General Debate 16 August 2009

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Gerrit

Why is is it that this NACT government is so reticent to address structural problems in the economy. It is not that they need any more background information to base decisions on. Heck the press and blogsville is full of the background information. More here

http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/show-me-money/2009/8/9/beast-ate-our-success/?c_id=1502818&objectid=10589499

When will Key and English step up to the mark? And is English sounding more like Cullen everyday?
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August 16, 2009 8:09am
Whafe

Houses “going like hotcakes”

I call BS, and copious amounts of the steamy brown stuff……

Still blows me out how the media still try to defy gravity and try so so hard to boost up a real estate market that is in the toilet….

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10591107
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August 16, 2009 8:12am
Cerium

Yesterday Redbaiter launched another attempt at revolution, carefully worded, and based on the US model. It is worth reading it again and seeing it for what it really us.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/general_debate_15_august_2009.html#comment-596480

It is always against things, and never says what it actually proposes to replace it with. And what it is against is hard to argue with, because it is against vague things that sound populist but have little substance.

It says the MSM is the enemy and whatever anyone argues is invalid because they said it (and ignores the fact the most MSM is run by privately owned companies).
It is against Progressivism – the Jim Anderton Party?
It is against Socialism – where in the world is a true Socialist government?
It is against Totalitarianism – except for the brand it wants to impose?
It is against democratically elected governments.

Redbaiter, you show that you are against nonexistent or barely existent shadows. But what are you for? If your revolution, your takeover of our government, is successful what can we look forward to?

Or is your plan not to tell us what your plan is? Apart from stirring up fear and hate like they are doing in the US.
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August 16, 2009 8:22am
Grant Michael McKenna

Gerrit, the idea of mass retrenchments in a recession is one that would appeal to an ideologue only; the approach being followed is that of slowing [if not halting] all pay increases so as to reduce the premium paid to civil servants. In South Africa there used to be a belief among South Africa’s Afrikaner politicians that it was axiomatic that kragdadigheid, a show of brute strength, resolves problems. John Key is not the leader of that National Party, for which thank God.
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August 16, 2009 8:38am
billyborker

Whafe (168) Vote: 1 0 Says:

August 16th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Houses “going like hotcakes”

I call BS, and copious amounts of the steamy brown stuff……

Still blows me out how the media still try to defy gravity and try so so hard to boost up a real estate market that is in the toilet….

Then you’re an idiot if you can’t see the connection. Grab your local newspaper and calculate how much of their ad revenue comes from real estate ads. They’re only talking it up to supoport their revenue.
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August 16, 2009 8:55am
billyborker

For those of who who are gung ho about NZ troops “fighting the good fight” in Afghanistan, THIS is what you are supporting.

AFGHANISTAN has quietly passed a law permitting Shiite men to deny their wives food and sustenance if they refuse to obey their husbands’ sexual demands, despite international outrage over an earlier version of the legislation that President Hamid Karzai had promised to review.

The new final draft of the legislation also grants guardianship of children exclusively to their fathers and grandfathers, and requires women to gain permission from their husbands to work.

”It also effectively allows a rapist to avoid prosecution by paying ‘blood money’ to a girl who was injured when he raped her,” the US charity Human Rights Watch said.

http://www.theage.com.au/world/barbaric-laws-reverse-afghan-womens-rights-20090815-elqj.html

This is not what I pay my taxes for.

This is not what I want NZ to uphold.

John Key must tell the Afghans “No way until you permit equal rights for all”.

BTW, how can anyone have faith in John Key as leader when he continually says “Afghanistanian”?

Is the the least eductaed PM ever?
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August 16, 2009 9:01am
Redbaiter

New York Times Best Sellers List (Non Fiction)

1 CULTURE OF CORRUPTION, by Michelle Malkin. (Regnery, $27.95.) President Obama and his team of tax cheats, petty crooks, influence peddlers and Wall Street cronies.

4 CATASTROPHE, by Dick Morris and Eileen McGann. (Harper/HarperCollins, $26.99.) Stopping President Obama before he transforms America into a socialist state and destroys the health care system.

5 LIBERTY AND TYRANNY, by Mark R. Levin. (Threshold Editions, $25.) A conservative manifesto from a talk-show host and president of Landmark Legal Foundation.

7 A BOLD FRESH PIECE OF HUMANITY, by Bill O’Reilly. (Broadway, $26.) The Fox News commentator on his upbringing and career. 10 41
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August 16, 2009 9:02am
starboard

….how refreshing..no holmes on Q&A this morn…no sweating…no smarmy smugness…
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August 16, 2009 9:03am
starboard

Is the the least eductaed

..look look in the mirror borky..
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August 16, 2009 9:12am
billyborker

What’s your point, redsterbator? Because a few books are being sold the election is null and void?

Unlike you, I often read books by those I precieve as my enemies, always helps to know what they’re thinking.

I wanted to read the same books as sarah palin, but when I asked her waht books she read she said “All of ’em” She has more time on her hands that i have on mine, what with being a quitter and all.
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August 16, 2009 9:17am
petal

@whafe, mortage rates for fixed mortgages recently went UP. This is a strong indication that the house buying business is booming and more booming is expected. I hate to say it, but with the way our country invests in property a capital gains tax is probably appropriate to control that continuous hot spot of economic pressure.
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August 16, 2009 9:20am
Redbaiter

Great video, (short) you won’t see stuff like this on TV One or TV 3. The power obsessed socialists are on the run as the sleeping giant finally awakens-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMj3eAgCtL0

Quite inspirational.
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August 16, 2009 9:22am
Simon

US stock market to crash.

Look at buying

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SDS
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August 16, 2009 9:23am
Whafe

petal – of course with the more or less tax free profit that can be made by real estate, the people of NZ are going to go this route.

You could well be correct re some sort CGT on real estate…..

My thing is that the real estate industry is far from booming.

And the first living brain donor billyborker finally educated me re the fact that this is how media makes there revenue…. I thank you from the bottom of my heart billy for explaining this…
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August 16, 2009 9:28am
billyborker

Redbaiter (7208) Vote: 0 0 Says:

August 16th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Great video, (short) you won’t see stuff like this on TV One or TV 3. The power obsessed socialists are on the run as the sleeping giant finally awakens-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMj3eAgCtL0

Quite inspirational.

Yes, quite inspirational. For those who prefer government by media. I prefer government by popular ballot.
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August 16, 2009 9:28am
Simon

Govt by media billybonker you are only right.

S&P 500 has a p/e ratio of 144.

http://www2.standardandpoors.com/portal/site/sp/en/us/page.topic/indices_500/2,3,2,2,0,0,0,0,0,1,11,0,0,0,0,0.html

It is game over. When it crashes you can thank Obama & the US media.
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August 16, 2009 9:36am
Glutaemus Maximus

““..Glutaemus Maximus (2141) Vote: Add rating 7 Subtract rating 0 Says:
August 15th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

Even better when the likes of Phool laughs in workers faces!

For having the decency of going to work, and trying to earn an honest crust..”

where did i say/do that..?

i have never said/done that..

could you stop just making shit up..?

oh..!..hang on..!..that’s what made-up-tara said eh..?

bit confused..?..are you..?

just drunk lots of piss..?..have you..?

(stand well clear..incoming sodden-rave..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)”

So Philu, as you hide behind your crack addiction, and pot abuse. You see fit to promote an idea, that I have had too much piss?

Really, given the time you spend on here, and on your own blogsite, and others!

Another type of addiction? Your dogs probably never see the light of day. What about your parental responsibilities? Do you spend any quality time with your offspring? Or are you just too self sbsorbed?

Perhaps you will reflect on what positive things you have contributed in your selfish life?

or are you happy being a total parasite?
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August 16, 2009 9:40am
Cerium

The Q&A on health seems premature as it was about a report not yet released that will assist with changes not yet decided.

It’s interesting that beyond the birth certificate farce the “angry awoken giant” in the US has chosen health as a focal point – their health system is by far the most expensive but highly dysfunctional – do those that are angry want to maintain that? Highly commercial, where denying health care is good for profits. And there are plenty of profits.

Is Tony Ryall supporting socialism? Or should he support the capitalist model, where only those can afford health care get it?
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August 16, 2009 9:42am
starboard

..I didnt realise the US Ambassedor was Virgil from Thunderbirds…
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August 16, 2009 9:51am
Owen McShane

Re Housing.
Interesting excerpt… http://www.rba.gov.au/Speeches/2009/sp-gov-280709.html

A very real challenge in the near term is the following: how to ensure that the ready availability and low cost of housing finance is translated into more dwellings, not just higher prices. Given the circumstances – the economy moving to a position of less than full employment, with labour shortages lessening and reduced pressure on prices for raw material inputs – this ought to be the time when we can add to the dwelling stock without a major run‑up in prices. If we fail to do that – if all we end up with is higher prices and not many more dwellings – then it will be very disappointing, indeed quite disturbing. Not only would it confirm that there are serious supply-side impediments to producing one of the things that previous generations of Australians have taken for granted, namely affordable shelter, it would also pose elevated risks of problems of over‑leverage and asset price deflation down the track.

When will someone here address the supply problem. Councils are publishing ever more restrictive plans and proposals for new housing estates are refused consent everyday.
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August 16, 2009 9:52am
Alan Wilkinson

I sincerely hope the ignorant fools that are agitating for a capital gains tax get as comprehensively hoist with their own petard as they deserve.

However, it will not make the slightest difference to house prices as has been proven everywhere else it has been introduced.

Owen: “When will someone here address the supply problem.”
Answer1: Never, they would have to grow a brain first.
Answer2: Of course the private sector would love to, but the bureaucracy has it throttled.
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August 16, 2009 10:10am
nickb

Wasn’t the makutu verdict a fucking joke.
Good to see that Maori cultural practises are now an absolute defence to murder and manslaughter.

Al least someone in Parliament had the nuts to say it, a sad indictment on the state of the right that it came from Trevor Mallard however. Well done anyway though Trev.
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August 16, 2009 10:12am
philu

gluty..i am not addicted to crack..

(i haven’t used/smoked crack in twenty years..

(and in a place a long way from here..)

i am an aging pot-head..

..that is all i use..

..i don’t drink alcohol..(maybe 2 beers a year..?

..last beer about 2 yrs ago..?

..are you clear on that..?

my dogs:

..my (vegan) dogs..aged 11 and six..gambol like puppies..

..have shiny coats/wet noses..

..and could do centrefolds for dog monthly..

..people are amazed the 11 yr old is that age..

..when walking on beachs/in parks the comment i usually get..

..is ‘they are beautiful puppies’..

they are my walking/barking advertisment for the vegan-lifestyle..(dog-branch)..

..and i testify off their backs..

..to people with ‘old’ six year old dogs..

..fed on dog-roll..(a.k.a..cows’ eyebrows)

..and..when they want to got out for a walk..

..they gang up on me/bully me..

are you clear on that..

..and as for you being a piss-head..?

it’s all in yr own words..eh..?

..when you come on here bragging of your consumption..

..so..meh..!

..eh..?

and stop just making shit up about me..

..you are only making yourself look rather foolish..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 16, 2009 10:16am
nickb

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2756912/Owner-roasts-family-pet-in-barbecue

Pretty fucking strange if you ask me. Don’t know whats weirder, the story itself, or its front page status with the headline “Dogs Dinner”
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August 16, 2009 10:17am
nickb

Almost as weird as the idea of a dog being a vegetarian…. ironic for someone that pretends to be at one and in harmony with mother nature, you would then go against the natural order of things completely by feeding a dog brussels sprouts and mesculun. Think that would be called “irony”
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August 16, 2009 10:19am
Redbaiter

“At least someone in Parliament had the nuts to say it, a sad indictment on the state of the right that it came from Trevor Mallard however.”

Yes, sad is correct, but do not mistake National for the “right”. Key’s advisors are mostly mainstream media driven liberals. There is nobody there with the ability to articulate any true right wing ideas, or talk about issues outside the lame TV One, TV 3, NZ Herald political paradigm.

National are just Labour with a dose of confusion.
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August 16, 2009 10:24am
philu

still strutting yr callow-ignorance there..?

oh first yr law-student..?

..and the dogs are vegan..not vegetarian..

but hey..you’ll be learning the first/baby-steps on how to manipulate facts..eh..?

in preperation for yr low-income-funded ‘education’..

in how to exploit/fuck people over..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 16, 2009 10:25am
Cerium

“Good to see that Maori cultural practises are now an absolute defence to murder and manslaughter.”

The Maori comment I have heard was that it did not represent Maori cultural practices. I also heard Maori saying that more Maori input into the sentencing may have resulted in a tougher sentence.
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August 16, 2009 10:28am
Glutaemus Maximus

Er where did I ever say that I could drink copious amounts of piss?

Still, you never answered the central question.

What ever have you done to make you feel proud?

With apologies to Heather Small.
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August 16, 2009 10:31am
philu

who made you hall monitor..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 16, 2009 10:37am
tom hunter

A deep thought demands a deep response:

Is ~~Tony Ryall~~ David Carter supporting socialism? Or should he support the capitalist model, where only those can afford ~~health care~~ food get it?
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August 16, 2009 10:39am
Glutaemus Maximus

Well Philu, for somebody that is a highly unpopular individual.

Save for a few tree hugging, lentil munching comptriots.

You appear to spend far too much time on your desolate, and boring website.

Then you come onto Kiwiblog to shamelessly linkwhore.

What a vacuous life. Sorry, but I must be pissed again.

Alcohol is a killer, and so is Pot.

Paranoid? You should be. Because most right minded folk find you repulsive.

The best, and most ironic is that you deign to think yourself a font of knowledge.

Sad really.

Perhaps one day this year you will go out of your pit and treat the dogs and offspring to some daylight.
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August 16, 2009 10:40am
Redbaiter

Good to see Communist scum like Matt McCarten wetting their pants over the rebellion against socialism in the US. He’s so frightened it might happen here. Just remember folks, anything that frightens Stalinists like McCarten has to be good for the country.

In his weekly Herald column he also says this about Sarah Palin-

“Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin claimed that the real agenda was to set up “Obama death panels” to decide who would live and die under socialised healthcare (that is, killing grandma). This nut job could have been a heartbeat away from the most powerful job on Earth.”

The left fear Sarah because she’s a part of the growing rebellion. Their fear is evident in their frantic and never ending attacks on her. Palin represents a reformed and re-energised Republican Party, with the socialist elements who have held sway there for so long marginalized. This is what panics the left, for their biggest successes have always come by means of Republican traitors. They know that if Palin can get rid of these traitors, the Democrats are toast.

As for what she said about Health Care, McCarten of course twists it into something else, but the funny thing is, while the left race to label Palin inexperienced and or a nut job (same old same old anyone a real threat to the left is automatically labeled insane), on this issue she beat the “highly intelligent and capable” community organiser completely.

By simply posting notes on her Facebook page Palin was able to force Obama to make major changes to his national Health Care policy and put the White House completely on the defense. This week, the Senate Finance Committee said it would not include advance care planning consultations in its health care bill.

Palin 1 Obama 0.

BTW, anyone want any t-shirts?

http://www.zazzle.com/aksarben/gifts
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August 16, 2009 11:00am
philu

just back from the park..

now lying in the sun..

..smiles on faces..

and just the occaisonal ‘thump’ from a tail hitting the floor..

any more lies for today gluty..?

or are you nearly done..?

hang on..!..i think ‘i’m ‘done’..eh..?

consider yrslf on ‘ignore’..

and are you saying you have never posted on this site..

..boasting at the (expensive) gluttony you are able to afford..?

..really..?

..and how is that waistline..?

..into the elasti-sides yet..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 16, 2009 11:07am
Cerium

Redbaiter what do you want your revolution to achieve? You have strong views, you must believe in something other than overthrowing democratic governments.
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August 16, 2009 11:07am
Glutaemus Maximus

Philu, you are indeed a lying toad.

Find any reference of me saying that I had had a fill of grog.

As for your 2 minute sojourn to a Park?

Pathetic.

You haven’t been able to mention once, what are you proud of achieving?

What have you ever done to improve the lives of others?
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August 16, 2009 11:13am
mattyroo

Simon Says:

“S&P 500 has a p/e ratio of 144.”

Yes that is correct, but that is calculated from Reported Earnings, you need to look at Operating Earnings, which gives a P/E of ~17.3, which is more like the long term average of 16.3

http://www.multpl.com/

Get it right before posting histrionics…..
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August 16, 2009 11:14am
billyborker

The left fear Sarah because she’s a part of the growing rebellion. Their fear is evident in their frantic and never ending attacks on her. Palin represents a reformed and re-energised Republican Party, with the socialist elements who have held sway there for so long marginalized. This is what panics the left, for their biggest successes have always come by means of Republican traitors. They know that if Palin can get rid of these traitors, the Democrats are toast.

Red, just this once I’ll agree with you.

I am left, and I Do fear Sarah Palin. But not for the reasons you think.

Palin represents America’s retreat from reason, from science and from humanity into a netherworld of ignorance, superstition and evil. If Palin were to prevail we would see a much diminished America, one quickly on its way down the toilet and to look very much like a chrisian version of Saudi Arabia.

The true left value education, reason and people

Palin represents ignorance, faith and selfishness.

Palin must be stopped because she represents all that is backward.
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August 16, 2009 11:18am
philu

red said..

“..The left fear Sarah because she’s a part of the growing rebellion..”

um..!..no..!..reddy..

..palin is in the same bag as that callow-faced youth who was a reagan-‘heartbeat’ away from the presidency..

quayle was his name..

and why..?

‘cos..

“..This nut job could/(would) have been a heartbeat away from the most powerful job on Earth.”

..and..

“Palin represents a reformed and re-energised Republican Party, with the socialist elements who have held sway there for so long marginalized..”

really..?

many republicana are mortified the fringe/la-la-right..

..in the forms of palin/limbaugh..

..are the current ‘faces’ of the republican party..

..they are seen as wreckers..

..and the republicans are in danger of being in the political wilderness for a long time/forever..

.(.for both the palin-factor..and demographic-changes/projections..)

..the ‘old white-guys party’ has just about done its’ dash..

..eh..?

..and you see her weighing in with the ‘death-panel’ allegations..

(something..btw..the private insurance industry already does..each and every day..)

..you see this as a ‘rallying’ call..?

..a ‘victory’..?

because she ‘forced’ the government to confirm they were not doing ‘death-panels.’.?

eh..?

(holy hollow/non-victory..!..batman.!..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 16, 2009 11:21am
philu

“..consider yrslf on ‘ignore’..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 16, 2009 11:25am
Herman Poole

But what are you for? If your revolution, your takeover of our government, is successful what can we look forward to?

what do you want your revolution to achieve? You have strong views, you must believe in something other than overthrowing democratic governments.

You’re more than just a little slow aren’t you Cerium.
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August 16, 2009 11:26am
Cerium

I think it is Redbaiter that is being deliberately slow. He avoids fronting up.

The impression he gives is that he is against anyone ideas that come from “the left”, Progressives, Socialists. Moderates. He wants “the silent giant” to revolt against these people.

The implication is that he wants everyone to share his political outlook, minimal government, shared rule by the people, a leveling of all people to his beliefs. Political socialism?
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August 16, 2009 11:54am
Whafe

Obama’s chocolate starfish will be getting more puckered as each week rolls on, to when the masses will resentfully realise he is a con……
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August 16, 2009 11:55am
philu

one for red..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/winston-churchill-was-a-bolshevik/

“..Arguably as much as any other British politician, it was Churchill who established “socialized medicine.”

Perhaps it is a forlorn hope that facts and history can make any impression on the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Chuck Grassley, or Bill Kristol..

.. but let’s try anyway —

– because it is worth understanding that despite the low quality of our own so-called conservatives..

.. there was once another kind..”

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 16, 2009 11:58am
Glutaemus Maximus

Another irrelevant and pretentious comment from the biggest loser in NZ.

What have you got in your life so far that gives you any credibility whatsoever?

You are just a pathetic specimen of humanity.

Got a loving relationship? Got a job? Proved yourself?

Oh, sorry forgot. You are a convicted criminal!
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August 16, 2009 12:02pm
nickb

From NOT PC archives, excellent;

A major scientific discovery:

A major research institution (MRI) has recently announced the discovery of the heaviest element yet known to science. The new element has been named “Governmentium,” extracted from samples of the mineral Bureaucratite.

Governmentium has 1 neutron, 12 deputy neutrons, 75 assistant neutrons, and 224 deputy assistant neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312. These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons.

Since Governmentium has no protons or electrons, it is inert. However, it can be detected, because it impedes every action with which it comes into contact. A reaction which would normally take less than a second to complete takes 4 days to complete after contact with just a minute amount of Governmentium — reactions which would normally take weeks, will take months.

Governmentium has a normal half-life of 3 years. It does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places. In fact, Governmentium’s mass will actually increase over time since each organisation will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes. This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to believe that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as “Critical Morass.”

When catalysed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium, an element that radiates just as much energy as Governmentium since it has half as many peons but twice as many morons.

Haha, gold
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August 16, 2009 12:05pm
Cerium

Are “Death Panels” the end of decency? Exploit people at their most vulnerable to try and subvert democracy?

“I am personally appalled and outraged that Republicans like the nitwit Palin and the showbiz demagogues Limbaugh and Hannity have chosen this particular subject to exploit. It is an issue that needs sunlight and careful explanation. It involves the saddest and most lonely moments of life”

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/08/12/death-panels/
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August 16, 2009 12:07pm
Patrick Starr

Hey Hall monitor – 5 of your 6 comments are having a go at redbaiter. Its pretty obvious he cant be bothered with you so why don’t you stop trying to bait him
(as you so often complain about others baiting on this blog?)
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August 16, 2009 12:10pm
Angus

Cerium is the most pharisaical member of all the lanthanides.
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August 16, 2009 12:21pm
Cerium

I’m not baiting Patrick. I’m asking for him to provide his version of what he stands for.

This is potentially a major issue. I think it is something that deserves debate, not blind acceptance. Currently there is an attempt running in the US to force an elected President out of office. What if they stir the rabid sheep enough to create mayhem over there? What will do for the US? What will it do for the US economy? What will it do for the world economy? What will it do for the NZ economy?

There is a group of people that want their own way. They don’t care about the health of their people. They don’t care about the good of vulnerable elderly. They don’t care about the good of their country. They want their own way, by any means.

There are some in NZ who want to take the same approach. It could happen. Especially as no one seems concerned about open calls for anger, revolution.

Has anyone cared to think what there would be after a revolution?
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August 16, 2009 12:33pm
thedavincimode

Angus; quite right.

But “Hall Monitor” conveys all of that and more, without causing all and sundry to go rummaging through the dictionary.
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August 16, 2009 12:49pm
PaulL

Palin and Obama are sides of the same coin. Both are “diversity” candidates – Obama sort of black, Palin most definitely a woman. Both are light weights with nothing much interesting to say, but very exciting to their base because what they do say is mostly platitudes that appeal to their existing prejudices. Neither think all that hard about their policies or promises, so long as they tie in to existing belief systems.

As such, I support Palin about as much as I do Obama. I’m waiting for the candidate on either side of American politics that has some actual policies, some ability to do what’s correct rather than what is ideological, some ability to see when the emperor has no clothes. For example, with the bail outs of US companies. It was blindingly obvious that companies that should have gone to the wall were being bailed out. Or with the stimulus package. Irrespective of whether you agree any stimulus was needed, it was blindingly obvious that it had turned into old fashioned pork barreling that had little to do with stimulus. It should have been killed. And, btw, Bush was no bloody better.

Maybe Mitt Romney, if people can get past that Mormonism.
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August 16, 2009 1:42pm
Herman Poole

Did you vote Cerium? If so, how could you be so selfish as to impose your political opinions onto the lives of others. Do you really expect our country to be governed by a leader of your choosing.
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August 16, 2009 1:54pm
Herman Poole

Cerium,

What those of us to the right of John Key would like is value for money.

If we don’t recieve quality services from our tax dollar, then we don’t want to pay a high price.

We observe, that throughout history, governments are like Dancing With The Stars, only a much reduced amount of the money given to it, gets to the intended recipients which are selected by the ruling elite. A healthy society, according to us, is one where we go directly to our neighbours for the giving and receiving of charity rather than through a middle man.

That society looks like the people in it. Which may be not so easy for Phoolu, but is a much better future for those that help themselves and the communities around them.
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August 16, 2009 2:11pm
Cerium

Redbaiter August 15th, 2009 at 8:18 am: “Contempt and anger now flows freely in American streets and townhalls. The revolution is underway.

As Progressivism came here from the US, so will this revolution come to NZ, and the same contempt and anger, driven by betrayal and powerlessness, will be seen in NZ streets. I’d say its five to ten years away, but for those who like myself seek its early arrrival, I say keep up the fight. Keep boring holes in the hull. The NZ ship of socialism will eventually founder and sink under the same flood of anger and contempt that is apparent in the US.

We, the would be mutineers and rebels, can take so much heart from what is happening in America.”

Redbaiter August 3rd, 2009 at 11:21 am: “There will be revolution. If he won’t go, this cheating lying communist thug has to be removed by force.”

Redbaiter July 18th, 2009 at 1:09 pm :”Where you have voted yourself into tyranny and a sick downward spiral of crime welfarism and violence that as other posters above point out, there is little chance of escaping from (I think) without violent revolution.”

Suggestions like that are a little different from exercising a democratic right to vote.
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August 16, 2009 2:13pm
Herman Poole

There is a group of people that want their own way. They don’t care about the health of their people. They don’t care about the good of vulnerable elderly. They don’t care about the good of their country. They want their own way, by any means.

Damn Democrats
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August 16, 2009 2:14pm
racer1

So redbaiter and the rest of kiwiblog for that matter. Would you support the town hell terrorists murdering pro-obama care protesters, in order to defeat the bill, for a better America of course.
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August 16, 2009 2:19pm
Herman Poole

Suggestions like that are a little different from exercising a democratic right to vote.

Do you think the right to protest should be removed?

Did you disapprove of the ‘revolution’ called for by the Vietnam War Protests?
What did you think of the Black Power salute given by the African American athletes at the Olympics?
What do you think of Greenpeace’s interference with Japanese whaling vessels?

Or would you prefer the Gulag for dissenters?
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August 16, 2009 2:20pm
Viking2

How to twist words and meanings.
Judging by the voting didn’t fool anyone.

http://www.sunlive.co.nz/index.aspx
Should the anti-smacking law (Abolition of Force as a Justification for Child Discipline Act) be scrapped?
Yes, scrap it
No, keep it
It needs revision
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August 16, 2009 2:39pm
Herman Poole

Cerium,

How is it that, even though you deny it, you consistently side with the left on most issues, yet you don’t even understand the other point of view, or even know what the alternatives are?
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August 16, 2009 2:47pm
Viking2

The DPB: The Unfortunate Experiment

http://www.nzcpr.com/weekly193.htm
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August 16, 2009 2:59pm
Cerium

“How is it that, even though you deny it, you consistently side with the left on most issues, yet you don’t even understand the other point of view, or even know what the alternatives are?”

Can you cite an example?
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August 16, 2009 3:49pm
Herman Poole

Can you cite an example?

Is your memory shot Cerium? Have you been hanging out with Philu?

it is always against things, and never says what it actually proposes to replace it with.

But what are you for? If your revolution, your takeover of our government, is successful what can we look forward to?

Or is your plan not to tell us what your plan is?
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August 16, 2009 4:11pm
Cerium

Not without trying Herman – how can I know what he won’t say?
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August 16, 2009 4:17pm
philu

and we are living in ‘the age of stupidity’..eh..?

..and we are the ‘stupid ones’..

..(esp. our political leaders..)

they are squaring up to go down in the history books as the worst villians of all time..

..nero fiddling while rome burnt is chump-change..

..to these turkeys..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/video-the-making-of-the-age-of-stupid-climate-change-film/

..a new zealand producer on this (soon-to-be-released) doco..

..(which features pete postlewhaite in 2055…looking back at 2008..’the age of stupidy’…that’s us..!..folks..!)

..presents this doco on ‘the making of…

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 16, 2009 4:27pm
philu

and our (soon to be universally reviled/loathed) political leaders..

..are doing s.f.a…for shortsighted ‘economic-reasons’..

..because they are not looking at the big picture…

..and are the prisoners of ‘special’/vested-interests..

..and are as guilty as hell of just standing by..hoses in hand..

..as the house burns down..

(those who knew..and could..but didn’t..are going to be the blackest characters in our history..

..this is how history will view key/this government/and the clark government..

..they all know/knew..

..and depite the catastrophic outcomes fast looming..

..did nothing..)

phi;l(whoar.co.nz)
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August 16, 2009 5:16pm
thedavincimode

oh fuck off mini man-magpie.

You need a new tune. It might be the weather or the Mallard thing, but even your rank stupidity doesn’t seem as funny today. Its a sorry state of affairs when I can’t even laugh at you. Can’t even be bothered giving you the thumbs down.
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August 16, 2009 5:20pm
philu

what’s to ‘laugh’ at..?

you are just going on the record as being a total fool..

meh..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 16, 2009 5:47pm
Steve

Phool,

Once we laughed at your drug induced comments and stupidity.
Nobody cares about you now.
They did not care today, they did not care yesterday and they will not care tomorrow.
They did not care last week and they will not care next week.
They did not care last year, they do not care this year and they will not care next year.

You are a stupid prick.
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August 16, 2009 5:49pm
Herman Poole

how can I know what he won’t say?

If you don’t know what the right wing is then you surely cheer for the left because you are unaware of other ideas.

Try googling ‘capitilism’, ‘freedom’, ‘liberty’
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August 16, 2009 5:52pm
philu

hello bryan spondre..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 16, 2009 5:54pm
Steve

The Americans are waiting for your input to their Sunday Papers. They want to know what’s going on in NZ via your blog.
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August 16, 2009 5:55pm
thedavincimode

oi, mini-man Magpie

How many times do I have to tell you that your shitlistometer isn’t working?

FFS, its not like you’ve got anything else to do all day.

Or are you busy tidying up that spot on the couch next to you so that Magpie Jnr can follow in Daddy’s footsteps?
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August 16, 2009 5:55pm
thedavincimode

Shit Steve. If that’s the case, they’ll use us for nuclear testing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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August 16, 2009 5:57pm
Steve

One can only wish for a bomb under certain people
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August 16, 2009 6:08pm
Steve

Blow his fucking brains out!! nope, sorry, that has been done
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August 16, 2009 6:09pm
philu

and speaking of ‘vested-interests’ controlling environmental policies..

the right in britain are doing the same as the key govt..

and keys’ fly-in-buddy..”the billionaire Tory financial backer Lord Ashcroft”..

..also features in this one..

..go figure..!..eh..?

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/british-tory-leader-in-troublea-millionaire-steel-industrialist-has-toldhow-he-helped-to-shape-mr-camerons-energy-policythen-there-are-the-flights/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 16, 2009 6:58pm
Herman Poole

Philu,

How much money did you steal from us this week?

When is your daughter going to give you a job?
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August 16, 2009 7:11pm
Chthoniid

@thedavincimode

…You need a new tune. It might be the weather or the Mallard thing, but even your rank stupidity doesn’t seem as funny today. Its a sorry state of affairs when I can’t even laugh at you. Can’t even be bothered giving you the thumbs down.

And with that my young jedi, the journey is complete.
Welcome to our world 🙂
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August 16, 2009 7:41pm
Steve

Yeah Chthoniid, I have had enough as well.
🙂
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August 16, 2009 8:38pm
thedavincimode

Fear not oh spiderythingyman. Steve @ 5.55pm put a smile back on the dial. Well, that, plus more operator error on the Magpie’s shitlistometer.

I am reborn … so back to the shallow end: “Fuck off Phil.”

Ah, that’s much better!
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August 16, 2009 8:46pm
Steve

General Debate tomorrow:
“Fuck off Phool”
Just hammer the stupid prick all day, ignorance is not working
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August 16, 2009 9:33pm
philu

“..ignorance is not working.”

in your case..no..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 16, 2009 10:11pm
Redbaiter

List of high profile birthers-

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2317112/posts
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August 16, 2009 10:23pm
Redbaiter

The woman who is the second most hated by the left. (after Palin)

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106941

Why I’d like to see a Palin/ Bachmann ticket in 2012.
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August 16, 2009 10:31pm
Hurf Durf

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHA

http://order-order.com/2009/08/15/obama-agrees-with-hannan-he-dont-love-the-nhs/

UK Lab just got egg on its face.
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August 17, 2009 1:39am
Hurf Durf

Phool thinks Churchill was a bolshevik? The sheer audacity of that statement makes my head hurt. You really are a fucking idiot.
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