the Nobel Peace Prize may be smarter than it first seemed. It puts a huge amount of focus now on the initiatives Obama has started, albeit with little to show for it so far.

But Iran has responded by joining negotiations – and as the saying goes, the most important people to talk to are your enemies- and Iran, having just owned up to yet another secret facility, is now obliged to fully co-operate with the IAEA. I don’t believe the rulers will want further sanctions. They impact most severely on the poorest and there are a lot of poor in Iran who are already annoyed with the regime over the election rigging and failed economic policies. Incidentally, the world is also obliged to co-operate with any Iranian project for peaceful nuclear power plants.

In Afghanistan and Pakistan, however, it’s a different story.

In Pakistan, extensive use of drones has killed few militants (around 20 at the last count) but around 1000 civilians. and at the insistence of the US, the Pakistan army has carpet bombed huge swathes of the Swat Valley, with, according to al Jazeera, up to 1,000,000 civilians forced to flee. A further land operation is about to be launched and is expected to turn up to 100,000 civilians into refugees or IDP. It’s time us so-called good guys learned to fight without the euphemistic “collateral damage.”

In Afghanistan, part of the advice Obama would be receiving is that more troops will mean more civilian deaths, as in Pakistan, in disproportionate numbers as compared to the villains. The Taleban were never our prime target, but with the elimination of the Al Qaeda threat there, I guess we gotta find someone to kill! The Taleban have legitimate support within their Pashtun base, and should be accorded representation in line with this support in return for laying down their arms. This is a time-honoured solution to seemingly intractable localised conflicts – a sort of “sleeping with the enemy.” I think the worst situation would be the Biden strategy if his drones are chasing Taleban, as opposed to Al Qaeda remnants.

So the jury is out in those two cases but in my judgment Obama has escalated conflict in those two countries. But now, as the current holder of the Nobel, well, it may help him concentrate on peace instead of war.

In Israel/Palestine, his sincere efforts to bring the parties together has foundered on Israel’s insistence on continuing to colonise and ethnically-cleanse large areas of the proposed Palestinian state, compounded by his own congress being in thrall to the powerful Jewish lobby. A new opportunity is now opening up this month with Abbas’ humiliating backdown ensuring the Goldstone Report is presented to the UNHRC for debate and action, preferably referral to the Security Council. New Zealand actually gave up its seat on the HRC in favour of the US, and Susan Rice is reported as saying they wanted to get the seat “to stop all the anti-Israel crap.” So they certainly timed there arrival well!

So to sum up as regards Israel/Palestine, Obama scores high in good intentions but low in backbone. However, I live in hope that there is more going on behind the scenes than we can pick, like maybe insisting to his fellow democrats that their loyalty belongs to US interests, not Israel’s.
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October 10, 2009 1:51pm
philu

as in ‘doing a heatley’..?

not to mention the news report..

which noted..’it was mainly national mp’s ‘ running these scams..

(labour party empire-build with their wrinkle on it..

a pox on all of them..

so..you cool with heatley getting paid eighty-one grand..?..then..?

nothing to see/moan about/comment on then..?

proving once again you have all the mental independance of a sea-slug..

eh..?

as long as its’ nattys gouging/troughing..

not a whisper from you..eh..?

this is why you are such a ‘credible’ commentator..eh..?

it’s yr even-handedness..eh..?

just like all the other rightie trolls..

not a murmer from them..

(‘wither credibility’..?’..eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 1:56pm
Luc Hansen

reid (3203) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
October 10th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

Universities are an extremely fertile place in which to implant mind-bending ideology. Feminism is a prime example of how this works.

It’s all about wrapping it up in an emotive little package and disguising its true intent by pretending it’s about helping people. Then it gets a life of its own as the useful idiots in academia pick it up and run with it, spreading its poison far and wide without even realising they’re simply being used. (end quote)

Hmmm, I wonder what PB would think about that little rant? 🙂
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October 10, 2009 2:04pm
reid

No phil, the start of the rot was when feminism started to tell women that in order not to be oppressed, they needed to act and think like men.

This dehumanised them because fact is, men and women are driven by completely different forces. Men are genetically wired to protect and provide for their family, and women are genetically wired to sacrifice themselves for their family. Like it or not, it’s true, and in order to actualise yourself, you have to lead a life more-or-less along those general lines otherwise you’ll end up as an extremely unhappy and frustrated person.

Feminism teaches women that self-sacrifice for the sake of your own children and husband is oppression and if one behaves that way one is giving up one’s right to a life.

The consequence of their teaching is seen in a lot of areas but I like the sexual area because it’s so obvious. There are numerous stories in the MSM of how young ladies these days are comporting themselves exactly like young men, basically behaving like what we used to call sluts. They’re no longer demure or graceful, they’re aggressive and petulant. They have one-night stands all over the place, they’re not interested in stable long-term relationships. Young men are not measured by their ability to be a stable partner but rather by their ability to give them an orgasm. The result is complete confusion because neither young men nor young women are playing their natural role. I mean that literally – this is genetics, this is how we are wired, it’s not optional and while we have the free will to behave anyway we want to, there are always consequences and this is one massive consequence that is not permitted to appear on the radar.

The objective is to destroy the family unit so that individuals no longer have that support structure in place so they will turn themselves to the State. It is all wrapped up in a nice little disguise called freedom and if anyone criticises it the way I just have, they’ll be excoriated for being an oppressive demon of a person.

If anyone doubts this is true, then just open your eyes and look around at the already vast and growing number of unhappy men and women and imagine what it’s going to be like in 50 years time.
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October 10, 2009 2:08pm
jabba

goodness me .. just caught some of Hannities interview with Michael Moore .. talk about Nat v Labour. It’s amazing how similar our debates are .. fantastic to watch
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October 10, 2009 2:29pm
Herman Poole

Al Gore deserved it alot more than Obama does, he actually did something before he was nominated for it. He enlightened thousands about the dangers of climate change and put in user friendly language and backed it up with the facts

Very sad to read this sort of comment yet again.

The Michael Mann graph used as the centrepiece for An Inconvenient truth is widely known to be fraudulent, regardless of whether you agree with Al or not, I do not think fraud should ever be celebrated. If a finance company used fraudulent statistics there would be hell to pay. Al Gore is simply doing the same thing as them in putting a slick package together to ask for peoples money, and just like McDonalds he’s trying to go after the soft targets such as kids.

Al Gore used fraudulent material to frame his argument and a British Court found at least 13 other lies (Pacific Immigration to NZ has been because of climate change?!), everyone who cares about what is good and right knows this is never acceptable no matter the cause or intentions.
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October 10, 2009 2:41pm
Herman Poole

Is Al Gore going to pay his million dollars back seeing as he lied to get it?
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October 10, 2009 2:45pm
Michael E

One of the people I most admire is Lech Walesa, and I think he gets it right on Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize award:

Lech Walesa, former leader of the Solidarity union, which toppled Communism in Poland, was among those voicing doubts. “So soon? This is too soon. He has not yet made a real input. He is proposing, he is starting, but he still has to do it all,” Mr Walesa, who won the prize in 1983, told reporters.
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October 10, 2009 2:45pm
jabba

shit, I just noticed a part of what philu said at 1:56
which noted..’it was mainly national mp’s ‘ running these scams..
The main word being “mainly” .. if it was “all” then he would have a point .. maybe
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October 10, 2009 3:26pm
philu

oh..!..jabba…

so ..’just’ ‘mainly’..national party mps’s rorting is ‘no problem’..eh..?

nothing to see/say there..eh..?

would have to be a 100%..?..would it..?

where’s yr cut-off point..?

(just out of interest..90%..?..95%..?)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 3:42pm
Rex Widerstrom

Quiet, you fools!

At this rate, if we write nice things about the Obama Peace Prize, we’ll all get to share the Nobel Prize for Literature!!

😀
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October 10, 2009 3:46pm
jabba

philu .. I suspect this $ thing on housing expenses has a long way to go with more subtle so called scams to be outed. You are slagging the Nats off and good for you if that’s your thing .. I have no problem with what you say .. a bit confused on how you say it but there you go.
If all (100%)he so called scams were with the Nats then I would be with you and be asking whats going on. This seems to be about most parties so attack one, attack them all. After saying that, the Maori and Act parties seem to have avoided problems. (note I didn’t mention Dunny or Jimbo .. who cares)
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October 10, 2009 3:56pm
jabba

oh .. I came back to General Debate to highlight that Davids post on Winston has about 130 comments .. shows what a divisive bstd he is.
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October 10, 2009 3:58pm
jabba

what do the Greens think of V8 Supercars .. Bathurst or Hamilton?
These suckers consume HUGE amounts of fuel/oil/rubber/steel etc PLUS, and I love this, so much of the sponsorship is about booze …. yehaaaa .. uncle’s Jack (Daniels) Jim (Beam) sponsor teams and in NZ I think it was Leon Rough as a event sponsor AND from memory Big ben pies were there as well .. fucking A I say (hic)
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October 10, 2009 4:15pm
Hurf Durf

Pete George (1481) Vote: Add rating 8 Subtract rating 7 Says:
October 10th, 2009 at 8:50 am

If you’re gonna quote me, at least put it into context:

George Bush cut the US nuclear arsenal in half during his administration. Libya gave up their weapons programme due to the Bush doctrine. Where’s his fucking Nobel Prize? Fucking hypocrites. If we’re going to give Nobel Peace Prizes on narrow and vague terms, clearly Bush had curbing nuclear proliferation in the fucking bag.

Narrow and vague terms. “He hath brought inspiration!!!” To whom? A few cockbags like Pete George? Gimme a break. Can’t wait to see TV3 fawn over this.
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October 10, 2009 4:26pm
philu

won’t somebody think of your liver..!

(i hope you aren’t over thirty..eh..?

it’s a young mans’ game that binge-drinking/partying hard..

and if you are still doing it past 30..?

ahem..!..it could be an issue/a problem..

eh..?

better get some advice..

eh..?

(b.t.w..cd u ‘do’ bathurst sober..?

ask yourself..!

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October 10, 2009 4:28pm
Hurf Durf

Since this is both the only practical solution and, in US terms, an almost unbelievably enlightened thing to do if it works that alone would justify the prize.

If you honestly think that such cretinance would bring “peace”, Tom Semenswallower, you’re as big an idiot as I thought. I’m sure you can lecture the villagers who’ll get slaughtered by the Taliban for not backing them or having an undesirable relative once they sweep back into power and the innocent Westerners who would get slaughtered in the next big attacks, committed by people emboldened by Obummer’s cowardice and “enlightenment”, on the principles of this so-called “peace.” Shame on the Nobel Committee for this blatant show of politicking.
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October 10, 2009 4:32pm
billyborker

New Zealand had a cjance to take a place on the UN Human Rights Council. Gutless jonkey and co wimped out, and handed it to the USofA. Most of you lot cheered jonkey’s gutlessness.

NZ has always been one of the world’s most secular nations, has a reputation for standing for freedom and indiviudal liberty. I doubt NZ’s representative would have voted this way, but the good ole boys of the USofA have.

The UN Human Rights Council has passed a resolution condemning “stereotyping of religion”. It’s a move that flouts freedom of expression – and it was sponsored by the United States. Roy W Brown reports

The United States has backed a new UN resolution on free expression which would be considered unconstitutional under its First Amendment — which protects freedom of expression and bans sanctioning of religions.

This is where your cheerleading gets you.

http://www.indexoncensorship.org/2009/10/us-hypocrisy-on-free-speech-at-united-nations/
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October 10, 2009 4:36pm
Hurf Durf

Come on, bonkers, like lil ol’ Nu Zild would have any clout against the mass violators on the HRC like Egypt, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Cuba, China and Pakistan. I know you lefties like to overblow NZ’s diplomatic capabilities but Good God. The HRC has been calling for this little resolution to protect Radical Islam for years and years. No doubt the US tagged along to bolster its little “outreach,” you know, the thing they gave Omoron the Peace Prize for. Come on, Billy, get on the bandwagon. Hope and change!
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October 10, 2009 4:50pm
Steve

Phool,
“b.t.w..cd u ‘do’ bathurst sober..?

ask yourself..!”
Phool, could you do a day on Kiwiblog without being off your tits?
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October 10, 2009 5:06pm
starboard

No phil, the start of the rot was when feminism started to tell women that in order not to be oppressed, they needed to act and think like men.

..so , so true sir. One of the reasons I married my delightful asian wife was because of the distaste I have for ” our ” western women ( not all , but most )…they have been so ” helenfied “…..shame really they cant see it.
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October 10, 2009 5:10pm
jabba

philu .. our Oz cuzzies are limited to 24 cans/stubbies per person per day or 4 freaking litres of wine .. wtf? is that a maxinum or a target? gota luv im.
now, regarding my issue regarding booze. I’m here for a good time not a long time. My love of drink and fatty foods is an issue that does not concern me. I’m 53, 6ft and 105kg which makes be obese ala he bmi. If I die at say 60 (dad went at 58) then I will save the country a huge amount of $ re penson and medical costs PLUS, unlike mum my who dies at 83, I am unlikely to spend years in nappies being hosed down in showers by total strangers in an old folks home. Why didn’t we look after her I hear you ask .. because she was an ex smoker who was on 24 hour oxygen for her last 4-5 years.
I hope to go out with a bang and a whisky in my hand.
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October 10, 2009 6:17pm
jabba

quake in Wgtn at 6 .. anyone feel it?
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October 10, 2009 6:54pm
Southern Raider

MSM in this country are a joke. Just watched 3 news and not a single mention of the All Whites game tomorrow morning.

Do they have no friggin idea how big the World Cup is? The All Whites making the World Cup finals is bigger than the stupid Tri Nations or Bledisloe.

Time for a reality check.

One sport played by 20 countries and the other by other 200.
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October 10, 2009 7:01pm
getstaffed

jabba – felt it in Waikanae
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October 10, 2009 7:09pm
Luc Hansen

virtualmark (and other interested parties):

I will withdraw my use of the word mendacious in relation to your posts; a bit OT, sorry.

But part of the problem I have with your posts is that you claim to be neutral but you post a long list of alleged Palestinian sins, and for “balance” say…O, Israel has done one or two bad things too.

All you items of Palestinian misdeed are either rebutted or contextualised in many resources such as freely available books by, say, Pappe, Finkelstein, Segev or, if you prefer non-Jewish sources, like Rashid Khalidi. On the web: http://electronicintifada.net and http://www.quimseyeh.org (Mazin sends a weekly newsletter to over 50,000 readers to which you can subscribe) and http://www.palestineremembered.com are all goldmines of information and, especially important, a Palestinian point of view.

In addition, http://www.arabhra.org and http://www.arabmediawatch.com/amw/ are worth regular visits and you will understand the level of racism within Israel in a very short time.

Life’s busy: between work, being the daytime carer for our one year old (the only quiet time is when the little darling is sleeping) it’s quite irritating to get deluged with the sort of stuff you and KIA post when rebuttals (if they are appropriate) or further context is readily available. But you must seek out alternative points of view to genuinely project an neutral view.

I just don’t see the balance you claim. Furthermore, all this past stuff is largely irrelevant. The whole world, with the exceptions, it seems, of Israel, seeks two states. I include Hamas. Hamas has changed its mind, if not its charter, and has let it be known for a long time now that it is ready to talk. But Likud must take the same walk as Labour before any Israeli govt can sign a peace deal.

And it is not up to us to supplant the existing international consensus with our own inventions. For example, your statement “I think a Palestinian state would be an illusory outcome…” That’s just not a serious contribution to resolving the issue. The only alternative, under your view, is therefore the one state solution but i don’t see you advocating that. It’s just adding noise.

And this: “I don’t, and neither do most people, adopt the Arab interpretation that “land for peace” means first Israel must give back the land… (before negotiations open).” Well, first study the consensus, recognise that presently the PA has only asked for colonisation activity to cease before negotiations, and accept these are all big boys who can sort that out at the negotiating table. It’s just more noise.

More links in response to your Camp David “generous offer” query: http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article9220.shtml and http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article9181.shtml

And http://www.democracynow.com has excellently objective coverage, should be right up your alley. In fact I have just watched the Sept 7 episode on itunes and there is really good coverage of the machinations surrounding the Goldstone report.

I have no problem addressing specific queries if I can, so long as they are not buried in lists of real or imagined Palestinian sins that are irrelevant to the present day situation, I can’t be bothered having to read through for the millionth time, sorry.

Now let’s address racism. You don’t like the Wiki definition, so try this Encarta Concise English Edition: 1. prejudice or animosity against people who belong to other races 2. the belief that people of different races have different qualities and abilities, and that some races are inherently superior or inferior.

And racist: 1. based on the notions and stereotypes related to race.

Now I am afraid you can’t go before a race relations board and say this is my definition of racism and by that I am not a racist. You stereotype a whole ethnic group with accusations of poor choices as a group, and cultural immaturity, as a group. Not only is this insulting, colonialist language, it’s incredibly offensive, I’m sure, to Palestinians.

Many Palestinian leaders, leaders of many Arab states and probably all Western leaders have served the almost powerless and defenceless Palestinians poorly from the ending of the 700 year Turkish occupation. To project their failures onto Palestinians as a people is deeply racist. Think about it. Many of us, myself included, can be guilty of unconscious racism and we need to pull ourselves up and rethink.

Finally, I make no claim to neutrality. We don’t have to be neutral, and shouldn’t be, in fact. Objectively, the complicity of the West in the dispossession of Palestinians on the back of European atrocities against Jews is obscene. Palestinians had just come out of a 700 year occupation, and were then decimated militarily by the British during the period of the Mandate, despite fighting for the West. Then their fellow Arabs fought poorly on their behalf and paid scant regard to Palestinian rights anyway, as the occupations of Jordan and Gaza demonstrated. Now Egypt and the PA basically all act as subcontractors to Israel, although the PA has been shaken to the core with its latest betrayal.

Pragmatists don’t and should not disregard human rights. Palestinians have endured continued suppression of their rights, not just at the hands of Israel, but the West in general. They are not about to give up.

But we can’t wind back the clock. The international consensus calls for two states and a negotiated resolution of the refugee issue.
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October 10, 2009 7:24pm
toad

And now for something completely different!

Sad, in many ways, that the Israeli blockade of Gaza has led to this.
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October 10, 2009 7:30pm
philu

are you crying/calling out for an intervention there..?

jabba..?

why the fuck do you want to eat/drink yourself to an early death..?

(you wanna ‘go out’ watching bathurst..with a beer in one hand..?..and a burger in the other..?..)

i’m nearly the age you say you plan on checking out at..

and i am as healthy as i have ever been..more healthy/fit than many other times in the life..

i am vegan..don’t drink..do yoga..do light exercise…

and feel like a million dollars..

(it’s a magic formula..i’m telling ya..!

oh..!..and a couple of dogs..

you get to walk them..)

i mean..f.f.s..!

grow up..!

eh..?..

and stop wallowing in piss/animal fat..

straighten up..!

and fly right..!

(btw..cannabis is much better/’nicer’ than stinking old alcohol..eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 7:31pm
philu

are you rich jabba..?

you can hire me as your personal life coach..

(it won’t be cheap..

but i’ll give/guarantee you a whole new life..)

and what’s the value of that ..?..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 7:36pm
philu

you’d get go-kart racing..

and some toy replica cars to play with..

as a form of methadone..

to help you through your bathurst-withdrawals..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 10, 2009 7:38pm
Southern Raider

Toad they live in poverty because
– the other middle eastern countries want to keep them that way
– billions of aid money is in swiss bank accounts
– Hamas is more interested in rockets than the economy
– the average family is 8 kids. Thats the average
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October 10, 2009 7:44pm
jabba

thanks for the offer philu .. maybe we could start of with a wrestle to check out each others strength/fitness .. or maybe a row, I may have forgotten to mention that I love to row, maybe you could be our cox!!!
define what is an early death and what is rich?
I actually find eating a burger in 1 hand a little tricky, the beetroot tends to slip out and the sauce drips everywhere .. mmm meat, mmmmm
I refuse to grow up, I find serious people boring, I’m sure you are a bundle of laughs though.
cannibis (any illegal drug) sorry mate, have never touched the stuff and never will .. I will leave that to you. I mean you have to take something to take your mind off a meat free diet. Thank god you weren’t born 100 years ago aye?
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October 10, 2009 7:52pm
philu

if i was born 100 years ago..

all the drugs now illegal…

would still be legal..

i would be able to walk into a pharmacy and buy them..

as you still can in ‘civilised’ countries..

(know your history..!..eh ..?..)

and a ‘wrestle’..?”

how gay..!

(pass..!..)

and always been just a piss-head..?..

eh..?

how fucken boring are you..!

eh..?

so..have we got this right..?

a 53 yr old obese/piss-head/petrol-head..?

it’s an enticing picture you paint there..!

tiger..!

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October 10, 2009 8:00pm
Inventory2

If you were born a hundred years ago Phil, chances are you’d no longer be with us, which would mean that the standard of spelling, punctuation and debate on Kiwiblog would be far better 😉
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