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August 14, 2009 8:00am by David Farrar

General Debate 14 August 2009

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Hurf Durf

Topic for debate: why are Green Party supporters so fucking snobby and self-righteous?

Yes, I voted for ACT, bitch. Get over it.
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August 14, 2009 6:54pm
Steve

Rex,
Scare the fuck out of them is a good thing.
Who is monitoring Phool?
Glut and Murry left because they had a gutsfull, they will be back when the parasite is banned I hope.
I like being here, but only a few protest about the stupid prick. Most just move on, be complacent and hope he will go.
Trouble is David Farrah’s blog suffers because some leave, and those who stay become defensive not meaning to be, just that a fuckwit upsets them. The mood is changed because of one stupid prick.

Steve.
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August 14, 2009 7:06pm
Viking2

BB will luv this.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10590830
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August 14, 2009 7:19pm
getstaffed

re Cerium’s pathetic defence of femmanized education upthread – Pal, you know as well as the next person that the issue has nothing to do with who’s in the profession (men vs women) and, like CraigM pointed out, everything to do with what is being taught. Year after year schools are instructed to pick up socially-driven agenda squeezing out essential basics such as numeracy and literacy. Your socialist chums are a-ok with this of course, because it turns our generation after generation with nil job skills but ‘thankfully’ a need to vote left to maintain their welfare
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August 14, 2009 7:32pm
side show bob

getstaffed my daughter comes home with homework that asks her how she feels about certain things. Tick smiley face for good, sad for unhappy and also a angry face if she does not like. God it’s a load of shit. My son came home a few years ago with a book, something like “why does Johnny have two dads. I had to sign his homework sheet and there is extra space for comments. Suffice to say I’m not to popular with a few teachers at the kids school. Quite frankly I don’t give a flying fuck. I found that while some teachers welcome parent participation some DO NOT welcome dissenters to the socialist way.
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August 14, 2009 7:47pm
Cerium

I’m not trying to defend anything, just asking for more than sweeping statements that seem a bit extreme.

Can anyone point to any details on what has happened to our education system and why and how? I’m interested. I find it surprising that people are saying that there has been a deliberate and forceful feminisation of our education, implying that men have just rolled over and let it happen.
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August 14, 2009 7:52pm
nickb

Was trawling through the Not PC archives, and found an absolute gem that is very relevant to our times at the moment. The letter is to Barack Obama, similar to Joe the Plumber. I apologise for the length:

“Given the uproar about the simple question asked you by Joe the plumber, and the persecution that has been heaped on him because he dared to question you, I find myself motivated to say a few things to you myself. . . Let me introduce myself. You can call me “Cory the Well Driller”. I am a 54 year old high school graduate. . . I started my own water well drilling business at a time when the economy here in East Texas was in a tailspin from the crash of the early 80’s oil boom. I didn’t get any help from the government, nor did I look for any. . .
2 years after that, I made another business loan, this time for $250,000.00, to buy another used drilling rig and all the support equipment needed to run another, larger, drill rig. This provided another 2 full time jobs for East Texans. Again, I spent a couple of years not knowing if I had made a smart move, or a move that would bankrupt me. For the third time in 13 years, I had placed everything I owned on the line, risking everything, in order to build a business. . .
No government programs were there to help me, Mr. Obama, but that’s okay, I didn’t expect any, nor did I want any. I was too busy fighting to make success happen to sit around waiting for the government to help me.
[After many years of stress and hard work developing the reputation for being the most competent and most honest water well driller and mud pump manufacturer in East Texas — I do have a stent in my heart now to memorialize it all –] my combined businesses now employ 32 full time employees, and distribute $5,000,000.00 annually through the local economy.
Now, just 4 months ago I borrowed $1,254,000.00, purchasing computer controlled machining equipment to start my 4th business, a production machine shop. The machine shop will serve the mud pump company so that we can better manufacture our pumps that are being shipped worldwide. Of course, the machine shop will also do work for outside companies as well. This has already produced 2 more full time jobs, and 2 more should develop out of it in the next few months.
This should work out, but if it doesn’t it will be because you, and the other professional politicians like yourself, will have destroyed our country’s (and the world’s) economy with your meddling with mortgage loan programs through your liberal manipulation and intimidation of loaning institutions to make sure that unqualified borrowers could get mortgages.
You see, at the very time when I couldn’t get a business loan to get my mud pumps into production, you were working with ACORN and the Community Reinvestment Act programs to make sure that unqualified borrowers could buy homes with no down payment, and even no credit or worse yet, bad credit. Even the infamous, liberal, Ninja loans (No Income, No Job or Assets). While these unqualified borrowers were enjoying unrealistically low interest rates, I was paying 22% to 24% interest on the credit cards that I had used to provide me the funds for the mud pump business that has created jobs for more East Texans.
It’s funny, because after 25 years of turning almost every dime of extra money back into my businesses to grow them, it has been only in the last two years that I have finally made enough money to be able to put a little away for retirement, and now the value of that has dropped 40% because of the policies you and your ilk have perpetrated on our country.
You see, Mr. Obama, I’m the guy you intend to raise taxes on. I’m the guy who has spent 25 years toiling and sweating, fretting and fighting, stressing and risking, to build a business and get ahead. I’m the guy who has been on the very edge of bankruptcy more than a dozen times over the last 25 years, and all the while creating more and more jobs for East Texans who didn’t want to take a risk, and would not demand from themselves what I have demanded from myself. I’m the guy you characterize as “the Americans who can afford it the most” that you believe should be taxed more to provide income redistribution “to spread the wealth” to those who have never toiled, sweated, fretted, fought, stressed, or risked anything. You want to characterize me as someone who has enjoyed a life of privilege and who needs to pay a higher percentage of my income than those who have bought into your entitlement culture.
I resent you, Mr. Obama, as I resent all who want to use class warfare as a tool to advance their political career. What’s worse, each year more Americans buy into your liberal entitlement culture, and turn to the government for their hope of a better life instead of themselves. Liberals are succeeding through more than 40 years of collaborative effort between the predominant liberal media, and liberal indoctrination programs in the public school systems across our land.
Here is what is so terribly sad about this. America was made great by people who embraced the one-time American culture of self reliance, self motivation, self determination, self discipline, personal betterment, hard work, risk taking. A culture built around the concept that success was in reach of every able bodied American who would strive for it. Each year that fewer Americans embrace that culture, we all descend together. We descend down the socialist path that has brought country after country ultimately to bitter and unremarkable states. If you and your liberal comrades in the media and school systems would spend half as much effort cultivating a culture of can-do across America as you do cultivating your entitlement culture, we could see Americans at large embracing the conviction that they can elevate themselves through personal betterment, personal achievement, and self reliance. You see, when people embrace such ideals, they act on them. When people act on such ideals, they succeed. All of America could find herself elevating instead of deteriorating. But that would eliminate the need for liberal politicians, wouldn’t it, Mr. Obama? The country would not need you if the country was convinced that problem solving was best left with individuals instead of the government. You and all your liberal comrades have got a vested interested in creating a dependent class in our country. It is the very business of liberals to create an ever expanding dependence on government. What’s remarkable is that you, who have never produced a job in your life, are going to tax me to take more of my money and give it to people who wouldn’t need my money if they would get off their entitlement mentality asses and apply themselves at work, demand more from themselves, and quit looking to liberal politicians to raise their station in life. . .
In short, Mr. Obama, your political philosophies represent everything that is wrong with our country. You represent the culture of government dependence instead of self reliance; Entitlement mentality instead of personal achievement; Penalization of the successful to reward the unmotivated; Political correctness instead of open mindedness and open debate. If you are successful, you may preside over the final transformation of America from being the greatest and most self-reliant culture on earth, to just another country of whiners and wimps, who sit around looking to the government to solve their problems. Like all of western Europe. All countries on the decline. All countries that, because of liberal socialistic mentalities, have a little less to offer mankind every year.
God help us…”
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August 14, 2009 9:28pm
Andrew W

Agree entirely Owen, I would extend that reasoning to point out that it can be argued that there is an instinct for those at the bottom of the social structure to raise hard, rebellious kids, because in small primitive cultures those are the sorts of people who will grow into adults who’re able to battle their way to the top. Not such a great evolution produced strategy in todays ‘civilised’ society.
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August 14, 2009 9:43pm
getstaffed

nickb – The author is one of those ‘rick pricks’.

Socialism calls for him and his ilk to be shamelessly vilified in public, and economically violated in private.
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August 14, 2009 9:46pm
getstaffed

Further to that letter, if there are so many disenfranchised risk-takers and entrepreneurs in countries that are succumbing to creeping socialism, imagine the scale of opportunity that exists for a country that creates schemes to encourage immigration of these people. 1-2year tax free status for start-up business that employs 10+ staff etc etc. How many next-generation Larry Page’s, Sergey Brin’s, Steve Job’s would move to such a country? Would this be good for NZ. I think so.
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August 14, 2009 9:53pm
nickb

Haha agree staffed. Well put
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August 14, 2009 10:01pm
nickb

That’s what I think sometimes staffed. Someone should buy an island in the Pacific and make it into a new country haha. The libertarian paradise
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August 14, 2009 10:02pm
Hurf Durf

That repulsive lunatic Chris Pigfoot whines about the politics of envy (yes, it does exist, it’s cancerous, and you promote it) and gets butthurt about the Orange Revolution simply because it brought about a pro-Western government in Ukraine (scum like Pigfoot like it when only the West’s enemies make gains on the international stage). Why does he get printed?
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August 14, 2009 11:01pm
thedavincimode

Paulus

“Do mainstream TV realise that there are many people (forgive the heresy) who do not care one stuff for Rugby.”

What if they did? Isn’t it a bit like asking if they realise that there are many people who would appreciate journalism and do not care one stuff for the crap that they pass off as journalism?

Or asking if the NZRFU realises that there are many people who used to give a stuff for what used to be rugby and now do not give one stuff about the ineptly managed spin-driven excuse-ridden new wave PC silly dancing girls fireworks music clip bullshit photo op sensationalised headline wanked soap opera with completely fucked up rules that it now endeavours to pass off as rugby.
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August 15, 2009 6:04am
philu

“..# nickb (215) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
August 14th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

That’s what I think sometimes staffed. Someone should buy an island in the Pacific and make it into a new country haha.The libertarian paradise..”

it’s already happening..!

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/seasteading-libertarians-set-to-launch-a-wet-dream-of-freedom-in-international-waters/

“..A fringe brand of libertarians have been planning to escape the iron fist of democracy by founding a new country in the middle of the ocean.

Ever since the Democrats’ November rout, various factions of the conservative movement have demonstrated widely varied but always amusing methods of coping.

The economic conservatives have held tea-bagging summits..

.. where they protested President Barack Obama for raising their taxes .. even though he didn’t actually raise their taxes.

The neoconservatives have formed a virtual death cult surrounding Dick Cheney and torture advocacy that’s eerily reminiscent of the bomb worshipers in Beneath the Planet of the Apes.

The militia wing of the movement, meanwhile, has devolved into bizarre conspiracies about Obama’s birth certificate ..

.. or outright public weeping.

Gone largely unnoticed, however, has been a fringe brand of libertarians who have been planning to escape the iron fist of democracy by founding a new country in the middle of the ocean.

Before I continue, I’d like to point out that while I’m not a libertarian..

.. I do value the contributions that they make to our political discourse..”

the whoar search-engine ..eh..?..it just delivers..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 15, 2009 8:22am
Hurf Durf

So many strawmen in Phool’s lunacy he could start a farm.
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August 15, 2009 3:26pm

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