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Hurf Durf

Your sheets are looking a bit wet there, racer.
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August 10, 2009 9:12pm
philu

ha ha !..stuffed..!

shall we replay some of your greatest hits..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 10, 2009 9:14pm
thedavincimode

Well, just when you think its amusing and thats all there is, Carter makes it even funnier. This has all the hallmarks of another cunning plan from the drawing board of that master of the exploding shoe in the mouth – the flapping pointless seagull.

Much more of this and nobody will be able to remember what the REAL issue is … (hmmm … just a minute …)
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August 10, 2009 9:16pm
racer1

Distinct lack of neighbors close lines on my deck where the observations relating to that comment of yours, which you already know. Of course, being such a regular liar to others, you have no problem lying to yourself.
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August 10, 2009 9:18pm
racer1

“Herman Poole
Agreed, getstaffed.

There is no moral ground high enough to justify this.”

Wahh wahh have a cry.
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August 10, 2009 9:19pm
nickb

Philu can you explain again why a dope smoking lifelong beneficiary is an authority on economics?
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August 10, 2009 9:22pm
racer1

He has a better track record than any of you lot?
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August 10, 2009 9:25pm
Patrick Starr

you mean he has bigger ‘tracks’ and a “record” than any of us
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August 10, 2009 9:29pm
nickb

haha Patrick.
Kiwiblogs gone to shit since DPF left.

We miss you DPF, dont be gone tooo long
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August 10, 2009 9:32pm
Haiku Dave

go phil, every
time someone mentions weed or
dole, you score a point
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August 10, 2009 9:34pm
philu

i am not an ‘authority’..

i’m just not in economc-denial ..vis a vis the meltdown..as are most..

and i am keeping an eye on what is going down..

(ahem..!..it’s called whoar.co.nz

would you like the links/evidence for the (upcoming) commercial real estate+money-bubbles meltdowns..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 10, 2009 9:35pm
tom hunter

Aww come on guys – lay off racer1 – you’ve got to let him get it out of his system. Every time he stamps his foot in outrage it’s accompanied by a kneejerk assertion born of his fundamental class prejudices.

Speaking of which there were a couple of classic examples when I posted my first comments on Pearlstein on the weekend and got these two responses:

Many US politicians are driven by money and it isn’t difficult to turn a few (it only takes one) but putting the shitters up their fundraising committee.
AND
…democrats who are really republicans in drag…and these are who the healthcare industry has ‘bought’..these blue-dogs have received large amounts of campaign-contributions’….to ‘buy’ their vote/opposition to healthcare..

And no sooner had these old wheezes been written than…. well…. “Look what the New York Times says”

The drug industry has authorized its lobbyists to spend as much as $150 million on television commercials supporting President Obama’s health care overhaul, beginning over the August Congressional recess, people briefed on the plans said Saturday.
…..
Few expect the opponents of the health care overhaul to muster as much advertising muscle as its backers, including sympathetic business groups, labor unions and ideological allies. The drug makers stand to gain millions of new customers from the expansion of health care coverage.
…..
All of the commercials closely echo common Democratic themes about medical care for all, consumer protection and “health insurance reform.”

Really. You have to laugh about the Left’s delusions
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August 10, 2009 9:41pm
racer1

“tom hunter
Speaking of which there were a couple of classic examples when I posted my first comments on Pearlstein on the weekend and got these two responses:

Many US politicians are driven by money and it isn’t difficult to turn a few (it only takes one) but putting the shitters up their fundraising committee.
AND
…democrats who are really republicans in drag…and these are who the healthcare industry has ‘bought’..these blue-dogs have received large amounts of campaign-contributions’….to ‘buy’ their vote/opposition to healthcare..”

Funny though that you lot deny the exact same allegations over climate change.
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August 10, 2009 9:50pm
nickb

Racer you are an idiot.
Most likely some bored teenage spotty student politician, unionist or political science student, as only someone with your,level of fuckwittery and left wing stupidness could possibly be
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August 10, 2009 9:51pm
philu

ncb you are a fucken spotty-faced teenage-wannabe lawyer..

claiming the moral high ground.are you..?

whoar..!

you are slightly above pond-scum..

..your ambitions guarantee that..

(i wanna graduate and fuck people over..and charge them ’till their eyes water..!..)

(looking forward to becoming an honorary aussie..?..when you graduate..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 10, 2009 9:57pm
racer1

Wrong on all accounts. Not that that would stop you claiming otherwise.
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August 10, 2009 9:57pm
racer1

Oh dear, about that new auditor general, let the frothing begin!
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August 10, 2009 10:04pm
nickb

Ironic that if the two biggest lefty green trolls were to shut up once in a while we might be able to set some more ambitious greenhouse gas emissions targets.

You’re both full of shit. Bullies that want to shut down debate. And don’t say thats what the righties here try and do. We’d get along fine if you werent such abusive, mindless idiots.

Phil you are the biggest drain on the economy most of here would know, and I wouldnt mind betting racer is along the same lines.
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August 10, 2009 10:05pm
racer1

You would also be wrong, fancy that.
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August 10, 2009 10:15pm
philu

wot..?..a bigger ‘drain’ than double-dip-dipton..?

..or the other wellington troughers..?

no way..!

he is a master..!

they are masters..!

not so much ‘drains’..as culverts..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 10, 2009 10:18pm
philu

not so much economic-‘drains..

..as culverts..

..eh..?

great funnels of money..going 24 hrs a day..365 days a year..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 10, 2009 10:22pm
nickb

Yes, a bigger drain.
A question I have for you phil, is on what philiosophical or moral grounds do you justify accepting hundreds of dollards of taxpayers money per week? This is a serious question. Apart from the fact that you have a school aged son (pathertic excuse IMO) on what grounds do you think people should have half of what they earnt taken from them by thr government, by force, to pay for your lifestyle?

Eargerly await your reply
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August 10, 2009 10:26pm
Hurf Durf

Racer and phool locked in a shipping container with knives. Two possibly men enter, one possibly man leaves. Which one?
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August 10, 2009 10:26pm
philu

and has anyone done that stat comparison..

as from..say..1990..

a comparison between how much the minimum and average wages have gone up..

..and how much politicians incomes have gone up over that time..

..whoar..!

..eh..?

‘looking after number one’..is their theme-song..eh..?

..all of them..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 10, 2009 10:29pm
racer1

“nickb
half of what they earnt”

Fail.
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August 10, 2009 10:36pm
Hurf Durf

TVNZ letting John Minto wax lyrical about Afghanistan, gave us the standard anti-Western Marxist conspiracy theories. Nice work, state broadcaster. Remember when this was “the good war”? Or is sending SAS troops to Afghanistan go against our “independent” (see: pro-Chinese, anti-Western) foreign policy?
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August 10, 2009 10:36pm
philu

ncb..u r a fucken student..

and as such..are currently receiving a massive subsidy from low-income tax-payers..

..to fund yr way to becoming a scumbag rip-off fucken lawyer..

..kinda ‘shaky-ground’ you are on there..eh..?

..to be pointing any fingers on economic-drain grounds..

go on..!..stump up the full cost everyone else is paying for you..

..to become that pimple on the carbunkle on the body of humanity..

..and i must admit..(hearkening back to that economic-prediction stuff..)

i do get a little squirt of schadenfreude..at how fucken useless yr law degree will be..

..in the new/different world we all face..

(you could maybe use it to start a fire..some cold night..eh..?)

you see nb..you are the sad/tragedy-in-waiting here..

i’m telling you..!

..go take up a gardening aprenticeship..!

do something useful..

you really want to be a ‘lawyer’..?

..that’s your ambition for yr life..?

..and greed..?..that’d be the only reason..eh..?

it’s hardly a ‘calling’..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 10, 2009 10:38pm
nickb

Racer when you are earning the top 38% rate, paying 12.5% GST on everything you buy, and having money in the bank being taxed at 38%, you can obviuosly end up paying far more than half you earning in tax, it is clearly possible.

So I would say that your lack of knowledge of the tax system would equal “fail”, you fuckwit.
As does your total lack of rational debate in all your argument.
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August 10, 2009 10:40pm
philu

what the world needs..

more money-grubbing scumbag/douchebag rightwing lawyers..

(wot..?..will you be a slum landlord on the side..?

..y’know..to maintain/continue the theme of yr life..?..

..a pawnshop in sth auckland..?

..a little bar/pokie-house next to it..?

y’know..!..live the life..!..eh..?)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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August 10, 2009 10:43pm
Cerium

You don’t pay 38% (plus EP to about 108k) on everything, just earnings over 70k. We have graduated tax.
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August 10, 2009 10:44pm
nickb

Haha I feel some envy phil.
And as I have clearly stated in previous posts, I would gladly and eagerly forgo such a heavliy subsidised tertiary education (which I agree is ridiculous) if my parents hadnt been slaves to the tax system their whole lives.

If the government is going to rob my parents their entire working life to subsidise selfish derelict parents like you, seems kinda fair I can have a cheap education.

And Pot. Kettle. Black. The state subsidised you to do a Masters in.. politics! hahahaha I cant stop laughing. Almost as good an investment as throwing our money at you week after week for sitting on your arse.

What a joke.
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August 10, 2009 10:45pm
nickb

Yea I realise that. But it can get up to an average rate of over 30% if your earning 6 figures.
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August 10, 2009 10:47pm
Hurf Durf

and as such..are currently receiving a massive subsidy from low-income tax-payers..

..to fund yr way to becoming a scumbag rip-off fucken lawyer..

Whereas you are currently receiving a massive subsidy from low-income tax-payers to fund your way to becoming New Zealand’s best 34-ranked blogsite.
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August 10, 2009 10:47pm
nickb

And havent answered my question phil
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August 10, 2009 10:48pm
racer1

“# Hurf Durf
our “independent” (see: pro-Chinese, anti-Western) foreign policy?”

Fail. There really must be red’s under your bed. Do you live in Tauranga also?
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August 10, 2009 10:52pm
racer1

“nickb
and having money in the bank being taxed at 38%”

What?
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August 10, 2009 10:55pm
Hurf Durf

Fail.

Actually, no, correct is what you mean.

Also reds is a plural and thus has no apostrophe. And I’ve checked, only thing I found was a load of spiders I thereby christened “a gaggle of racers.”
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August 10, 2009 10:55pm
nickb

RWT, tax on interest. Have you never heard of this? Not surprising.
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August 10, 2009 10:56pm
racer1

“Hurf Durf

Actually, no, correct is what you mean.”

I mean Fail. You are a moron.

“nickb

RWT, tax on interest. Have you never heard of this? Not surprising.”

cf.

“nickb
and having money in the bank being taxed at 38%”

Interest vs money in the bank? Are you retarded?
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August 10, 2009 11:00pm
nickb

Are you that retarded that you did not get my point in the first place?

You clearly have no rebuttal to my point that a person can easily have over 50% of his earnings taken in the form of taxes.

Do you now racer? Looks like that political science degree hasnt done much for you in the way of reasoning skills
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August 10, 2009 11:03pm
Hurf Durf

The lights are on, the curtains are open, but Mr Racer’s brain has long since emigrated.
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August 10, 2009 11:04pm
Patrick Starr

“ncb..u r a fucken student..”

yep, and more than likely going to do something productive with his education. You see Philuliar, most taxpayers don’t mind subsidising education to get promising students ahead
…….BTW what did you do with the taxpayer funded free education you received Philuliar?

Fuckall. thats what you did – you did fuckall !. You continue to remain a bit of useless fucken pondscum on society, no worth to anyone or anything
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August 10, 2009 11:05pm
nickb

Haha agreed Hurf. Talk about slow.
More brain, less bluster please racer and philu
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August 10, 2009 11:06pm
Patrick Starr

If the lights are on, and the curtains are open he’ll MTL be out peeping
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August 10, 2009 11:10pm
racer1

Income $250,000 (before tax), gst on $80,000 out goings, the remaining $81,960 in the bank earning something around 5% pa, adding up the income tax and the gst on those 2 items you, all up you’re paying around 39.5% of your income as tax, very very few people are paying half their income each year as tax.
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August 10, 2009 11:18pm
nickb

Plus GST on all your spent income, tax on alcohol, tax on cigarettes, tax on petrol, rates, ACC earners levies, road user charges, the list of nanny state pickpocketing goes on and on. So I think it would be quite easy actually racer
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August 10, 2009 11:22pm
racer1

Earning 500k, and the gst on spending every cent not taxed as income tax and you are only at 45%. I is possible that one could end up with half of their income going go the govt as tax, but you a clearly deluded if you think it is in anyway the norm. I hate to say it, but I think you need a dose of the real world.
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August 10, 2009 11:28pm
nickb

And where is the rest of the money? In the bank, being taxed at 38%? Hence my point?
Use your brain racer, there must be one up there somewhere
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August 10, 2009 11:34pm
racer1

No you half-wit, it is not being taxed at 38% the interest is, ffs.

(my 11.18 reads like I had not accounted for interest to be taxed, I did how ever caculate 39.5% using 38% though, possibly what you are referring to?)
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August 10, 2009 11:40pm
nickb

Of course its the interest you idiot, can you not even understand a small grammatical error?
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August 10, 2009 11:42pm
racer1

This how ever is more money than most people earn. Most people, even in the top tax bracket, are not paying over half of their income to the govt as tax, simple as that.
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August 10, 2009 11:44pm
racer1

“nickb
And where is the rest of the money? In the bank, being taxed at 38%? Hence my point?”

Considering I had just pointed out that error minutes ago, I would have thought you might have not made it again so soon, also consider that that error ammounts to $3,610 per $10,000 saved, that is not a small error.

Which “rest” of the money are you talking about?

In example 1 there is tax on income, out goings and the gst on them, money in the bank, and RWT on the interest on that. There is no other money in a bank, not accounted for.

In example 2 there is tax on income, and gst on everything left over after that. no money left to go in the bank.

I do not know what rest of the money you mean?

Unless you are talking about the corporate tax ect down the line after you have spent the money, that would how ever be ridiculous and resorting to absurdity.
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August 10, 2009 11:53pm
philu

“..You continue to remain a bit of useless fucken pondscum on society, no worth to anyone or anything..”

kinda like an honorary-lawyer..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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