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General Debate 24 September 2009

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philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/the-rights-middle-finger-spirit-of-contrarianismthe-ragemeisters-of-the-right/

“..“..It’s as American as rock ‘n’ roll, but there’s a price for being an angry jerk

The president has declined to talk about racism in connection with the carpet-chewers of the right who are suffering road rage over his existence..

.. and he’s wise to turn that one down.”

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September 24, 2009 9:02am
Redbaiter

What’s happening?

Don’t tell me the utterly politically corrupt mainstream media are turning??

Don’t tell me that the propagandising Progressives at the New York Times have finally understood the effect their politically partisan interpretation of the news is having on their rapidly falling share price??

Or maybe it was the threat of having their offices besieged by tea Party protesters.

Whatever, the yellow cowards have today come out with an article that actually includes some reluctant praise of Sarah Palin for a speech she gave in Hong Kong.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/us/politics/24palin.html?_r=1

Example-

Mr. Goodé, a New Yorker who said he would never vote for Mrs. Palin, said she acquitted herself well.

“They really prepared her well,” he said. “She was articulate and she held her own. I give her credit. They’ve tried to categorize her as not being bright. She’s bright.”

Further-

“Mrs. Palin emphasized the need for a grassroots rebirth of the Republican Party driven by party leaders outside Washington.”

..and she’s damn right there. The current Republicans are a bunch of traitors to the ideals they should defend and promote, (much the same as the current National Party).
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September 24, 2009 9:03am
kaya

Sorry for cutting and pasting this but I can’t link to it as it is an email I received, not a website. These are a selection of some letters to the editor of Viz magazine. For those who haven’t read it, Viz is a toilet humour British magazine, some of it is very funny. Here are some of the reader’s piss take letters.

Letters to the editor of VIZ (For Non Brits VIZ is a comic of toilet
humour)

Hats off to the witty burglars who stole my entire CD collection with
the exception of “There is Nothing Left to Lose” by the Foo Fighters. I
hope that when sentencing, the judge takes into account their splendid
sense of humour. Chris Scaife, Jesmond

What’s all this nonsense about that 66-year-old Romanian woman being
the world’s oldest mum? My mum’s 77. Beat that.

Peter Andre might look smug in all his wedding pictures, but I’d just
like to remind him that, as a Playboy reader, I have seen his wife’s
m!nge. He hasn’t seen my wife’s, so who’s had the last laugh?
P Boddington, Ringway

Imagine my shock at getting a letter from my doctor advising me I only
had a month to live but thankfully the letter was not for me but for my
son with the same name who lives with us. Close call, Yours

What is it with diabetics? One minute they’re on the floor with a
loved one standing by screaming “Give him some chocolate! Give him some
chocolate!” The next day someone offers them a piece of chocolate and
quick as a flash they say “No thanks, I’m diabetic.” I wish they’d get
their story straight.

WHY DON’T NHS bosses start hiring obsessive compulsives as nurses?
Their attention to hygiene and constant hand washing would see an end to
MRSA outbreaks in no time.

Why is it that pubs won’t serve me if I’m drunk, but McDonalds
continue serving them fat f***ers? Its hardly fair.

Never mind ventriloquists like Keith Harris and Roger DeCourcey. What
about Professor Stephen Hawking? I saw him on telly blathering on
about
galaxies for hours and I never saw his lips move once. Genius

The person who coined the phrase “as different as chalk and cheese”
obviously hadn’t tasted Kwik Save’s cheddar.

They say football is a game of two halves. Not for me it isn’t. I
regularly down eight or nine pints whilst watching a live game on Sky TV
in my local.

If, as Freddie Mercury claimed, fat bottomed girls make the rocking
world go round, isn’t it about time that the city of Glasgow received
some recognition for its contribution to astrophysics?

These so-called speed bumps are a joke. If anything, they slow you
down

We should remember the tremendous contribution of the Queen Mother to
the war effort: as the BBC pointed out, she “bravely remained in London
beside her husband” during the war. This contrasts sharply with the
actions of my grandfather who, on the declaration of war immediately
left his wife and children and p*ssed off, first to France , then North
Africa , Italy , France (again) and finally Germany . The shame will
always be with us.

Like the Queen Mum, my grandfather was a frequent visitor to the East
End during the dark days of the blitz, but he was never hailed as a hero
by the people of London . That’s because he flew Heinkel bombers for the
Luftwaffe. Werner Hoffman, Munich

So Sting is able to shag his wife for five hours without going off. I
know how he feels. My wife is no oil painting either.

I heard recently that, on average, Gordon Brown receives two turds in
the post each week. What I want to know is……………. who’s sending
the other one?
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September 24, 2009 9:05am
RightNow

thanks kaya, best post!
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September 24, 2009 9:13am
virtualmark

Kaya, I’m sorry that I can only give you 1 +ve karma
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September 24, 2009 9:15am
Clint Heine

Brilliant Kaya.

Since it’s the General Debate lets toast for the first reading of the VSM bill! Lets hope the Nats have the stomach to let it go all the way!!
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September 24, 2009 9:18am
nickb

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/unions-slam-student-association-bill-3012351

What the fuck does this have to do with protecting worker’s rights?
Does anyone still believe the major trade unions are not just branches of Labour, and vice versa?

Edit: Awesome kaya
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September 24, 2009 9:20am
lofty

Hats off to the Aussies for sending us billions of tons of arable dust, to settle on our farmland.

The greens have reported that Aussie will not be liable for any carbon tax payments for 100 years, due to offsetting credits by NZ farmers producing lots of green stuff with their new soil.
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September 24, 2009 9:23am
Clint Heine

It’s the CTU. They would willingly want to go back to compulsory trade union membership too. Remember, student flunkies usually progress from working for their student union into either working for Labour/Greens or into the union movement. Not a single honest days work the lot of them
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September 24, 2009 9:24am
CraigM

IRONY = a raving nutter with a terrorist past criticising the UN & The Security Council…..and being right.

http://blogs.ft.com/rachmanblog/2009/09/how-gaddafi-upstaged-obama/

“U.N. climate meeting was propaganda: Czech president”

and big ups for the Czech President telling it like it is. It might not get him invited to too many Embassy cocktail parties but hopefully it will help him sell his books 🙂

DPF’s Czech readers should be proud of their top man. It can’t be easy to be the lone voice of reason in the nut house.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE58L6ID20090922
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September 24, 2009 9:26am
nickb

Yea I reckon Clint.
So VSM passed its 1st reading last night? Trying to find a link. Did Labour vote for it?
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September 24, 2009 9:26am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/5-things-the-corporate-media-dont-want-you-to-know-about-cannabis/

“..Recent scientific reports suggest that pot doesn’t destroy your brain, that it doesn’t cause lung damage like tobacco —

– but you won’t hear it in the corporate media.

Writing in the journal Science nearly four decades ago, New York State University sociologist Erich Goode documented the media’s complicity in maintaining cannabis prohibition.

He observed: “[T]ests and experiments purporting to demonstrate the ravages of marijuana consumption receive enormous attention from the media..

.. and their findings become accepted as fact by the public.

But when careful refutations of such research are published, or when later findings contradict the original pathological findings..

.. they tend to be ignored or dismissed.”

A glimpse of today’s mainstream media landscape indicates that little has changed —

– with news outlets continuing to, at best, underreport the publication of scientific studies that undermine the federal government’s longstanding pot propaganda ..

.. and, at worst, ignore them all together.

Here are five recent stories the mainstream media doesn’t want you to know about pot:..”

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 24, 2009 9:27am
lofty

Is it just me , or has anyone else noted that as soon as philu comments, everyone else drys up?

Stunned silence I reckon.

Such is your charm phil.
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September 24, 2009 9:38am
Chuck Bird

The MOH tries to discourage men from getting tested. Imagine if the gave the same advise to women when it related to breast cancer.

http://tvnz.co.nz/health-news/prostate-cancer-test-age-now-40-3011617

Prostate cancer test age now at 40

New Zealand specialists say men as young as 40 should have regular prostate checks, because they believe waiting until 50 is just too risky.

A case in point is Sydney man Ross Jeffrey, who discovered he had prostate cancer at the age of 46, after his doctor encouraged him to have a blood test.

Jeffery says he used to think prostate cancer was an old man’s disease.

“There was no family history of cancer and so there was no symptoms.”

But Jeffery is glad he was made aware of the disease as early as possible.

“I know I made the right decision by being proactive, by talking to my GP.”

Around 500 New Zealand and Australian men in their 40s are diagnosed with prostate cancer each year.

The Urological Society says that is 500 too many and have made an announcement saying men should not wait until they are 50 to get a check-up.

Dr David Malouf of the Urological Society says a single test is very helpful.

“A single test at the age of 40 is a strong predictor of your prostate cancer risk,” he says.

They say if that test reveals a PSA blood level higher than 0.6, then there is risk.

“Even men who do not have a family history can develop prostate cancer in their 40s, and by having a single PSA test at the age of 40, men can be stratified into high risk and low risk and have follow-ups scheduled accordingly,” says Malouf.

However, there are fears that the new advice could do more harm than good, as prostate testing for men without symptoms is medically controversial.

Some, like the National Health Committee, say the PSA blood test is unreliable, throwing up far too many false positive and negative results and can set in train a raft of medical interventions which may cause more harm.

Dr Jim Vause of the College of GPs says the tests are issues that GPs and patients need to weigh up.

“Its better that they seek information rather than just seek the test, that’s the message, they’ve got to be informed,” says Vause.

Urologists agree it is an individual’s decision in conjunction with their GP.

Dying unnecessarily

The news comes on the same day a parliamentary select committee were told that hundreds of men were unnecessarily dying of prostate cancer every year because doctors refuse to test them.

New Zealand Prostate Cancer Foundation president Barry Young told the Health Select Committee that some doctors, unaware of the benefits, were turning away men who had requested prostate cancer tests.

“That’s a death sentence, yet it’s happening here in this country.”

Prostate cancer testing guidelines are confusing and some doctors are unaware of the benefits of early testing as a result, Young says.

“The attitude of some members of the medical profession has indeed led to the deaths of men in this country,” he says.

Although public awareness of prostate cancer is an issue, doctors also need to be better informed, Young says.

“We need an education programme for the medical profession in this country.”

Men over 40 need to be tested regularly because prostate cancer does not present symptoms until it begins to spread throughout the body, Young says.

A national prostate cancer screening programme should be implemented, he says.
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September 24, 2009 9:39am
Manolo

““..Recent scientific reports suggest that pot doesn’t destroy your brain…”

Yes, Whoar…and you are living proof of it.
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September 24, 2009 9:46am
stephen

nickb, read your article! “The bill passed its first reading 64-58 on Wednesday. Labour, the Greens and the Maori Party opposed it.” el-oh-el 😀 😀
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September 24, 2009 9:46am
philu

chuck..as i understand it..the major problem with the current testing system..

is that it throws up so many false positives and negatives..

(..with the obvious hideous unnecessary surgery/untreated cancers outcomes..)

..so..’till a better testing system is devised…

..maybe you should shelve yr feminist conspiracy theories..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 24, 2009 9:47am
Pete George

“Prostate cancer test age now at 40”

It’s difficult to know how many things should be tested from what age and how often. It’s easy to have a “she’ll be right” attitude. It’s also easy to get paranoid and overdo it.

There is more risk on the road driving to the doctor than there is of going undiagnosed. All of life is a risk, just have to try and find a good balance. And don’t die from worrying.
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September 24, 2009 9:53am
Brian Smaller

philu – You are unlikely to get prostate cancer but are in real danger of getting prostrate cancer, as you spend so much time lying around on your lazy arse.
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September 24, 2009 9:58am
tom hunter

Re the MSM in the US – and the point applies in NZ also – take a look at this article in by Matt Welch in the libertarian magazine Reason. Welch takes quite a poke at all the pathetic rationalising being spouted by the usual suspects as to why they “missed” the whole ACORN story.

I especially liked his last line, which I think is actually being too kind to them:

Newspapers, especially those with national aspirations, still lack the ability to process or even talk about news that emanates from frowned-upon pockets in the great media ecosystem. And in hiding behind the shield of News Judgment, they all too frequently advertise the fact that theirs is being proven inadequate.
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September 24, 2009 9:59am
Ryan Sproull

philu – You are unlikely to get prostate cancer but are in real danger of getting prostrate cancer, as you spend so much time lying around on your lazy arse.

Heh heh.
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September 24, 2009 9:59am
Brian Smaller

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2896358/Five-years-pay-freeze-warning-for-state-sector

Boo fucking hoo to state sector workers – welcome to the real world the rest of us have had to live with for years. Now listen to them prate and wail about how hard done by they are. I can’t wait until Helen Kelly comes out with another “they will leave and seek work in the private sector” nonsense statement. They already, on average, earn more than comparable jobs in the private sector.
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September 24, 2009 10:03am
philu

howard morrison has died..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 24, 2009 10:06am
lofty

Thanks Philu..
I am sorry to hear that, love him or not he was a great entertainer.
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September 24, 2009 10:09am
Brian Smaller

Philu – was it on the radio? Sir Howard performed a number at a benefit/memorial concert for my best friend, bassist Kenny Pearson, who was killed back in 1992. Great bloke.
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September 24, 2009 10:13am
bearhunter

“howard morrison has died..”

Sorry to hear that. Consummate entertainer, if a bit weird at times.
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September 24, 2009 10:14am
philu

“..# Manolo (705) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 1 Says:
September 24th, 2009 at 9:46 am

““..Recent scientific reports suggest that pot doesn’t destroy your brain…”

Yes, Whoar…and you are living proof of it..”

indeed..!..my use these days is modest…but i consumed herculean amounts for many many years..

then went to uni..and got a masters degrees(hons)..

go figure..!

(now..had i used anywhere near as much alcohol..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 24, 2009 10:15am
Chuck Bird

Phil, I am aware that PSA is not an absolute test. However, it gives a very good indication.

If prostate cancer is detected early before it spreads treatment is definitely beneficial.

If men get regular checks a change or a trend is a very good indication for further tests.

The MOH should advice men to get regular checks.
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September 24, 2009 10:16am
philu

smaller..tvnz broke it..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 24, 2009 10:17am
philu

chuck..you seem to be ignoring the main reason..

too many false positives…and negatives..

so..clearly..it is not ‘ a very good indication.’..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 24, 2009 10:19am
philu

y’know..if you want to worry about cancers..

try checking the cancers caused by animal fats/flesh..

cancers that we have some of the highest rates of..

once again..

go figure..!

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 24, 2009 10:21am
menace

Given the fact that misuse of alcohol cost the nation 4.4 billion dollars in 2005/2006 and cannabis cost nearly nothing by comparison when you take into account how cannabis’s cost’s are created then its plainly obvious that the laws are actually very wrong.
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September 24, 2009 10:23am
david

Brian Smaller @10:13
My interpretation of Bill English’s speech was that funding would likely stay stable for 3~5 years. Only one (sensationalistic) interpretation of that is that there will be a wage freeze.

Rather, if you subscribe to the maxim that the only constant is change, an equal interpretation could be that smart public sector CE’s will lean down their activities, weed out dead wood, find smarter ways of achieving outcomes, actually define outcomes (radical I know), and there will be plenty of dosh to go around those who are left.

Expecting the MSM to look behind the words is a bit too much to ask as it seems to me that they see their only role being to wind up the great unwashed.
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September 24, 2009 10:24am
TripeWryter

First prize of a dead fish to the first hack who uses the word ‘icon’ or ‘iconic’ to describe Sir Howard Morrison.
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September 24, 2009 10:24am
philu

gee sproull..i thought you were somewhat ‘bigger’ than that..eh..?

my bad/mis-read..!

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 24, 2009 10:25am
side show bob

Anyone catch Gaddafi at the UN, priceless, this man deserves a place in the Melon party, would give poor old Keith a run for his money.
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September 24, 2009 10:26am
Ryan Sproull

I just like linguistic humour, Phil.
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September 24, 2009 10:29am
lofty

Jeeze trypewriter, i came close to using it myself, phew!!!!!

Although I like eating dead fish…beats the shit out of live ones.
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September 24, 2009 10:30am
Luc Hansen

I think I’m in the right place to ask this question:

Has the looney right finally abandoned this idea of ever-lower taxes leading to spectacular economic growth?

After all, the current high priest of Glumness Inc. has pronounced we can’t afford tax cuts cause the economy needs to grow some more first!
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September 24, 2009 10:42am
Jack5

Philu, Philu, Philu …. in a phrigging phlap so early in the day. It must be the Wphanganui air.

First:

Philu’s 10.15 post admits he smoked herculean amounts of marijuana, but then got a master’s degree with honours…

Philu let me guess: in sociology? Feminist studiees? Film studies? In what other subject is the marking of essays the more generous the more you are stoned when you write it?

Second:

Philu attacks prostate blood testing because of its inaccuracies (10.21 post). The facts as I understand them Philu are that the medics perform biopsies after positive blood tests, and only proceed to surgery, radiation etc after these confirm the cancer.

One Philu over the CUckoo’s Nest would be a good film sequel for Jack Nicholson, I suggest.
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September 24, 2009 10:46am
bearhunter

“First prize of a dead fish to the first hack who uses the word ‘icon’ or ‘iconic’ to describe Sir Howard Morrison.”

And a whole bucket of dead fish to the first tool to use the phrase “a mighty totara/kauri has fallen…”

In the media, of course, not just there where I used it…doh.
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September 24, 2009 10:47am
Tauhei Notts

Helen Clark appreciated Key’s gift of Vogels’ bread.
Did anybody hear that Aussie from Goodman Fielder talking on the radio this morning about the great New Zealand company, Goodman Fielder.
My God! those lying Aussies cannot help themselves. I’ll let that paid lyer in on a secret;
“Aussie companies have franking credits attached to their dividends. N.Z. companies have imputation credits attached to their dividends. Goodman Fielder became ineligible to have imputation credits many many years ago.”
I was surprised to see Vogels on sale in central London, earlier this month. It is baked under licence there.
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September 24, 2009 10:48am
lofty

LATEST: Iconic New Zealand entertainer Sir Howard Morrison has died.

Send the dead fish to STUFF trypewriter
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September 24, 2009 10:49am
XChequer

Sir Howard Morrison died today. Sad. A great New Zealander.
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September 24, 2009 10:50am
TripeWryter

Lofty and Bearhunter:
I was going to award the dead fish to NewstalkZB’s 11am news bulletin. Perhaps they and Stuff could hold it jointly.

I don’t want to make light of Sir Howard or his death. He was one of our great Kiwis, and I’m old enough to remember him and his quartet, and he was a source of ‘local’ music, like Johnny Devlin, when we didn’t get a lot of ‘local’ music or artists.

But I think we dishonour people when we trot out the same old cliches. We don’t have to call people ‘icons’, because they’re not.
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September 24, 2009 11:07am
lofty

No argument there trypewriter.
I too remember the good old days.

My old man was a dustman.
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September 24, 2009 11:09am
Brian Smaller

One Philu over the CUckoo’s Nest would be a good film sequel for Jack Nicholson, I suggest.

Ha. Poor old Philu is taking a beating today. That was good.
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September 24, 2009 11:09am
Brian Smaller

No argument there trypewriter.
I too remember the good old days.

My old man was a dustman.

Do you still have his Cor-Blimey trousers?
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September 24, 2009 11:11am
david

bearhunter …

but there was no-one in the forets to hear it. So did it make any sound at all?
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September 24, 2009 11:12am
lofty

@Brian… heh.. no I don’t.
Actually my old man was a sailor, and I do still have his uniform
I just liked the line.
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September 24, 2009 11:21am
lofty

Was Howie the last of the quartet?
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September 24, 2009 11:23am
nickb

Brian- agree with you to an extent re: public service workers at 10.03.
I agree with it insofar that it applies to 6 figure consultants, policy analysts, policy developers, spin doctors etc etc so on and so forth. And I certainly agree with you that the unions that bleat about this comment are boneheaded morons.

However the fact remains that many of those on the bottom in the public service are still wage slaves paying the same amount of tax as the rest of us, I certainly agree with you that much of the fat needs to be cut from the public sector (I would argue that as vociferously as yourself). I just think its perhaps unfair to lump in teachers, nurses, doctors, policeman etc in with the seething mass of useless beauracracy that Labour put in place in its 9 years. In coming out with such statements he is only feeding unions ammo, of course people are reasonable in that we are in a recession, but it perhaps could have been worded ab little bit better.

The fact that Bill English doesn’t appear to separate the 2 groups, and his statement comes from the mouth of perhaps the most prominent and shameless trough snuffler in recent weeks, makes it appear hypocritical and silly in my opinion, but feel free to disagree with me on that.
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September 24, 2009 11:24am
bearhunter

“but there was no-one in the forets to hear it. So did it make any sound at all?”

Yes it did. And the sound of one hand clapping is “cl”.
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September 24, 2009 11:31am
mattyroo

Just had a massive increase in my insurance premiums, so I phone up said company (5 letter word, sounds like mate) to find out why….

They say it is because there is increased risk to living in New Zealand….. because of global warming!! When I told the silly bint that the planet has been cooling for the last decade, her response was classic: “Well we all have to do our bit to ensure we have a sustainable country”.

So, using her logic, insurance premiums now make our country more sustainable….. I must remember that! Sounds like something straight out of the Norman/Bradford/Locke handbook.

The new insurance company was much cheaper, I quizzed them on the increased costs due to “global warming” and they said it was not something that they were aware of that contributed to rising costs.
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September 24, 2009 11:32am
lofty

@mattyroo…incredible, I am fucked for words
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September 24, 2009 11:34am
Ryan Sproull

I do recall someone telling me a few years ago he didn’t believe climate change was a concern because insurance companies haven’t been putting up their premiums.
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September 24, 2009 11:39am
nickb

Lol matty that is unbelievable.
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September 24, 2009 11:40am
lofty

Yes it did. And the sound of one hand clapping is “cl”.

wrong it is “ap”
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September 24, 2009 11:42am
stephen

mattyroo, did they say exactly what the risk was? I assume it was for a property…so worse storm surges would be the guess.
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September 24, 2009 11:50am
scanner

Great to see the justice system at work, how long before he gets out to do it again?

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/6095681/preventive-detention-for-real-estate-agent-kidnapper/
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September 24, 2009 11:53am
bearhunter

Lofty, I did it with my left hand. Perhaps you did it with the right.
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September 24, 2009 11:56am
lofty

Ah yes..thats it bearhunter..silly me
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September 24, 2009 12:00pm
philu

checked out the insurance premiums for coastal properties recently..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 24, 2009 12:03pm
mattyroo

Stephen, it was an across the board increase, car, boat, home + contents…. most significant increase was to the car policy.

Also their propaganda states “spiralling building costs, steep increases in wages and labour shortages”, well I’ll be fucked if any of these are really true over the last 12 months.

It may well be that costs are increasing, but every reason that I was presented with does not stack up.
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September 24, 2009 12:05pm
mattyroo

whore Says:

“checked out the insurance premiums for coastal properties recently..?”

How the fuck would you know? A parasite like you should not even have the money to drive to the coast, let alone be thinking about coastal property.
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September 24, 2009 12:08pm
lofty

“Country and western entertainer Gray Bartlett today told Newstalk ZB New Zealand has lost a huge kauri tree with the death of Sir Howard Morrison”.

A bucket of dead fish gets delivered by Bearhunter
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September 24, 2009 12:09pm
philu

“..How the fuck would you know?..”

i can read..

and have what is generally known as ‘a broad general knowledge..’

(unlike yourself…)

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September 24, 2009 12:15pm
lofty

Philu, your question is

“checked out the insurance premiums for coastal properties recently..?”

Whats the answer?
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September 24, 2009 12:21pm
Brian Harmer

lofty (378) Vote: 1 0 Says:
September 24th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Was Howie the last of the quartet?

No, the last survivor, resident in Australia, is Wi Wharekura.
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September 24, 2009 12:52pm
bearhunter

“Country and western entertainer Gray Bartlett today told Newstalk ZB New Zealand has lost a huge kauri tree with the death of Sir Howard Morrison”.

I fucking knew it. Why can’t people just say how they feel instead of trotting out mindless cliches? Has this country really become that shallow? I’m really sorry that Howard has died; I think he was a wonderful entertainer, with a great sense of humour and a mighty voice. When I think of him I don’t think of collapsing fucking vegetation.
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September 24, 2009 12:52pm
paradigm

and have what is generally known as ‘a broad general knowledge..’

Funny that neither your broad general knowledge, nor your masters in political science were sufficient to correctly wirte a submission to a select committee..

..eh..
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September 24, 2009 12:56pm
pentwig

Oh hell lofty!! What are you doing?

Now you have encouraged him to have another toke and further damage his already damaged brain, and give us a missal with attachments to his blog ( # 35 in ratings but self assessed traffic).

Buggar
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September 24, 2009 12:58pm
Angus

Well, that didn’t take long – the link between Sydney’s dust storms yesterday, & climate hope ‘n change –

“Although large dust storms are relatively common in Australia and researchers are reluctant to link recent events to climate change, forecasts predict that global warming will cause more droughts and similar storms.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10599256
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September 24, 2009 1:00pm
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/nasa-data-greenland-antarctic-ice-melt-worsening/

“..“..New satellite information shows that ice sheets in Greenland and western Antarctica continue to shrink faster than scientists thought ..

..and in some places are already in runaway melt mode.

British scientists for the first time calculated changes in the height of the vulnerable but massive ice sheets and found them especially worse at their edges.

That’s where warmer water eats away from below.

In some parts of Antarctica, ice sheets have been losing 30 feet a year in thickness since 2003, according to a paper published online Thursday in the journal Nature.

Some of those areas are about a mile thick, so they’ve still got plenty of ice to burn through.

But the drop in thickness is speeding up.

In parts of Antarctica, the yearly rate of thinning from 2003 to 2007 is 50 percent higher than it was from 1995 to 2003.

These new measurements, based on 50 million laser readings from a NASA satellite, confirm what some of the more pessimistic scientists thought: ..

.. The melting along the crucial edges of the two major ice sheets is accelerating .. and is in a self-feeding loop.

The more the ice melts, the more water surrounds and eats away at the remaining ice..”

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September 24, 2009 1:04pm
lofty

Thanks Brian
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September 24, 2009 1:05pm
lofty

Its ok pentwig.. philu ignores me, so don’t expect anything spectacular.
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September 24, 2009 1:06pm
philu

lofty..my understanding is that many coastal properties cannot even get insurance..

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September 24, 2009 1:07pm
CraigM

Ok, so who is the humourless dweeb that gave Kaya -karma for the 9.05 post?
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September 24, 2009 1:09pm
paradigm

I wasted a bit of time reading philu’s propot article (on the article’s home site naturally, I can’t stand whoar’s artistic license in punctuation).

The initial statement that smoking weed does not damage your lungs the way tobacco does is too broad to be completely supported by their data: the article only sites the impact of Marajuana and Tobacco on on lung capacity and related fields such as the ability to exhale . It does not examine probably the most concerning aspect to any form of smoking: lining the lungs with carbon particulates, which in the longer term greatly increase cancer risk.
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September 24, 2009 1:10pm
lofty

The UN must urgently debate the institution of a dust trading scheme, to minimise the effects of dust on global warming.

Sanctions must immediately be imposed against that rogue state Australia, who are polluting the world with dust.

Green spokesperson Suet Badfold says “the only good thing about the dust is that it is red, although we would have preferred green”
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September 24, 2009 1:10pm
Kris K

Barack Obama is a narcissist.

Interesting insights by an Israeli psychologist.

Dr. Sam Vaknin is an Israeli psychologist. He has written extensively about narcissism. Dr. Vaknin states “I must confess I was impressed by Sen. Barack Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident – a wholesome presidential package. I was put off soon, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his demeanor that was unsettling. His posture and his body language were louder than his empty words. Obama’s speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history. Never a politician in this land had such quasi “religious” impact on so many people. The fact that Obama is a total incognito with zero accomplishment, makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an ordinary man. He is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on most important subjects.” Barack Obama is a narcissist.

For the whole article go here.
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September 24, 2009 1:19pm
lofty

Philu..that has always been the case I would imagine, just like dear Old Barry Curtis’ home on the cliff.

Insurance companies will always assess risk v potential and strike a rate accordingly wont they?

Bugger all to do with global warming (oops sorry climate change) bunkum

Remember the old tenant that a wise man builds his house upon the rock.
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September 24, 2009 1:20pm
philu

paradigm…for you..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/smoking-marijuana-does-not-cause-lung-cancer/

“..New research shows here seems to be something in pot that actually undermines cancer .. instead of causing it. —

– and the media are doing their best to ignore it.

There is a groundswell of attention in the news to marijuana’s role in causing and preventing various types of cancers.

Last week, AlterNet published an article from the Marijuana Policy Project about a new study finding that pot smokers have a lower risk of head and neck cancers than people who don’t smoke pot.

Earlier this year, the corporate media pounced on a study suggesting that men who had been using marijuana at least once per week ..

.. and who had started smoking pot prior to age 18 had an elevated risk of testicular cancer known as nonseminoma, .

.. which makes up fewer than half of one percent of all cancer cases among men.

Head, neck and testicular cancers are of course quite serious ailments to deal with..

..but what about cancer of the most obvious organ at risk with pot smoking, the lungs?

Where’s the science on that?

The article below by Fred Gardner, editor of the medical marijuana research quarterly journal O’Shaughnessy’s..

.. shares the results of a major medical study the media completely ignored..

.. and his conclusions are quite blunt on the matter: ..

..Smoking pot doesn’t cause lung cancer.

In fact, the study found that cigarette smokers who also smoked marijuana were at a lower risk of contracting lung cancer ..

.. than tobacco-only smokers..”

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 24, 2009 1:22pm
lofty

I want to be the first to register my membership of the “dust denier” fraternity
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September 24, 2009 1:22pm
philu

lofty..i haven’t done a thesis on it..

it is a piece of information i have..

why don’t you phone some insurance companies and ask them..?..if you doubt the accuracy of that..?

(let us know how you get on..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 24, 2009 1:25pm
Johnboy

After the recent forest fires in Oz is this the end for all Ockers:

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
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September 24, 2009 1:26pm
lofty

Green spokesperson Suet Badfold says:

“How typical that lofty and other dust deniers like him, pooh pooh the scientifically proven theory that dust causes climate change to the degree of threatening our existance. When we reds (oops greens) get total control of the world through our global agency the UN, assisted by our inside MOLE (she who will remain nameless) deniers like lofty will be sent to indoctrination camps and starved until he farts dust, at which time he will see the light” (and just wait till polpot locky gets a hold of the bastard)

Press release ends
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September 24, 2009 1:30pm
Manolo

“Has this country really become that shallow?”
Isn’t the prolific bore Whoar, the parasitical bludger, a pest to all readers of this, otherwise, excellent blog?

The answer to both questions is a resounding YES!
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September 24, 2009 1:30pm
nickb

At the end of the tax year, the Tax Office sent an inspector to audit the books of a synagogue. While he was checking the books he turned to the Rabbi and said, “I notice you buy a lot of candles. What do you do with the candle drippings?”

“Good question,” noted the Rabbi. “We save them up and send them back to the candle makers, and every now and then they send us a free box of candles.”

“Oh,” replied the auditor, somewhat disappointed that his unusual question had a practical answer.

But on he went, in his obnoxious way. “What about all these biscuit purchases. What do you do with the crumbs?”

“Ah, yes,” replied the Rabbi, realizing that the inspector was trying to trap him with an unanswerable question. “We collect them and send them back to the manufacturers, and every now and then they send a free box of holy biscuits.”

“I see,” replied the auditor, thinking hard about how he could fluster the know-it-all Rabbi.

“Well, Rabbi,” he went on, “what do you do with all the leftover foreskins from the circumcisions you perform?”

“Here, too, we do not waste,” answered the Rabbi. “What we do is save up all the foreskins and send them to the Tax Office, and about once a year they send us a complete dick.”
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September 24, 2009 1:34pm
MT_Tinman

I await the headline NO MOA!
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September 24, 2009 1:50pm
paradigm

Thankyou for the information philu.

In regard to “the science”, I would suggest you cite a more mainstream and scientific journal than “O’Shaughnessy’s”. The lack of resources and scientists for peer review make the likes of “O’Shaughnessy’s” less thorough and more able to insert unsupported conclusions into their manuscripts.
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September 24, 2009 1:54pm
NOt1tocommentoften

bear – what is shallow is your complete inability to see the significance of what a person means when they say a mighty kauri has fallen. What is shallow is suggesting it means that a piece of vegetation has fallen over. I’d rather the country trotted out cliches with some significance than being too thick to see the significance and meaning that can be portrayed by such thought provoking and illustrative comments.
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September 24, 2009 1:55pm
philu

question:..has manolo..ever in his 706 comments..ever said anything of the slightest interest/amusement/intelligence..

the answer to that..is a resounding .. no..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 24, 2009 2:01pm
Pete George

I’ll be keeping well away from TV news tonight, also funeral night and look out for the “specials” to avoid over the next week or so. They will no doubt do him to death.

It’s obviously sad news for quite a few people, but to be brutally honest it doesn’t really affect me at all and I only note it with passing interest. No one is that important that they manage to avoid their end. I am not interested in the inevitable over the top, under the bottom and around the sides coverage.

I just thought “at least it won’t be as bad as the Michale Jackson coverage” but that reminded me that Stuff’s article included a pic of HM and MJ trying to hongi. Ah, well, the self appointed celebrity brigade will lap it up, spit it out and lap it up again.
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September 24, 2009 2:01pm
philu

paradigm..isn’t it the point that o’shaugnassy is linking to such peer-reviewed studies..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 24, 2009 2:02pm
racer1

“mattyroo

Just had a massive increase in my insurance premiums, so I phone up said company (5 letter word, sounds like mate) to find out why….

They say it is because there is increased risk to living in New Zealand….. because of global warming!!”

They will just be passing on the raise in rates from their re-insurer. Bit of a bugger once the market starts to acknowledge global warming huh? You know, companies, whos share holders expect them to run the company properly, so they get in experts, advising them on how to spend money, not at all for political ends, tell them what’s happening. No politics involved, its all commercial imperative, some point you might realize the deniers have no clothes, I wonder how much the sea will have to rise for that to happen?
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September 24, 2009 2:03pm
Brian Smaller

Barack Obama is a narcissist.

Interesting insights by an Israeli psychologist.

I read a study of his last 41 speeches (before the UN one last night) and he referenced himself once every 13 seconds on average apparently.

Sorry – forgot to add that the bit you quoted is obviously racist.
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September 24, 2009 2:05pm
Brian Smaller

racer1 – will you kill yourself when the world doesn’t flood? Please.
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September 24, 2009 2:07pm
philu

parliament is doing ‘falling trees’ speeches on morrison..

my favourite morrison ditty..?

his anti-apartheid..’my old man’s an all black’..

but y’know..!

he was a cabaret entertainer…

(heather roy said ‘icon’..hang yr heads in shame..!..actires/righties..!)

phil(whoar.co.nz
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September 24, 2009 2:15pm
stephen

I read a study of his last 41 speeches (before the UN one last night) and he referenced himself once every 13 seconds on average apparently.

He’s a poli-freakin-tician!
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