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September 28, 2009 5:14am by David Farrar

General Debate 28 September 2009

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Hurf Durf

Lot of Greentard trolls out and about today.
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September 28, 2009 4:36pm
Elijah Lineberry

Red, why on earth would I need protecting from you? ..I find you harmless and great fun to watch; cannot wait to meet you in person for a cup of tea and a chat.

If you are interested there is a ‘Blogger’s Drinks’ in Auckland at Galbraith’s Pub, Symonds St/Mt Eden Rd intersection, 6:30pm Thursday; pop along and meet some of the chaps as I am sure you will enjoy yourself.

http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com
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September 28, 2009 4:39pm
Redbaiter

“If you can show me ONE comment I’ve made, ever, that deserves a ‘Lifetime Ban’, then I’ll voluntarily remove myself from Kiwiblog permanantly and never return under any guise.”

Time you fucked off then-

Demerits page-

“Greenfly – 1 week ban until 25 April 2009 and them permanent for impersonating DPF despite explicit warning to stop.”
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September 28, 2009 4:39pm
grumpyoldhori

What a bunch of wimps, I still use a cut throat along with the old fashioned brush and soap.
Gives a great shave and no wucking flurries about the wife nicking it to do her legs.
Of course I do get through a few plasters 🙂
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September 28, 2009 4:40pm
Redbaiter

“cannot wait to meet you in person for a cup of tea and a chat”

Sorry you odious smearing cowardly little fag. I couldn’t think of a bigger waste of time. Just hang around here for a while and you’ll be hung out to dry soon enough.
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September 28, 2009 4:42pm
Elijah Lineberry

I invited you to a social event where you could meet in person various chaps you apparently have a beef with.
This would involve looking chaps in the eye and stating your piece rather than hiding behind a keyboard.
You decline the offer…

I shall leave it up to kiwiblog readers to draw their own conclusions and decide who is cowardly 😉

http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com
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September 28, 2009 4:47pm
Redbaiter

“I shall leave it up to kiwiblog readers to draw their own conclusions and decide who is cowardly”

Anybody who read your yellow backed attack on Redbaiter on the Not PC thread you referenced would have little trouble detecting that.

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“I was going to mention fears for the safety of Mrs Baiter (or Batter?) were she to commit the sin of correcting him on something –

Red: “pass the honey”
Mrs Baiter: “ummmmm…that is raspberry jam, dear”
Red: “You f**king B**ch! you dare to question me???? it is honey because I say it is honey you f**king communist infiltrator” …
[the neighbours block their ears to the sound of punches, kicks and screaming]

Unquote

After that you have the goddamn nerve to ask me to join you in a cup of tea?/

Get rational you queer little yellow back.

[DPF: Okay both of you can consider the flamewar at an end]
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September 28, 2009 4:58pm
dad4justice

The left are insidious creeps.
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September 28, 2009 5:00pm
Hurf Durf

Obama’s strangely consistent smile
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September 28, 2009 5:12pm
village idiot

Redbaiter. Are you thick?
Here’s my challenge again, this time with emphasis to help you understand:

“If you can show me ONE comment I’ve made, ever, that deserves a ‘Lifetime Ban’, then I’ll voluntarily remove myself from Kiwiblog permanantly and never return under any guise.”

Come on Red. Do it!

[DPF: You’re lucky to be back at all. I’m declaring this topic dead.]
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September 28, 2009 5:40pm
racer2

Test…
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September 28, 2009 6:01pm
pentwig

Greenfly

Perhaps it’s time to return to Frogblog and answer phools searching questions in the general debate on how the green party is self destructing. Strangely, he makes a valid argument, with the exception of Sue B taking on Nikki and winning Auck. Central.
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September 28, 2009 6:02pm
lofty

Whew sorry I asked red..
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September 28, 2009 6:04pm
village idiot

Hey Redbaiter. Lucky break.
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September 28, 2009 6:16pm
village idiot

4 U
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September 28, 2009 6:17pm
Hurf Durf

Oh no, here comes racehurr1’s angrier and more stupid twin brother.
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September 28, 2009 6:21pm
getstaffed

My first peek at the General Debate thread today.

OMG … it has the sensory allure of a silage freight train wreck.

Pass.
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September 28, 2009 6:37pm
Steve

No shit sherlock
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September 28, 2009 7:29pm
Steve

Trouble is DPF canceled real names, so idiots had a field day.
All set up with the full names and the visitors came, you know, all those timewasters who are on blogs all day via Govt computers
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September 28, 2009 7:34pm
Steve

Which is why I did not give my full name as I work for the Department of …….
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September 28, 2009 7:35pm
dad4justice

The Department of Blogs Steve? Talk about gummint time wasters on glide time makes my fucking blood boil. Sack them all as they’re just parasitic moronic shit heaps of useless lard.
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September 28, 2009 7:44pm
Steve

D4J, You can sack them, but they just end up in another place. The State Servants just move places, they will never get a real job.
“parasitic moronic shit heaps of useless lard” ??? Too kind.
It does not matter which Political Party is the Govt, the State Servants are still there doing their own little thing …
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September 28, 2009 7:55pm
big bruv

Meanwhile…..

While we fuck around arguing with an irrelevant communist like Greenfly one of his/her(Greenfly’s) good mates is trying his hardest to kick off WW3.

The sooner the Yanks (cos we sure as hell cannot wait for the fucking useless UN) go in and blast the hell out of Iran the better.
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September 28, 2009 8:52pm
virtualmark

Gee big bruv … just who is trying his hardest to kick off WW3 again???

Dontcha think “The sooner the Yanks go in and blast the hell out of Iran the better” qualifies for WW3-dom???
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September 28, 2009 9:17pm
philu

the seven ages of rock..is on prime..now..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 28, 2009 9:37pm
racer2

How is “The nuclear deterrent” supposed to work if both sides don’t have them?
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September 28, 2009 10:05pm
racer2

“Redbaiter

Why didn’t they start the march in Beijing, where the Chicom Generals are spending almost every dollar they earn in overseas exchange on expanding their fleet of nuclear submarines??”

I don’t know why the generals would launch a military attack on the USA, which carries massive risk, when instead the accountants could destroy their economy over night with the stroke of a pen?
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September 28, 2009 10:16pm
Luc Hansen

I realise it is probably unrealistically optimistic to expect anything resembling reasoned debate on this thread, but what the heck…

Those who call for a US ( or a US sanctioned Israeli) attack on Iran need first to address some pertinent issues. Most important is this: the IAEA reports to date only minor disagreements with Iran in the process of its wide ranging inspections regime currently operating in Iran, and Iran is the single most-inspected country in the world, and instead have not detected any moves by Iran to begin a weapons programme. These are the facts.

Even Bush resisted Cheney’s demands to attack Iran and although I am not privy to his thinking, I can only assume that he accepted advice indicating horrendous consequences for the region and the world in general. I am not sure of the actual figure, but huge amounts of oil are shipped through the Straits of Hormuz, and Iran would certainly aim to disrupt or stop that shipping. I once read that one supertanker sunk in the right position would render the straits impassable. For NZ, petrol under $2/litre would quickly become a distant dream and we could dismiss any thoughts of economic recovery for a long long time.

I’m assuming the Obama administration has accepted the same advice as Bush so any pressure for military action is being led by Israel, which, with an hypocrisy possibly unsurpassed in the history of the world, itself possesses undeclared nuclear weapons. It’s constant scare tactics aimed at keeping its own citizens in terror of a non-existent threat from Iran is reprehensible, to put it mildly.

Why do I say the threat is non-existent? First, any in depth study of the inflammatory, even foolish, remarks of the current president have been distorted to the point of being a causus belli. Yet Iran has not threatened Israel with war, and it would be very foolish if it did. Second, Israel alone, let alone with the added and inevitable support of the US, has so many nukes that in the fantastical scenario of an Iranian attack on Israel, the end result would be tantamount to collective suicide for Iranians and possibly many millions of Iran’s neighbours as well – it’s called fallout.

So what’s it all about?

For Israel, its about sustaining the reputation that that country cherishes, that of a rabid dog that kills without compunction, as in Gaza recently, and diverting world attention away from the injustices, war crimes and breaches of international law it visits upon the dispossessed Palestinians on a daily basis: http://www.theheadlines.org

For Iran, its about a shoring up support for an increasingly unpopular regime, diverting its own peoples’ attention from the worsening internal situation and economic mismanagement. Its also about mastering the fuel enrichment cycle and getting to a ” threshold” capability from which a weapons programme could be launched at short notice in the event of Israel or the US turning feral again.

For the US, we can only hope that there is increasing recognition that promoting wars in the ME is counterproductive. And that they engage with Iran, find out what assurances it seeks to neutralise the threatening postures of the US and Israel and provide them. Iran is playing this game with a purpose in mind. It is more about defense than war. And it is more about non-military gains than conquest.

And another really really positive step the US could take is force Israel back to its Green Line boundaries, or thereabouts, and allow Palestinians their full legal and human rights.
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September 28, 2009 10:22pm
Hurf Durf

Iran is a threat backed by Russia and China to humiliate the West, the “Palestinians” are incapable of self-governance, Israel has a right to defend itself from Muslim aggression. That’s it in a nutshell. Welcome to the world of international power politics where our enemies seek gains at our expense. Deal with it.
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September 28, 2009 10:30pm
racer2

Durf, the Bush Doctrine is so last year (and illegal, opps!), get the fuck over yourself.
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September 28, 2009 10:39pm
virtualmark

Luc, I wouldn’t be so sanguine that Iran’s nuclear programme has peaceful intentions. Iran is tackling levels of nuclear enrichment that go beyond the (low) levels needed for a civilian reactor. Their centrifuge cascades are clearly aimed at producing the small amounts of highly enriched uranium that you need for a bomb.

That said, it seems they are still several years away from having a workable nuclear device (ie a rudimentary test bomb) and even more years away from having a deliverable bomb that they could mate to a missile.

So, probably fair to say that Iran is up to nefarious purposes, but still has a while to go before they get there.

As for Israel’s nukes … fair to say that the Western world trusts Israel to breathe through its nose before using them. Israel has a clear nuclear change of command and nuclear release authorities. They are trusted to not get hot-headed and lob WMDs at people. I don’t think anyone has quite the same degree of confidence around the Iranian’s. Their chain of command is just too circuitous and unclear to give anyone confidence that they can be trusted with WMDs.
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September 28, 2009 10:43pm
Hurf Durf

Who said I supported a strike on Iran, felcher?
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September 28, 2009 10:44pm
racer2

Talking to yourself again?
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September 28, 2009 10:58pm
freethinker

[DPF: For those who are as stupid as you, the point is ACT getting 4.9% instead of 5.0% doesn’t have any significance. For the Greens to be below 5.0% is a disaster as they get wiped out. Apologies to those who didn’t need the fuller explanation]

Not often I disagree with DPF – The greens under 5% would be a delight and a relief
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September 28, 2009 11:27pm
Luc Hansen

Well now, Virtual, while your post is more thoughtful than most on this site, I certainly take issue with your assumption of an aggressive Iranian intent. This is a country that has been subjected to Western imperialism and ongoing aggression simply because of its oil and gas reserves, so coveted by the West.

I am much more sanguine about Iran’s desire to deter future aggression than I am about Israel. Israel is recognised as a belligerent occupier of the Palestinian territories and the Golan Heights, as such it is responsible for the welfare of those people under occupation. It continually attacks and slaughters a virtually defenseless population, using legal weapons in an illegal manner and committing clear war crimes with not only impunity (so far) but the complicity of the so-called civilised countries. It is also well known that Israel has a plan to let its nukes loose in the event they are facing catastrophe, one which is not necessarily a military threat.

In addition, people do not seem to understand how weak Iran is. Its weaponry is based mainly on home grown technology and would be easily overcome even by Israel acting alone, although a full scale invasion would lead to an Iraq style insurgency which the West has shown itself to be largely incapable of defeating.

This whole debate is about driving us all into an unnecessary war against an imaginary foe. The voting demographics of Iran are rapidly changing and the people are not hostile to the West. They want to be like us, and we need to support them in those aspirations.
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September 29, 2009 9:50am
Hurf Durf

THA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZ are a threat, but poor innocent defenceless Iran isn’t. Read you loud and clear, you fruitloop.

WAR CRIMES WAR WAR CRIMES WAR CRIMES WAR CRIMES CRIMES WAR CRIMES WAR CRIMES WAR CRIMES. I’ve heard that phrase so many times over the last six years it’s become meaningless.
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