General Debate 30 August 2009

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Seán

Israel and Sweden row: Blog wars

Interesting to see how the free-speech advocates in right-wing blogosphere will respond to this. Seems pretty quiet actually. Funny that.
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August 30, 2009 6:35am
billyborker

Quite simple Sean. Israel can do no wrong. Everything Israel does is beyond reproach. Yeah right.

As Binyamin Netanyahu said to Carl Bildt: “Ve hav vays to make you stop”
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August 30, 2009 7:05am
Lee C

We have our own issues here in blogland: http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/2009/08/loneliness-of-long-distance-blogger.html
With thanks David Lee – MWT
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August 30, 2009 7:14am
expat

David,

Did you get the photo?
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August 30, 2009 7:30am
Grant Michael McKenna

So Otago get to make a second attempt for the Log o’ Wood, thanks to Canterbury.
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August 30, 2009 8:39am
Razork

The shield has come home!
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August 30, 2009 8:48am
andrei

Aha; it is the old Jewish Blood Libel Sean – recycled for 21st century use.
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August 30, 2009 9:08am
MikeNZ

When is it acceptable to state a blood libel against a people?

Sweden knowingly supports terrorists with humanitarian aid knowing that their monies assist the terrorists to use their monies for terrorist purposes because their income stream includes the Swede’s monies.

Therefore Sweden knowingly supports terrorism and anti semitism.
But where is the UN in this?
Doing the same and giving those terrorists a voice and vote in the UN and even committee posts.
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August 30, 2009 9:14am
Seán

Nice humour Andrei, don’t worry I won’t take it seriously unlike that Nixon post of yours….actually I did raise the Israel/Sweden issue on your own FNFFA but pretty quiet there too. Maybe I added it too late, I’m 10 hours behind afterall!
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August 30, 2009 9:19am
nickb

Dunno about you guys, but I’m a lifelong cricket fan of NZ, and is anyone else starting to get sick to fucking death of the Black Caps performances?
The only players that are consistently reliable IMO are Ryder, Taylor and Vettori (Vettori is the star of the team by a mile).

Oram, Mccullum-two most overrated players in the country. You can count on them to choke when the pressures on.
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August 30, 2009 9:39am
Cerium

Agree on the cricket, when I switch over for a quick look I am always checking either how many runs Sri Lanka have got or how many wickets we have lost. They both climb quite quickly. And yeah, when the going gets tough Oram and McCullum just don’t seem to step up. Are they interested?
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August 30, 2009 9:43am
nickb

Exactly Cerium. Maybe thats the problem, not as interested in tests as they are in millions from the IPL.
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August 30, 2009 9:51am
Cerium

Much the same in NPC rugby (probably Super 14 and internationals as well). Too many “professionals” and not enough passion for the team or for the game.
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August 30, 2009 9:54am
philu

heh..!

(someone tell red..!..here is a new anti-obama ’cause’ for him to peddle..)

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/new-afterbirthers-demand-obamas-placenta/

“..All we are asking is that the president produce a sample of his fetal membranes and vessels —

– preferably along with a photo of the crowning and delivery — and this will all be over,” said former presidential candidate and Afterbirthers spokesman Alan Keyes..

.. later adding that his organization would be willing to settle for a half-liter of maternal cord plasma …

Keyes said that if Obama did not soon produce at least a bloody bedsheet from his conception..

.. Afterbirthers would push forward with efforts to exhume the president’s deceased mother ..

.. and inspect the corpse’s pelvic bone and birth canal..”

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 30, 2009 10:08am
TimG_Oz

The Swedish press were pretty disgusting – publish an unchecked racist conspiracy theory as though it was fact.

What was worse was that the Swedish politicians refused to comment.

At the presentation I went to on Wednesday by Labour Minister for Media (and Digital Broadband), Stephen Conroy, he didn’t state what official policy would be, but that it would be seen as totally unacceptable by the Australian Labor Government.

However, I imagine the previous NZ Labour Government, and current opposition would have been pretty silent if such a thing occurred locally. We have already seen their reaction to the ‘hate fest’ that was the UN anto racism forum.

The difference between Australia’s Labor and NZ’s Labour is chalk and cheese. I get the feeling that there is a similarty to NZ cricket. If Marcus North was a NZer – he would be tossing the coin rather than Vettori. If Senator Conroy was NZ Labour, he would be the Leader of opposition.
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August 30, 2009 10:30am
philu

here is one for the prohibitionists..
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http://whoar.co.nz/2009/smoking-marijuana-does-not-cause-lung-cancer/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 30, 2009 10:42am
Seán

Well TimG_Oz thanks for the colourful input, however it doesn’t really address the free-speech issue. Nonetheless you have done well to link it to the irrelevant NZ Labour party. Pointless really.
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August 30, 2009 10:50am
kaya

Lee C – just read that entry http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/2009/08/loneliness-of-long-distance-blogger.html

Very well written. It is strangely quiet.
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August 30, 2009 10:50am
Viking2

http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/ … oon134.gif
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August 30, 2009 11:02am
TimG_Oz

Sean – In Law there is a thing called Libel. You can’t publish lies in the press, without exposing yourself to risk of being sued.

So what if the lie is racial vilification? Whether it’s against Jews, Muslims, Maori, Aborigine or whoever, the press have a responsibility to check their facts.

Everyday about 1000 new conspiracy theories will appear on the internet. Some on this blog! But people clearly hve a responsibility in the information that is published. And a national newspaper surely has more responsibility.

Lets be clear – this is not a “criticism” of Israel’s policies or action. It is a blatantly racist lie presented as fact.
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August 30, 2009 11:04am
big bruv

Yeah right Phool!
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August 30, 2009 11:08am
reid

“Lets be clear – this is … a blatantly racist lie presented as fact.”

Which is the standard Israeli response whenever something like this is floated. Whether the issue is about the actions of the IDF or the settlers or the Israeli govt, it’s always “a blatant racist lie presented as fact.” Another aspect to the standard response is that immediately something like this arises, all the Israeli supporters, from diplomats to politicians to journalists to bloggers, aggressively defend in unison, the allegations. Almost like it was a designed propaganda offensive.

In this particular case, I’d be surprised if something like this were true, notwithstanding the allegation is linked to those arrests in NY.

What surprises me however, is that it never seems to occur to the said Israeli supporters, that the best way to deal long-term with these issues, is to stop giving the world the impression that you are indeed, a bunch of blatant racist liars. That of course involves not words, but actions.

Your continual justification is that your actions are necessary because you’re surrounded on all sides by a seething cauldron of hatred. Has it never occurred to you that this was exactly the same justification used by South Africa to defend apartheid. Do you not see the parallels? Those who don’t learn from history, are condemned to repeat it. So far, you haven’t given the world any indication that you have observed, and you have learned.
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August 30, 2009 11:24am
big bruv

Ya gotta love Garth McVicar, he is not scared to say what should be said.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0908/S00377.htm

The added bonus is that he drives the pinko’s wild, how anybody could feel an ounce of pity for a kiddie fucker and cold blooded scum like George Baker is beyond belief.
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August 30, 2009 11:39am
TimG_Oz

So Reid – do you honestly believe Israel was harvesting organs? Why should there be double standards about what can be written in the Press about Israel, and what gets written about other countries.

Apparently (according to you) stories which tell lies about Israel don’t need to have their facts checked. And apparently because Israel defends the allegations they must be true (in your words).

we all know you believe a large number of the conspiracy theories … you repeat them here all the time.
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August 30, 2009 11:56am
reid

“So Reid – do you honestly believe Israel was harvesting organs?”

No, as I said above.

I was talking in terms of general principles. Read it again, you obviously didn’t get it the first time.

What are you trying to do – more dissembly?
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August 30, 2009 12:02pm
kaya

Excuse me for interrupting the Israel – Sweden thing, it is very interesting. I just want to pop in a couple of quotes so we don’t forget like we are expected to:

“The Labour Government has shown utter contempt for New Zealanders and the democratic process with its plan to railroad the anti-smacking bill through Parliament.
The Labour-led Government knows the measure is deeply unpopular, so it plans to act against the wishes of the majority of Kiwis and ram the bill through under urgency. This is a deeply cynical abuse of power as Labour tries to clear the decks of this controversial issue. Helen Clark has refused to let her MPs vote the way they really think on this bill. To ram it through under the cover of urgency shows just how out of touch her government has become….”

“I simply believe it is bad law for Parliament to pass a piece of legislation outlawing an activity absolutely, and then expect the Police not to prosecute minor breaches.”

“the way you send a message is to make the law clear and precise and then to police it strongly and vigilantly. My colleague, Whanganui MP Chester Borrows, has put forward an amendment to Sue Bradford’s Bill that would do this. In my view, this is the correct response, and the one Parliament should adopt.”

Not looking for debate, just quoting someone. Thanks.
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August 30, 2009 12:08pm
Patrick Starr

appears Bradford really knows how to keep her name in the headlines…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10594105
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August 30, 2009 12:24pm
Seán

TimG_Oz – in case you hadn’t noticed, the question I am raising is about free speech, not whether it is true or not (or even if it is “racist” or not as you keep on harping about). I mean, I doubt the prophet Mohammed ever had a bomb in is turban (therefore that comment could equally be termed as untrue and racist). What is of interest if of those so-called free speech sdvocates that so resoundly defended Jyllands-Posten and Southpark are actually going to condemn their ideological allies for the same behavior. So far, it seems not.
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August 30, 2009 12:51pm
TimG_Oz

Sean – OK – so does Free Speech allow libel? Does it allow you to publish lies? No, Of course not!

If someone is going to publish a criticism, then that is an opinion. That is different from publishing unverified facts as a “news” article. Surely you can see that…..
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August 30, 2009 1:00pm
MT_Tinman

I tend to agree with you BB re the negotiations although Baker has done NZ one favour.
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August 30, 2009 1:00pm
andrei

You are full of it Sean;
Where are the Jews burning Swedish flags, murdering Lutheran Pastors, burning Lutheran Churches over this. It was a very silly article which the vast majority of sensible people justifiably ignored and will continue to do so.
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August 30, 2009 1:01pm
Southern Raider

Sean there is a difference between a cartoon paroding support by a certain members of a religion that support blowing civilians up and a newspaper righting a story about organ harvesting.

This wasn’t an opinion piece it was a media story published in a mainstream paper that is likely to be believed by dumb arses like yourself.

Criticise Irsael as much as you like, hell even join the Reid bandwagon.

But don’t try and represent pure anti-semitism as fact and justify it as free speech. This is no different than Arab state television having childrens cartoons showing Jews eating children.
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August 30, 2009 1:06pm
kaya

Patrick Starr – conveniently helps in her cause of making anyone who voted “no” look like a violent psychopath. She and the police are deluded if they think a death threat against her should be taken seriously. Assassination is saved for important people, not raving fruitloops.
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August 30, 2009 1:21pm
Seán

andrei, Southern Rider – you can harp on about the aftermath as much as you like, but it doesn’t make any difference, we know you both hate Muslims. For all I know the Swedish paper’s accusation could be a load of bull, much like the silly Danish cartoons, but what I would like to see is your self-professed righteous arses take the same ideological approach as you did with the cartoons. Somehow I don’t see it. You can be either consistent, or a bigot. Your choice.
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August 30, 2009 1:25pm
Southern Raider

Sean who said we hate Muslims. So you can’t defend Jews without hating Muslims?

Also since you support “free speech” how about when the shoe is on the other foot?

“The publicly funded Multicultural Center’s (Werkstatt der Kulturen) decision to remove educational panels of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Muhammad Amin al-Husseini, who was an ally of Adolf Hitler, from a planned exhibit, sparked outrage on Thursday among a district mayor, the curator of the exhibit, and the Berlin Jewish community. ”

This was pulled in case it caused offence to European Muslims
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August 30, 2009 1:28pm
Shunda barunda

“As Binyamin Netanyahu said to Carl Bildt: “Ve hav vays to make you stop””

He also said that people that place their ideology ahead of their survival are the most dangerous on the planet, ie radical Islam and the extreme left.

Sensible chap.
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August 30, 2009 1:34pm
Seán

Southern Raider – be honest with yourself, at least!!

Actually I am no fan of absolute free speech. There must be reasosable boundaries. My original point was to call out the hypocrites who will defend free speech when against Muslims but keep silent when it comes to Israel complaining of similiar unfair Scandanavian criticisim/alleged falsehoods.

Funny how consistency so often disappears when it comes to politics.
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August 30, 2009 1:38pm
Seán

Shunda barunda – did Binyamin Netanyahu actually refer to “radical Islam and the extreme left” as those people that place their ideology ahead of their survival? Can you please provide a link to the actual quote? I’d be interested to know which groups he was refering to exactly.
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August 30, 2009 1:45pm
Patrick Starr

kaya – there again it could be one of the co-leaders getting pissed off at the headline grabbing
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August 30, 2009 1:59pm
Southern Raider

Sean you obviously struggle with the basics of truth.

– do some Muslims blow up civilans?
– does the IDF harvest Palestinians for organs?

One of these is a proven truth but the left wing media doesn’t like to discuss it. The other is at best an unproven suggestion at worst a link to a blood libel that has caused the deaths of thousands of Jews, but the left wing media is happy to publish it as the truth and incite race hate.
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August 30, 2009 2:04pm
3-coil

Fulltime (hopefully) scoreboard: Southern Raider 1, Sean 0
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August 30, 2009 2:18pm
Grizz

Dad4justice, have you been making death threats against Sue?
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August 30, 2009 2:40pm
nickb

Haha my first thought when I read the article Grizz
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August 30, 2009 2:52pm
TripeWryter

I’ve quickly read the story about the alleged death threats against Sue Bradford.
It saddens me for several reasons.
I don’t agree with her politics. I don’t think she’s honest; I have good reason to believe that she is a manipulator (policemen have told me that in the old Sue-at-the-barricade-days she cynically used to cry out about being hurt when she knew the cameras were on her, and she wasn’t).
But back to the Sunday Spews story: I hold it very precious that in this country we can have political debate and disagreement without anyone’s life being threatened. It is precious to me that our politicians, no matter who they are or what party they belong to, can walk the streets, go into restaurants, churches, bookshops without fear to their lives or wellbeing. Friends I have overseas have difficulty believing that our politicians are not shadowed by regiments of armed guards wherever they go; or that our Governor-General can wait in a queue at a cafe in the South Island, like an yone else.
We don’t kill our political enemies here.
And more than that: killing or harming Sue Bradford would turn her into a martyr.
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August 30, 2009 3:26pm
andrei

Every public figure gets nutters making threats against them TripeWryter, it goes with the territory.

This story reaching the tabloids is just Ms Bradford keeping herself and her cause in the limelight, using the techniques of agitation so well articulated by Saul Alinsky.
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August 30, 2009 3:58pm
hj

Sue bradford looks forward
http://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/studies-prove-need-repeal-sect ion-59

to this:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10404809
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August 30, 2009 4:13pm
big bruv

Somebody needs to check the authenticity of these death threats against Comrade Bradford, I would not put it past the maggot to make them up in an attempt to gain the sympathy vote for her anti smacking bill.

While it is true that I will raise a glass in celebration the day she does fall off her perch I simply cannot see anybody going to the effort of knocking her off, she is just not worth the effort.

Our media would do well to remember the golden rules when dealing with the Greens, trust nothing they say and nothing they do, question everything they say and everything they do for they are without doubt the most dishonest bunch of bastards to ever take their place in our Parliament.
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August 30, 2009 4:35pm
Shunda barunda

“Shunda barunda – did Binyamin Netanyahu actually refer to “radical Islam and the extreme left” ”

He was being accused by some twerp on BBC of starting a new arms race, the cold war was brought up, to which Netanyahu responded “the Soviets never placed their ideology ahead of their survival” that radical Islam was a different enemy and needed different tactics.
The extreme left, which I would include SOME of the greens and Labour are exactly the same, they see their ideology as absolute truth and everybody else as absolutely wrong. They would tax until there was not a bean left and they would “engineer” society until it fell to bits in a screaming heap, which of coarse would be all our fault for not submitting to the “way”.
You would have more luck convincing a radical Muslim they were wrong than a radical left winger.
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August 30, 2009 5:34pm
racer1

So how many kiwibloggers have made death threats against Bradford? I know for sure 1 has, what about the rest of you?
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August 30, 2009 6:48pm
Shunda barunda

Bradford is a cry baby, and TV3 are clearly on her Christmas card list.
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August 30, 2009 6:57pm
Patrick Starr

Appears the Greens super sleuth is on to it, and attempting to crack the case with a clever line of questioning @6.48……..

racer – do you consider yourself a kiwiblogger?
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August 30, 2009 7:10pm
Southern Raider

The twitter post didn’t even seem like a death threat to me. Media has blown in out of proportion and Bradford is lapping it up.

By the way what is worse. 7 seperate Auckland councils or Len Brown as Super City major?

Also if you were Len Brown why would you want to have the one of the worst Auckland majors ever (Big Dick) publically supporting you?
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August 30, 2009 7:14pm
Hurf Durf

Oasis split up, Kennnedy’s buried and Bwadford’s in (unjustified) fear of her life. It’s been a good week so far.
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August 30, 2009 8:07pm
kaya

hj @ 4.13 – looks like your link to the Greens page is broken or taken down? What was it about?

Southern Raider – apparently the “twit” (is that the correct name for someone who uses Twitter??) has been “outed” here:

http://tinyurl.com/6chrlb

Here are some of the main points they use.

“On Twitter, someone recently wrote this

@suebr is STILL a good candidate for NZ’s first political assassination. (watch sue run to the Police because of a death threat, stupid cow).”

(Is that really a death threat?)

“The person who wrote this goes under the name Kiwi1960. I thought that sounded familiar. A person underthe name of Kiwi1960 has said stuff like this before.”

(“Stuff like this before” sounds scientific…….)

“I blogged about Kiwi 1960 and his mates some time ago after Helen Clark got a brick chucked through her electorate office window.”

(Is he saying that Kiwi1960 threw the brick?)

“Kiwi1960 is Henk van Helmond, and on this site he called Sue Bradford a communist.”

(I thought she was a Marxist.)

“Sue Bradford, you have my Email address, please provide me proof of these death threats, because even if you said the world was round, I’d still think it was a lie because of the mouth it came out of.”

(Fair point.)

“Nasty piece of work, isn’t he?”

(Pretty average I thought.)

Nice beat up (scuse the pun) by Bradford, now most of the Standard is all over it claiming the right are all violent thugs and the left are all tree hugging, Woodstock progeny. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t for the fact that some people will read the shite version in the Sunday News. MSM, gotta love ’em.
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August 30, 2009 8:17pm
Hurf Durf

Being called a nasty piece of work by Supreme Whore Commissar Bwadford sounds like an honour.
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August 30, 2009 8:19pm
nickb

Come on Vettori, get that century! Go boy!
Note my earlier statement about Oram, Mccullum being overrated? Oram got out when the pressue was on again… And Mccullum…errr
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August 30, 2009 8:21pm
kaya

Patrick Starr – I thought it could be Colonel Mustard in the library with the candlestick? (Can she read?)
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August 30, 2009 8:26pm
Seán

Southern Raider – that is beside the point. The taking of organs may well be speculative, or it may be true. Mohammad may well have used a bomb in his time, or maybe he didn’t. Maybe blogs even in NZ spin a load of nonsense sometimes, or maybe they tell the truth all the time. The point I asked is about free-speech, but I told you this already.
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August 30, 2009 8:29pm
Southern Raider

Okay Sean by your standard of free speech get the the Herald to run a front page article on “Sue Bradford admits satanic rituals with Joseph Stalin and likes to eat little biys.

Should be no issue with that as it “may well be speculative, or it may be true”
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August 30, 2009 8:35pm
nickb

Yes he got there!
Pity its a team of 1 against 11 for fucks sake.
Hope O’Brien and Martin can stay with him for a bit, show some guts and get respectably close
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August 30, 2009 8:49pm
Redbaiter

You guys want to see some hate and bigotry?

http://www.thestandard.org.nz/stopping-the-thugs/#comments

Check the comments on this thread.
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August 30, 2009 8:55pm
Hurf Durf

I’d rather not give the Stranded traffic tbh. But I suppose if it’s their usual MO, it’ll be like every Michael Moore film in history – you know what the ending will be before you see it.
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August 30, 2009 9:02pm
Redbaiter

“I’d rather not give the Stranded traffic tbh”

I appreciate that point. Some of those commenters make one feel as if you’re swimmimg in sewage.

Generally the site owners give me a fair go.

However, they’re sticking it to Kiwiblog.

It drives them nuts that we post on unapproved ideas here and they can’t stop us.
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August 30, 2009 9:09pm
reid

Southern Raider says:

Sean you obviously struggle with the basics of truth.

– do some Muslims blow up civilans?
– does the IDF harvest Palestinians for organs?

One of these is a proven truth but the left wing media doesn’t like to discuss it. The other is at best an unproven suggestion at worst a link to a blood libel that has caused the deaths of thousands of Jews, but the left wing media is happy to publish it as the truth and incite race hate.

SR, perhaps the question might have been:
– do some Muslims (terrorists) blow up civilians? (A = Yes)
– do some Israelis (IDF soldiers) blow up civilians? (A = Yes)

I’d suggest both activities might somehow, for some reason, “incite racial hatred” in a reaction on behalf of those blown up.

Perhaps both sides who are doing it might give some thought to its effects.

Even if one imagines one side or the other’s actions are “justified” in the name of state security. But they are civilians after all, in BOTH cases, aren’t they.
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August 30, 2009 9:11pm
nickb

Talk about the Double Standard.
Free speech is fine, so long as its about the virtues of socialism.

Talk about paradoxical, the Greens pretend to stand up for civil liberties on issues like the Zaoui case, yet they vote for the EFB?!?! What a joke, what a bunch of authoritarian nanny statists

EDIT: Why the fuck would Iain O’Brien walk in such a high stakes situation? Fucking hell
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August 30, 2009 9:21pm
philu

gee red..they handed you your arse on a platter..eh..?

and who is henk van helmond..?

and what name did he post here under..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 30, 2009 9:43pm
philu

and red..u said this there..

“..Given this proclivity for deceit, my own guess is that it would be leftists initiating the death threats against Bradford as a means to discredit the right.

As they do on Kiwiblog where they deliberately attempt to create discord.

Again it would not surprise me to learn that some of those who pose as rightists are in fact leftists doing what they can to discredit Kiwiblog..”

ok red…so which of the knuckle-dragging/slack-jawed rightie dribblers/frothers that post here..

..do you think are just ‘pretending’..?

..and are actually lefties posing as righties..to discredit the right..?

(um..!..have you ever read much about paranoia..?…

you would seem to be exhibiting symptoms..

..eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 30, 2009 9:50pm
big bruv

Phool

Are you sure you followed the correct link?

Red has hardly has his arse handed to him on a “platter”, as usual the pinko wankers cannot debate the issue with him and resort to abuse.

BTW, how come you do not post over there?, I would imagine your bludging and lazy lifestyle would make you some sort of hero on the EPMU and Labour party funded website.
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August 30, 2009 10:10pm
big bruv

Look who has turned up at Whale’s new site…

http://bryanspondre.gotcha.co.nz/2009/08/30/why-i-hate-pinkos/

Can’t help thinking that is a mistake.
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August 30, 2009 10:12pm
big bruv

Another week, another shooting…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2815728/Man-killed-child-shot-near-Napier

Lets hope the police don’t waste to much of their time and my money negotiating with the gunman, just shoot the low life between the eyes and be done with it.
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August 30, 2009 10:18pm
Redbaiter

Thanks for the support Bruv.

Its only Phil’s narcissism that fools him into thinking his opinions are worth expressing here.

Agree too with your comments on Whale. I was just about to add the new site to my favourites and saw Spondre’s post.

Forget it man. Who needs any more worthless deranged crap from that addle brained POS?
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August 30, 2009 10:31pm
hj

Two new long-term studies that show many children have been subjected to violent physical punishment clearly illustrate the need for the repeal of Section 59 of the Crimes Act, the Green Party says.

“These studies, part of the Dunedin Multidisciplinary Health and Development Study, show that some parents are not deterred from beating their children so badly it results in long-lasting physical injury and emotional trauma, Green MP Sue Bradford says.
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“I look forward to seeing the results of the next stage of the study, which examines the long term effects of physical punishment on children.

“These two investigations will be very useful in informing the work of the Select Committee,” she says.

http://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/studies-prove-need-repeal-section-59

No more on that from Sue:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10404809
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August 31, 2009 7:42am
philu

i guess arse-plattering must be in the eye of the beholder..

and spondre..?

ew..!

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August 31, 2009 7:52am
philu

and c’mon red..!

you made the accusation..

that some of the more deranged ‘rightie-posters’ here..

..are actually lefties..posing as righties..

..as a cunning-plan to besmirch the good name of the rightwing..

so..who d’ya reckon..?

manolo..(a.k.a..man-so-low–?..)

starbored..?

they’d have to be on yr suspect-list..eh..?

so..!

..who..?

(alternate question:..it isn’t just all in yr own mind/head/paranoias..?..is it..?

bears thinking about..?

..eh..?..)

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August 31, 2009 7:59am
philu

i see the progressives have land-slid all over the conservatives in japan..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/japanese-government-crushed-in-election-routending-50-years-of-conservative-rule/

that’s gotta be good news..!

..eh..?

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August 31, 2009 8:22am
hj

Japanese are surprised that people get money for having babies here.

I don’t think they would want to loose their relatively crime free society in exchange for greater civil liberties either.
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August 31, 2009 9:08am
hj

Sorry that should have been:

Japanese are surprised that

people get money for ..

having babies here

I don’t think they would want to loose their

relatively crime free society

in exchange for

greater civil liberties

[spit, spit, ….clamour]]

Eh!
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