General Debate 6 September 2009

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gravedodger

So we slept in huh, are you also a Dingo Deans Supporter, what a ripper. None of my business in fact but I am glad you are OK
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September 6, 2009 1:07pm
nickb

Its always been quite bad, but is anyone getting quite tired of how Fairfax, and in particular stuff.co.nz, has descended into an open sewer of misleading tabloid rubbish?
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September 6, 2009 1:07pm
Patrick Starr

“TV3’s news team didn’t have much to celebrate last night, with Amanda Gillies’ award for best news reporting for her work on the Victoria bush fires the only bright spot in an otherwise awardless evening”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10595455

hopefully this means Dunckie’s looking for a new job
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September 6, 2009 1:09pm
Redbaiter

Seems like at least the UK Conservative party is showing the spine and initiative sorely lacking in the Key government-

A mass sale of public assets by an incoming Conservative government could include large parts of the BBC and Royal Mail, senior party figures have said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/6142962/Conservatives-float-plans-for-massive-privatisation.html

Go John Redwood (he should be leader)
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September 6, 2009 1:16pm
big bruv

How the hell did Paul Henry not win best presenter?
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September 6, 2009 1:22pm
whalehunter

maybe national has a long term strategy…

starting with payback.

destroy labour, the only real opposition.
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September 6, 2009 1:23pm
gravedodger

I see where 6 teachers at an Auckland school have been caught with inappropriate material on their SCHOOL!!! computer. How in gods or any one else’s name do scum like these get to hold a job where they are so closely involved with our vulnerable and impressionable young. I guess their union supports them. I accept that some would defend them if this was on their home machine BUT THE SCHOOL ONE.
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September 6, 2009 1:24pm
whalehunter

not ‘pc’ enough. we are talking about nz tv awards..
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September 6, 2009 1:25pm
MT_Tinman

I can see why Qantas is struggling, indeed falling to bits (literally).

Anyone associated with those awards is in dire straights.

And don’t worry BB, the slime have a habit of ensuring everyone in their ranks are able to add “Award Winning” in front of their title – I’m sure Henry will get his.
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September 6, 2009 1:42pm
Patrick Starr

“How the hell did Paul Henry not win best presenter?”

Kevin Milne, nice guy, retiring, brain tumor, sympathy, right thing to do …. etc……
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September 6, 2009 1:45pm
MT_Tinman

Gravedodger the “vulnerable and impressionable young” probably told them where to find this “inappropriate material” that was on their SCHOOL computer – if indeed they didn’t actually send it to them.

Grow fucking up!
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September 6, 2009 1:46pm
James

Anyone else read that pathetic shit by Rod Oram in the SST re Act and how National shouldn’t give in to those “Deniers” on Climate change and the need for an ETS?

What a weak pissy man-bitch that twat is…
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September 6, 2009 1:53pm
Brian Smaller

Who else is appalled at the fuss over some Kiwi soldiers writing a message to the Taleban on a bomb? I mean, we are at war with those guys – do you think that they Taleban might get offended that a bomb has a message on it in the millisecond before it vaporises them?. Fuck – I would make sure that all ammunition used in Afghanistan was washed in pigs blood, and let the enemy know it.

The Defence HQ coming out and saying it is “inappropriate” is just insane. How about all those messages to Hitler and Tojo written on bombs in WWII? PC bullshit of the highest order.
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September 6, 2009 2:44pm
Repton

Stuff has a long piece on gang patches. It looks like a mixture of fact, fiction and myth (and I certainly don’t know which is which), but it ends with:

Patches are not worn as much as they used to be, according to the experts. As the gangs increasingly get into drug dealing and organised crime, they want to lower their profile so they don’t attract the attention of the police. That means dressing like everyone else.

“The top-level major players in the drug world, they’re wearing their patches only when they have to,” Stokes says. “The rest of the time they’re driving late model cars and don’t stand out.”

Bans on the public display of patches, he says, “will just hasten what they’re going to be doing over time anyway”.
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[Gang researcher Jarrod] Gilbert and [former policeman Cam] Stokes oppose bans on patches, partly because the patches help police control the gangs. Police often identify the gang members by their colours. If they all wore civvies, how to tell the major players from the associates and “hangabouts”?

“If al Qaeda wore gang patches,” says Gilbert, “the war on terror would be much easier.”
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September 6, 2009 3:32pm
Razork

Oh good another story on Mike King; this time about his reliance on cocaine.

Fuck am I sick of this unfunny prick!
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September 6, 2009 3:46pm
transmogrifier

You’d think the bomb itself would be enough of a message not to have to worry about what the soldiers who are actually charged with deploying it decide to add to it. Can hardly believe it even rates a mention.
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September 6, 2009 3:53pm
transmogrifier

Teachers with questionable material on their laptops: doesn’t really matter what it is or where it came from, the very fact that it is there indicates a lack of judgement that doesn’t fill one with confidence when it comes to the other aspects of the job.
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September 6, 2009 3:55pm
transmogrifier

Paul Henry is a terrible presenter. Or rather, he needs to be hosting something else that better makes use of his giggly sarcasm. It gets old fast on a breakfast show.

Though, who to replace him with? Everyone else is a charisma vacuum. Peter Williams? *falls into a coma*
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September 6, 2009 3:55pm
Viking2

Lots of piss off subjects about. Looks like politics is going under cover. DPF is avoiding the hard subjects like out tax breaks and the smacking and so on So roll on summer and we can forget. Except we wont. will we BB.
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September 6, 2009 4:36pm
Jack5

New topic for a minute if I may…

Am I being hypercritical in thinking the NZ Hooerald tip toes on ethnic issues?

Of a couple of apparent scamsters (link below) it uses the term “Chinese-born Kiwis”. In pre-PC days this would have been “naturalised NZ citizens”? Or “Chinese immigrants with NZ citizenship”.

If multiculturalism is as good as the Hooerald would like us to believe, what is wrong with being more confident in describing ethnicity of immigrants?

I note that in reports from America, nonpareil in welcoming and absorbing ethnicities, people of foreign birth are typically described as naturalised American citizens. Is this too daring for us?

The link:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10595494
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September 6, 2009 4:40pm
MikeNZ

Brian
I am.
the top brass need their nuts through a wringer and get real.
we train them to kill people and kill effectively, what do they expect?
To put a note on it asking for forgiveness.
Jerry whatisarse needs to go through his PC brigade and give them a sorting out.

Trans
I look forward to the teachers being treated even more harshly than a member of the public.
just like we expect the police and judges to be treated if they break the law.
teachers registrations should be pulled as a matter of course and they have to reapply.

viking2
No we won’t.
are you going to John Boscawens meeting Monday night in Mt Roskill? at a school Hay something or other 7.30pm
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September 6, 2009 4:42pm
Jack5

Further on the Herald’s report of the migrant scamsters…

Lower in the story it is apparent that Niue had plans to sell NZ citizenship. As part of New Zealand, Niue citizens have open entry to NZ. Niue had plans to offer residency to Chinese at $200,000 a pop.

One Ralph Zhu, a naturalised NZ citizen in all probability, seems to have been part of the company linked to the action.

This country is being sold out, left, right, and centre. Time I think, folk, for a new right wing party in NZ. And no, Winston Peters doesn’t qualify.
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September 6, 2009 4:49pm
MikeNZ

viking2
Boscawens meet.
http://www.mandm.org.nz/
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September 6, 2009 5:04pm
Jack5

More media crap… this time for the Sunday Star Times on gang patches (link below).The article is actually quite interesting and shows what low IQ trash make up the gangs.

However, the newspaper describes the patches as badges of honour, and prisons expert Greg Newbold calls them sacred symbols rather like a nation’s flag.

Should a mainstream newspaper, especially the one with perhaps the country’s largest circulation, lend any credence to these scumbags by using such metaphors to describe their clothing? I think it’s like describing the swastika as a badge of honour or Pol Pot’s black uniforms as being sacred.

The link:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2838209/What-the-gang-patch-means
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September 6, 2009 5:10pm
nickb

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2838964/Greens-blast-Rambo-tactics-in-Afghanistan

Ok sorry Keith Locke, just a bit confused, your comments here are related to protecting the environment how?
Your party’s name suggests protecting the environment is its main reason for being, thats right isnt it?
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September 6, 2009 5:43pm
Hurf Durf

“Rambo tactics?” Not Rambo enough, because the Taliban are still there.

Good to see Queef Locke keeping us updated as to where the Gween’s loyalties truly lie.
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September 6, 2009 5:56pm
Hurf Durf

Be still, my beating heart. I’d love to see that fat fuck go down in a ball of flame.
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September 6, 2009 6:01pm
Brian Smaller

That Keith Locke should be airdropped on Afghanistan. He would bore the Taleban to death.

The deaths of those ninety people is the responsibility of the Taleban. They hijacaked the fuel trucks, it was in an area under their control. Fuck, civillians die in war. Sad but true. You would think that after 30 years of war in that country people would know not to gather in large numbers around groups of Taleban.
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September 6, 2009 7:39pm
XChequer

Nick B

Good call. I am actually disgusted with the Greens actions once again.

Once again, they show no respect for those who defend our shores and use something for purely political purposes.

I wish we could sit down with Keith L and just tell him (so he actually gets it) what it is like in the military. We train these people for conflict which is aggressive by nature. Then he asks those same people to contain that aggression when it suits the green party – yet remain “professional” enough to do their jobs.

What a complete wanker!

I feel bad about calling them that and on these forums I try to refrain from language like that. But there is nothing else for it except these people are wankers! I know of no better description. DPF, this subject must be worth a post. For no other reason than the pure lack of empathy with the people that the Green party purport to want to represent. New Zealanders.
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September 6, 2009 8:18pm
Viking2

Mikenz; In Tauranga.

Change of subject.
The internet freedom guys might want to look at this.

Porn scandal forces Burning Man image crackdown

By Kate Schneider

NEWS.com.au http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,28318,26025072-5002900,00.html

September 06, 2009 09:00am
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September 6, 2009 8:19pm
Patrick Starr

“We have been led to believe that the NZDF unit at Bagram was purely to facilitate the delivery of supplies through to our Provincial Reconstruction Team in Bamien province,” said Green Party MP Keith Locke.”

Locke ya Dork, it’s obvious the NZDF unit were delivering the provincial reconstruction team their Demon energy drinks…. duh
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September 6, 2009 8:25pm
philu

have you ever tried nose-breathing..?..

xchqr…?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 6, 2009 8:32pm
nickb

Good to see some posters are fine with the Greens sympathising with terrorists and fascist governments that murder civilians
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September 6, 2009 8:43pm
Steve

Quiet today. Father’s Day.
Once a year Dad is remembered. I spent a few hours with my grandaughter and grandsons, I looked through photo albums of my family.
Remember your Dad?
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September 6, 2009 8:53pm
philu

“..and fascist governments that murder civilians..”

is that america you ae talking about..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 6, 2009 9:00pm
Steve

fuck off phool. do the disapearing act like forever
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September 6, 2009 9:01pm
Brian Smaller

How many American citizens have been killed by their government Philu? 70 million like Mao did? 30 million like Stalin did? 2 million like Pol Pot?
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September 6, 2009 9:02pm
Rakaia George

Teachers caught with inappropriate material? What, league tables?
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September 6, 2009 9:06pm
Hurf Durf

Didn’t you get the memo, phool? Obama won. Progressivism reigns. The world loves the red, white ‘n’ blue again!

..eh?..

Speaking of which, his environmental czar Van Jones resigned a few hours ago after Beck and the blogs exposed him as a fruitloop. LOL!
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September 6, 2009 9:06pm
Steve

Phool,
Stick it where the global warming sun dont shine.
Quite a few Americans would like to grab your nuts and make you scream forever
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September 6, 2009 9:09pm
nickb

I just think that the Green Party are one big irony.
One one hand, they support civil liberties when it is trendy and suits them, such as the Zaoui case.
One the other hand, they support outrageous intrusions into the private life of citizens through the anti-smacking bill and the powers it gives CYFS and the police.
Any Green government would also have the “rich pricks” having upwards of 50% of their income taken from them in taxes, a sure sign you are living in a free country full of civil liberties.

Then we have their pacifist stance, again cynical and only for the “trendy” causes, of course attacking greedy capitalism in the form of America gathers far more young naive supporters than condemning the murderous fascist regimes a free country would oppose.

Say what you like about George Bush (and I am not a fan) but not enough NZers sleep soundly knowing that America is the free world’s main defense against religious facism
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September 6, 2009 9:13pm
Redbaiter

FOX talk show host Glenn Beck and the Gateway Pundit blog take down one of Obama’s commie Czars.

…and once again, through its craven inaction, the sickeningly biased mainstream media get exposed for the left wing propaganda front it really is.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2333242/posts

More power to FOX news and the blogosphere.

Now for the rest of those commie bastards.
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September 6, 2009 9:14pm
Cerium

I think there is too much polarisation, we could do with more of a latitudinarian political approach.
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September 6, 2009 9:15pm
TimG_Oz

Les Twentyman is an Australian Aid worker who I diasgree with on a great many things. This is scary though:

“Parents risking their children’s mental health with cannabis”

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,26034058-661,00.html

“Kids are growing up in families who haven’t worked in three or four generations and they believe taking drugs is normal because that’s all they know,”
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September 6, 2009 10:40pm

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