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August 4, 2009 7:03am by David Farrar

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Cerium

Redbaiter, I asked you on Sunday, you might have missed, or you might have ignored
– what sort of government would you be happy with in NZ?
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August 4, 2009 7:10am
Brian Smaller

One that kept the fuck out of my life.
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August 4, 2009 7:26am
Cerium

No laws? No infrastructure? No services? No trade?
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August 4, 2009 7:27am
Banana Llama

People decide laws, provide services and conduct trade ….
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August 4, 2009 7:34am
philu

pot-porn..?..anyone..?

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/a-shopping-catalogue-from-a-medical-marijuana-dispensary/

this contains pictures of..(’pot-porn..mmm..!!)..and descriptions of the strain of weed..

..and a description of the different types of highs…

..and of the medical properties/benefits of each of those strains..

“..chemdog:..

The newest powerhouse of the Kush/Diesel family..

.. Chemdog’s potency is the stuff of legend.

Smell is Very fuely and strong, taste similar to how it smells..

.. fuely with a lemony diesel kick.

With glaucoma sufferers in particular praising its qualities for relieving eye pressure.

Price: 1 pound: $5500-6500..”

(mmm!!!..’with a lemony diesel kick’..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 4, 2009 8:09am
Murray

One that was clever enough to work out WHO they work for.

When 80% of people don’t want a law who represents them when sucessive PM’s say cram it, we know whats good for you.
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August 4, 2009 8:12am
Simon

3 significant regional banks have just fallen over in America. FDIC can’t cover the depositors. It’s the beginning of the end. FDIC almost wiped out anyway.

The books have been cooked and the Feds looked away. (its not fraud if the govt does it) Its game over.

US dollar, share market and then the US government to crash it is only a matter of time.
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August 4, 2009 8:18am
nickb

Phil’s high again
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August 4, 2009 8:19am
Patrick Starr

He’ll be making contact with Natasha Fuller to see how he can squeeze another $5500-6500 out of the state for a pound
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August 4, 2009 8:24am
Cerium

Nick and Patrick, the tedious master baiters are back at it again.
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August 4, 2009 8:27am
philu

this one is for red..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/kenyan-birth-certificate-obama-birthers-latch-on-to-forgery/

“..The latest development in the Obama “birther” conspiracy is the emergence of a “Kenyan birth certificate” for the president..

.. put online by movement maven Orly Taitz.

Oddly, the same people who are so skeptical of Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate are willing to accept this new document despite many flaws..

.. documented by the Washington Independent’s Dave Weigel and Markos Moulitsas.

Here are just some of the flaws:

Kenya was a Dominion the date this certificate was allegedly issued and would not become a republic for 8 months.

Mombasa belonged to Zanzibar when Obama was born, not Kenya.

Obama’s father’s village would be nearer to Nairobi, not Mombasa.

The number 47O44– 47 is Obama’s age when he became president, followed by the letter O (not a zero) followed by 44–he is the 44th president.

EF Lavender is a laundry detergent..”

(oh..!..and karl rove twittered that this is ‘a forgery’..)

(’nuff said..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 4, 2009 8:29am
Inventory2

Patrick Starr said “He’ll be making contact with Natasha Fuller to see how he can squeeze another $5500-6500 out of the state for a pound”

Patrick – perhaps Phil will touch up WINZ for a grant to set up a cleaning business that he can then close down when work gets too much for him 😉
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August 4, 2009 8:32am
Patrick Starr

problem is IV2 – they’d take one look at him and know he would have nothing to do with cleaning
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August 4, 2009 8:34am
expat

jesus h krist, at least phil has a slightly more interesting esoteric thread of conversation (ie he actually likes something) than the old man droning & wanking here.
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August 4, 2009 8:40am
Cerium

Does anyone else get fed up with the daily phil baiting that seems to take over here?
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August 4, 2009 8:56am
Cerium

Simon raised an interesting point – is the economy actually recovering, or is this a period of false hope before the real dive occurs? That’s been predicted by more than a few.
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August 4, 2009 9:04am
racer1

Orly Taitz, dentist, lawyer and real estate agent, sounds more like a professional document forger than anything else.
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August 4, 2009 9:04am
Glutaemus Maximus

Cerium.

Mickey Savages more chilled flatmate.

Still a TWAT!
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August 4, 2009 9:04am
Herman Poole

Does anyone else get fed up with the daily phil baiting that seems to take over here?

I certainly get fed up with your gormless posts.
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August 4, 2009 9:07am
Inventory2

@ Cerium (8.56am) – No. What I do get sick of is someone who can spend his days running a “news aggregation service” from his home being funded from my taxes. If Phil can spend all day on the computer in his home, why can’t he do the same in an office setting?
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August 4, 2009 9:13am
philu

further to the cerium post at 9.04..

Zero Hedge:

“From the end of 2007 through Q1 of 2009, household equity has declined by 94%. Is it surprising that today’s GDP number would have been a complete debacle if the consumer had been left alone to prop the U.S. economy, on whom 70% of the economy is reliant?

Obama pulled a Hail Mary with the stimulus: without it there would be no debate America is in a depression right now.” (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/money-sidelines-fallacy)

What does all this mean?

It means the consumer is down-for-the-count. His credit lines have been cut, his home equity eviscerated, and his checking account swimming in red ink.

That spells trouble for an economy that’s 70% dependent on consumer spending for growth….which brings us to another interesting point.

The uptick in GDP last quarter was almost entirely the result of the surge in government spending; ie “fiscal and monetary stimulus”.

How long can that go on?

How long will China keep slurping up US Treasuries rather than let their currency rise? ..”

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/skip-the-happy-talk-this-depression-is-just-beginning/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 4, 2009 9:18am
Glutaemus Maximus

I hardly dare post!

Going from 1999 to 2000

The World will come to an end with the Millenium bug.

The Socialists said so!

Come and regulate my shower if you dare!

These pinkos have multiple personality disorders. No chance of getting any sense from any of you!

Were you all abused as children?
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August 4, 2009 9:22am
village idiot

Phil Ure disturbs you because he has the things you can only wish for: time and freedom. He’s organised his life so that he can involve himself in what he loves; politics and debate. He openly enjoys some hedonistic pleasures and at the same time lives a life of principle – his refusal to eat meat is no secret. Those who rail against him do so because your crave the things he has.
Imho.
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August 4, 2009 9:24am
Murray

He “disturbs” me because hes a parastic peice of shit without the ability or even will to think for himself. A morally bankrupt self impressed useless skidmark in the underpants of our society.

He ahsn’t organised shit, hes an ex-con drug addict unable to get his arse out of his chair and has to be plugged into other peoples money like a life sustaining fucking IV by the socialist government he loves like Winston loved Big Brother. Fuck that shit, I’m mine and I have a brain.

If I need you to tell me what I think idiot I’ll let you know.
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August 4, 2009 9:30am
expat

and you are so aptly named VI.

QED.
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August 4, 2009 9:32am
nickb

Did I read the last philu post correctly??
There were…no…fullstops.

My god.
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August 4, 2009 9:35am
Brian Smaller

Cerium.

Mickey Savages more chilled flatmate.

Still a TWAT!

Hold true for both meanings of the word.
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August 4, 2009 9:37am
Cerium

GM:

The millenium bug was a valid concern, grossly overblown. I dealt with millenium “bugs”. I have dealt with other date issues before and after the change of century. Came across one a few months ago. I don’t know what the “socialists” had to do with it, I presume they were blamed for another plot to take over the world.

The shower thing was stupid. I replaced my own shower head a couple of years ago to a low flow version, works well using less water. Should be encouraged, but not regulated.

If the pinkos are classified as non-smackers they shouldn’t have been abused as children.
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August 4, 2009 9:37am
RightNow

phlu, must be good weed that makes you think you’re in the top 1% on technorati when eveyone else who looks at it can see clearly you’re in the bottom 1%

….eh?
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August 4, 2009 9:37am
racer1

Murray is a dick.
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August 4, 2009 9:46am
Cerium

If I need you to tell me what I think idiot I’ll let you know.
The trouble is you seem to keep letting us know every fucking day. Over and over. Get over it.
Having a brain isn’t difficult. Try using it.
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August 4, 2009 9:54am
Simon

More so than usual we are being lied too. Obama, his Admin, the media, the bankers and some commentators. All lying. The justification is if Obama spoke the truth there would be a panic and then market crash. Fib now and things will get better later. Keep the truth hidden and trade and spend out of trouble.

Eg the banks cook the books and say the valuations are ok to keep their capital ratios clean so the bank is not taken over by the Feds. The Feds don’t have the resources to take over all the banks with stuffed ratios so they look the other way. Maybe the valuations will come right next year.

Problem is you can’t lie long term to the market. The market will know sooner or later. It always does. Right just at this moment bank insiders are selling big time. Its game over.
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August 4, 2009 9:55am
paradigm

Did I read the last philu post correctly??
There were…no…fullstops.

My god.

The recession probably made weed more expensive, and he is starting to sober up.

Lets hope he doesn’t relapse when the economy improves or the next lot of benefit money comes through.
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August 4, 2009 10:05am
MT_Tinman

Last year I was farted around outside of a major Labour party conference in Christchurch’s Convention Centre due to a several taxpayer-funded limos and a large contingent of police guards – many, if not all, armed.

Imagine my surprise this year to note a single policeman outside each entrance for the National party conference and not a limo in sight all weekend.
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August 4, 2009 10:06am
racer1

Guess that shows you where the true threat to politicians physical safety is.
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August 4, 2009 10:11am
village idiot

Murray – I hit the nail on the head with my ‘you’re fascinated by Phil’ comment. Without him, I suspect, you’d be nothing. I wager you know more about Phil Ure than you do about any other single poster here. You’re a fan.
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August 4, 2009 11:27am
Ross Nixon

OMG, I voted up a philu post!

OK, someone has jumped onto his computer or hacked his password.
Nothing else could explain it.
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August 4, 2009 11:30am
WraithX

This is for philu and all the other vegetarians/vegans out there:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill
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August 4, 2009 11:38am
MyNameIsJack

John Key and his Notional govt think NZ troops should go to Afghanistan to fight “global terrorism”.

Bullfuckingshit.

Terrorism is, by definition, not a war, but a criminal act and should be attacked by policing, not warfare.

Australia has had troops, fighting terrorism, in Afghanistan since Shrub began is War on Terror(tm) but that doesn’t stop terror attacks on Australia. Good policing does that.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/counterterrorism-raids-across-melbourne-20090804-e7i5.html
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August 4, 2009 11:54am
philu

“..phlu, must be good weed that makes you think you’re in the top 1% on technorati when eveyone else who looks at it can see clearly you’re in the bottom 1%.”

interesting that same software-site-evaluation shows kiwiblog with a lower number than whoar..eh..?

..so..following yr logic..

..i’m ‘bigger’ than kiwiblog..eh..?

(psstt..!!..don’t tell him..eh..?..

..he’ll be/get really pissed off.)

(haven’t you noticed how he’s doing many more posts these days..?

..he needs to catch-up..eh..?…)

this is a tortise and a hare race..

..i’m the tortise..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

[DPF: Phil shows his failure to understand the difference between quantity and quality. Yes Phil posts a lot to his blog. But how many people read it, comment on it or link to it?

According to the public info, Technorati finds five links to your blog in six months (KB is 139) Alexa has you in rank 1,735,000 (KB is 75,000) and the last comment made on your blog (not by you) was on the 11th of July – or 24 days ago]
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August 4, 2009 12:16pm
starboard

racer1 (143) Vote: 4 5 Says:

August 4th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Murray is a dick.

..pot..meet kettle…
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August 4, 2009 12:21pm
Chicken Little

Is it school holidays?
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August 4, 2009 12:36pm
Redbaiter

“Terrorism is, by definition, not a war, but a criminal act and should be attacked by policing, not warfare.”

So what are you going to do, read them their Miranda rights before you shoot at them? If there came a time you wrote something here that didn’t come straight from left wing halfwit Central Control it would be the first.
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August 4, 2009 12:46pm
WraithX

Alexa comparison of rank of kiwiblog versus whoar:

whoar.co.nz: 1,773,899 (International); 31,270 (NZ)
kiwiblog.co.nz: 79,040 (International); 205 (NZ)

philu: your site virtually doesn’t even register for NZ whereas kiwiblog is the 209th most popular site here.
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August 4, 2009 12:52pm
Chris_C

# Glutaemus Maximus (2001)
August 4th, 2009 at 9:22 am

I hardly dare post!

Going from 1999 to 2000

The World will come to an end with the Millenium bug.

The Socialists said so!

Come and regulate my shower if you dare!

These pinkos have multiple personality disorders. No chance of getting any sense from any of you!

Were you all abused as children?

What happened, exactly? Did the tinfoil hat stop working against the voices, so you decided to chew on a few thermometers?
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August 4, 2009 12:52pm
RightNow

phlu that’s hilarious, comedy gold!
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August 4, 2009 12:54pm
RightNow

has it occured to you yet, phlu, that you’re interpeting the numbers the wrong way around? the higher number means your site is ranked worse, not better
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August 4, 2009 12:55pm
RRM

Ripping into PhilU is apparently STILL the hottest topic on “general debate” of NZ’s biggest political blog? Says something about the rest of us.
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August 4, 2009 12:56pm
Hurf Durf

Surprise! Left wing media soils itself at image of Obama as the Joker, fails to notice irony of having done it themselves with Bush a year ago.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/politics/new-anti-obama-joker-poster/
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2008/07/bush-as-joker.html

How do these people dress themselves in the morning?
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August 4, 2009 1:05pm
freethinker

Simon (124) Vote: 6 1 Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 8:18 am

3 significant regional banks have just fallen over in America. FDIC can’t cover the depositors. It’s the beginning of the end. FDIC almost wiped out anyway.

The books have been cooked and the Feds looked away. (its not fraud if the govt does it) Its game over.

US dollar, share market and then the US government to crash it is only a matter of time.

Simon – do you have any more details like names as i cannot find anything on CNN or Fox.
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August 4, 2009 1:06pm
Hurf Durf

Terrorism is, by definition, not a war, but a criminal act and should be attacked by policing, not warfare.

Because that worked so well for Clinton, didn’t it Jack?
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August 4, 2009 1:10pm
philu

dpf..according to the site evaluation software..on the technorati evaluation..your physical number is lower..as in a smaller part of 1%..than me..

..i read that as you being higher than me..

..btw..same software showed me in top 6.5% on alexa..(something i have not ‘signed up to’

(go figure..!..eh..?..

..which way do you want it..)

i guess it’s the software i used vs. yr public acceess to technorati..eh..?

..and yes..dpf..whoar is a news aggregation site..(i send people off to places to read things..

..whereas kiwiblog is talkback-blog..

..and you have gathered up fifty or so refugees from talkback radio..

..who drive yr comments threads..

..(which explains the ‘quality’ of dialogue/high rates of personal abuse..

..y’know..!..you go your way..i’ll go mine..

..and we’ll see how things work out..eh..?

plus dpf..i know you know..and use..all the ‘tricks’ to get yr rankings up..

..i know nothing of those skills..

..this site evaluation that was done also instructed me how to increase the amount of notice i get..

..so..watch this space..eh..?

‘cos..y’see..dpf..your sneers to oneside..

..i know thati am producing a quality product..(25-30 new stories/links each and every day..

..and that is what i have been focussing on..

..the quality of my product..

..whereas your traffic is transitory..

..and is only fueled by yr pushing of thread-comment-generation-threads ‘hot-buttons’..eh..?

we both know you consciously do that..eh..?

so..y’know..!..allin all..we are talking apples and oranges..really..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

[DPF: Well you keep enjoying the imaginary ratings your imaginary private software tells you about. I hope you paid for it with imaginary playmoney though.

Incidentially there are 4,491 registered commenters on KB and I have never done anything to change any rankings.]
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August 4, 2009 1:17pm
Chris_C

@ HurfDurf

From the LA Weekly:

The safe money says the first thing out of the mouths of Fox News bobble-heads is, “Can’t liberals take a joke?”
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August 4, 2009 1:21pm
Nomestradamus

Philu:

You apparently didn’t learn this at Auckland Uni:

Technorati Rank is calculated based on how far you are from the top. The blog with the hightest Technorati Authority is the #1 ranked blog. The smaller your Technorati Rank, the closer you are to the top.

Since at the lower end of the scale many blogs will have the same Technorati Authority, they will share the same Technorati Rank.

The Technorati Top 100 shows the most popular 100 blogs based on Technorati Authority. The #1 ranked blog is the blog with the most other distinct blogs linking to it in the last 6 months. If your blog’s rank is, say 305,316, this indicates that there are 305,315 blog ranks separating your blog from the #1 position.

The best way to increase your Technorati Authority is to write things that are interesting to other bloggers so they’ll link to you. Linking to source material when you blog is also a great way to engage in conversation and help others find what you find interesting.

Does this mean your boasting about Whoar rankings for months (and years) is now shown to be hot air?

And do you still stand by this comment:

for the last four and a half years..every day.(early morning start…i have compiled a news aggregator service…whoar.co.nz
..(that yesterday..was ranked in the top 1% of global blogs..by technorati…
..and i have been approached by some americans putting together a big commercial model news/opinion site in america..
..aimed at knocking off huffington post..
..i will own part of that…and hope/expect to make a reasonable..to shit-load of money from that…
and i am about to start cashing in on the high global rankigs for whoar…
..(so i expect to be off that dpb sooner..rather than later..
..now..to my mind..through sweat equity/brainpower..i have got myself in a strong position to leave the benefit..

How is the “big commercial model news/opinion site” coming along? Are the Americans happy with your Technorati ranking? Still want you on board with their venture?
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August 4, 2009 1:28pm
Hurf Durf

..i know thati am producing a quality product..(25-30 new stories/links each and every day..

Quantity does not equal quality. Do I detect a hint of jealousy coming through?

The safe money says the first thing out of the mouths of Fox News bobble-heads is, “Can’t liberals take a joke?”

Wow, how prescient. And they can’t, strangely enough. Why so vastly protective of their Sun God?
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August 4, 2009 1:28pm
philu

and don’t they get fucken sick of talking about me..?

..is there nothing else in what passes for their brains..

..these morons lack any intellectual ability to engage in any form of reasoned dialogue/argument..

..c’mon..tell me how the american economy is not just a staggering corpse..

c’mon..!..post the evidence that disproves the healing qualites of cannabis..

..c’mon..!..produce the evidence (save anecdotal) that hitting children is ‘good’,..

..c’mon..!..argue the facts that meat/animal fats/dairy don’t cause cancers..?

(and gee..!..why have we got world-beating rates of deaths from thick-blood diseases..?

heart/stroke..?

..and our worldbeating rates of consumption of dairy..?

c’mon..!..present the evidence that the vegan diet isn’t the best for you/the planet..

..you can’t..!

..so all you have to fall back on..

..is personal abuse of the messanger..

..and you reckon that makes you look ‘good’..?

ok..

..carry on..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 4, 2009 1:31pm
Hurf Durf

..these morons lack any intellectual ability to engage in any form of reasoned dialogue/argument..

Delicious tears and irony.

Go on, potboy, tell me about Big Dairy being responsible for 9/11 again. I love it.
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August 4, 2009 1:33pm
racer1

So, the Kenyan Obama (Antichrist) birth certificate was utter horse shit, who would have though?
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August 4, 2009 1:34pm
philu

nosty..the americans approached me ‘cos they had been reading me for some time..

..and liked the stories/’attitude’ at whoar..(the consistant quality of the product..as it were..)

..and yeah..there are some people around new york beavering away as we speak..

..(and it’s a lovely sunny day up here in akkers..the l.a. of the north..

..how is it for you..?..)

plus..one other difference between the (local) talkback version of blog..and the news aggregation i do at whoar..

..is that kiwiblog is a domestic audince..+ expats..

..whoar has a global focus..yes it has local stories..

..but the international ones is where the ‘good stuff’ is..

as i said..’apples and oranges’..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 4, 2009 1:42pm
Chris_C

Wow, how prescient. And they can’t, strangely enough. Why so vastly protective of their Sun God?

Well, aside from the fact that it’s a rip-off from an idea from the left – so they must have some good ideas – I wouldn’t call it prescient to point out the inherent predictability of Republicans. They are, after all, that predictable.
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August 4, 2009 1:44pm
Hurf Durf

Wow, nice deflection, Chwissy. Well played, especially with the “good ideas” canard. 7/10. It still doesn’t disguise the fact that the Obamedia are total bedwetters who can give it but can’t take it. But, I’ll forgive you your own bedwetting just this once.

Who would have thought that human nature would be so predictable, anyway? Mindblowing!

And phool, you’re a liar. No one reads your blog. http://alexa.com/siteinfo/whoar.co.nz
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August 4, 2009 1:53pm
Nomestradamus

Philu:

I’m not sure your news aggregation service qualifies as a “blog” according to the Technorati definition.

But, leaving that to one side, what on earth prompted your 1.17pm attack on DPF? All he’s done is quote publicly-available blog rankings.
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August 4, 2009 1:54pm
Cerium

Redbaiter, everyone is waiting for you to tell how Orly Taitz got on. You promised yesterday it would be big.
Was her interview on MSNBC a success?
Was she really born in the USSR?
Did she really get her law degree by correspondence?

“If this turns out to be a bad document that she’s posted, I think it gives the non-birthers an argument to say: ‘See, these people don’t know what they’re doing,’” said Philip J. Berg, a Pennsylvania attorney who filed the first “eligibility” lawsuit against Obama one year ago this month.

Are the birthers really in more disarray then Labour?
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August 4, 2009 2:17pm
Owen McShane

Is Government going to ignore the assault on the sanctity of private property being played out in Northland.

An Australian businessmen, who want to invest in the Northland economy buys a property at auction at a mortgagee sale – sold because the Maori tenants did not keep up with their mortgage. He goes to move in and the Maori tenants say he may own the building but that being Maori they own the land and are staying put. The police say they cannot evict them without a court order.
He has to go to court and the Court throws out the Maori tenants case so he goes to the police to evict them.
But they have decided to appeal and the police have to wait until ‘all processes” have been played out.
And our businessman will have to pay the costs of the appeal.
If a property title is to mean anything this legal situation has to be reversed.
Why would anyone buy a building in New Zealand if case law establishes that you have no right to occupy until the existing tenants have made all their appeals. Remember these tenants triggered the sale by not paying their mortgage. They don’t live there. This is a warehouse type commercial building. The local Maori leaders have disowned them totally recognising that this is not good for business and employment.
But the message is clear – stay clear of rural towns because there is no rule of law where title is concerned.
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August 4, 2009 2:21pm
Chris_C

@ Hurf

You all bore the fuck out of me with the constant sniping and hypocrisy, you know. I suppose it’d be okay if this bollocks actually meant anything, but each ridiculous caricature is as pointless as the last. If anything, it just shows how mindless and stupid resorting to such imagery is when you’re actually talking about real people and real issues.

It’s pretty much like resorting to “socialist”, “conservative” or “liberal” and using them in a context in which it’s insinuated that each is a dirty word – an insult. Oh, which is what that picture does. It makes no commentary on a specific issue, it just dumbs down debate and polarises. It turns things into stupid party political sniping, ideologically based idiocy.

It means nothing. Its main redeeming feature is that it’s “viral”, but the idea of associating a political figure with the joker or any other cartoon character is, first, nothing new. As you know, it was done with GWB and the joker a year ago. Secondly, the idea that you can slap up a poster and it’ll become viral is as old as the hills. Try “obey giant”, or, more recently, the “Earn $$$” stickers that started appearing on bus stops in Wellington.

And you use it as an example that liberals can’t take a joke? On the contrary, some don’t think that the undertones of such a picture are very funny. Whiting up a black man and calling him a socialist? Similarly, some didn’t think that the comparisons between GWB faces and chimps were very funny either. They scuppered any chance of a debate by reducing the president to nothing but a series of images.

There’s no substance in these pictures. They’re not a caricature to accompany a leader in a newspaper. They have no direct commentary except to align someone with a position that’s nothing but anathema to another position. They’re like the chimp/GWB photos – they set you up to fail, obscure what’s happening and contribute to reductionist discourse.

Congratulations. You’re a part of the procession of simulacrum.
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August 4, 2009 2:28pm
Hurf Durf

Wow, Chwissy got seriously butthurt. As much as I’d love this to do with political polarisation, which has been happening for centuries and is unlikely to end soon.It’s more like, your fellow enlightened folks are also butthurt and can’t have their beloved God King mocked or else they spit their dummy out and have a cry. Which is what you have done. Surprise! The Joker painted his face white! Horrors! 10/10, you’ve passed the class!

The shoe’s on the other foot now.
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August 4, 2009 2:36pm
RightNow

phlu, you said;
“..these morons lack any intellectual ability to engage in any form of reasoned dialogue/argument..”
I once attempted a reasoned dialogue/argument with you and found that you aren’t capable of rational assessment of any information that doesn’t fit your preconceptions.

The business with the technorati rankings highlights this. You’d like to believe (in fact you probably do believe) you are in the top 1% and (perhaps subconsciously) have managed to interpret the numbers to make it seem to you that that is so.
I surmise that the ‘americans’ are either a bunch of stoners, some teenage kids having fun with you, or someone that once thought it might be a good idea but have since cooled on the idea (have you had an offer yet? heard from them lately?)

If you were one of my famlily/friends I would organise an intervention for your sake and your kid.
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August 4, 2009 2:40pm
Chris_C

Butthurt? I’m sorry, I had no idea I was talking to a 12 year old boy.

If you need help with some of the bigger words, there’s a few online dictionaries you can use. But make sure you’re off the internet by 7pm, or you’ll be grounded.
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August 4, 2009 2:42pm
Redbaiter

Why are the left and their media Brownshirts speading obvious lies about the Kenyan Birth Certificate??

Lie One- 47044 was originally 47644 They changed it so that it would fit their lie.

Lie Two- The official’s name is K F Lavendar not E F Lavendar.

Why go to all this trouble??

Watch this video. Anyone else find the media’s treatment of this brave lady disgusting? What repugnant cowards Obama’s media Brownshirts really are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln-GuGZO4aY
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August 4, 2009 2:47pm
Ryan Sproull

Redbaiter,

Have you bought WND’s DVD about Obama’s birth?
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August 4, 2009 2:51pm
Ryan Sproull

Also, Orly Taitz’ blog gets blocked by my malware blocker.
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August 4, 2009 2:52pm
Danyl Mclauchlan

Lie One- 47044 was originally 47644 They changed it so that it would fit their lie.

Wow – when you spell it out like that all the pieces of the puzzle really fit into place . . .
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August 4, 2009 2:54pm
Redbaiter

“Also, Orly Taitz’ blog gets blocked by my malware blocker.”

Orly’s site has been blocked by false malware warning from Google for weeks.

When the hell are you people going to post something here that’s up to date and relevant??

When the hell are you going to start asking questions about what is going on??

Morons and cowards. You do not deserve to live in a free country. Your pathetic brainwashed mindsets makes you an excellent fit for citizenship in Cuba or North Korea.

All this can be solved by Obama’s release of the records he has sealed (by executive order) and refuses to show to the public. Why do you not ask him to do this rather than whining on with lies and slander against anyone who wants to check his Constitutionally eligibility??
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August 4, 2009 2:59pm
Cerium

If you stoke the fire under the nutters there is always one that will crack.
Taitz of defeat.

RB, do you include Philip J. Berg and Karl Rove in your brownshirt group?
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August 4, 2009 3:02pm
nickb

Philu I have tried many times to engage in rational debate with you, and debate your political views.
However philu you have proven you are incapable of any though apart from:

1: Ban things that suit your agenda
2: Legalise things that suit your agenda
3: A strong desire to take ever more money from the kiwi taxpayer to perpetuate the lifelong bludging classes such as yourself, without any kind of appreciation of where this money comes from (I.E the taxpayer- the rest of us here on kiwiblog).

The fact that you and your gutless supporters like Chris C have little rational argument other than to label us “rightwing” and neo this neo that wank wank blahblahblah….you get what I mean, gives further weight to the perception that your arguments are piss weak and that deep down you know you have no ground to stand on.
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August 4, 2009 3:11pm
Cerium

We ask you questions that you won’t answer RB.

Your mindset would make you an excellent fit for leader of North Korea.

Again you accuse of what you and the birthers are and do.
“When the hell are you going to post something here that’s up to date and relevant?? ”
“Morons and cowards. ”
“lies and slander “
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August 4, 2009 3:11pm
Chris_C

The fact that you and your gutless supporters like Chris C

Fuck off, I don’t support that docile fucker. He’s as much of a prick as you are.
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August 4, 2009 3:12pm
MyNameIsJack

Redbaiter (7103) Vote: 0 1 Says:

Watch this video. Anyone else find the media’s treatment of this brave lady disgusting? What repugnant cowards Obama’s media Brownshirts really are.

Its horrid, truly horrid.

How DARE he ask her to answer the question?

How DARE he challenge her association of Obama with NAZIs?
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August 4, 2009 3:15pm
Ryan Sproull

Seriously, though, Redbaiter, that Orly Taitz site looks like it was made by a 10-year-old in Geocities in ’96. I keep looking for flashing text and sparkling stars.
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August 4, 2009 3:16pm
Redbaiter

So called Conservatives who are criticising those who want to see proof of Obama’s eligibility to be President should shut the fuck up. In the main, they are still confused by Obama’s lying media brownshirts who have deliberately muddied the waters on this issue. They (Conservatives) do not understand yet that there is no proof that Obama was ever born in the US. The COLB is not a birth certificate.

The correct approach for anyone who is critical of those who doubt Obama’s eligibility is to merely ask Obama to release the documentation. It would cost him nothing to do this, and if it proved his case, would kill the so called “birther” movement stone dead. Even some on the left have made this request.

Right now, the Brownshirts in the media, with their obvious intent to hide the truth, are those most responsible for fanning the flames of civil unrest.
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August 4, 2009 3:17pm
nickb

Don’t be so sanctimonious Chris. Take yourself a bit less seriously.
Of course we’re going to debate the ideas phil brings here, it is [supposedly] a right leaning blog.
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August 4, 2009 3:17pm
Chris_C

You pulled my “support” for philu out of nowhere but your arse.

Don’t drag me into your petty arguments.
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August 4, 2009 3:19pm
nickb

‘You all bore the fuck out of me with the constant sniping and hypocrisy, you know.”

Yes, and you bore me with yours Chris.
Chill out a bit, sorry for any offense caused.
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August 4, 2009 3:24pm
Chris_C

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/229691/july-28-2009/womb-raiders—orly-taitz

Is this a more balanced approach to interviewing Orly Taitz?

She gets a fair go there. 😉
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August 4, 2009 3:25pm
village idiot

Chris – you are not alone in your faux denials of soft-spotting Phil – there are several here who ‘hate’ Phil, who seem not to be able to get enough of him and it’s not only you who seems to glow in his presence. There are worse things to be than a Phil-o-phile.
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August 4, 2009 3:30pm
Patrick Starr

Cerium @8.56 – gee that worked! pfft – you could always go back to the Standard
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August 4, 2009 3:40pm
racer1

So does the law actually say Obama has to make his birth certificate public?
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August 4, 2009 3:54pm
Cerium

“The correct approach for anyone who is critical of those who doubt Obama’s eligibility is to merely ask Obama to release the documentation.”

Red, you are either a bigger sucker than I thought or you are part of the fraud.

You must know that a legal birth certificate has been provided, checked and checked again.

Department of Health Spokeswoman Janice Okubo stated that Hawaii “does not have a short-form or long-form certificate.” The director of her Department has stated that the state holds Obama’s “original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

And

The law allowing foreign-born children to obtain Hawaiian COLBs didn’t exist until 20 years after Obama was born, while Obama’s published COLB says his birth information was recorded four days after his birth in 1961.

So, like asking someone to prove they don’t have WMD, you are demanding that something that doesn’t exist is presented.

But I am sure you won’t let a few facts get in the way of your brownarming, will you?
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August 4, 2009 3:57pm
racer1

Amazing the similarities between that Australian birth certificate and Obamas supposed Kenyan/Zanzibar(opps) one
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August 4, 2009 3:58pm
Cerium

“Patrick @3.40 – gee that worked! pfft – you could always go back to the Standard”

I didn’t expect it to work, RB hasn’t got the guts to be open and honest, he hides behind his bullshit.

What do you know about the Standard? I have never been there.
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August 4, 2009 4:05pm
Cerium

Ok Patrick, I thought you were referring to a different post. It was a mistake linking RB with the Phil stuff, it annoys him too.

So you are proud of filling what is supposed to be a debate with crap? You think that is a victory?
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August 4, 2009 4:14pm
big bruv

Philip Field verdict due at any moment.
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August 4, 2009 4:22pm
enough rope

Jeez Cerium, you sound like the type who gets his jollies from dissing the notion of Santa Claus in front of small children. If that North Korean birth certificate – or whatever this week’s nationality happens to be – isn’t dropped down Redbirther’s chimney pronto it’ll be your fault.
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August 4, 2009 4:44pm
Patrick Starr

“So you are proud of filling what is supposed to be a debate with crap”

nope – You’ve got that market well cornered, but I did find it funny you of all people trying to solicit a poll (given your bagging the current referendum)
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August 4, 2009 4:50pm
big bruv

YES!!!!

Field found guilty
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August 4, 2009 5:01pm
Bok

Let us hope it is the start of the “protected ones” getting the punishment they deserve.
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August 4, 2009 5:09pm
big bruv

Concrete proof that the Labour government was indeed corrupt
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August 4, 2009 5:11pm
philu

“..that docile fucker..”

who have you been talking to..?

..i..i was under a lot of stress…

..it’s .. it’s never happened before..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 4, 2009 5:11pm
Patrick Starr

From stuff
“He has been found guilty of 11 corruption charges and not guilty of one other corruption charge. The former MP was also convicted of 26 bribery and obstruction charges out of 35 put to him.”

each carries max 7 years

(poor old granny herald is still struggling to get a story together)
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August 4, 2009 5:13pm
Nomestradamus

Helen Clark on 14 September 2005 said: “I think the only thing he [Field] is probably guilty of is trying to be helpful to someone”.

Jury on 4 August 2009 find Field guilty of 11 corruption charges and convicted of 26 bribery and obstruction charges. In other words, Helen Clark was correct that Field was guilty of trying to help someone – himself.
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