General Debate 19 August 2009

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Akaroa

First again? See! I post and then walk-away!
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September 19, 2009 7:47am
Cerium

Beck is a gifted storyteller with a knack for stitching seemingly unrelated data points into possible conspiracies — if he believed in conspiracies, which he doesn’t, necessarily; he’s just asking questions.

http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1924348,00.html

Just makin’ money exploitin’ mad as hell?

Which is more effective? To profile a public figure by stridently insisting in strong language that the figure is simply a liar and probable ideologue, or to infer that the figure often lies, doesn’t believe anything he says himself, and deliberately preys on the fears of others in order to enrich himself? I would have thought the latter was the more effective strategy. I think it would be more useful to tell a Beck fan that he made $23 million last year by encouraging fears he doesn’t seem to share, than to just call him a liar.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/achenblog/2009/09/media_matters_glenn_beck_and_t.html#more

Is Michael Laws trying to be NZ’s Glenn Beck? Just askin’.
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September 19, 2009 8:06am
Yvette

Back to the ‘h’ in Wanganui issue for a moment, everyone seems to pronounce this as Whong / ga / nui or Wong / ga / nui – yep! with two ‘g’s in it – seeming to ignore the rule [as I understand it] that every syllable in the Maori language must end in a vowel. Get the ‘h’ right maybe, but everyone is still screwing up a letter later. Oh well . . .
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September 19, 2009 8:07am
Simon

Federal Reserve gave / floated US9 billion to our central bank. Who knew? Or did I miss this?

Does the US govt own the NZ govt?

At 2.30.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00ECLxK2YTs&NR=1

No wonder we are sending soldiers into Afghanistan.
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September 19, 2009 8:16am
tom hunter

You have now entered – <a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/general_debate_19_august_2009.html" The Twilight Zone"

And we were debating:
– Phool's need for weed and a hippie revolution
– Afghanistan
– general abuse

Same day, same bat channel
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September 19, 2009 8:24am
andrei

Did you know that

Waikato University’s halls of residence are a breeding ground for alcoholics, according to researchers who say drinking on campus has become a huge problem.

and that

after drinking sessions a quarter of students had unprotected sex, 60 per cent had vomited and about a third had passed out.

Some fellow is doing his Phd thesis on “on the drinking behaviour at the halls of residence” at Waikato University and Sir Geoffry Palmer paid him a visit last week so I expect it will all be sorted out by a ‘sobering’ report and whole lot of new rules and regulations surrounding the sale and purchase of alcohol.
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September 19, 2009 8:26am
tom hunter

I think this is a great idea – just continue straight on with the same debates every day – a Twilight Zone episode…. Oh Wait
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September 19, 2009 8:29am
pdm

At 7.35pm NZ time(Iam in London) the All Blacks Play Australia for the Tri Nation’s wooden spoon. If Australia win and from what I have seen on TV (and I didn’t see the last AB/Aust test),, an Australian win is not out of the question. The play of this years All Black team has been an embarassment and they are an indictment on the Selectors and Coaches.

I see we are persevereing with To’oeava whose break last week when he ran around a hooker and prop, was his only try creating that I can recall in a big test. The inept Nonu turned the ball over 4 times in less than ten minutes when the AB’s were fighting back – Momentum lost. Where are Bateman or Shoemark

We bring in a new lock to fix the lineouts but drop the most promising lock (Isaac Ross) since Ali Williams came on the scene. It is not Ross’ fault the lineouts are a shambles – look at Hansen’s coaching and McCaw’s captaincy. There is a tight head prop in Hawkes Bay,Clint Newlands, who out scrums all NZ props he plays agains and he isn;t a bad lineout lifter either – potentially another Hayman. But no they drop Franks a 21 year old (very young for a top prop) and bring back the inept Tialata. Give me a break.

If the Aussies win will Henry, Smith and Hansen do the decent thing and resign or are they just there for the money?
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September 19, 2009 8:49am
jackp

The H thing is a red herring folks. What really is an issue is National’s ETS. Now national is in private meeting with the Maori party. Those meeting may cost taxpayers up to 2 billion in compensations. Also, now the ETS is a raced based scheme since the “poor ” maori will be able to get free insulation paid for by the taxpayers. John Key is smelling raunchier more and more.
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September 19, 2009 8:50am
Fred

Simon its a currency swap we loaned them the same amount in NZD. It’s printing money pure and simple, and still needs to be paid back. So why would it create a military obligation. The more interesting question is the interest rate they charge each other.
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September 19, 2009 9:03am
Whafe

pdm – agree with you totally. Henry and co are “has beens” But the AB’s are not about winning, it is a money churning business….

But this year, the NPC rugby is far better than the AB’s etc… Time will tell….

Henry should stand aside…
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September 19, 2009 9:04am
Jack5

Great book review in today’s Christchurch Press, for Kiwiblog followers in the South Island.

The reviewer, law professor Stephen Todd, reviews a book by Linda Bryder which looks at the sensational cervical cancer allegations by Sandra Coney and Phillida Bunkle in Metro Magazine in 1987. This is the other side to this feminist campaign, which resulted in Judge Silvia Cartwright’s committee (set up by the Minister of Health) vindicating the article.

If the author Bryder is right, Cartwright presided over whitewashing of a monumental injustice and vilification of the medical professional, Professor Herbert Green. Cartwright’s findings and the Metro piece have also contributed to the victimhood mentality in NZ health, ultimately with increasing number of patients now even wanting both to be able to sue medical professionals AND have ACC coverage.

Cartwright’s reputation and puffing up by feminists and the “liberal” elite led to her becoming Governor-General and now a judge on the Cambodia War Crimes Tribunal.

To bring about justice for the reputation of Professor Green, there ought now be an inquiry into the Cartwright group’s research and findings, and into the facts of the matter.

This book, “A History of the `Unfortunate Experiment’ at National Women’s Hospital, by Linda Bryder (Auckland University Press, $45) looks to be a most interesting and useful read.
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September 19, 2009 9:10am
s.russell

Yeah, if only we had a better All Black coach we wouldn’t need any players. They are irrelevant to the result, and cost too much money.
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September 19, 2009 9:14am
Viking2

Important Stuff. for all the hold out hand brigade.

Millions of dollars for grassroots sports clubs is at risk after a Government warning that amateur sport may not qualify for charity grants from pokies gambling.

The warning, from the Department of Internal Affairs to 33 charitable gaming trusts, comes after a court case which confirmed that the promotion of horse racing was not a charitable purpose.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10598321

Basically the Court has deemed Sports Clubs, Horse Racing Clubs and by definition a lot of other activities non charitable.
Wait for the noise on this one.
Even Tga City Council who have milked the local electricity trust for all its worth to the detriment of the the settlors of the trust and who currently have been granted 8 Mill for a new stadium must now be reassessing whether the council is a charitable trust. We all know they are but not by legal definition.
Long overdue.
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September 19, 2009 9:25am
gravedodger

PDM 8.49, well said, when the so called three wise men go to an NPC game are they there for the pies and the beer after as they seem to miss seeing some of the form players on show. Newlands amd Bateman I agree but to continue with Jovesata after how many poor performances and ignore Hosea Gear? As to winning the wooden spoon tonight I can only suppose Henry will claim that as a victory and they will have a few things to work on Ha Ha.
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September 19, 2009 9:27am
Simon

At the height of the panic the world (NZ included) was flooding the demand for US $. Flight to quality and safety. This demand would have pushed up US interest rates and NZ as well of course. Money leaving NZ pushes up rates here. Fed reserve started printing money some of which came here. The Fed reserve bailed out our banking system. It is not a straight US$9 billion loan. Bailing out NZ would create obligations more than just the loan.

Has the loan been repaid and who knew that the Fed Reserve bailed out our banking system?
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September 19, 2009 9:36am
Whafe

s.russell… Agree yes, but a good coach is surely just a leader of good people yes? (simply put I know, but am sure you get the gist)

Henry obviously cant lead people / team…….. He doesnt coach the team to drop the ball, but if players do constantly, they should go…..
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September 19, 2009 9:39am
scanner

If Jim Anderton is so keen to go after Bill English for his alleged misdeeds, perhaps it’s time the tables were turned and the Nats went after Jimbo for impersonating a party leader?
Hell it’s so obvious Anderton has been put up to it because hes a washed up ‘old has been’ who has nothing to do, and is totally expendable in Labours grand plan, what ever it is, or if it even exists.
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September 19, 2009 9:41am
Whafe

scanner – the lefties are slowly starting to see Jimbo & Labour for the washed up has beens that they are, well said…..
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September 19, 2009 9:47am
Viking2

Perpetuating Poverty

http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=641&p=24456#p24456
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September 19, 2009 9:57am
kaya

Fred – excuse my ignorance, why do they swap each others currencies? Someone must gain from it or else why bother? I watched the video that Simon linked to and it looked as if Bernanke was being harangued for lending out US dollars to other countries, not for “swapping” it?
I’m sort of studying money at the moment (as a hobby not academically) as I am trying to get my head around the whole crisis going on and how it got to that. I appreciate any information you can give me. Thanks.
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September 19, 2009 10:27am
tom hunter

I see the “smart diplomacy” of the Obama administration is reaping dividends:

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk confirmed today that he declined last night to take a call from the U.S. informing him of the decision to scrap planned missile-defense bases in his country.

Two U.S.-based sources close to the Polish government said Thursday that Tusk also rejected a call from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton — on the grounds that, as the head of the government, he should speak to the president.

“Hillary called — and the reason he turned it down was because of protocol,” said a source.

Protocol. Right
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September 19, 2009 10:44am
Fred

As Simon says it was a lifeline, I think it was announced at the time. It means that the RB could loan US$ to any of “our” banks that had difficulty in rolling over their loans. The cynical view is that the US is printing money so they need to encourage everyone else to do the same, we link arms and go down together. It allows the central banks to manipulate exchange rates. I think it is wrong in principle, in all other areas where the Government spends money there is a “vote” for the money supply. Here it’s the same as I swap you my pebbles for your stones if we both bury them in our back yard nothing happens, but if we each spend them (or loan them no difference) who know’s who is going to rock up to my door demanding redemption. From each parties perspective it is a loan, and Simon’s question is were there any other strings attached.
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September 19, 2009 11:08am
Jack5

New topic for a minute…

Can Fran O’Sullivan in the Hoo-erald be right? Is Bro Key going to sell out to the Maori Party, opening the way to a second round of payouts on the Waitangi settlements? If Fran is right, perhaps Bro should stay in New York with H1.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10598192
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September 19, 2009 11:31am
reid

From the Herald – apologies for length:

Auckland leaky home owner Helena Carter, who faces bankruptcy over repair bills for her apartment has a novel idea to move the council negotiators along.

“Every person with a leaky building should get it revalued and pay rates at that value. How much income would they lose from that?”

Helena Carter faces bankruptcy because of her leaky apartment – and she doesn’t think the proposed council-Government rescue package is likely to save her.

The beauty salon owner paid $235,000 eight years ago for her three-bedroom apartment at 3 Morningside Dr.

When leaks were discovered throughout the 64-unit complex four years ago, she managed to find $40,000 to pay for her share of repairs.

Then last October the estimated repair bill jumped from $2.5 million to $6.5 million and she had to pay another $80,000.

“My income from the salon has dropped by about 35 per cent in the last two years,” she says. “Talk about bad timing.”

She now fears that the body corporate will take legal action against her to force the sale of her apartment, as she cannot pay.

Recent sales of identical apartments have fetched about $120,000, but she has a $300,000 mortgage (at a fixed interest rate of 9.25 per cent) based on her apartment’s last valuation of $385,000.

She predicts she could sell her business for about $80,000. “I then have to choose to either pay off the $100,000 for the rest of my life or let them bankrupt me. This will leave me in my 50s with no source of income and unable to run a business for three years.

“I guess this will be my big opportunity to go on the dole, finish my masters degree (funded by the taxpayer) and just sit tight for three years and then try to start again at 60.”

The long-time National voter is urging Prime Minister John Key to push through a repair scheme for financially stranded home owners like her, especially as she blames the Government for creating the problem by allowing the use of untreated timber and monolithic cladding.

But she knows she is unlikely to benefit from any settlement, unless the Government extends it to include generous long-term interest-free loans for all owners.

Legal fees are chewing up the owners, so why doesn’t the govt setup something like the public prosecutor’s office specifically so that owners can access free legal services – that would surely in the long run be cheaper than the current arrangement.

Those politicians who in 1994 voted for such a transparently predictable debacle should immediately have all their pensions cancelled and those funds diverted into the pool for owners. Property developers, architects and council managers responsible for the policies that allowed the lax inspection regime, should be prosecuted and fined according to their role in the debacle. Surely there are due diligence laws on the books at the time that could be used for this. Let them taste a bit of bankruptcy and see what it feels like.

This saga drags on largely unaddressed because those primarily responsible are politicians some of whom remain in power today. Their colleagues refuse to hold them to account. Totally unacceptable.
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September 19, 2009 11:46am
Jack5

Re Reid (11.46)

Why don’t you just give Kiwblog followers the link to the article instead of regurgitating the whole lot?

Or: You’re not a Leftie trying to poison the Kiwiblog enlightenment oasis waterhole with bucketfuls of grey tedium, are you?
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September 19, 2009 11:54am
LUCY

Question.

If a law is badly written and government and the law society agree that it is badly written and open to interpretation by those that enforce said law, does ignorance of the law become a defense?

If it cannot be understood plainly by those that designed it and those employed to enterprete it the how the hell can the lay person be anything other than ‘ignorant’ of said law.

For example the PM says a light smack for the purpose of correction is not
against the law but the law is written in a way that could be interpretated that it is then surely a lay person can claim ignorance of the law as he was following what the leader of the country had told him.
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September 19, 2009 11:54am
Jack5

Jesus, Lucy (11.54), are you Lucy Lawless or Lucy Lawful?
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September 19, 2009 11:58am
LUCY

In this case definately Lawless. What is the answer though.

Would it be a defence to say that you didnt understand the law (were ignorant of the law) and sight the PM as the reason you smacked your child (lightly of course) for the purpose of correction as he said that you could and after all he is the leader of the country
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September 19, 2009 12:20pm
Viking2

In theory yes. but, Judges are supposed to rule on the law not what parliament intended the law should be nor on what the PM considers is his opinion. So confusion is unlikely to be a defense, maybe a mitigating factor.
Might get you 5 instead of 10.
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September 19, 2009 12:52pm
LUCY

Thanks Viking2. Doesnt parliament have a legal responsibility to ensure that laws are clear before they are passed?
And if you were convicted because they had not fulfilled their obligations the law ‘muddy’ and you had relied on the PMs public interpretation of the law, would you be able to sue the government
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September 19, 2009 12:58pm
Viking2

Like to think so but arguing that in court would be like sucking Mercury through a long straw. Who, ever wins those battles and at what cost?
A written constitution that upholds the rights of individual NZ citizens is what is required but there ain’t noone going there just yet. More ACT MP’s and we might see a change but until then nobody is accountable for anything from housing, overspending, confusing rules, rules made to suit the rule makers etc etc.
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September 19, 2009 1:10pm
philu

and wasn’t it great how that national govt in the 90’s de-regulated the building trade..eh..?

so that any cowboy could strap on one of those apron things..

..and call themselves a ‘builder’..

now we have a six billion dollar bill..

good one national..!

any of those 90’s clowns that promoted/argued for that ideologically-driven deregulation..still there..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 19, 2009 1:15pm
LUCY

You are so right viking2 we do need a written constitution. We can try again next elections. I think now that the NZ public knows for sure both of the main parties are laws unto themselves they will be more willing to back Act if they campaign on a written constituion. Especially if they do a comprehensive outline of what it would look like.
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September 19, 2009 1:35pm
thedavincimode

“now we have a six billion dollar bill..”

“WE”! “WE”!.

… splutter … snort …

Now listen here little fetid magpie man and gatherer of your so-called “shiney bits”.

“YOU” are not part of the “WE”. The “WE” that have the bill aren’t the ones sitting on their bottoms teaching son no. 1 how to be a complete loser and bludger extraordinaire.

“YOU” are in fact one of “THEM”; ie the ones sitting on their bottoms teaching son no. 1 how to be a complete loser and bludger extraordinaire. The ones that can’t even be bothered making the smallest effort to help themselves and mitigate their cost to the “WE”.

“WE” pick up the tab for “THEM” and “YOU”. “YOU” don’t pick up the tab for anything. “YOU” are the pointless dead weight cost on society. “YOU” are part of OUR tab.

Hope this clears up your little misunderstanding.
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September 19, 2009 1:54pm
Patrick Starr

Phool, whilst I may agree how dumb the Nats were for their involvement in the deregulation you continue to bang on about historical stupidity – – yet you scream like a bitch when I happen to mention your armed robbery of a chemist shop whilst you were wacked out on heroin, – and the time you spent in prison for it

Now this could be mistaken for absolute hypocrisy – but there again anyone who knows you are a Green Party supporter would know this is no mistake (its party policy)
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September 19, 2009 1:55pm
mickysavage

Anyone seen the latest Roy Morgan poll results?

Labour is up 4% to 33% and National is down by 5% to 51%. The gap is still large (18%) but not as large as it was two weeks ago (27%).

Is this the end of the honeymoon?
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September 19, 2009 3:05pm
expat

51%
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September 19, 2009 3:18pm
nickb

Hahaha end of the honeymoon!
I’m not a big fan of the Nats micky but trying to spin an 18% gap as a Labour resurgence is laughable; the gap between the Nats and The National Federation of United Corrupt Communist Labour is not going to narrow for a few terms at least, if the public have any memory at all of what they did to NZ
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September 19, 2009 3:20pm
Patrick Starr

“Labour is up 4% to 33% and National is down by 5% to 51%.”

Mickey – nothing to do with anything Labour has done – probably more to do with two weeks of the poll reflecting Keys reaction on the spanking referendum
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September 19, 2009 3:24pm
Viking2

Back to the battle of the socialists eh!!
45% next time?
Won’t be long and just maybe they will wake up from their born to rule slumber, perhaps in time to save the Titanic.
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September 19, 2009 3:25pm
philu

ncb…a nine point drop in two weeks is ‘nothing to worry about’..?

ok..fine..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 19, 2009 3:29pm
nickb

No philu, with the opposition Labour and the Greens are putting up, I dont think John Key would be shaking in his shoes.

I mean, the best you can do is riding into your AGM on the back of a motorbike???? Hahaha. What a muppet.

And as for the Greens, they are such a joke their questions in the house are being ignored. Really phil. Are Sue Bradford and Metiria Turei the best the Greens can come up with? What a larf
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September 19, 2009 3:44pm
Viking2

That Super City.

THE wages of council chief executives are costing each ratepayer up to $47 a year. The total bill for executives and councillors has blown out to $8.4 million.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,26093810-5006301,00.html

worth the read. Brisbane stands out as what can be done.
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September 19, 2009 3:46pm
grumpyoldhori

Just what type of so called educated fools do we have in this bloody country.
Jesus christ, university educated idiots believing that some bloody sealant will keep the water out of windows, no need for unsightly flashings they were told and they believed that rubbish, no need for eaves with monolithic claddings in NZ they were told, and these educated fools believed that.
Untreated timber too blame we hear, utter bullshit, you keep H3 pine wet and allow it to have oxygen and it will rot people.

Bloody hell my house is framed in wilding pine, untreated, but two big bloody differences, it has wide eaves, and a proper three coat solid plaster finish with an airgap from the bottle tops used.
What ever happened to, let the buyer beware ?
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September 19, 2009 3:51pm
reid

In some ways I agree grumpy, re: caveat emptor.

Despite the fact I’m university educated, I did indeed know in 1994 what those regulations were going to do and have steered well clear of investing in houses built since then.

Why others didn’t have the same common sense I don’t know. It sure wasn’t rocket science.

But at the same time, if you buy a car and the brakes stop working, would you be expected to know that when you bought it? It’s called fit for purpose and it’s the designers, engineers and builders who have the responsibility to make sure that happens, within the context of the regulatory framework. When all of those points fail, you get things like thalidomide in the drug business and DDT in the chemicals business and leaky homes in the construction business. Exposing the reasons why no-one in any of those fields picked up this blatantly obvious issue and blew the whistle, would be a very worthwhile doctoral thesis.
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September 19, 2009 4:54pm
kaya

Not one cent of ratepayers money should go towards recompensing leaky home owners unless there is some accountability from those responsible. The builders, architects and particularly the inspectors who signed them off. You cannot have a mulit billion dollar “mistake” and not one person is accountable.
Someone screwed up and we deserve to be told who it is before we start paying for it.
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September 19, 2009 5:58pm
philu

“..I mean, the best you can do is riding into your AGM on the back of a motorbike???? Hahaha. What a muppet..”

but nowhere near as funny as brash pretending to be a racing car driver..or walking that plank tho’..eh..?

and..

you must watch questiontime..

turei and bradford have both been performing well..

and the ‘larf’ last week..was turei monstering big gezza to a state of mute..

you really must watch questiontime..eh..?

it’s a telling little snapshot..

and the drama of last week..

had to be english sweating blood..

as the details of his housing allowances/entitlements were examined in some detail..

cos’..y’see..no matter how you slice it…english has been living in wellington since 1996..

(family there..there most of time..children there..children going to school there

..and wife working there..)

so..as you can see from the facts of the matter..(with no ideological bias needed..)

that..he hasn’t really been eligible for that since 1996…

questiontime next week should be interesting..

and i dare say there are a few freedom of information requests fluttering around out there..

as labour follows the snail trails..

d’yareckon that ‘dipping’ stuff has anything to do with the poll drop..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 19, 2009 6:08pm
Viking2

They have all bailed except for the Councils. And Clark just decided to ignore the issue, winding up the Building Authority just like the builders and saying let the peasants pay. Ask anyone who has a leaky home what its like. These people were not builders or people who could or should have known about building. A bit like most of us know bugger all about car electronics or geology and earthquakes we rely on the paid experts to ensure the quality of purpose.
I’ve seen some very distressed people with this problem and IMHO we as a nation need to stand up and do something to assist. After all, we send how much money offshore for far less worthy reasons? We assisted farmers for years and years, we pour money down a bloody great hole when it comes to things like rugby ( because its another part of the socialist state of NZ) and welfare etc but when the very basis of our shelter has been attacked by failure of a Govt. department to ensure the integrity of the buildings,as was its responsibility, some of you want to abrogate that responsibility and blame the customer for that failure of integrity.
This is not simple, there is not one reason and there are many parties to the problem but if the houses concerned were any other consumer item there are laws that govern the customers recourse. Some apply here but Clark again decided to stuff all that up and hand money to lawyers rather than fix the problem house. Hopefully the Nats. will grow some balls here and sack the lawyers and assist with fixing the problem houses.
It will help hugely with the unemployment problem if they get on with it and is a much better thing to do than spend the millions that they have committed to warming peoples houses, mostly unnecessarily. Heat pumps in modern houses in the BOP. cause they can get the money for nothing despite not needing those said heat pumps ever in the past. Squandering money.
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September 19, 2009 6:27pm
nickb

kaya- re our conversations about govt borrowing etc, not sure if you have ever look at the mises institutes blog, but it is outstanding

http://blog.mises.org/blog/
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September 19, 2009 6:47pm
Viking2

LUCY: Here you go.
apparently it all ok according to the Boss.
.
http://big-news.blogspot.com/
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September 19, 2009 7:24pm
kaya

Viking2 – I agree totally about helping out, I have no issue with that although it is a pain, I understand it isn’t the fault of the buyer.
I detest the fact that politicians fob it onto us everytime bcause they know we don’t fight back. I hate that no one is ever held responsible for their fuck ups – particularly in the public service. I get pissed that we haven’t yet fixed a system that allows an architect or designer to get away with this by ditching their company or whatever other cunning trick they pull. I’m sure they haven’t all left the country. They should be tracked down wherever they are and stripped of their assets. Use the money for that instead of paying lawyers to argue for years with no result at the end.

These are the same system that lets scum rob people via finance companies yet they still live in million dollar houses and drive porsches and ferraris. There is something lacking in a system like this and it needs fixed. Our systems protect shits like this while hard working people got ripped off.

I get pissed that the building inspectors and councils who give us so much grief and charge us so much money every time we want to put a shelf up in the garage avoid responsibility for signing off these shit box buildings.
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September 19, 2009 7:27pm
kaya

nick – yes I’ve looked at mises before, not in depth but it looks interesting. Ron Paul seem to be getting some traction or maybe I’m looking on all his supporter’s sites!
The Federal Reserve are being looked at hard. Here is an interesting video (not long, 4 or 5 mins) of Bernanke getting questioned about his authority to lend out half a trillion dollars to central banks around the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00ECLxK2YTs&NR=1

We borrowed 9 billion last year apparently, I thought the US had a 12 trillion dollar debt, where did they get the money from??? Oh that’s right they just print it. So why don’t we print our own?

And here’s a link to a short version of Griffin talking about the Fed. You can download and watch it at a later time.

http://www.savevid.com/video/g-edward-griffin-on-the-federal-reserve-system.html
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September 19, 2009 7:52pm
jcuknz

Philu …and wasn’t it great how that national govt in the 90’s de-regulated the building trade..eh..?
so that any cowboy could strap on one of those apron things..
..and call themselves a ‘builder’..
now we have a six billion dollar bill..
good one national..!
any of those 90’s clowns that promoted/argued for that ideologically-driven deregulation..still there..?

As I see it the politicians were simply answering to the pleas of the industry to scrap the sensible building regulations which had served the home owners of the country well in previous years but stopped the building industry cutting corners.
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September 19, 2009 8:59pm
kaya

US Government stages fake coup to wipe out their national debt……….lol

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/u_s_government_stages_fake_coup?utm_source=videoembed
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September 19, 2009 9:05pm
Patrick Starr

yeehaaaa

suck on that you Dingo Deans supporters
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September 19, 2009 9:16pm
Jack5

In my 9.10am post on the Bryder book, the cervical cancer dispute etc, and Cartwright’s role, I didn’t realised how big a row had blown up over this new work.

The academics are taking sides, the NZ Herald has a blast on it, and last week the ODT tried to rubbish the Bryder book. It’s also been discussed in the Listener, I understand, not that many Kiwiblog readers will subscribe to that once leftist rag.

Most of the defence of the Cooney/Bunkle position comes from Otago. This makes the Bryder book more interesting than ever, and IMHO the Stephen Todd interview in the Christchurch Press today is the most interesting comment so far.

The NZH link:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10598213&p

The rather cursory and IMHO one-sided dismissal in the Otago Daily Times:

http://www.odt.co.nz/entertainment/books/73684/confused-offering-adds-little-insight
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September 19, 2009 10:05pm
Jack5

Patrick Starr at 10.05…

Good win for the All Blacks, but sadly it will keep Henry as coach long enough for them to miss the next World Cup.The All Blacks win in spite of Henry, not because of him.

Like Brazil in real football, the best but rarely a cup winner.

Don’t rubbish Deans. He would have stayed if the average IQ of the NZRFU was above 90.
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September 19, 2009 10:10pm
Johnboy

Best wishes Jock Hobbs.
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September 19, 2009 10:16pm
Patrick Starr

Oh, but Jack5 – I never said I support Henry. What I’ve always said is Deans is not the answer

Henry is Ok but his selections and assistants are questionable
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September 19, 2009 10:18pm
MikeNZ

Jock is his brother in law and that didn’t help.
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September 19, 2009 11:20pm
MikeNZ

Lucy
dave at big news posts about Goff and Key at the family first conference.
http://big-news.blogspot.com/
I was sitting next to him at the time and I found Keys stating that the police weren’t acting as he wanted very worrying as he gave the impression that he was in control of the police.

For my money the Herald misreported what was said whereas Dave at bignews was on the button
DPF heard it all too but hasn’t written it up yet?
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September 19, 2009 11:26pm
LUCY

That is very very worrying MikNZ. It is hard not to believe that there is something more to all this when the simple answer is to rewrite the law so that it can be understood. The terrorist law is so badly written too. Remember it couldnt be enforced because no-one understood it. Makes you wonder just how many other laws bought in by Labour are that so bad as to be unworkable or to be interpreted at the whim of the serving PM and/or government.
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September 20, 2009 9:48am
LUCY

It is very worrying MikeNZ.
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