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Redbaiter

The soft weak treacherous Progressive core of the National Party-

Here, from a Herald article, are the names of the Nats who lack the spine to make a decision on the Smacking Referendum, and by their refusal to vote, give credibility to Sue Bradford and her legislation.

David Bennett, Jackie Blue (l), Chester Borrows, David Carter (l), Judith Collins, Chris Finlayson (l), Tim Groser (l), Nathan Guy, Tau Henare (l), Steven Joyce (l), Nikki Kaye, John Key, Todd McClay, Tony Ryall, Katrina Shanks (l), Nick Smith, Anne Tolley, Chris Tremain, Louise Upston, Michael Woodhouse (l).

(Look how many are list)

Ever wonder why the Nats are such an ineffective barrier to the Progressives, and why no matter what party is in power, this country just continues to slowly sink into the swamp of leftism??

There’s your answer. A whole damn bunch of Nats with no damn guts and no damn commitment and no damn idea. A whole damn bunch who think that they’re doing their job by pandering to the elitist mainstream media. Twenty one jelly backed ditherers who prefer to seek the favour of the predominantly left wing journalists and editors of the fourth estate to acting upon the wishes of the real NZers in their electorates.

It should be the intent of the growing number of voters NZer who view the Nats as a let down to ensure that none of these shilly shallying electorally cross dressing wimps ever receives any support at the next election.

The Progressives have campaigned hard against the referendum, and a large part of this campaign has been the utterly daft allegation that the question is “confusing”. The question is not confusing of course. (Two Nats are voting NO) This is merely the strategy the left have chosen to attack the referendum.

It is a sad reflection upon the political acumen of the National Party members above that they are apparently too politically naive to see the “confusing” propaganda for the weak artifice it really is.

NZ is in a political fight to the death, and fast approaching the bottomless chasm of socialist totalitarianism. The smacking referendum is one chance to say “NO” to the power obsessed elitists who would rule us, and who would bit by bit by bit take every choice from us including any choices relating to child rearing.

Most of all, the left love to drive a wedge between children and their parents, and force government into the gap opened by that wedge. The left want your children. Sue Bradford has never had any good intent and never will have.

For such a large contingent of Nats to support Bradford by refusing to vote in the referendum is a clear demonstration of why the party is so directionless and why, in the end. neither the Nats or Labour offers a solution to so many NZers.

There is only one practical solution to the restoration of NZ, and it to get these spineless Progressives out of the National Party. Remember the names above, and do what you can to make sure they’re not around after the next election.
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August 2, 2009 9:22am
nickb

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10588140

Surprise surprise, more nanny statism.
If you don’t like the charges, choose another bank.

And as for break fees, did the bank put a gun to your head to GIVE YOU MONEY TO BY A HOUSE???!!
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August 2, 2009 9:23am
Glutaemus Maximus

For the AGW crazy people.

There is no Warming. The ‘Barbecue Summer’ in the UK never happened. We didn’t need to paint our houses white, or install ceiling fans.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5955955/Weather-records-are-a-state-secret.html

This is devious and manipulative control by Socialist Intellectuals. Turbo-charged by crooked scientists hungry for extra funding.

Oh and bigger and better pensions. It all comes back to Pensions. UK is the biggest official PONZI scheme in the World.

Within 5 years it will be bankrupt. Well is the rate of spending on the Public Sector continues.
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August 2, 2009 9:26am
nickb

Hey Glut, got an interesting article on this topic I got emailed from a friend in the US:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/01/us/01alabama.html?_r=1&emc=eta1

My uncle lives in Jacksonville which is around there I think. Sounds pretty serious.
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August 2, 2009 9:36am
Glutaemus Maximus

Case proof of the problem with the UK, and why Governments need AGW to cover the shortfall in Pension Provisions.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203508/Bad-news-Brown-IMF-says-Britains-debt-crisis-worst-major-economies.html

There is no CO2 issue, only a tax revenue issue. Guilt Tax, that is all it is. Co2 is not pollution. Neither is O.

It is all a load of BS, concocted by the UN to give them and their funders a role, and power.
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August 2, 2009 9:37am
Inventory2

It’s Time for a Change of All Black coaches. Sure, Henry and Co have already been reappointed through to 2011, but there is a performance clause in their contracts which the NZRU could invoke if Steve Tew had the ‘nads. The performance at Durban overnight was, in my humble opinion, the worst of the Henry era – even worse than the RWC quarter-final at Cardiff.

Come and join the Facebook group, and send a message to the NZRU that enough is enough!

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=94348447172
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August 2, 2009 9:37am
Patrick Starr

geez those bloody all blacks were worse last night than a week ago. basic passing and catching skills desert them -WTf’s going on?
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August 2, 2009 9:38am
big bruv

Good post Red, I am going to make it my mission to inform the people of the Taupo electorate that the MP they voted into the house is a traitor, I am going to make sure that as many as possible know that she campaigned on the smacking issue and was more than happy to denounce “nanny state” when knocking on doors.

I know this because I personally knocked on hundreds of doors with her.

I will be doing my best to ensure that she is a one term MP.
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August 2, 2009 9:42am
whalehunter

peter russell the next ab coach! im calling it now.
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August 2, 2009 9:47am
brett68

I notice no ones discussing the elephant in the room
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August 2, 2009 9:52am
thedavincimode

Mr ‘baiter

Perhaps you are being a bit tough on Nick Smith. He shows all the signs of having been hit as child – on the head. Rather too frequently in fact.
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August 2, 2009 9:53am
whalehunter

add paula bennett to that list red. said she would not vot on Q&A this morning.

sad…
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August 2, 2009 9:53am
ernesto

When you earn $300K per year in a taxpayer funded job, is a $1000 per week accommodation supplement a ‘nice to have’ or ‘need to have’ policy?

Get rid of this moat cleaning hypocrite and his mealy-mouthed calls for restraint.
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August 2, 2009 9:55am
Redbaiter

“I will be doing my best to ensure that she is a one term MP.”

IMHO, its better to have the real enemy in power than these weak arsed compromisers. Nothing worse than treachery.
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August 2, 2009 9:55am
nickb

Just a dumb question,

So they got the signatures for the referendum, because its gone through the formal process does this make it binding?
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August 2, 2009 9:56am
Jack5

If you’re going to a mall or dairy this morning don’t waste you coins on a Sunday Times.

Unless that is you are collecting evidence that New Zealand newspapers have been shunted to the left by Fairfucked Media NZ.

The newspaper accuses NZ of war crimes because the SAS handed over prisoners to the US in Afghanistan, and the source comes from a tiny stirring group in the US. The real crime is the prominence and seriousness with which the Sunday Times handles this rubbish.

It will be suggesting next that Apiata’s VC be collected.

Or perhaps that American committed war crimes in World War 2 by handing over Japanese prisoners to NZ for safekeeping, where many of them were massacred in a notorious POW camp incident.

The MSM’s problems are far wider than internet competition. The problems also relate to journalism increasingly dominated by a world view well to the left of that of most of their markets.
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August 2, 2009 9:59am
Redbaiter

“Add Paula Bennett to that list (sad…)”

It is sad too. Paula Bennet has suffered a terrible bashing from Labour’s media friends and probably feels in need of some respite. Nevertheless, she should stand strong.

When the hell are the Nats going to start kicking back against the “liberal” media?? They need to actively promote the truth that the media are Labour’s lackies. This is a strategy that will give credibility to the Nats and win them the support of the many NZers who are utterly disgusted with the media’s partisanship.
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August 2, 2009 10:02am
Viking2

Party without principle. Always has been and always will be. Party for the Catholics. Worse than outright socialists. At least they are clear about their motives. Key has to grow the tax take to continue to pay the trougher’s. 30% tax is as was always on the never never.
No point in going to Aussie because its worse there.
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August 2, 2009 10:03am
whalehunter

fox news in nz?
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August 2, 2009 10:03am
philu

well well..!

go figure..!..

.eh..?

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/bombshell-bin-laden-worked-for-us-till-911/

who’d have thought..?

..and the taliban..!..too..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 2, 2009 10:13am
nickb

Wonder who paid for the lovely Labour Party and Phil Goff pamphlets that just arrived in my letterbox?
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August 2, 2009 10:15am
philu

and jack is upset ‘cos the sunday rag alleges war-crimes by nz soldiers in afghanistan..?

(here are the relevant facts..)

“..International legal experts say New Zealand broke the Geneva Convention and laws against torture..

.. when, from 2002, our elite SAS troops transferred 50-70 prisoners to the Americans at the Kandahar detention centre in southern Afghanistan.

The centre was known by US soldiers as “Camp Slappy”..

.. and prisoners there have described being severely beaten and tortured, drenched with water ..

.. and left to freeze outside in winter.

The Geneva Convention and the UN Convention against Torture prohibit signatories such as New Zealand from torturing, humiliating or degrading prisoners..

.. and from transferring them to countries that do so.

Investigations are under way in the US and other countries into Geneva Convention abuses in Afghanistan at the time New Zealanders were transferring prisoners there.

There is no evidence that the SAS was directly involved in torture..

.. but New Zealand stands accused of creating “ghost detainees” ..

.. by handing prisoners to the Americans without recording their names.

SAS sources said that while height, eye colour and place of detention were recorded..

.. the prisoner’s name and date of birth were not..”

‘kay..?’

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 2, 2009 10:17am
joe90

The newspaper accuses NZ of war crimes because the SAS handed over prisoners to the US in Afghanistan,

And in 2007 there were reports of an SAS ‘rebellion’ in Afghanistan over the handing over of prisoners to the US forces.
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August 2, 2009 10:17am
TripeWryter

Oh, dear, so there is a ‘row’. Who is ‘rowing’?

I guess I would be upset about this if only the Talebani didn’t shoot schoolgirls on their way to school, didn’t kill women, didn’t … didn’t … you know engage in terrorist activity against their own people (or peoples).
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August 2, 2009 10:21am
Kapital

24 hs since news of the English rort and still no spin
Is this a record ?
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August 2, 2009 10:24am
3-coil

The referendum question IS confusing…for the easily confused.
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August 2, 2009 10:24am
hj

Was Bill English’s $1000/week accommodation allowance revelation (by the Green Party) timed to sabotage the revelation that people on the DPB are ahead of the lower paid workforce?
I was interested to see how well that group (Green Party and assorted people on the left) was able to spin the issue (invasion of privacy, “beneficiary bashing”) and the amount of sympathy they had in the media. If people aren’t allowed to know individual cases there is doubt (or effectively a smokescreen). The ordinary old person who slogs it out on a lower wage doesn’t seem as sexy as a beneficiary (or is it that they don’t do “aggregation” calls, organise, protest)?
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August 2, 2009 10:28am
whalehunter

a minority group getting a main slot on the news…
good balance there, considering the way most of the country actually thinks.
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August 2, 2009 10:36am
Rakaia George

The English thing was released by the Greens was it? Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t their MP’s collect the maximum allowance to stay in properties already owned my the party? Is there really a difference other than the fact that Bill has brought his family with him? His job comes with a taxpayer provided flat he’s not using doesn’t it?
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August 2, 2009 10:46am
bharmer

# Inventory2 (3351) Vote: Add rating 2 Subtract rating 3 Says:
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:37 am

“It’s Time for a Change of All Black coaches. Sure, Henry and Co have already been reappointed through to 2011, but there is a performance clause in their contracts which the NZRU could invoke if Steve Tew had the ‘nads. The performance at Durban overnight was, in my humble opinion, the worst of the Henry era – even worse than the RWC quarter-final at Cardiff.

Come and join the Facebook group, and send a message to the NZRU that enough is enough!”

There is a sad and serious flaw in the New Zealand psyche – a punitive streak that requires someone to be punished when things don’t go right every time. Being held accountable is somehow translated into “if you lose, you get punished, preferably fired”

Who in recent times has a better ratio of wins to losses than Henry. And if (as they inevitably will), the team loses now and then, why do we want to fire the guy who wasn’t even on the field? What about the people who can’t hold onto the ball? What about the people who incur the penalties?

Get over yourselves guys.
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August 2, 2009 10:47am
Kapital

I think whoever decided to release the parliamentary spending list
a week b4 the NP conference is getting a good talking to

So Billie boy gets 1000 dollars a week of taxpayers money to live with his wife in his own home
I bet the neighbours can her the snuffling
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August 2, 2009 10:47am
philu

so..hj..i take it you are quite relaxed about english ‘re-arrnging the name on a title’..

..of a house in wellington he has owned since 2003..

..and this just to ‘qualify’ for his ‘entitlement’..

..of an extra grand a week..?

..on top of the quarter-million + he already sucks out of the taxpayer-pond..?

..this is all a ok..!..with you..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 2, 2009 10:50am
Kapital

The English thing was released by the Greens was it? Er NO
Alll the Greens did was release details of thier parliamentary spending voluntarily earlier on in the year
This was followed by ACT
And then the GOV has little choice
The fact that English changed the ownership of his house to his wife so he could then claim 1000 per week from the taxpayer
was after some research by a journalist using the information released earlier on in the week I think it was the Dom post
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August 2, 2009 10:53am
philu

but roger ‘restraint’ douglas gets the title of biggest trougher..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/matt-mccarten-the-biggest-bludgers-are-in-our-parliamentand-the-biggest-bludger-of-allstand-upfailed-pig-concentration-camp-owner-roger-douglas/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 2, 2009 10:53am
thedavincimode

ernesto, your myopic focus on troughing per se misses the point.

You appear unable to grasp the fundamental principle that these people historically (and supposedly) all represented electorates and were punished by being sent to live in Wellington during the week. Mummy or Daddy stayed at home with the kids and in the weekends, the peoples’ representative returned home to pat their heads and beaver away in the electorate office on Saturday morning. Judith Lizard changed all that. In contrast, Alamein Kopu endeavoured to show a lead by simply not going to parliament at all and thereby saving the big bucks.

One issue is whether the historic model is still relevant for list MP’s if they don’t have electorate work, and what the allowance should be in absolute terms, not relative to salary. If they aren’t worth the $300k salary, then that’s an entirely different matter and has nothing to do with working away from home.

There was a tradition of MPs gether as a cost saving measure. I don’t know what happened to that and whether they still do and how that would work for the Green Gargoyle. But they ought to be reimbursed to a reasonable level, but not in excess of what they spend. You might find that the higher earners choose to upgrade accomodation and fund the excess out of their own pockets – just like the real world.

Being required to work away from home jusitifies an allowance. If you are away in the course of employment, for example visiting an overseas university to harangue a mottley collection of spotty-faced and embittered wannabe lesbians regarding the war of envy, or the finer points of carving false teeth from sustainable hard wood, then you would make that trip at no personal cost to yourself other than the long term impact of the enormous emotional input to your visit. That means that you would not have to clean your hotel accomodation, take out the rubbish or cook your meals. In that context, $900 a week might not be too far over the top. Sales reps get their accomodation and food paid for. Air Crappo Downmarket flight attendants by all accounts don’t, but generally costs of working away from home are reimbursed and often with a cost cap.

In the real world, people would simply be transferred to Wellington and would move homes. The position of MPs is a bit different; even for list MPs. That “employment” is somewhat more tenuous and despite our cynicism, there is still merit in a connection with a local community.

However, the water gets rather murkier when an MP changes the model and does in fact uproot and shift to Wellington.

English is unbelievably stupid for at least one reason in this regard, and possibly two. That first, he should leave himself open to the accusation that he’s using taxpayers to subsidise his purchase of a Wellington home (which would certainly seem to be the case). But being a career politician who has never done anything else, that’s hardly surpising. And second, if he has in fact effectively relocated to Wellington, then he shouldn’t be reimbursed for living there. He should instead be reimbursed for going back to Dipton to fly the flag if that is indeed what he does.

So all the beat up artists are right in one respect; this does need to be looked at. The process and the rules need to be transparent and MPs need to understand that not only do they need to be doing the right thing; but they need to be SEEn to be doing the right thing and if there is any prospect that dirty work at the cross-roads might be perceived, then regardless of how innocent the circumstances, they shouldn’t do it.

On that basis, English simply has no justification for this and responding that “its within the rules” isn’t an acceptable answer. It simply means that the rules need to be changed.
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August 2, 2009 10:53am
philu

and an ex-(rightwing/reactionary) mp has admitted the troughing goes on..

..and tells how it went down in his day..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/how-mps-rort-a-nationex-mp-speaks/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 2, 2009 10:56am
big bruv

How much do you get Phool?
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August 2, 2009 10:56am
andrei

The ruling elite feeding at the trough at the expense of the hoi poli – well I never
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August 2, 2009 10:59am
Cerium

“NZ is in a political fight to the death, and fast approaching the bottomless chasm of socialist totalitarianism. “

Just a tad overdramatic? There is a reason why we have centrist governments. Most of the population tend to be closer to the centre than to the fringes.

What would NZ be like if your choice of MPs were running things Red? You seem to want total rule based on your extreme ideas. Very dangerous. Fortunately unless you manage to initiate one of the armed uprisings you sometimes suggest it is not going to happen.
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August 2, 2009 11:00am
Cerium

“For such a large contingent of Nats to support Bradford by refusing to vote in the referendum”

This is a referendum of many issues. Saying that all the Nats not voting are doing it for one reason is just trying to rant your case – they are free to decide for their own reasons, they likely couldn’t give a toss about your crusade.
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August 2, 2009 11:05am
hubris

Do you think the SIS follow Red around?

I hope so.
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August 2, 2009 11:12am
Cerium

I doubt he has the guts to actually do anything apart from trying to stir people up online. That he manages to attract a few is the biggest worry. Some other nutter may actually try to act on what Red has fed him.
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August 2, 2009 11:20am
Manolo

English is not only stupid for claiming that “entitlement”, he is also a bludger.

If a Minister of the Crown preaches one thing and does the opposite, he deserves to be exposed for the fraud he is.
This time was the turn of a National Party politician, but you can change the name of the party without risk (e.g., NZF, Labour, ACT, etc.)

That’s why our politicians are considered amongst the lowest forms of life.
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August 2, 2009 11:21am
ernesto

“ernesto, your myopic focus on troughing per se misses the point.”

I don’t think it does actually. My point is that we should expect the Minister of Finance to take a lead in cutting excess and showing restraint (like the PM over travel). For him to bleat and hide behind his ‘entitlement’ is the height of hypocrisy, far more so than any MP of any persuasion. Although I add that Roger Douglas display of fuckwittery on TV will take some outdoing. Clearly he was the etymological origin of the verb ‘to roger’.
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August 2, 2009 11:23am
ernesto

If the “nice to have” / “need to have” test is applied, this rort fails miserably.
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August 2, 2009 11:25am
Inventory2

bharmer – if you go to the Facebook page, you’ll see that I have made a reasoned and dispassionate case for the replacement of the coaching team. The bottom line is this – the All Blacks have not improved under Henry and Co’s coaching, even though he has by and large had the same group of players.

I am now starting to doubt whether the coaches have buy-in from the players. I believe that the coaches have been in place too long, and that they are bereft of new and fresh ideas. If the players were not following a game-plan last night and last week, they should be dropped. However if they WERE following a game-plan, serious questions need to be asked of the coaching staff. The tactics last night were woefully inadequate.

Don’t get me wrong – I love rugby and the All Blacks with a passion. I have followed the All Blacks since the early 1960’s, But there is a major malaise in the game now at the top level, and it is rapidly spreading downwards. Something needs to be done, and soon.
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August 2, 2009 11:27am
joe90

The Parliamentary Register of Percuniary Interests was published in January of this year.
Deputy Prime Minister Bill English’s pecuniary interests were declared in that register as:

Hon Bill ENGLISH (National, Clutha-Southland)
1. Company directorships and controlling interests
Resolution Farms Limited – farming
6. Real property
Family home, Dipton

Farm, Dipton

So where’s the Wellington house Billy?
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August 2, 2009 11:27am
hj

philu (4990) Vote: Add rating 1 Subtract rating 2 Says:
August 2nd, 2009 at 10:50 am

so..hj..i take it you are quite relaxed about english ‘re-arrnging the name on a title’..

..of a house in wellington he has owned since 2003..

No but I believe in an orderly process where issues are aired fairly and objectively one after the other.
I’m not sure activist tactics gel well with “Appropriate Decision Making”.
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August 2, 2009 11:30am
Manolo

“So where’s the Wellington house Billy?”

Nowhere to be found.

According to the Dom Post the house is owned by his wife, Mary. It was a joint acquisition, but in March 2009 the title was transferred to Mrs. English.

Fancy footwork, uh?
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August 2, 2009 11:33am
andrei

So where’s the Wellington house Billy?

Its in Karori joe90. And it is owned by a family trust so it doesn’t have to be declared as a “Precuniary interest”. And the family trust can rent it to Bill English so he and his family have a roof over their heads. And Bill English can claim the money paid in rent to his family trust as accommodation allowance.
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August 2, 2009 11:39am
hj

Sorry I was wrong about the greens releasing the English 1000. I read a comment where someone thanked the Greens for it but didn’t pick up that it was part of an earlier process. They did spin The Paula Bennett thing as invasion of privacy rather than interesting data however.
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August 2, 2009 11:39am
joe90

According to the Dom Post the house is owned by his wife, Mary. It was a joint acquisition, but in March 2009 the title was transferred to Mrs. English.

So Billy owned the house in January, when he declared his pecuniary interests.
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August 2, 2009 11:43am
Cerium

“to see the “confusing” propaganda for the weak artifice it really is”

It is sad to see the referendum being hijacked by those with wider political motives. The law change was minor and if the referendum forced a change it would be minor (that’s why I don’t have strong views on it either way). Some (on both sides) actually see it as being about the welfare and upbringing of our kids. And some will actually vote on that basis.

To use it as a rallying cry for political revolution is a huge insult to the kids.
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August 2, 2009 11:44am
Grant Michael McKenna

Redbaiter, have you ever considered renaming yourself “anyonetotheleftofgenghiskhanbaiter”? Just wondering.

PS, I am centrist. I vote for National precisely because I want a real liberal government. Oh, and to piss off fascists and socialists.
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August 2, 2009 11:45am
nickb

Never thought I’d hear myself say the welfare state needs expanding…
But clearly the income thresholds fot the accomodation supplement are ridiculously low.

I mean come on, can you really expect a Minister on a salary of 270K to be able to pay his own mortgage??!!

FFS times are tough, and people need a bit of help
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August 2, 2009 11:48am
Manolo

“I vote for National precisely because I want a real liberal government. Oh, and to piss off fascists and socialists.”

The question is: are you being served?

A true liberal government would put reliance on the individual above all.

It would start dismantling the current bloated welfare state. Instead of that, the National Party has promised to keep socialist Labour’s aberration, Working For Families, and done little or nothing in other areas.
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August 2, 2009 11:56am
nickb

Since when did Richard Boock become the dripping wet conscience of the left in New Zealand, on the back pages of the SST every week?

Stick to cricket
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August 2, 2009 12:05pm
Ryan Sproull

For the AGW crazy people.

There is no Warming. The ‘Barbecue Summer’ in the UK never happened. We didn’t need to paint our houses white, or install ceiling fans.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5955955/Weather-records-are-a-state-secret.html

From the guy who brought us “asbestos and second-hand smoke are harmless”…
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August 2, 2009 12:25pm
Jack5

Joe90 at 10.17 posted: “…And in 2007 there were reports of an SAS ‘rebellion’ in Afghanistan over the handing over of prisoners to the US forces…”

I guess the alternative was to shoot the prisoners, which was what the lefties’ Soviet heroes would have done.

From the few SAS types I have met, they would have no qualms about handing prisoners over to the Americans. Joe90’s rumour is just leftist agitprop.
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August 2, 2009 12:52pm
joe90

Jack5 has such a low opinion of our SAS that he dismisses, as leftist agitprop, their concerns that by handing over prisoners they may in fact be breaching their obligations as professional soldiers.
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August 2, 2009 1:12pm
Tauhei Notts

Jack5 at 9.59 a.m.
That paper’s three page spread on Kaingaroa completely ignores the village’s largest employer (82 employees) or their wonderful 20 member golf club that features so highly in Bay Of Plenty golf tournaments.
The light organic solvent preservative plant was opened by Helen Clark several years ago at the Mill. Alongside the finger jointers, planers, kilns etc the mill employs what many employers would call the unemployable.
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August 2, 2009 1:33pm
Rachael Rich

Has anyone heard the “I don’t think so” song for the Notyourstosell dumbarselefty campaign?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P-yMXmHDsY

It sounds suspiciously like the Sesame Street tune. I think this must be a breach of copyright 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmcdBnj4ZOg
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August 2, 2009 1:54pm
joeAverage

i feel for the all blacks , go and have a game of golf and relax after being wasted by the BOKS , because you overpaid tossers, this is all you can do. NO SKILL,NO GAME PLAN NO PRIDE dumb fuck hairstyles included no balls yes YES but mainly (NO BALLS) in other words a waste of space,just play golf on your incomes that all you have to do. NO PRIDE EITHER. i feel i try harder in my sport
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August 2, 2009 1:55pm
Viking2

New subject.
Communists arise in Tauranga.
http://www.sunlive.co.nz/7290a1.page

Tauranga City Council has moved to take the land of councillor Hayden Evans for a pipeline easement.
His land is being seized under Section 181 of the Local Body Government Act as another step in an ongoing wrangle.

TCC to seize councillor’s land… police take his assault rifle
Andrew Campbell andrew@thesun.co.nz
30 Jul 2009

Tauranga City Council has moved to take the land of councillor Hayden Evans for a pipeline easement.
His land is being seized under Section 181 of the Local Body Government Act as another step in an ongoing wrangle.

The latest phase in the battle saw police called to council offices last Tuesday. Hayden was to be asked to surrender his rifle and firearms licence because of allegations made about his mental stability.
The bitter, behind-the-scenes skirmishes between Hayden and the council became public when he revealed he had stopped paying rates because the council dragged out the pipeline issue over several years.
It was settled in mediation but councillors threw out the staff recommendation to accept it, saying Hayden should not be paid simultaneously as a councillor and as the engineer supervising the work on his own land.
Councillor Murray Guy said in June that councillors Moultrie, Brownless, Stewart and Baker each receive additional income separate from their council salaries, in their roles as Resource Management Act commissioners on hearings. Hayden says his rates arrears became a public issue because his personal information was talked about within council buildings.
To track the leak, Hayden left a dictaphone running in the councillors’ lounge. He was disturbed by what he heard being said behind his back.
When he told the mayor about the recording, Hayden says councillors questioned his mental stability and called the police.
At the police invitation, Hayden says he surrendered his 7.62mm AK47 and firearms licence. He’s also undergone a drugs test at his own expense and obtained character references.
Hayden’s partner has been unable to cope with the stress and his relationship has foundered.
“What disgusted me the most was the police coming here to take me away last Tuesday,” says Hayden. “All they had to do was make a phone call.”
He wasn’t in the council building when police arrived, says Hayden.
“I have had it with this childishness. Even my 10 year old daughter says these men are behaving like children.”
He will object to the land seizure order and the matter is likely to go before a commissioner.
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August 2, 2009 1:58pm
Jack5

Joe90 at 11.20 asks why Bill English’s house wasn’t in the registry of interests.

Home, as non-commercial interests, won’t be required to be included in the registry.

Even if it was, the expenses to English, all quite legitimate and fair, are paltry compared patsy directorships of SOEs for Labour officials, forged paintings, and scrabbling through MPs garbage and emails.

As for the SAS professionalism: perhaps Joe90 is confusing these fine soldiers with the troops of Germany who these days must hamstrung by booklets they must carry that tell them when they are allowed to return fire and (rarely) fight.
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August 2, 2009 2:15pm
Cerium

The sort of government Red seems to want is similar to the dysfunctional democracy in the US following the Fox/Limbaugh model – left or right, right or wrong, agree or traitor, propose or oppose, where political goals are sought with little consideration for how it actually affects people. Winning is all that matters. The current health reforms are another example of this, where the extreme right have picked a minor component and twisted it, they don’t care about what might be good for the elderly or not, they don’t care if they scare people when they are most vulnerable, as long as they get their way.

In NZ we still have a more co-operative democracy, and Key has moved further towards a pragmatic positive approach. It accepts that other people and other parties can have good ideas and legitimate needs. Some people don’t like that because it threatens their extreme agenda.

There are attempts to disrupt what we have with the Exclusive Brethren by stealth approach. The smacking issue is an example of this, used (unnecessarily) at the last election, trying to use it now, and Act have indicated they want to keep trying to use it at the next election. I doubt that Bradford was more than a bit too idealistic by starting it, but in doing so she gave the crusaders an opening, and they are using it as much as they can. Stuff the kids.
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August 2, 2009 2:15pm
Sonny Blount

Has anyone heard the “I don’t think so” song for the Notyourstosell dumbarselefty campaign?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P-yMXmHDsY

How on Earth does Don McGlashin still make a living as a professional musician?
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August 2, 2009 2:23pm
Chris_C

# Glutaemus Maximus (1987)
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:37 am

Case proof of the problem with the UK, and why Governments need AGW to cover the shortfall in Pension Provisions.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203508/Bad-news-Brown-IMF-says-Britains-debt-crisis-worst-major-economies.html

There is no CO2 issue, only a tax revenue issue. Guilt Tax, that is all it is. Co2 is not pollution. Neither is O.

It is all a load of BS, concocted by the UN to give them and their funders a role, and power.

You forgot, they’re also out to piss you off. They heard about you on the internet and decided they’d have a go while they were annoying Daily Mail readers, just because it’d be a laugh. That whole article is a conspiracy between people who just don’t like you.
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August 2, 2009 2:41pm
Hurf Durf

The latest Green boogeyman: onions!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10588214

How do these people dress themselves in the morning?
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August 2, 2009 4:19pm
Viking2

Cerium; is this the sort of Govt. you want. One that is less astute than Labour. One that is about to hand NZ to Maori via the UN.
Educate yourself.
http://www.nzcpr.com/weekly191.htm
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August 2, 2009 4:30pm
Cerium

I am interested in knowing what sort of government Redbaiter would be happy with. Inclusive or exclusive? My way or the highway?
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August 2, 2009 4:40pm
philu

he would have the tumbrils rolling..

..within 24 hrs of attaining power..

..(it’d be very ugly..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 2, 2009 5:30pm
racer1

“# Cerium (445) Vote: Add rating 1 Subtract rating 1 Says:
August 2nd, 2009 at 4:40 pm

I am interested in knowing what sort of government Redbaiter would be happy with. Inclusive or exclusive? My way or the highway?
”

He does not believe in democracy, so I would expect he would be some kind of dictator along the lines of Chairman Mao, or Kim-jong Ill, minus the slanty eyes that he dislikes so much of course.
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August 2, 2009 7:26pm
Hurf Durf

As long as it’s just you, phool, and racer and Kapital and Jack and all the other loons, I could deal with it.
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August 2, 2009 9:28pm
Redbaiter

Bombshell-

They (Orly Tait and friends) have Obama’s Kenyan Birth Certificate.

It is being presented as evidence in a court case to be heard in the near future.

There is a link to the graphic on this page-

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306351/posts
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August 2, 2009 9:45pm
getstaffed

Red, perhaps they’re keeping their powder dry? The birth cert doesn’t appear legible to me
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August 2, 2009 10:10pm
Redbaiter

Actually, I need to correct. Its actually a Certified Copy of the original.

Getstaffed- dunno why you say its not legible. It is posted in high resolution Adobe Book reader format and you can drag it around or zoom in on any part of it you want. I can read every word.

Searchers have already identified one of the signatories (Lavendar) as being in Kenya.
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August 2, 2009 10:18pm
getstaffed

.. oh the other things that concerns me about this birth cert issue is this: if only one person in the USA had the on-demand, covert resources to ‘re-write history’ in terms of certified documents… who would that be? POTUS!

edit: re legibility, must be my eyes 🙂
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August 2, 2009 10:20pm
Redbaiter

I recommend caution. This could quite well be another false alarm. Another attempt to discredit.

All we are seeing at the moment is images on a computer screen. The Orly Tait site listing the court case could be a fake. (phishing?)

That said, Josef Farah, who has been pursuing this thing bravely and relentlessly, stated a few days ago there would be a major breakthrough soon.
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August 2, 2009 10:27pm
lloydois

And only someone as moronic, delusional as redbaiter could be cracking a fat over it.
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August 3, 2009 12:13am
lloydois

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/unwinnable-war

Lets see how this one plays out shall we Redbaiter?

I mean, when you think about it Sarah should really be VP right about now, and if truth be told she should actually have been President coz as you and I know she’s REAL, not like all those other poncy beltway losers.

Mark my words…Obama is a doomed man.

Josef Farah is a major player.
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August 3, 2009 12:57am
Redbaiter

Twenty thousand views of the thread in a couple of hours and accelerating.

One thousand comments and accelerating.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306351/posts

If this is a real document, its the end of Obama, and maybe even the Democrats.

Big news while the dumbstruck mainstream media navel gazes.
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August 3, 2009 1:43am
ophiuchus

Yes Reddy, and while you’re going on with your “obama’s a godless gay marxist intent on taking your money” line.

The certificate is a fake. Kenya became a republic in 1963, not 1961. If the certificate stated “Dominion of Kenya” I might’ve believed you there.

Heres the actual link to the photo: http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/03118509265

And the person who put it up states the following:

“Poor birther kooks with their obsessive-moronic forgery attempts. In February 1964 the official name of the country was “Dominion of Kenya”. “Republic of Kenya” came only later.”
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August 3, 2009 2:10am
ophiuchus

scuse the typo. Kenya declared independence on 12 December 1963 and became a republic the same day the very next year
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August 3, 2009 2:16am
Glutaemus Maximus

Chris_C (50) Vote: 0 0 Says:
August 2nd, 2009 at 2:41 pm

How old are you boy?

Paying tax yet?

Shaving yet?

Had sex yet?

Fuck off communist prat!
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August 3, 2009 7:46am
Chris_C

Good response! I can’t even think of anything funnier to say that could better your reply. Well done. 🙂
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