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August 21, 2009 7:47am by David Farrar

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Chris2

Does anyone else think there is something wrong with the media in this country when it devotes massive time and space to reporting a brawl that occurred between school children playing a game of rugby?

More than half of the front page of today’s NZ Herald is devoted to the Kelston/Grammar fight and the TV media have replayed scenes of the on-field fight over and over in its news bulletins during the last few days.

Why is this sort of nonsense reported at all – reported even ahead of the elections in Afghanistan?

I despair for this country when the juvenile antics of children playing a sport that should be incidental to their being at school to learn and get an education, is given any sort of media coverage at all.
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August 21, 2009 7:49am
Chthoniid

TGIF Photo

Another tauhou, I’m going for a rakish angle and using the branches as a ‘natural frame’
http://chthoniid.zenfolio.com/img/v4/p464259139-5.jpg

Now, where did that coffee go? 🙂 🙂
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August 21, 2009 7:54am
mickysavage

I would urge John Key to accept Rodney Hide’s offer to resign. As Sue Bradford eloquently stated this would indeed be a “win-win” for not only the Government but the people of New Zealand.
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August 21, 2009 8:03am
philu

you want ‘cool’ pics..?

these are ‘cool pics’….

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/monsters-climbing-through-the-floors-magic-carpet-rides-through-fantastical-cities-yes-its-the-return-of-the-3d-artist-kurt-wenner/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 21, 2009 8:07am
Redbaiter

I see the dunces at the Standard applauding Barney Frank’s responses to a woman who criticized Obama’s health care policies and used the word “Nazi”

The comments are full of the usual low IQ morons and they’re venomously attacking “crazed right wingers”.

Turns out the woman in the video is a far left Democrat.

So there is the Standard, indulging in a complete fabrication to slander the right again, and no sign of a retraction of course.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/08/cnn_fails_to_report_woman_comp.asp
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August 21, 2009 8:19am
Patrick Starr

What more likely, John Key being urged to do anything by mickeysavage or Sue Bradford finding a less popular MP than herself?
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August 21, 2009 8:20am
Cerium

My take on the Rodney Hide “stand” is that it is just political posturing. It seems unlikely separate Maori seats will happen so Hide thinks he can appear to be acting on strong principal, it’s quite safe bet. I’m sure he doesn’t expect to give up any of the power or portfolios.
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August 21, 2009 8:24am
Cerium

“indulging in a complete fabrication to slander again, and no sign of a retraction of course.”

Any chance of a retraction on the birth certificate slander?
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August 21, 2009 8:26am
andrei

The only problem with ‘your take on the Rodney Hide “stand”’ Cerium is that it was a National MP who went running to the media with the tale.
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August 21, 2009 8:27am
Redbaiter

The world was told the US was divided, the election stolen, that there were “two Americas” and a drunk frat boy barely able to speak had been selected by the US Supreme Court…yet on August 22 of 2001, President Bush’s approval ratings were at 57% according to Gallup.

Today the gutless corrupt media claim the US is in a new era, the election a mandate for change, that there is one America full of hope and a brilliant orator has been elected by a huge turnout…yet by mid August 20 2009, President Obama’s approval ratings are at only 51% according to Gallup.
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August 21, 2009 8:28am
Cerium

So Hide is an opportunist Andrei? He decided to react by making a “stand”, must have liked the reaction so he has had another go and tried to “stand stronger”.
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August 21, 2009 8:29am
3-coil

How many seats is Peter Sharples prepared to guarantee and put aside for “pakeha” representation in the leadership of his Maori Party?

We have the laughable situation of the co-leader of NZ’s race-based political party demanding rights and concessions for Maori-only seats on the AK city council, when the Maori Party themselves are not prepared to meet the same standards of race-based representation within their own organisation.

Why does Sharples expect us all to tolerate his brown hypocrisy, while he bleats about how unfair Rodney Hide’s non-race-based proposal is? More “do as I say, not as I do” from the masters of demanding special treatment.
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August 21, 2009 8:31am
Cerium

Seems to be convoluted logic 3-coil. Should Sharples support “pakeha” representation on Maori seats on the AK city council?
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August 21, 2009 8:37am
Redbaiter

Whereas leftists love to accuse the left wing FOX news of being right wing, they remain silent on the gross distortions, lies and outright extreme left propaganda pushed by MSNBC, who today have been discovered to have edited a video to show something entirely opposite to the truth.

On Tuesday, MSNBCs Contessa Brewer fretted over health care reform protesters legally carrying guns: “A man at a pro-health care reform rally…wore a semiautomatic assault rifle on his shoulder and a pistol on his hip….there are questions about whether this has racial overtones….white people showing up with guns.” Brewer failed to mention the man she described was black, and the clip was carefully edited to conceal this fact.

The mainstream media are corrupt liars. Journalists are fakes and propagandists.

http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/08/20/notes-from-the-post-racial-presidency/
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August 21, 2009 8:38am
Redbaiter

Well said 3-coil. That NZ’s mainstream media does not latch onto and expose this gross hypocrisy of Sharples is a sign they are as corrupt a group of liars cheats and propagandists as exist in the USA.
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August 21, 2009 8:40am
3-coil

Agreed Cerium(8:37am): Sharples is consistent with his double standards – he has yet to state that the remainder of the the seats on the AK council are to be “pakeha” only, and out of bounds for Maori candidates.
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August 21, 2009 8:42am
Redbaiter

Columnist Andrew Pierce in the UK Telegraph-

“I telephoned the Citizens Advice service after it was announced this week that its staff are no longer to use the word “blacklisted”, to avoid “fostering stereotypes”. In future, the service is to use the word “blocklisted”.

I asked the helpful woman at the end of the telephone if, for the same reason, the word “whitewash” would be banned. After being put on hold for what seemed an eternity, she returned and said: “We will get back to you.” They never did. Do you think I’ve been blocklisted?”
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August 21, 2009 8:46am
Brian Smaller

The comments are full of the usual low IQ morons and they’re venomously attacking “crazed right wingers”.

Red – just like the incredibly cropped photo of a “white supremacist” openly carrying firearms at an anti-Obamacare rally, which when the original photo was seen turned out to be a well dressed black man with a carry permit.

Sorry Red – didn’t realise you had already posted that story.
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August 21, 2009 8:46am
Redbaiter

“Sorry Red – didn’t realise you had already posted that story.”

No worries Mr. Smaller. Comforting to know there are others out there seeking alternative news stories.

I see no problems with posting it twice on Kiwiblog.

It will never receive any exposure in the corrupt NZ media. Imagine though if it had been FOX news.
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August 21, 2009 8:56am
Cerium

Here is the US MSM “exposing” a receding Republican party, they are in more trouble than Labour are here.

“… today’s Palinoidal Republicans have lost most of the professionals, much of Wall Street and an increasing chunk of suburbia. What they can claim is the allegiance of the white South and the almost entirely white, non-urban parts of the Mountain West.

All parties are home to distinct subcultures with distinct beliefs. What’s different about today’s GOP is that increasingly, it is home to just one, and a whole sector of the media — Fox News, talk radio — makes its money by emphasizing this subculture’s sense of separateness, grievance and alarm, and by creating its own set of “facts.
In short, the Republican Party with which Democrats could make deals no longer exists. The GOP is too narrow; the gap between the parties, too wide.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/19/AR2009081902901.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
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August 21, 2009 9:02am
big bruv

While it is indeed noble of Rodney to take this stand I suspect it will be in vain, Neville Key will cave into the racist wishes apartheid party and the greens.
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August 21, 2009 9:02am
Redbaiter

Washington Post- smirk.

When are you retarded commies going to catch up to the fact that your media allies have been exposed by the internet and the blogosphere as the liars cheats and propagandists they really are?? They have not one skerrick of credibility left.
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August 21, 2009 9:07am
Redbaiter

Wikipedia-

“due to the perceived left-wing bias in both reporting and editorials, The Washington Post has been called “Pravda on the Potomac”, ”

And here’s our resident dumbarse without a clue posting opinion articles attacking Republicans as if Post journalist’s views have some objective worth. Get a life you damn washed up political troglodyte.
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August 21, 2009 9:15am
lukas

Great health system we have here, left to call an ambulance in the ambulance bay of Waitakere hospital waiting to get into the emergency department

http://lukewebster.wordpress.com/2009/08/21/waitakere-hospital/
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August 21, 2009 9:19am
dime

IF we end up with Maori seats on the council.. i dont know what im going to do.

at least when Helen was in power, i knew who the enemy was, i knew that one day the good guys would be back in.

but fuck, im just gonna be a disillusioned Dime if this happens. the Slipknot song “All Hope Is Gone” comes to mind!

ive supported John all the way through. usually i can see an end game to what he does. sure, it cost me a tax cut. but ya get that.

but the maori seat thing is just too much.
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August 21, 2009 9:23am
Cerium

Funny Mr Objective. You search a lot of US news and comment, can you point to some that claim the Repubs are looking strong across the country? Beyond being strongly negative?
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August 21, 2009 9:25am
philu

hey..!..anonymous trolls..!

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/watch-out-anonymous-trolls/

“..“..Listen up, anonymous bloggers: ..

.. You don’t get to call someone a “Horsey Face,” “ho,” “skank bitch” or “#1 skanky superstar” and remain anonymous.

A judge ruled Tuesday that Google must reveal the name of the creator of “Skanks in NYC,” a now defunct Web site that was hosted on its blogging platform and existed for the express purpose of publicly leveling such schoolyard insults at model Liskula Cohen.

Cohen says the “Skanks” scribe’s false portrayal of her as a “promiscuous woman” has damaged her reputation

Once the bilious blogger’s identity is revealed, the 27-year-old model can go forward as planned with a defamation lawsuit.

Cohen says the “Skanks” scribe’s false portrayal of her as a “promiscuous woman who is filthy, disgusting, foul and a whore” ..

..has damaged her reputation in the modeling world (they like their “whores” clean, attractive and pure).

Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Joan Madden wrote in her decision: ..

..”The thrust of the blog is that [Cohen] is a sexually promiscuous woman.”

In order to win her case, Cohen will have to prove that the nasty insults are false and unprivileged, as I wrote when the case broke at the start of the year.

Sounds like quite the courtroom circus..”

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 21, 2009 9:26am
Chthoniid

OTOH, a shift to focus on frontline health services is starting to payoff

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/2772289/Elective-surgery-numbers-up-Ryall

I though it was interesting that the increase in elective surgery by roughly 12,000 operations was an objective met in the first year of office (as opposed to the 3 year term)
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August 21, 2009 9:28am
southtop

if Key does cave over the apartheid seats on slurper city and Hide does resign we may finally get an effective opposition?
I’m with Dime I dont know what to think anymore, Key is further left than some Labour govt’s of old.
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August 21, 2009 9:29am
lukas

Phil, send that link to the guys at The Standard…they need it more than most of the people over here.
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August 21, 2009 9:31am
philu

red..you are a rightwing loon…(that’s a ‘given’..)

the politicians/people you favor are also rightwing loons..(that’s another ‘given’..)

the politicians/people you favor..are currently the faces/spokespeople for the republican party..

the only conclusion to be drawn..

is that the rightwing loons..

..have sized control of the republican party..

..and have left many republicans..and the rest of us..gape-jawed at their collective ‘madness’..

how is this not so..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 21, 2009 9:32am
Redbaiter

“You search a lot of US news and comment, can you point to some that claim the Repubs are looking strong across the country?”

See what I mean about troglodyte?

Who cares about the current crop of Republicans. They’re traitors and enablers. Fresh blood is the issue.

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/08/gallup-batteground-polls-show-rise-in.html

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/conservatives-single-largest-ideological-group.aspx
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August 21, 2009 9:33am
Cerium

“I dont know what to think anymore, Key is further left than some Labour govt’s of old.”

If you didn’t read it have a look at this from yesterday:
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/bryce_edwards_drinking_liberally.html

Left and Right may be convenient if you want to abuse someone, but politics is far more complex than that these days.
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August 21, 2009 9:35am
philu

lukas..i prefer preaching/bringing ‘enlightening’ news .. to the unconverted..

..i enjoy the challenge..

plus..i boycott/don’t go near that blog ‘cos of their high degree of censorship..

absence/ignoring is the only way have to protest that..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 21, 2009 9:36am
Redbaiter

“Left and Right may be convenient if you want to abuse someone, but politics is far more complex than that these days.”

Wrong again. Its not so much left and right as Conservatives and Progressives.
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August 21, 2009 9:37am
Inventory2

The Herald is now reporting that Margaret Wilson lifted the freeze on a group of MP’s perks after lobbying from retiring 2008 MP’s. We’ve started compiling a list of MP’s who retired last year having entered Parliament prior to 1999, and two parties are over-represented. All additions to the list will be much appreciated!!

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/08/more-on-wilsons-folly.html
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August 21, 2009 9:41am
philu

no red..that’s reactionaries..and progressives..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 21, 2009 9:41am
Cerium

“Its not so much left and right as Conservatives and Progressives.”

The data you linked to showed 35% Moderate. That vote has the most influence in elections because they can swing either way.

“Conservatives and Progressives” is far too simplistic. Most people have a kaleidoscope of preferences. Not you maybe, but most.
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August 21, 2009 9:42am
Angus

From Neal Boortz .. But Glenn Beck viewers will know all too well.

HEARD OF PROFESSORS CLOWARD AND PIVEN?
By
Neal Boortz
@ August 20, 2009 8:51 AM Permalink | Comments (47) | TrackBacks (0)

Both were at liberal Columbia University professors in the ’60’s. (I know, “liberal Columbia University Professor” is redundant). These two professors put forth their Cloward-Piven strategy in an article in The Nation magazine. The issue date was May 2, 1966. David Horowitz summarizes the strategy thusly:

The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The “Cloward-Piven Strategy” seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

Hmmmmm. Does that sound at all like our current “crisis” in health care? I mean, how many people do you personally know who are in the throes of despair right now because of some needed health care service that is beyond their reach? Oh sure, I know that there are lifeboat cases; there always are, in any society. But do the relatively small percentage of people out there who are facing some sort of unmet medical disaster constitute an entire system in “crisis?” Certainly not. So why the huge push? Why the asinine idea that our economic recovery is dependent on developing some form of national healthcare? Why is this all being painted as a crisis that to be solved right-by-God-now or our entire society is endangered? Well … Obama and the Democrats, of course, are anxious to get this segment of the economy under their absolute control before next year’s mid-term elections. Time is really of the essence for them. Consider also that if you’re going to use the Cloward-Piven Strategy of manufactured crisis, you have to treat it like an actual crisis, and that means dealing with it NOW!

Here’s a bit from The Nation article: The essential features of a campaign using the Cloward-Piven Strategy.

1. The offensive organizes previously unorganized groups eligible for government benefits but not currently receiving all they can.
2. The offensive seeks to identify new beneficiaries and/or create new benefits.
3. The overarching aim is always to impose new stresses on target systems, with the ultimate goal of forcing their collapse.

Needless to say we’re going to be discussing my “find” here (thanks to a listener email) in coming days and weeks. But first, perhaps you would like to learn more on your own. Go ahead .. use Google. But here’s two links to get you started:

1. Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis, from American Thinker.com
2. The Cloward-Piven Strategy, from Discoverthenetworks.org

What do you think? Could the Democrat-Socialist party be intentionally trying to collapse our system?
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August 21, 2009 9:50am
philu

What do you think? Could the rightwing be intentionally trying to collapse our (welfare) system?..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 21, 2009 9:54am
Redbaiter

Fuck you’re hopless Phil. So far this morning I’ve exposed your ideological buddies at the Standard as morons, shown Obama is in a worse position than George Bush was at this time in his presidency, demonstrated what liars and propagandists posture as journalists at MNSBC, proved what a fucked up PC basket case the socialists have made of the UK, educated various commie troglodytes on the perversion of the mainstream media, drawn your attention to the move to reshape the Republican party in its original image, and awakened you to the resurgence of Conservatism, and all you have is-

“red..you are a rightwing loon”

Get a job you useless contemptible parasite.
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August 21, 2009 9:55am
Angus

“Get a job you useless contemptible parasite.”

Isn’t it sickening how a guy like Mr Ure does nothing all day but loathe the capitalist system and agricultural industries which affords him the luxury of the kind of sedimentary, catatonic lifestyle he enjoys.

I don’t know who lacks self-respect more, Mr Ure or Spondre !
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August 21, 2009 10:01am
Cerium

Fuck you are wonderful Red. You have done so much here in one morning. Are you going to sort out the US this afternoon?
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August 21, 2009 10:01am
OldNews

David – we know you have a soft spot for Jacinda Ardern but her irregular posts on RedAlert are surely starting to show her up as the most economically illiterate Labour MP. I know that’s a huge call but if you look at today’s http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2009/08/21/job-opsa-spade/ and the earlier one where she claimed farmers don’t care about increasing output … she’s certainly a contender for the title!
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August 21, 2009 10:02am
Redbaiter

“I don’t know who lacks self-respect more, Mr Ure or Spondre !”

From my observations, the entire concept of self respect completely eludes both of them.
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August 21, 2009 10:03am
philu

red..are you seriously proposing you are not ‘a rightwing loon’..?

whoar..!

i mean.that wasn’t perjorative..it was adjectival..

and..i know nothing of ‘the standard’..’cept they censor..

i am far more disappointed in obama than you could be..(your pont..?..)

and ‘lies and propaganda in msm..?..that’d be fox…by a country mile..

dunno what you are banging on about ‘socialists/uk ..’proven’..?

yes..the loons have taken over the republican party..

and yes..you are the definition of a ‘rightwing loon’..

i mean..who better than you..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 21, 2009 10:03am
MyNameIsJack

This is the sort of government John Key and the Notioanl Party wants for New Zealand:

Students executed for blasphemy.

Girls forced in to marriage at 8 years old.

Women denied food if they refuse their husbands sexual demands.

Women denied the right to vote.

Or does John Key and his Notional government think that this is OK for Afghanistan, but not OK for New Zealand?

This is the government the New Zealand SAS is being sent to prop up.

This is wrong. Keep the troops at home until the thugs in Kabul have been tossed out.
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August 21, 2009 10:06am
getstaffed

From stuff:

“It’s hardly thousands and thousands of parents are being criminalised because they are absolutely not,” Ms Morris-Travers said.

So the idea is that it’s perfectly legal to shoplift, but it’s only a crime if I’m caught?!?

FFS, tens if not hundreds of thousands of perfectly good, loving parents are currently unconvinced criminals.
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August 21, 2009 10:14am
big bruv

Comrade Bradford has stated that “regardless of the outcome of the referendum the government will not change its position”

1. How does the lying maggot know this?

2. Is the anti smacking bill part of the Greens MOU with Neville Key?

3. When Key does ignore the smacking referendum will National party cheer leaders finally admit that Key is a disgrace?
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August 21, 2009 10:29am
Cerium

“FFS, tens if not hundreds of thousands of perfectly good, loving parents are currently unconvinced criminals.”

What would it take to convince them?
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August 21, 2009 10:31am
joe90

The fools who apparently organized the Arizona gun stunt are posting comments at this forum, with photos:

http://www.arizonashooting.com/v3/viewtopic.php?p=595650#p595650
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August 21, 2009 10:38am
Jack5

mickysavage at 8.03 called on Key to accept Hide’s offer to resign over Maori seats for Auckland, and mickysavage cited Sue Bradford as an argument in support, as if Kiwiblog readers care a fig for that far-leftist’s views.

mickysavage seems as rational as his namesake, Prime Minister Savage, was in his final time in office. Read John A. Lee’s memoirs to see how rational PM Savage was.

Pakeha like poster “mickysavage” and Bradford reject the concept of equal voting rights for all colours and support brown apartheid, which is what reserved, non-proportional seats for Auckland Maori would be. In the fight against South African apartheid such racial quislings often ended up with a tyre full of petrol round their necks. I certainly don’t advocate that for Bradford and mad micky, but they need to reflect on their hypocrisy.

Borrowing from the term slaves used for more privileged blacks in American slave days we might describe as “house whities” those pakeha who support the brown-apartheid position on Auckland regional voting seats.

Hide has the moral high ground here.
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August 21, 2009 10:45am
wreck1080

Would love to see some french style civil disobedience to give JK a wake up call that he works for the people , not the other way round.

He is doing the same thing as Helen Clark if he ignores the referendum results.
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August 21, 2009 11:11am
Inventory2

MNIJ said “Or does John Key and his Notional government think that this is OK for Afghanistan, but not OK for New Zealand?

This is the government the New Zealand SAS is being sent to prop up.

This is wrong. Keep the troops at home until the thugs in Kabul have been tossed out.”

You may have missed it while you were dreaming up your next smear MHIJ, but the government you refer to is essentially the same one that Helen Clark and Phil Goff deployed the SAS to support – not once – but thrice.
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August 21, 2009 11:18am
philu

inventory..just ‘cos labour were so so wrong on this one..

surely is not the de-facto excuse/reason for national..and national supporters..?

..to repeat that mistake..?

it is utter madness going into afghanistan..

and here is more than enough evidence of that..

http://whoar.co.nz/?s=afghanistan

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 21, 2009 11:24am
big bruv

Come on guys!, stop letting MNIJ and the rest of the pinko wankers frame the debate.

YES, we are sending troops to Afghanistan, be bloody proud of it and stop reacting to taunts from the left.

We should have been in Iraq as well, we should have been there from day one, I am proud that we are finally doing our bit in the war on terror, for far to long we have hidden down here and sponged off the hard work of the Yanks and the Brits.
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August 21, 2009 11:27am
philu

yeah that’s right bruv…

we should have been in iraq…

it’s proving to be such a raging success..eh..?

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/iraq-explodes/

and..do you know how much america has pissed up against the wall..on these twin follies..?

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/military-analysts-expect-long-term-costly-us-effort-in-afghanistan/

um..!..”..the Yanks and the Brits..”

how old are you..?

i’m picking really old..

you can tell us..

you are anonymous..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 21, 2009 11:38am
philu

“..kind of sedimentary, catatonic lifestyle he enjoys.”

aah..!..the involuntary humour produced by the illiterate..

it often amuses..

“sedimentary lifestyle”..eh..?

heh..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 21, 2009 11:46am
Cerium

I can see some justification for us trying to help in Afghanistan, but it will be very difficult to force a lasting solution and will possibly a futile exercise.

Iraq was unjustified illegal madness. Sure, Saddam was a bastard, but so was the US. We will see the results play out over the years to come, and it probably won’t be pretty.
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August 21, 2009 11:53am
big bruv

Phool

How about I cut you a deal?, I will continue to answer all of your questions if you will answer just one of mine.

Do we have a deal?
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August 21, 2009 11:57am
philu

“..I can see some justification for us trying to help in Afghanistan,..”

what exactly.?..save hanging off americas’ dick..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 21, 2009 11:57am
philu

you go first..

with your real name..

.eh..?

stop hiding behind a fake persona..

or..are you too ‘important’..to do that..?

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August 21, 2009 11:59am
big bruv

Nope Phool, I have always answered your questions, so far you have refused to answer any of mine.

I only have one for you, how much of our money do you get every week?

Tell me that and I will answer your questions.
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August 21, 2009 12:01pm
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August 21, 2009 12:06pm
Jack5

Scotland’s release of the Libyan who blew up the airline is another sell-out by a leftie government.

What a murdering bastard Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi is. He should have died in prison with his demise videoed and posted on YouTube, just as his scum mates Al Qaeda would do.

Too many of the good Scots must have migrated to Commonwealth countries and America. The mob who run the place now are obviously gutless.
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August 21, 2009 12:07pm
philu

i sooo believe you bruv..

got a bridge you’d like to sell to me..?

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August 21, 2009 12:09pm
Cerium

“As Rodney Hide crawls out onto the ledge and threatens to resign all of his ministerial posts if the Auckland Supercity Council is allowed to include dedicated Maori seats, an anxious nation gathers in the street below with only one thought on its mind – jump, jump, jump.”

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0908/S00182.htm

I don’t agree with separate Maori seats, but enjoyed a laugh.
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August 21, 2009 12:16pm
Ryan Sproull

aah..!..the involuntary humour produced by the illiterate..

it often amuses..

“sedimentary lifestyle”..eh..?

Might not have been involuntary (or unintentional).

After all, you do claim to be stoned a lot.
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August 21, 2009 12:22pm
Jack5

Re Cerium’s 12.16

It would have to be more humorous than Moreau’s cartoon on Hide in today’s Fairfukked Media papers (the Christchurch Press, Wellington Dominion-Post etc).

I could put up with Moreau’s lefty outlook on the world if he was funny now and again and didn’t need to put so some many words into his cartoons.
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August 21, 2009 12:23pm
Cerium

“Scotland’s release of the Libyan who blew up the airline is another sell-out by a leftie government.”

Or something else. Saving them and others eg CIA from an embarrassing Appeal? The case could be one of the worst examples of international (in)justice.
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August 21, 2009 12:30pm
philu

so cerium..why no answer to the valid question..?..

(you are usually so ‘chatty’..why so reticent now..?..have you not thought your ‘centreist’ stance through..?..))

“..I can see some justification for us trying to help in Afghanistan,..”

what exactly.?..save hanging off americas’ dick..?..”

and who are we ‘helping’..?..exactly..?

certainly not the afghanis..

we were before with our reconstruction efforts/work..

but now..we are going there to kill them..

..and help lay waste to their country..

(and this just in..!..)

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/american-majority-agrees-afghan-wars-not-worth-fighting/

and ..save yr ‘fighting terrorism’ fake-thesis..

cd one of you righties remind us again..

just why we are going to fight a country that defeated the british empire..?

at the height of that empires’ powers..?

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August 21, 2009 12:37pm
philu

nah..!..probably wasn’t grasping for sedentary..eh ryan..?

b.t.w..it is pot i use..eh..?

not massive doss of l.s.d..or booze..or anti-depressants..or speed..eh..?

my brain still works..after a fashion..eh..?

(and..i didn’t take you for an anti-pot hysteric..go figure..!

..eh..?..)

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August 21, 2009 12:45pm
Ryan Sproull

(and..i didn’t take you for an anti-pot hysteric..go figure..!

..eh..?..)

Could you quote me being an anti-pot hysteric?
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August 21, 2009 12:52pm
Jack5

Re Cerium’s 12.30 post …

Given Obama’s reaction to the Scottish decision, I don’t think the CIA made a mistake. I thing the rumour that the airliner bombing was really by Iran, is bullshit put around by Libya and its mates.

What does it remind you of?

Don’t waste your sympathy on Libyans. Remember how the scum shot a British policewoman from their embassy.

Scotland is a mess. It couldn’t survive economically if it pulled out of the union with England. Too much anti-English Braveheart mythology and not enough of its intellectual and warrior traditions. Labour-fied, welfare-ised, and left behind.
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August 21, 2009 12:55pm
philu

and yes..had the warmongering nats been in power..

we would have ridden into bagdhad..

..on those american tanks..

who can forget the (armchair) dog of war slavering of simon (‘all the way with bush!” power..?

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August 21, 2009 12:58pm
MyNameIsJack

You may have missed it while you were dreaming up your next smear MHIJ, but the government you refer to is essentially the same one that Helen Clark and Phil Goff deployed the SAS to support – not once – but thrice.

inventory, I don’t expect you to keep score as I doubt you are capable of counting beyond your left hand, but I have been consistent in my opposition to NZ’s presence in foreign wars. I don’t care who the government of the day is, NZ troops in Afghanistan is wrong and not in the nation’s interests.
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August 21, 2009 1:26pm
MyNameIsJack

big bruv (4290) Vote: 4 1 Says:

August 21st, 2009 at 11:27 am
Come on guys!, stop letting MNIJ and the rest of the pinko wankers frame the debate.

YES, we are sending troops to Afghanistan, be bloody proud of it and stop reacting to taunts from the left.

Of course you’d be proud of anything that ensures women are enslaved, freedom is extinguished and tyrants rule unmolested.

The ONLY reason any foreign troops should be in Afghanistan is protect the people of that country from the thugs in Kabul, but they’re the tghugs the US installed, aren’t they?
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August 21, 2009 1:29pm
big bruv

“freedom is extinguished and tyrants rule unmolested”

Ha ha ha, this from a man who supports Helen Clark, Hugo Chavez and B Hussein Messiah Obama.
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August 21, 2009 1:40pm
MyNameIsJack

hey, big girls blouse, provide some proof of the above, or stick your head up a dead bear’s cunt.

I have never voted Labour.

I have never voted for Chavez, nor do i support much of what he stands for.

I did not vote for Obama, but I must admit I love what he’s done to redbaiter.

And the debat is not about sending the NZ SAS to New york, venezula or the USA, it is about sending them to support the thuggery of karzi.

Of course I am not surprised that a facist thug like you supports the afghan government and its repressions.

[DPF: 20 demerits for big bear’s xxxx]
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August 21, 2009 2:17pm
Mr Nobody NZ

Hi PhilU,

PhilU Said: And who are we ‘helping’..?..exactly..?
We’re going there to provide assistance to Nato who have requested our assistance.

PhilU said: we are going there to kill them..
Unfortunately this is what generally happens in war.

PhilU said: just why we are going to fight a country that defeated the british empire..?
at the height of that empires’ powers..?

You also forget a country which defeated the Soviet Union, however just because a country has had a successful military past doesn’t mean that you stand aside when they attack you.

I understand that you may not agree with the War in Afghanistan however let us stop and remember that:
1) Prior to 9/11 nobody wanted to invade Afghanistan
2) The Afghan Leadership chose to allow their country to be used as the launch pad for an act of mass murder against a civilian target.
3) The Afghan Leadership were given the opportunity to protect the lives of their people (and their own control on power) by handing over those responsible for the 9/11 attacks.
4) The NATO invasion of Afghanistan was sanctioned by the United Nations.

To date the NATO mission in Afghanistan has been largely successful, they’ve dismantled the primary threats and I personally believe if they wanted to act for the best of THEIR people they would withdraw right now. Unfortunately I suspect that in less than 72 hours Afghanistan however once again be in a state of civil war and in the fighting that would follow hundreds if not thousands of civilians would die eg the Soviet retreat all over again. In addition NATO would need to ensure that Afghanistan could never present a threat again they and would need to continue to use airstrikes and raids to hit any sign of enemy forces regrouping. Unfortunately this could never really stop and the only way they could guarantee their own security would be to keep Afghanistan in a state of low technology and instability indefinitely.

The alternative course of action is to make Afghanistan a functioning nation. This much more difficult process as it takes long amount of time (I believe a British Commander suggested they would need troops on the ground until 2050), a large amount of resources and ultimate sacrifice of human lives, however if you truly want long term peace this is the only option available to you. Units such as our engineer team are a critical part of this mission (and I think it is foolish that we’re going to withdraw them) however while there are large numbers of insurgents who are prepared to murder innocent men, women and children this is not a peace keeping mission or a rebuilding mission it is a combat mission and I believe our SAS should be there.

A lot of people have been very vocal about what shouldn’t be done in Afghanistan, However I would be very keen to hear your opinion on what should be done? How do you think the operations there be brought to the best conclusion for the Afghan people?
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August 21, 2009 2:44pm
joeAverage

Have a great weekend 🙂 folks
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August 21, 2009 2:46pm
MyNameIsJack

Let’s get the facts right.

I understand that you may not agree with the War in Afghanistan however let us stop and remember that:
1) Prior to 9/11 nobody wanted to invade Afghanistan

The Russians both wanted to, and did, invade. Were you asleep then?

2) The Afghan Leadership chose to allow their country to be used as the launch pad for an act of mass murder against a civilian target.

That leadership is no longer leadership, or didn’t you notice the “regime change” and the “election” of the Pashtun thug, Hamid Karzai?

3) The Afghan Leadership were given the opportunity to protect the lives of their people (and their own control on power) by handing over those responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

As I said, they are no longer leaders, and besides, the attacks on New York were not acts of war perpetrated by a government, they were crimes carried out by a few idiots. War was not the answer, police work was, and is.

Name the 9/11 terrorists and the country of origin and see if you still thing it was all done from, and by, Afghanistan.

4) The NATO invasion of Afghanistan was sanctioned by the United Nations.

That does not make it right, or necessary.
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August 21, 2009 3:03pm
MyNameIsJack

[DPF: 20 demerits for big bear’s xxxx]

Fine, your blog and all that, but if you’re going to hand out demerits for using venerable words of the English language how about providing a list of those you deem unacceptable?

And it was DEAD bear’s cunt.

[DPF: It depends on context. If someone says they had a cunt of a day I’m not going to get too stressed, even though I might prefer a less colourful phrase. If you call someone a cunt that is highly likely to get demerits. Suggesting people do something with a cunt is likewise.

A more general rule I apply is will the comment lead to the thread degnerating into a flame fest of mindless abuse between participants rather than at least partially debating the issue.]
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August 21, 2009 3:06pm
Mr Nobody NZ

Hi Jack,

>>The Russians both wanted to, and did, invade. Were you asleep then?
Not at all. Yes the Soviet union did invade Afghanistan in 1979 and then withdrew ten years later in 1989. My statement was actually refering to the twelve years prior to the 9/11 attacks during which time I don’t believe any country made any comments/indications that they were planning to invade the country.

>>That leadership is no longer leadership, or didn’t you notice the “regime change” and the “election” of the Pashtun thug, Hamid Karzai?
Yes there has been a change of leadership unfortunately Afgahnistan is still a country at war or do you think that Nato should have simply conducted its operations and left the mess for the local population to deal with?

>>the attacks on New York were not acts of war perpetrated by a government, they were crimes carried out by a few
>>idiots. War was not the answer, police work was, and is.
While the act was not carried out by direct representatives of the then Afghan government it was carried out was members of an organisation that they had welcomed and supported. Following the strikes the Afghan government made no attempt to either bring the group or indivduals to justice themselves or allow the international community to do so. In fact the opposite occured and instead of making any attempts to seperate themselves from the actions the Afghan government protected those responsible.

>> The NATO invasion of Afghanistan was sanctioned by the United Nations.
>> That does not make it right, or necessary.
Actually I’ve made an error here. The UNSC DIDN’T authorise the invasion as it it seems NATO invoked Article 51 of the UN Charter and argued Operation Enduring Freedom was an act of collective self defence, though this is clearly a debatble point (as illustrated by our own two opposing opinions on this).

Regardless of this these events have happened. The real question is how would you plot the best course forward for the Afghan people?

BTW how do you do the quotes?
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August 21, 2009 3:54pm
wreck1080

More proof the UK is trashed…

Public swimming pools are holding muslim swimming sessions.

During these sessions, only those adhering to strict muslim dress codes may attend.
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August 21, 2009 4:52pm
joeAverage

i feel like spewing are the plods (police) such pc dumbies shitheads,A kid died from inflicted injuries, a young male from the house is walking the streetsOPPS a toddler could have done the bashing,yer right , FUCK DO YOU RESPECT THE POLICE , a police thought(BASHER fuck i bashed the kid but im not saying nothing im maori)police (thats alright rangi the kid deserved it he didnt like the smell of your dak) THANKS BRO, a male in a house where a kid dies WHATS THE PROBLEM MR PC PLODDY, opps overpaid dumbies,police opps is it a maori again,CANNOT TOACH; re the maori party
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August 21, 2009 6:01pm
Repton

BTW how do you do the quotes?

Like this:

<blockquote>BTW how do you do the quotes?</blockquote>

I presume this is the list of allowed tags.
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August 21, 2009 6:35pm
Hurf Durf

Premier Cow and Total Idiot Sue “I know best” Bradford got a psychological group’s award today for her work towards “social justice.” Hmm, I wonder what else is happening today, in about an hour’s time?
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August 21, 2009 6:48pm
Hurf Durf

we would have ridden into bagdhad..

..on those american tanks..

Hahaha! Nah, not really. Even the British only went as far as Basra. The paltry few hundred soldiers NZ would have provided would have been a drop in the ocean, though I imagine Hulun would been throwing them there if Al Bore was in charge. It’s nice to see you exercise the logic of our “independent” (see: anti-Western) foreign policy.

If I were an optimist, here’s what I’d like to see happen over the next few weeks:

1) No vote wins by a substantial margin in the referendum. Key tells the Gweens to fuck off and enacts legislation to repeal Bwadford’s little law and replace it with something sensible.

2) Maori seats are not recommended by the Supercity Committee, Hide reigns with his reforms continuing and the race-baiting left soothes its throbbing arsehole.

3) Russel Norman gets hit by a train.

But I’m not, so they won’t.
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August 21, 2009 7:04pm
joeAverage

Have another good weekend again, sigh i rant and another kid could die SIGH
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August 21, 2009 7:23pm
Patrick Starr

87.6% vote ‘NO’ for smack to be a criminal offence!

1.4 milliom kiwis vote NO

are you listening John Key? – you’d better!
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August 21, 2009 8:08pm
Hurf Durf

87% no, 1.4 million votes.

I’d say that’s pretty decisive. Eat that Sue, you nasty cow.
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August 21, 2009 8:13pm
big bruv

1.6 million Patrick.

I will be interested to see how the National party cheer leaders spin this one should Key continue to ignore the wishes of the people, perhaps he would do well to consider how much of his election win was down to the publics frustration with nanny state.

He ignores this at his peril.

Oh……and stick that up your arse Comrade Bradford.
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August 21, 2009 8:15pm
Patrick Starr

BB 1.6 mil voted … 1.4 mil voted NO
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August 21, 2009 8:19pm
big bruv

Right you are Patrick, I thought you were talking about total votes.
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August 21, 2009 8:23pm
big bruv

If Key ignores this result watch his ratings drop like a stone.
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August 21, 2009 8:24pm
Patrick Starr

DPF’s got a thread going on it
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/smacking_referendum_results.html
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August 21, 2009 8:29pm
Viking2

Hmm not a surprise. It will be ignored though. Arrogance of power.

I noted on the telly news that Key wimped out of the Rodney/ Maori seats question by just suggesting what will be will be.
Two subjects that will end the golden weather.
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August 21, 2009 8:37pm
Hurf Durf

Who knew that left wing British and German politicians had so much in common?

Schmidt protested her innocence yesterday and said she had taken the armoured car to Spain for security reasons. She accused her conservative opponents of deliberately attacking her because they feared having their plans to introduce more private healthcare exposed.
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August 21, 2009 9:35pm
philu

cool..!..a new/funny local comedy show..

yay..!

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/a-newfunny-local-comedy-showits-called-7-days/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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