General Debate 31 August 2009

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coventry

http://iforce.co.nz/i/lyh1l5hl.jpg

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August 31, 2009 9:45am
Cerium

Would you still snigger if you encouraged someone enough to try it?
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August 31, 2009 9:48am
TripeWryter

Not funny.
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August 31, 2009 9:55am
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August 31, 2009 9:55am
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August 31, 2009 10:01am
Rakaia George

I’d like nothing more than a political* assassination of Bradford.

*as opposed to a physical assassination, that is.

[DPF: I know what you are saying, but find another word]
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August 31, 2009 10:04am
TripeWryter

The radio tells me this morning that we are to send five teenage ‘climate change ambassadors’ on a junket to Copenhagen to ‘represent the views of New Zealand yoof’ at a United Nations Children’s Fund talkfest. How nice. Going by the sound-bites, they have been indoctrinated well. These children are now going to consult other indoctrinated children to get their views about climate change.

I’m sorry to sound so patronising and condescending. My teenage days are well past. But what do they REALLY know?
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August 31, 2009 10:09am
getstaffed

Poor old Comrad Bradford.

Does she think we’re stupid? Look, if some MP intruduced a bill directing that supermarket till receipts should use only blue ink there’s be some nutter out there who’s threaten to kill. So her attempt to depict 1.4m NZers as a bunch of would-be assassins is so desperate it’s laughable.

I notice she uses the Stuff story to introduce us to her warm, supportive family in this worrying time for her.
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August 31, 2009 10:11am
big bruv

Tripe

Why are you so surprised?, these five (is James Sleep one of them?) are just starting out on a long career of troughing, like all good little pinko’s they will see this as the first of many trips paid for by the tax payer.
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August 31, 2009 10:11am
MyNameIsJack

American school abandons education.

“I was disappointed with the image on the shirt.” Melby said. “I don’t think evolution should be associated with our school.”

http://www.sedaliademocrat.com/news/0px-18740-span-font.html

A more intelligent parent

Hoeffling said she enrolled her children in public school so they could have choices.

“If I wanted my children to be sheltered, I would have enrolled them in private school,” she said.
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August 31, 2009 10:21am
Ryan Sproull

FAMILY SUPPORT: Sue Bradford with supportive husband Bill

Wait, that’s Sue Bradford’s Bill that everyone’s so worked up about? He looks like a nice enough fellow.
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August 31, 2009 10:23am
nickb

http://www.cricinfo.com/slvnz2009/engine/current/match/403379.html

Again, a one-man effort.
Vettori truly is a champion of NZ cricket, and sport for that matter. Our best since Hadlee.

Put to one side all the prima donna rugby players, if you are looking for the best sportsman in NZ at the moment, it is unquestioanbly Dan Vettori in my opinion. Would fit into any team in the world without question, is head and shoulders above any other NZ cricketer, captains the team, and generally excels while his team mates crumble in the face of good opposition.

Halberg sportsman of the year? Vettori, unquestionably.
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August 31, 2009 10:25am
Jack5

More biased reporting in NZ Herald. This is from it’s report of Radio NZ’s financial woes:

“Radio NZ is facing another round of cost cuts after the Government ignored warnings of chronic underfunding and staff shortages…”

“The Government ignored warnings.” What ignorant, leftist claptrap.

As if it’s the Government’s fault these clowns can’t live within their budget. They seem to have a stack of lefty-liberals esconced with once-weekly sessions, eg Chris Laidlaw. They’re also investing in widening their presence on the Net, which costs.

Blaming the Government for not foreseeing Radio NZ was too bloody hapless and incompetent to live within its handouts is like blaming shareholders for a stock exchange company running short of cash, or blaming finance company investors for the collapse of the finance company.

Radio NZ should be put under the equivalent of a receiver to sort it out.

The story:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10594228

PS: Philu (9.56 post), my machine seems to have come right. Must have had the keyboard sitting the wrong way on my desk. You might try placing your keyboard at right angles in front of you with “QWERT” along the top. It seems to work.
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August 31, 2009 10:26am
dime

gee, i wouldnt have guessed that bradfords husband has long hair and a beard.

does he also have the standard issue leftist speech impediment?

interesting ploy to sympathy. how many “death threats” are received every year by MP’s?

why are the Greens hiding their new co-leader? is she in a room with the PR team learning how to not be an offensive communist?
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August 31, 2009 10:30am
virtualmark

nickb … I agree re Daniel Vettori, but I think there’s a lot more prima donnas in the Black Caps than in the All Blacks. The Black Caps consistently fail to show any ticker. I don’t mind if they lose. But I want to see the sort of dedication that a John Wright showed, not the flouncing I-saw-Ricky-Ponting-play-this-shot-and-I’m-sure-I-can-do-it-too carelessness that we keep getting.
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August 31, 2009 10:33am
Ryan Sproull

gee, i wouldnt have guessed that bradfords husband has long hair and a beard.

He probably listens to the rock music and chews the bubblegum.
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August 31, 2009 10:34am
Brian Smaller

I see that some primary school principals are going to fudge the testing results to make their schools look better and to sabotage their employer’s stated policy. Explain to me again how these people are “in it for the kids”. They should be sacked. If someone in private employment sabotaged their employer like that they would be out on their ear.
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August 31, 2009 10:34am
Chuck Bird

We should be looking at the real causes of child abuse instead of the nonsense about smacking.

Philip Hodson: Anger, not gratification, may drive some female offenders
4:00AM Monday Aug 31, 2009

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10594170
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August 31, 2009 10:38am
nickb

“nickb … I agree re Daniel Vettori, but I think there’s a lot more prima donnas in the Black Caps than in the All Blacks. The Black Caps consistently fail to show any ticker. I don’t mind if they lose. But I want to see the sort of dedication that a John Wright showed, not the flouncing I-saw-Ricky-Ponting-play-this-shot-and-I’m-sure-I-can-do-it-too carelessness that we keep getting.”

Haha agreed virtualmark, yea what I was meaning re “prima donnas” I guess is that in this day and age, the age of massive support teams, shrinks, mental coaches etc (in rugby and cricket) Daniel Vettori is the kind of guy that when the going gets tough, he hardens the fuck up and lets his performances do the talking.

Agree with you re the batting though, thats why I think people like Daniel Flynn show promise, perhaps Ryder and Taylor have the ability to play the way they do, but we need to find some openers that will bat time and not throw their wicket away- bring Mark Richardson out of retirement…
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August 31, 2009 10:38am
nickb

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/2816103/Threat-to-fudge-exam-results

Is there no end to this rubbish?

EDIT: beat me to it Brian
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August 31, 2009 10:39am
getstaffed

Brian / nickb – in all likelihood ERO’s investigative brief will be changed to identify inconsistencies. In my view (as a Board of Trustees chair) any principle fudging such results should be dismissed.
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August 31, 2009 10:41am
nickb

http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2009/08/kiwiblog-right-strikes-again.html

And again, the left resorts to generalisations and smears- one fringe nutter makes a death threat, and suddenly the whole of kiwiblog is a haven for planning the assassinations of MPs?!
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August 31, 2009 10:45am
Jack5

Re nickb’s 10.45 post…

Threats against politicians can’t be new. Why else would the PM etc have body guards. Overwhelmingly the threats will be from wackos and losers. The chances of an MP being murdered will be about the same as for members of the public — statistically extremely low, but rising.

The lefties trying to salvage the Bradford shipwreck with these particular threats are drama queens in all senses.
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August 31, 2009 10:53am
nickb

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10594308

How about that John-Boy! Your law is working a treat alright
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August 31, 2009 10:53am
nickb

Agree Jack.
Twisting a threat around like I/S has done for political gain/sympathy is a bit sad
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August 31, 2009 10:58am
Repton

I see that some primary school principals are going to fudge the testing results to make their schools look better and to sabotage their employer’s stated policy.

I’m sure that “fudging” will stay within the letter of the law (just). Things like “encouraging” poorly-performing students to drop the subject before it goes permanently on their record, or perhaps call in sick so they can get an aegrotat pass.

I think the guy they quoted was making the point that the government is threatening to create a system in which the optimal course of action for the school does not produce the best outcome for the students. And the school, being a rational self-interested agent, will do the best it can for itself while staying within the rules. ^O^

A good teacher will give their students a good education in the absence of any guidelines or standards. The problem is not all teachers are good, so the government tries to come up with ways to get adequate results out of bad teachers. Unfortunately you may end up with undesirable outcomes, and you may also drag the good teachers down..
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August 31, 2009 10:59am
Cerium

“How about that John-Boy! Your law is working a treat alright”

And changing it back or to the Boscawen amendment would make what difference to preventing this sort of incident?
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August 31, 2009 11:00am
nickb

Nothing Cerium, that is the point. Chaging from the old law to the Bradford law has made what difference to preventing this sort of incident?

I await your answer eagerly
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August 31, 2009 11:09am
Cerium

Probably no difference at all Nick, it was never addressing the worst type of cases, neither does the current version.
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August 31, 2009 11:24am
stephen

…but we need to find some openers that will bat time and not throw their wicket away- bring Mark Richardson out of retirement…

Dock each batsman $100 out of their match fees for each point they go over a strike rate of 35.
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August 31, 2009 11:29am
workingman

Union fears Fonterra move will hurt ports.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10594196

So the Maritime Union is upset that subsidies to Kiwirail will reduce business at some ports where it has members.

Not knowing the background fully, but would these subsidies have occurred before the purchase of KiwiRail from Toll? If not then I can imagine Michael Cullen will not be popular with those workers. Of course the workers where Fonteraa have moved their business to will I imagine be very thankful to Cullen.
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August 31, 2009 11:34am
nickb

“Dock each batsman $100 out of their match fees for each point they go over a strike rate of 35.”

Haha not a bad idea stephen.
Or dock their money for each time they get out in tests playing a 20/20 shot before they’ve got 25 runs.
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August 31, 2009 11:54am
wreck1080

I am going to stick up for Sue Bradford. She never intended her bill to prevent serious child abuse/murders.Sue Bradford has stated so in the media. So, Sue should not be attacked over the recent spate of child murders.

No, Sue Bradford is targeting the majority of law abiding New Zealanders who may lightly smack for disciplinary reasons.

Sue Bradford is like a virus. Virus’s invade the host cells, and then take over the cells dna machinery to churn out new copies of the virus.

Likewise Sue Bradford is invading family homes, and changing child rearing techniques so that children are more likely to grow up to do Sues bidding.

The banning of smacking will increase societal chaos in the future. Everyone knows this is a fact, and I have never seen anyone argue otherwise. Even the anti-smackers do not deny this.

Sue Bradford wishes to use the resulting anarchy as a way to force societal change more to her way of liking. It is a long term plan, maybe with a 40 year timeline.
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August 31, 2009 12:08pm
gazzmaniac

Dock each batsman $100 out of their match fees for each point they go over a strike rate of 35.

That’s a bit counter productive isn’t it? Yes, might encourage them to be more careful of their wicket, but I really don’t think that anyone minds when there is a superb quick-fire batting innings from one or two batsmen.

What about docking each top order batsman for each run short of 40, and middle order for each run short of 30? Might start actually making a total then. Also each bowler for runs per over greater than 4, with some sort of proviso if they take lots of wickets.

Regarding Sue Bradford – she is at the top of a fairly long list of idiots who have somehow become MPs who I would like to see gone. Crusher Collins is right behind her.
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August 31, 2009 12:33pm
stephen

That’s a bit counter productive isn’t it? Yes, might encourage them to be more careful of their wicket, but I really don’t think that anyone minds when there is a superb quick-fire batting innings from one or two batsmen.

I was being a bit tongue in cheek – though admittedly probably been watching too much of Rig himself on the crowd goes wild.
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August 31, 2009 1:29pm
Kris K

Rakaia George 10:04 am,

I’d like nothing more than a political* assassination of Bradford.
*as opposed to a physical assassination, that is.

[DPF: I know what you are saying, but find another word]

How about one of the following:
… a political cheap shot from a grassy knoll
… a political town square flogging
… a political vegetable throwing contest while in stocks
… a political labotomy
… a political personality insertion operation
… a political course in good grooming
… a political course in actually giving a damn
… a political course in how to win an electorate seat

Feel free to add as the mood takes you.
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August 31, 2009 2:09pm
MyNameIsJack

Victorian Water Minister, Tim Holding, gone missing while on an alpine hike.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/water-minister-tim-holding-missing-on-freezing-mountain-20090831-f488.html
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August 31, 2009 2:15pm
Kris K

And then of course there are these ones:

http://should-a.com/cw0an0
http://should-a.com/y9nd7j
http://should-a.com/kfxioy
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August 31, 2009 2:49pm
Hurf Durf

Well, aren’t we just the home of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy now? Thanks norightturn and Bwadford. I had no idea I was so important.
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August 31, 2009 3:03pm
philu

r u van helmond..?

hurf..?

if not..

w.t.f. r u banging on about..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 31, 2009 4:25pm
Jack5

Re Philu at 9.55 and 4.25…

Told you Philu that things would work okay once you got your keyboard round the right way.
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August 31, 2009 4:47pm
Hurf Durf

It’s called sarcasm, phil. I’m sorry if it confused you.
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August 31, 2009 5:12pm
Manolo

“It’s called sarcasm, phil. I’m sorry if it confused you.”

You cannot confuse the bludger any more. He lives in a permanent state of daze.
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August 31, 2009 5:22pm
philu

the ‘state of daze’..

that’s texas..?..isn’t it..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 31, 2009 5:30pm
philu

what name did van helmond post under here..?

which of the rabid knuckle-draggers is he..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 31, 2009 5:32pm
Kris K

MyNameIsJack 2:15 pm,

Victorian Water Minister, Tim Holding, gone missing while on an alpine hike.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/water-minister-tim-holding-missing-on-freezing-mountain-20090831-f488.html

From the article:

‘‘We might find ice, we might find some dry snow,’’ Mr Zgoznik said.

Of course they might also find a frozen Water Minister.

A police spokeswoman said Mr Holding was ”fairly well-prepared for being out on the mountain overnight with a couple of thermals, a Gortex jacket, tent and dehdryated camping food’’.

That’s handy – dehydrated food. I guess the Water Minister will have no trouble re-hydrating it.
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August 31, 2009 5:36pm
Repton

Sue Bradford wishes to use the resulting anarchy as a way to force societal change more to her way of liking. It is a long term plan, maybe with a 40 year timeline.

So, you’ve uncovered their secret plan!

1. Stop parents from smacking their children.
2. Wait for inevitable downfall of civilisation.
3. Forge socialist utopia out of the ruins.

With no trifling inconsequential smacks to keep their behaviour in check, young children will soon be running riot through every city in New Zealand. Then, in phase two of their master plan, elite agents from International Socialism will teach parents how to control their kids — through HYPNOSIS! Soon, every child — and then, over time, every adult — in the country will be programmed to respond to special code words known to the eeeeevil socialist overlords.

But the day is not yet lost! So stand tall, go home, and smack your children. Every blow you strike against a child is a blow for FREEDOM!
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August 31, 2009 6:22pm
Hurf Durf

Don’t be an idiot, Repton.
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August 31, 2009 6:51pm
stephen

Yeah Repton’s definitely the only idiot here.
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August 31, 2009 7:25pm
jcuknz

A quote from a link above seems relevant to the two recent cases of kidnapping which have come to light this year.
>>>Once the victim has been obtained, it could be that she copes by blaming them for tempting her man and takes out her revenge by colluding in their physical and mental torture. Becoming active in the torture also protects against the risk of a power shift, where the man ends up more interested in the victim than in his wife or partner.<<<
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August 31, 2009 7:55pm
Viking2

Mobile phone use banned for young drivers

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YOUNG drivers will be banned from any use of a mobile phone will driving under new laws coming into force in South Australia from Monday.

Acting Minister for Road Safety Paul Caica says Learner and P1 platers will not be able to use any of the hands-free technology that other drivers can still legally use while behind the wheel.

“From Monday, the only time a mobile phone can be used in a road vehicle being driven by a Learner or P1 licence holder is once they have pulled over and parked safely,” he said.

He said such bans were already in place in Victoria, Queensland and NSW.

“When you talk or text on a mobile phone, you can’t effectively concentrate on driving and your risk of being involved in a crash increases by up to four times,” Mr Caica said.

“The need to concentrate is particularly important for young, inexperienced drivers who are still developing their driving capabilities.”

Drivers caught breaking the new law will face a fine of $218 and three demerit points.
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