General Debate 11 September 2009

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Patrick Starr

9/11 – a moment to remember the poor souls whose lives were ended by evil this day
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September 11, 2009 6:41am
Cerium

Nothing wrong with an annual focus on them, but there are a lot of poor souls whose lives are ended by evil, every day, every year. Remember them too?
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September 11, 2009 6:59am
Viking2

Like most things American they even stuff up a simple matter like the date. Today in NZ is 11/9. It’s probably Bushes fault or even these day’s Obama Messiah.
Watch for Goff to start taking back the middle ground. Then what is Mr Smiley going to do?
Like DPF I would like to see them support Boscowans Bill. That would piss the Nats off and give them a quiet reminder that they are there only by our invitation.
And Key needs to sort English. Untruthful toad.
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September 11, 2009 6:59am
Cerium

How many in the US die because they are denied decent health care. Steve Jobs was able to get a liver transplant by “moving” to a state that he could get in a short enough queue. Many don’t have that opportunity.

As one former insurance executive testified before Congress, insurance companies are not only encouraged to find reasons to drop the seriously ill; they are rewarded for it. All of this is in service of meeting what this former executive called “Wall Street’s relentless profit expectations.”

That’s what makes our current health-care system different. In no other nation do health insurers, private or public, feel compelled to meet the expectations of Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, with their demands for profit no matter whose lives have to be sacrificed in the process. It’s not just that we’re the only nation with even a marginally advanced economy to lack universal health care; it’s that we’re the only nation where health care is marketized by the same geniuses who securitized home mortgages.

Wall Street health – maybe not evil, but what is it?
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September 11, 2009 7:07am
Brian Smaller

I couldn’t believe that the History Channel played Loose Change 9/11 last night. Every bit of conspiracy crap in that ‘conspiracy drama’ was debunked by non other than that right wing rag, Popular Mechanics.
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September 11, 2009 7:07am
Brian Smaller

DPF – have a word to Bill English and tell him he is being a wanker. Tell him not to ask for another $20 a week for cleaning his ministerial home, but to get his bloody kids to do it like the rest of us do.
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September 11, 2009 7:08am
Patrick Starr

Cerium – Your attempts a cheap point scoring are unfortunate, and again demonstrate what a truly callous leftwing little wanker you are.
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September 11, 2009 7:11am
Cerium

You accuse me of callous? For pointing out there are many more people suffering and dying all the time around the world?

You accuse me of callous for passing on this?

“insurance companies are not only encouraged to find reasons to drop the seriously ill; they are rewarded for it “
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September 11, 2009 7:27am
KiwiGreg

It’s cheap points scoring Cerium. People die all round the world all the time but you chose to focus on US health care? that’s your “A” issue? Seriously have you ever experienced the US health system? I have it’s bloody brilliant.
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September 11, 2009 7:39am
Nomestradamus

An amusing exchange from yesterday’s parliamentary question time:

10. CATHERINE DELAHUNTY (Green) to the Minister of Tourism: What is the value of New Zealand’s “clean, green” brand to our tourism economy?
Mr SPEAKER: I call the Hon Jonathan Hunt.
Hon Members: Ha, ha!
Mr SPEAKER: I call the Hon Jonathan Coleman. I apologise to all members.
Hon Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN (Associate Minister of Tourism) on behalf of the Minister of Tourism: That was a long lunch, Mr Speaker! …

The ghost of Jonathan Hunt lives! 🙂
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September 11, 2009 7:42am
Patrick Starr

“You accuse me of callous”…………..but no protests at being a leftwing little wanker ?
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September 11, 2009 7:58am
Rakaia George

Patrick – it’s also worth remembering the poor souls who were killed by the IRA, a group whose funding out of the US was finally stopped by the events of eight years ago…
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September 11, 2009 8:19am
bearhunter

Rakaia George – and let’s not forget those killed by the UDA/UVF, whose funding from the British taxpayer continues today.
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September 11, 2009 8:34am
Bok

Chintonid!!!
It is Friday you bloody slacker!
Where is ,y photo!
I demand my photo now!
(Just trying out being entitled)
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September 11, 2009 8:38am
Cerium

Patrick, I would suggest that while Americans no doubt will start remembering 9-11 when they get to the 11th there is a lot more concern right now about health care generally and health care reforms (Obama has just made a major speech to congress on it), health care availability (people die every day because they can’t afford it) and the deteriorating dysfunction in their politics.
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September 11, 2009 8:40am
Danyl Mclauchlan

9/11 – a moment to remember the poor souls whose lives were ended by evil this day

And a moment for all left wing bloggers to remember the great evil that came into the world this day some four decades ago.
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September 11, 2009 8:51am
petal

I know I am being pedantic, but for us 9/11 falls on 12 Sep.
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September 11, 2009 8:52am
Mr Nobody NZ

I think DPF should let Chintonid do a regular Friday photo post.
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September 11, 2009 8:55am
davidp

>And a moment for all left wing bloggers to remember the great evil that came into the world this day some four decades ago.

Oh yeah… Happy birthday DPF!!!
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September 11, 2009 9:03am
kaya

bearhunter – You say funding “continues” which implies they (protestant paramilitaries) were funded continuously which is not true. I don’t wish to be pedantic but someone reading that might believe the British Government had funded them all along.

The funding of the UDA/UVF is a stupid attempt at bribing these people to quit their lives of crime and become “normal”. I don’t like their chances, most of these people enjoy the feeling of power they have over others. I gives them some sort of status in what would otherwise be pretty pathetic lives.

BTW I’m not defending any of them, I believe that 90% of ALL the paramilitaries in N.I. were nothing but common thugs and gangsters who found an easy outlet to rob, kill and terrorise local communities. A lot of them attracted in during bleak periods in the 70’s with unemployment running at 40% + and a during a general period of unease and fear.
N.I. may not be normal for at least another 3 generations, too much deep seated hatred that needs to be bred out.
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September 11, 2009 9:04am
TripeWryter

It might have been ‘9/11’ in the United Staes when it all happened, but down here in the Antipodes it happened on September 12, 2001.
So there is still a day to go.
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September 11, 2009 9:09am
bearhunter

Kaya, you’re telling me nothing. I lived there.
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September 11, 2009 9:11am
big bruv

Good point Rakaia.

All those good “Irish” Democrats who funded the IRA for generations, the same Democrats who welcomed the two murderers Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams as hero’s when they visited New York.

Interestingly enough, B Hussein Messiah Obama continues to welcome scum like McGuinness to this very day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:President_Barack_Obama_meets_Northern_Ireland_First_Minister_Peter_Robinson_and_Deputy_First_Minister_Martin_McGuinness.jpg
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September 11, 2009 9:17am
bearhunter

@ Kaya, and I wasn’t simply referring to the Conflict Transformation cash either, I was referring to instances such as the awarding of contracts to building firms owned and run by the UVF throughout the 80s as well. The legendary millions that the IRA raised in American bars was more “widows and orphans fund” stuff than serious mardware cash. That came from different sources.
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September 11, 2009 9:17am
Ryan Sproull

9/11 – a moment to remember the poor souls whose lives were ended by evil this day

Actually, the coup that put Pinochet in power didn’t kill that many people. It wasn’t until over the next three months that thousands of suspected leftists were “disappeared” by the US-backed tyrant.
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September 11, 2009 9:23am
dime

Brian – i was shocked they played loose change as well. morons.

i do enjoy this time of year though

“Bush was behind 9/11”

so what they are saying is, bush (who is apparently stupid), could mastermind 9/11.. but the great clinton couldn’t get sucked off in office without the world knowing..

makes sense..
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September 11, 2009 9:30am
Chthoniid

Apologies for the delay, just a touch of real life getting in the way.

I see the mayhem has already begun 🙂

Here’s something quite furry, albeit it’s not a mammal…
http://chthoniid.zenfolio.com/img/v3/p604288119-5.jpg

(Sticking to Colombian coffee this morning).
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September 11, 2009 9:31am
Ryan Sproull

That’s awesome, Cthoniid.
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September 11, 2009 9:34am
lofty

Bouma killer fatally knifed
New 7:00AM Friday Sep 11, 2009

A convicted killer who was stabbed to death by his girlfriend had spent six years in jail for his part in the brutal murder of Beverly Bouma in Reporoa.

Dillon Hitaua was the high-profile killer who died last month after being stabbed at the remote Matahi Valley home he shared with his partner of 15 years, Leigh Ann Tamati.

Tamati stabbed him in the leg on August 17, causing him to bleed to death. She was charged with murdering Hitaua but this week pleaded guilty in Whakatane to a lesser charge of manslaughter. Name suppression for both lapsed on Wednesday.

Hitaua is the second of four people involved in Mrs Bouma’s killing to meet an early untimely death. David “Blue” Poumako died in prison of a heart attack in 2001.

“How sad, never mind”.

Mongrel!!!!!!!!
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September 11, 2009 9:42am
Angus

Stop it lofty, you’re breaking my heart.

Also, hasn’t our very own Uncle Trev done well lately ?
http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2009/09/prize-for-van-joness-scalp-should-go.html
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/VickyNissen/2009/09/07/Obama-and-His-Cronies
http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2009/09/be-back-to-you-soon.html
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September 11, 2009 9:47am
side show bob

Did anyone watch the mighty naki kick the pussycats arse last night?.
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September 11, 2009 9:52am
Brian Smaller

side show bob – I did – it was embarrasing for me. I suspect there will be more than a few Naki and Manawatu boys in the Hurricanes next year.

On another note – apparently they needed a doctor to tell that Caster Semanya was in fact a male. Who could have known it? I do feel sorry for her though. External female genitalia but no ovaries and a pair of testes pumping out testosterone. The end of her sporting career unfortunately.
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September 11, 2009 9:58am
Brian Smaller

so what they are saying is, bush (who is apparently stupid), could mastermind 9/11.. but the great clinton couldn’t get sucked off in office without the world knowing..

Dime – Funny thing. Apparently poor Gitmo terrorists were “tortured” by having cigar smoke blown in their faces by their interrogators. Good thing Clinton wasn’t doing the interrogation given his preferred use of a stogie.
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September 11, 2009 10:01am
TripeWryter

Actually, the coup that put Pinochet in power didn’t kill that many people. It wasn’t until over the next three months that thousands of suspected leftists were “disappeared” by the US-backed tyrant.

For Ryan:
A relative of mine spent a year in Chile as a student in 1992. As a young girl she and her family had known Chilean refugees to NZ, so a lot of her knowledge about the country before she went had come from them, and also from reading the usual texts about how evil Gen Pinochet and his regime were.

My niece was billeted with a family in a lower middle-class area of Santiago. She went to the local school.
What impressed her was the support Pinochet still had among the lower middle classes, and below.
Over the years his regime had built something like 200,000 houses, which people could buy for about $US2000. Another was the improvements in health services.
That was what her host family and others told her. Her host mother was a school teacher; her husband was a builder.

General Pinochet was popular, but not among middle class urban liberals.

Salvador Allende Gossens was democratically elected.
But when bread became hard to get, and it cost so much, it was the housewives in the poor suburbs in first Santiago and then other cities and towns banging their pots on their doorsteps, that was pretty much the end for him.

Yes, the CIA appears to have had a role in ending Allende’s government. But his own incompetence didn’t help him, either.
Pinochet saw himself as a patriot. It is not generally known, but he was not the most likely coup-ster. Despite his reservations he did support the Allende regime at first. But when the country started sliding into chaos, and he saw what he believed athiestic Communism taking over, he acted.

I’m trying to remember the name of it, but a most interesting book came out some years ago about Pinochet and his regime. From memory it was called Nation at War.
It challenged some of the ‘orthodoxy’ about Pinochet and Chile.
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September 11, 2009 10:02am
getstaffed

Cthoniid – thanks. Your Friday ‘Creepy crawlies and coffee’ post is something I look out for each week.
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September 11, 2009 10:03am
Brian Smaller

Trypewriter – still, dropping people out of planes above the Pacific is a little harsh.
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September 11, 2009 10:11am
Ryan Sproull

Interesting, TrypeWriter. If you remember the name of the book, please let me know.
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September 11, 2009 10:24am
philu

whoar..!..who knew..?

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/margaret-thatcher-did-not-want-the-reunification-of-germanythe-berlin-wall-to-come-downthis-is-what-she-told-gorbachov/

“..And Mr Gorbachev saw another problem: without the Wall, West Germany would buy up the East lock, stock and barrel.

He also pointed to another difficulty: other Western leaders didn’t want reunification.

They couldn’t say so, as this was Nato policy.

Instead, they were trying to manoeuvre the Kremlin into vetoing the idea, he told his colleagues.

He should know.

Two months earlier Margaret Thatcher had arrived in the Kremlin on a mission: to halt reunification.

She trusted Mr Gorbachev.

She trusted him to keep her secrets.

She asked him to stop the tape recorders and the notetakers.

Then she began. “The reunification of Germany is not in the interests of Britain and Western Europe,” she said.

Forget what you have heard or read in Nato communiqués.

“We don’t want a united Germany.”

It would lead to a change in Europe’s postwar borders.

“We cannot allow that, because such development would undermine the stability of the whole international situation ..

.. and could endanger our security…”

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 11, 2009 10:36am
TripeWryter

Brian Smaller (1656) Vote: 0 0 Says:

September 11th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Trypewriter – still, dropping people out of planes above the Pacific is a little harsh.
Ryan Sproull (2518) Vote: 0 0 Says:

September 11th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Interesting, TrypeWriter. If you remember the name of the book, please let me know.

(A) Yes, it is.

(B) Certainly. I’ll look at the library tonight or this weekend. Pretty sure it was Nation at War.
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September 11, 2009 10:44am
Cerium

Interesting article Phil. And that points to another one:

Gorbachev: ‘When we were putting an end to the Cold War, we said that the world needs to rethink old problems. We need to understand where we are. We need to start thinking about the fact that half the population of the world lives on one or two dollars a day. Sixty per cent of the ecosystems have been broken. The atmosphere has been polluted. Oceans and rivers have been polluted. If we just leave it as it is, if we just continue down this path, then this will end very badly. We were saying that every country needs to change.’

“I said to those Americans who were asking my advice, ‘You had this euphoria of victory, of the West winning the Cold War. You thought that you did not need any changes because everything was going so well for the West. But after the euphoria will come disappointment and you’re already seeing that it was a mistake to glory in that victory. So if you insist on me giving advice, I will certainly not give you a kind of menu or a timetable for change, but I do believe that what America needs is its own perestroika.’”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6816872.ece

This could easily apply to the current state of capitalism.

I don’t think it applies so much in NZ, sure, we need less government, less tax, more productivity, less making money out of artificial markets. But at least our politics seems to be heading in a positive direction.
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September 11, 2009 10:57am
nickb

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10596555

What a joke. More weasel words from the propaganda arm of the Labour Party.
Since when has the taxpayer stumped up for a pottery course???
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September 11, 2009 11:31am
Tauhei Notts

Tripe wRITER’S COMMENTS ON cHILE ARE GOOD.
One good thing the Pinochet regime did was bring in a contributory superannuation plan. Now all workers have an interest in the profitability of the companies in their country as it affects their old age pension. When a N.Z. politician asked how they got it all started, and didn’t the peasants revolt, the response was;
‘we had a military dictatorship at the time.”
The bad parts of the Pinochet regime did not seem to extend to Rapa Nui.
Don’t ask for a double whisky in Chile. Their nips are about, and I am not kidding, 170 millilitres. One drink is enough.
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September 11, 2009 11:38am
nickb

And Cerium excels himself again with his first post.
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September 11, 2009 11:38am
kaya

bearhunter – I lived there too.

From the Times online in 2005:

“In 2000 the British Government made it illegal for parties to raise funds outside the UK. However, Northern Ireland was exempted because both the SDLP and Sinn Fein depended on fundraising in the Republic of Ireland. They were also allowed to keep donations anonymous, because of the threat of intimidation to donors.

This allowed Sinn Fein to continue to raise funds in America, which security sources said had netted them between £15 million and £20 million since the ban on such activities had been lifted by President Clinton in March 1995.”

Hardly “widows and orphans” funding. I know the IRA had other sources of funding and weapons, particularly from the Middle East. Gaddafi in particular was fond of arming both sides of the conflict as it helped destabilise the British Govt.

The whole place was a quagmire of dirty tricks and was never the simple ideological war of the “downtrodden freedom fighters against the imperialists” as most Americans believed. Do you remember the classic “sting” where a reporter (I think it was The Cook Report) managed to get an audio recording of the IRA and UDA dissecting North Belfast for protection rackets?
MI5 gave intel to Loyalists to target Republicans. It was ugly.
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September 11, 2009 11:54am
nickb

Awesome chtoniid!
Some kind of moth?
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September 11, 2009 11:57am
kaya

cerium – you don’t “make money out of artificial markets” you only truly make money by creating or adding value. If/when a huge correction comes the “real” world won’t be as badly affected as the Disneyland of Wall Street. Real products and services will still be bought and sold somehow.

There is a fundamental flaw in the bastardised markets we have today, p/e ratios are at record highs. “Faith” is the only thing keeping the financial markets going, either that or fear of the reality that almost inevitably has to come.
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September 11, 2009 12:17pm
backster

LOFTY:::Nice to read some good news. I hope the Judge takes Tamati’s public service into consideration when he sentences her. Indeed he could take a lesson from her on appropriate punishments. Two to go maybe Divine Intervention will see that they get their just deserts too.
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September 11, 2009 12:19pm
lofty

@backster..heh..
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September 11, 2009 12:30pm
NeillR

From the NZ Herald:

Labour is calling on Finance Minister Bill English to release details of his family trust as questions build over the way he qualified for a $700-a-week accommodation allowance.

What a bunch of dummies. All you’re doing is annoucing to the world that you don’t know the first thing about finances.
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September 11, 2009 1:17pm
TripeWryter

For Ryan Sproull:
The correct name of the book about Chile I referred to earlier was

A Nation of Enemies, Pamela Constable, W W Norton, 1991.
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September 11, 2009 1:39pm
Ryan Sproull

Thanks, Tripe. I’ll keep an eye out for it.
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September 11, 2009 1:45pm
bearhunter

@ kaya – what about ye? Don’t get me wrong, I hold no torch for either side of that benighted conflict, I’m more of a Me Feiner than a Sinn Feiner, but the fund-raising in the US never reached those levels from passing a hat around the pub. The majority of the funding came – as you say – from the Middle East, South America, large-scale criminal activity and – going back a bit – the USSR. I remember the Cook Report sting and I recall working in a pub where a similar meeting happened. A shower of gangsters the whole bloody lot of them. Happily for them they have immigrants to terrorise now when the thrill of an old enmity palls.
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September 11, 2009 2:19pm
Chthoniid

Thanks Ryan, nickb and getstaffed.

The moth is an Australian gum-emperor moth. Its range in NZ is pretty much restricted to Australian eucalypt trees…
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September 11, 2009 2:22pm
Chthoniid

@Mr Nobody NZ (182) Vote: 4 0 Says:

September 11th, 2009 at 8:55 am

I think DPF should let Chintonid do a regular Friday photo post.

It’s entirely up to DPF, but this idea doesn’t present me with any problems.
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September 11, 2009 2:40pm
kaya

@ bearhunter – beezer, waddaboucherself? lol

I left in 1985 after I was told I couldn’t vote for the Worker’s Party because their man was a Catholic, I said I was voting for his policies (I was a budding socialist in those days, more realist now!!) and he looked at me like I was from the planet Pluto. On top of that being threatened with losing my kneecaps for having a Catholic girlfriend was a last straw!!

Yes I hear the Eastern European immigrants are causing a bit of grief there, maybe that will be the catalyst to pull them together! You know what they are like, get them out of Norn Iron and most of them are the best of mates!

I worked in South Africa in the early ’80s on the Sasol coal-oil conversion plant and all the boys (about 60 of us) from the North and South were as thick as thieves, religion wasn’t even mentioned. Scrapped together like blood brothers against everybody else!!! The piss up when Norn Iron beat Spain at the World Cup was unbelievable (go Gerry Armstrong!). There were about 100 Spaniards working there and they got ribbed mercilessly as you would expect.
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September 11, 2009 2:58pm
coventry

History never repeats, my arse…

http://iforce.co.nz/i/s1ijvpqd.jpg – Yes WORK SAFE

Is it the beard, glasses, persona ? or does Clayton have a twin ?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2855881/Horror-house-murder-accused-revealed
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September 11, 2009 3:58pm
Bok

Chthoniid
Good effort once again, but a bit snappier next week please. by the way took ownership of a EOS 5D MARK ii
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September 11, 2009 5:12pm
Chthoniid

Heh, will try harder. I’ve been doing a lot of comissioned shooting lately and didn’t have a lot prepared.

The 5D Mk II is quite a serious piece of gear. That sensor though is going to put a lot of demands on the glass you attach.

I’ve been pretty old school of late though, just developed 2 rolls of Kodak portra. I still like the feel and sound of film moving through a camera. Somedays appreciating the mechanical qualities of a fine film camera is more zen-like than lots of micro-processors in a DSLR 🙂
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September 11, 2009 5:25pm
Bok

Chthoniid
Just been chatting to an old mate in London.
Talk about old school.
We both still holding on to our F1 and A 1 Canons. Mine is just over 30 years old.
His slightly younger.
So I know what you mean.
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September 11, 2009 5:48pm
philu

d4j is on tvone news…re the chch murders..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 11, 2009 6:07pm
Nomestradamus

Further to what Philu’s just said, and for those like me who didn’t see the TV item, TV1 has a news story here.

I wonder if D4J cares to comment?
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September 11, 2009 6:33pm
transmogrifier

Re: Smaller @ 7:07am

Loose Change 9/11 may have been total crap, but the doco that followed was a powerful reminder of the tragedy of that day. All video and audio shot on the day, no voice-over. It was sobering and wrenching. I want to show it to my students.
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September 11, 2009 6:47pm
kaya

Brian Smaller @ 7.07am

I’ve read and watched many things both pro and anti conspiracy. There are a ton of questions around what happened that day that have yet to be answered adequately that could have been and should have been. I really don’t know how you can come to the conclusion that “Every bit of conspiracy crap in that ‘conspiracy drama’ was debunked by non other than that right wing rag, Popular Mechanics.”

I’ve read the so called debunking and it wasn’t all that convincing. All I can tell you is that if this was a legal case and I was on the jury, the evidence presented by the conspiracy theorists has been better put together and presented by a long, long way. I would be looking for a new defence lawyer if I was Popular Mechanics.
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September 11, 2009 7:57pm
Hurf Durf

In terms of 9/11 docos tonight, C/I looks to be a better choice: a 2 and a half dramatisation of what happened inside the Towers, then a 1 hour documentary on the Falling Man. History Channel showed Loose Change a few years ago as well. They haven’t been much cop for a while though.
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September 11, 2009 8:07pm
Jack5

New topic for a second if I may…

New York Times (tonight NZ time) runs a story that geothermal energy projects may trigger earthquakes.

With Greens and fellow travellers pushing renewable energy, including North Island geothermal projects, this should be of big interest in this country.

If this proves correct, the Greens willl no longer be able to be so sanctimonious about their “climate change” threatening the world. Their renewable energy enthusiasm may also endanger people.

The link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/science/earth/11quake.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pagewanted=print
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"Seymour is only doing openly what M?ori nationalists and their Pakeha allies have been doing, quietly for the past 50 years."
Not PC
Do the KCs believe in democracy
Utopia
More young offenders will get boot camp, bus drivers will get some protection – and there’s relief for southern farmers
Point of Order
Your Cheatin’ Ballot III: Pennsylvania Right Now
No Minister
Sowell says
Hompaddock
Open mike 22/11/2024
The Standard
The transgender agenda sunk Kamala
Bob McCoskrie's McBlog
SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT
No Punches Pulled (Bob Jones)
What does “reciprocity” mean in New Zealand laws?
Croaking Cassandra
A Day of Reckoning
NZCPR
Media Link: “A View from Afar” on the US elections.
Kiwipolitico
This will not end well
Offsetting Behaviour
Top 14 Predictions for Round 10
Stats Chat
Tory Whanau may have to sell Wellington mayoralty to make ends meet
The Civilian
The Accidental Engagement
Imperator Fish
Legal Beagle: Election '23: The Special Votes
Public Address
Making this movie might have been a mistake
Liam Hehir
Why I am retiring from political blogging
Kiwi FireWalker
Angie Warren-Clark: Meet the Newbies
Dan Moskovitz