General Debate 7 July 2009

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MyNameIsJack

Is it time to nationalise banks? Listening to Key and English, one would have to think that is what they want.
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July 7, 2009 8:42am
Murray

Well it didn’t take long for some dumass commie to fuck that thread.
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July 7, 2009 8:47am
jcuknz

They are going on about thee interest rates banks charge but what about the cuts in interests rates the banks have inflicted on people trying to live on their savings. Last year it was 8%, this year it ranges 3.20 to 4.25% unless you are willing to tie up your money for five or six years.
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July 7, 2009 8:49am
Whafe

Am at home with the flu today, so had the tv on in the background, was great seeign Paul Henry rip into G Espiner re Winny Pete…..

Be interesting to see if this old fart comes back from the grave so to speak, every funeral notice is one less voter for Winny Pete…. No disrespect at all to those whom have passed away…..
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July 7, 2009 8:50am
jcuknz

If you don’t like the Aussie banks you can always go to Kiwibank or Southland, Taranaki[?] … any others? Timaru something?
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July 7, 2009 8:52am
Whafe

The whole subject of the banks conjures up all sorts of pissed off thoughts. Reading the article in the SST made many points, but it is hugely odd that in a time of a global recession that the banks profits haev lifted hugely leaves one thinking…
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July 7, 2009 8:53am
mickysavage

Winston Peters will be going for the redneck vote. Remember he received 4.1% of the vote last time and the Foreshore and Seabed review is the ideal issue for him.

Be afraid National, be very afraid …
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July 7, 2009 8:58am
Whafe

jcukna – good point, but most of thsoe banks have the same disease the aussie banks haev dare I say it……
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July 7, 2009 8:59am
Cerium

Is Auckland going to be blessed with a Peters v Banks campaign?
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July 7, 2009 9:00am
philu

this one is both ‘interesting’..and non-ideological..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/how-blogs-changed-everything/

..but will reddy/bruv still find reason to moan/rail..?

..watch this space..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 7, 2009 9:00am
philu

but this is ‘ideological’..

..a withering dismissal of the objectivist fantasies of the rand-ites..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/exhuming-ayn-rand/

atlas shrugged..?..

..meh..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 7, 2009 9:03am
Whafe

philu – I always ignore you, as am sure you ignore me.

BUT, Do you not think it is pretty weak as a man to use another blog to advertise your own blog?

I mean you will say that is not your primay objective on Kiwiblog, when in reality it very much seems it is, the vast majority of your links are to your blog site.
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July 7, 2009 9:05am
Glutaemus Maximus

This has been mentioned on here by another Poster.

Still think it is very weird. Any else got any observations?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197713/Expats-paradise-lost-New-Zealands-jobs-crisis–just-weeks-named-best-place-make-fresh-start.html
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July 7, 2009 9:10am
toad

Human Rights Commission backs section 59…

And one for Murray (but not MNIJ): Would Jesus smack a child?
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July 7, 2009 9:12am
RightNow

Tell me toad, if the greens had to choose either social engineering OR saving the environment, which would it be?
One reason I ask is that before the last election my wife said she was thinking of voting green because she feels strongly about the environment. We had a quick chat and after she regained consciousness she agreed that the greens are a bunch of commie arseholes who don’t give a shit about the environment and are only trying to get their snouts in the trough.
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July 7, 2009 9:20am
starboard

Human Rights Commission

…bunch of homo’s, pc addicts , greenies , lefties and general undesirables…complete waste of money…
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July 7, 2009 9:20am
Cerium

Huckabee (huck•-a-be) n.
1. One who claims to be “Christian” but is politically and/or religiously closed minded, hateful and intolerant.
2. One who cherry-picks Bible scripture to exploit voter wedge issues like abortion and homosexuality.
3. American seditionist whose intent is to change the Constitution to a theocracy.
4. See also Fox News O’Reilly Catholic.

This is obviously a US definition, what would be our equivalent?
Note – this isn’t intended as anti-Christian, it is a poke at the minority Christians-of-convenience.
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July 7, 2009 9:21am
philu

just bringing ‘good reads’..to the largely uneducated..there whafe..

..you’ll just ‘ignore’ them..?..then..?

..and carry on in your ‘bliss-full’-state..?

..goodonya..!

..to each their own..

..eh..?

(i..will now return to the second half of your admonition..’as am sure you ignore me.’

..you got that..!..in one..!)

(hey..!..just let your eyes ‘slide past’..eh..?

..heaven forbid you should increase the sum of your human knowledge by any iota…?

..eh..?)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 7, 2009 9:25am
dime

Cerium – thats pretty funny. Course, if you make fun of Huckabee, youll have to answer to chuck norris!

point 4 is stupid though. O’Reilly isnt like Huckabee.
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July 7, 2009 9:26am
Cerium

I agree on point 4, I would have thought referencing Hannity or Limbaugh would have been better.
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July 7, 2009 9:28am
Redbaiter

“BUT, Do you not think it is pretty weak as a man to use another blog to advertise your own blog?”

It is, but its an appeal that will get you no where with Philip Ure. He’s totally unprincipled and totally shameless about being that way. Any appeal to decency and morality where he is concerned is a waste of time. He’s just unprincipled cowardly lowlife. Always has been, always will be.

Nobody is interested in his blog and what he has to say. He calls it a “news aggregator”. The reality is its just a farce, part of the delusion that he clings to to give his worthless existence some meaning.

He might pick up a few hits from mugs on Kiwiblog who cannot see through his deceit. That’s why he shamelessly link whores here everyday.

Without the few hits he gets from Kiwibloggers who are sucked in, he’d have no hits at all, and then he’d have to face up to his delusion, and recognise the lie that his “news aggregator” is just another item of self deceit by which a useless worthless cowardly slimeball manages to deny to himself what he really is.
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July 7, 2009 9:31am
NOt1tocommentoften

Starboard – Well supported views of the Human Rights Commission mate! A considered person no doubt.

BTW – ‘homos’ doesn’t require an apostrophe in this case.
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July 7, 2009 9:36am
Cerium

social engineering – what righties accuse lefties of
exploitation – what lefties accuse righties of
both – what they all do by their own definitions
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July 7, 2009 9:46am
philu

some chamomile tea there..?..reddy..?

..and..umm..!

“..He calls it a “news aggregator”. The reality is its just a farce..”

no reddy..it is a news aggregator..by definition..

..every morning i scan what i deem to be the quality publications from around the globe..

..(in britain i look at the times/independant/guardian)..(y’know..!..the real leftwing rags..eh..?..)

..and from them i choose/cherry-pick the ‘best’stories..

..i provide a compilation/collation of these stories..(approx 25-30 per day)

.and each of these stories has a link..

..which takes you to the source of the story..

..basically..i am the magpie sitting on the fence-post..looking out for/collecting all ‘the shiny bits’..for you..

..and hey..!..the americans who want me/whoar be to be a major part of their new news/opinion online-source..

..don’t think my work on whoar is too ‘shabby’..

..eh..?

..and thanks reddy..!

..for the chance to refute your falsehoods/ideologically-based prejudices….

….eh..?

..much appreciated..

..hey..!..you may have even helped some to decide to ‘have a look’..

..to try and see what those americans see enough to come down here to get me/whoar to ‘do it’ for them..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 7, 2009 9:46am
Brian Smaller

Farrar lets Philu post here as a form of perverse Tory Charity.
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July 7, 2009 9:54am
grumpyoldhori

America’s Maggie Thatcher ?
Hmm did Maggie Thatcher ever run around ranting what a victim she was ?
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July 7, 2009 9:56am
philu

and reddy..while we are on the subject..

..what exactly do you contribute to this forum..?

..save for your..foam-flecked hymns of hate/vitriol..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 7, 2009 10:01am
Whafe

Whafe dont take the bait, dont take it…………. 🙂
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July 7, 2009 10:03am
MyNameIsJack

Whafe (130) Vote: 4 0 Says:

July 7th, 2009 at 8:53 am
The whole subject of the banks conjures up all sorts of pissed off thoughts. Reading the article in the SST made many points, but it is hugely odd that in a time of a global recession that the banks profits haev lifted hugely leaves one thinking…

So, when you thought, what did you think?

Of course bank profits don’t go down in a recession, and in fact, they can even increase. Well, in well run banks, anyway, like ANZ, ComBank, Westpac, NAB which didn’t go down the road of folly the US and UK banks went down.
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July 7, 2009 10:13am
MyNameIsJack

And THE LORD GOD said “thou must rest on the Sabbath, and must enforce rest on all others, and if there are those who will not rest then you must take up your burnished axes and kill them, for IAM THE LORD YOUR GOD

“And if they be unbelievers and thet shalt work on the sabbath, then thou shalt drown them in your spittle because no one must be allowed to think religion is stupid and I don’t exist.”

I found myself herded against a brick wall as they kept on spitting – on my face, my hair, my clothes, my arms.

It was like rain, coming at me from all directions – hitting my recorder, my bag, my shoes, even my glasses.

Big gobs of spit landed on me like heavy raindrops. I could even smell it as it fell on my face.

Somewhere behind me – I didn’t see him – a man on a stairway either kicked me in the head or knocked something heavy against me.

I wasn’t even sure why the mob was angry with me. Was it because I was a journalist? Or a woman? Because I wasn’t Jewish in an Orthodox area? Was I not dressed conservatively enough?

In fact, I was later told, it was because using a tape-recorder is itself a desecration of the Shabbat even though I’m not Jewish and don’t observe the Sabbath.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/06/2617502.htm?section=justin

Fucking pig ignorant idiots!
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July 7, 2009 10:21am
Brian Smaller

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2569900/Son-to-be-taken-on-final-lap

Have these parents got a clue? Their son died and he killed two of his friends because he used the streets of his town as a race-track. They are honouring him with a “final lap”? Fucking morons.
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July 7, 2009 10:27am
Whafe

MNIJ – I more so think of the amont of gorging that has gone on by banks, as you have gathered am all for a free market etc etc, but I think there is at times a fine line between a free market and gorging…..

And yes it is a given to a certain point that banks will increase profit levels during a recession
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July 7, 2009 10:28am
MyNameIsJack

But whafe, gorging (or did you mean gouging) is waht a free market is all about.

I can make a product for, say $1. I can sell it for $500. What price do you think I should sell it at to avoid gouging? Surely I would be stupid to sell it for a penny less than $500.

The banks are no different, except thay can make a product (loans) at $0 (fiat money) and then sell that product at the highest price they can achieve. Why should they, in a free market, be forced to sell at a lower price than the price the market is prepared to pay?
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July 7, 2009 10:44am
Whafe

Sorry MNIJ I meant gouging, a wee typo…. did you mean waht or what following my gouging error?

What the market is prepared to pay is different within the banking institution, more like the fuel companies wouldnt you say, bordering on a monopoly….
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July 7, 2009 10:53am
MyNameIsJack

Which is one reason why banks should be nationalised; they are more a public service than a business.
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July 7, 2009 11:04am
TimG_Oz

Jack it’s time you got over yourself and your Jew bashing. Here’s a better example:

http://www.jewishjournal.com/hollywoodjew/item/brunos_top_five_jewish_moments_20090622/

Bruno’s top 5 Jewish moments – which includes him wearing a black hat + speedos in the same area as the Journalist from your article.

Also gotta love the Hollywood actors: There is “Wilhelm Schmidt” (Will Smith), Adolf Pittler (Brad Pitt) and lastly, a man Bruno calls “Der Fuhrer.” The camera pans to reveal the photograph of said star: Mel Gibson.
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July 7, 2009 11:13am
MT_Tinman

The other day I met a Green MP I liked.

The same day I met a (very) successful businessman who praised Cullen for backing him and allowing him to succeed.

Now I find I’m starting to agree with some things MNIJ is posting.

HELP ME, I think I’m starting to turn.
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July 7, 2009 11:22am
Cerium

What are you starting to turn to Tinman? There is good (and bad) in all of them, if we recognise and encourage the good no matter what their stripes we will be the better for it, instead of painting ourselves into ideological corners.
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July 7, 2009 11:32am
philu

cerium..!..settle..!..settle..!

..we’ll have no such commonsense..nay..!..wisdom..here..!

..this is kiwiblog..!

whaddareya..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 7, 2009 11:40am
s.russell

Brian Smaller,

Further to your post see: teenagers driving slower. Maybe something good has come of this tragedy.
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July 7, 2009 11:44am
thedavincimode

But Phil, I thought you had rebranded yourself as “… the lone blogger at the end of the [galaxy/street/corridor or whatever]!!??

All that effort with the rebranding strategy at the start of the year and you’ve now reduced yourself to a “news aggregator”. I thought that, as the ‘lone blogger’, you were going to bring us all the hard hitting punchy social/economic/political insights from around the globe – collected from your global and intergalactic network of frontline and undercover sources??!! Not the bloody Guardian!! I thought that even a cape and a mask might be on the cards. I really thought you were serious when you almost completed a sentence.

And now …
“..every morning i scan what i deem to be the quality publications from around the globe..”

Gosh Phil; nothing like a spot of ‘deeming’ to get the old intellect steaming of a winter’s morning, but is this the same thing??!! Aren’t you just copying and recycling someone else’s stuff? Seems like a waste given all the effort at the start of the year.

“..basically..i am the magpie sitting on the fence-post..looking out for/collecting all ‘the shiny bits’..for you..”

On the other hand, hats off to you for being so unfazed by the general impression that you are in fact just a bludger sitting on his arse. I guess that the daily mirror thing is working really well for you:

“mirror mirror on the wall …
… none of this is my fault ..
… but despite that, I can still sit on my bottom all day to make this valuable contribution to society …
… I make a great role model and I hope that Phil Jnr grows up to be just like me …
… I must make him so proud …
… perhaps he tells all his friends about me …
… if only I didn’t have to carry this great burden and could just get a job like everyone else …
… they don’t know how lucky they are …
… this sacrifice is too great … but society needs me …
… and I love my dog …
… heh … eh … heh …
… [repeats]”
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July 7, 2009 12:13pm
grumpyoldhori

Klanservatives ?
Or typical GOP types ?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-06/new-gop-racist-headache/
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July 7, 2009 1:11pm
Ryan Sproull

DPF,

Someone seems to have hacked your site. It’s not dangerous to readers at the moment. Details on my blog.

If anyone has David’s mobile number, please text him to alert him to this, and then comment below to say you have, so he doesn’t get a zillion texts.

[DPF: Thanks – have alerted my ISP who do the technical management and hopefully they will fix]
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July 7, 2009 1:13pm
MyNameIsJack

His number is 021 940 045

Its listed in contacts on home page.
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July 7, 2009 1:16pm
Ryan Sproull

Oh, thanks, MNIJ. I’ll text him now.
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July 7, 2009 1:17pm
MyNameIsJack

BTW, Ryan, your blog link doesn’t direct people to the correct article
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July 7, 2009 1:23pm
Ryan Sproull

MNIJ,

The article about the hacking is entitled “How many movies has Kevin Bacon made? Viagra.”
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July 7, 2009 1:25pm
Ryan Sproull

I’ve altered it a bit to make it more clear on my blog.

Meanwhile, enjoy the hilarity of finding Kiwiblog by Googling “mature women movies nude russian girls”.
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July 7, 2009 1:40pm
Ryan Sproull

[DPF: Thanks – have alerted my ISP who do the technical management and hopefully they will fix]

No worries. It seems to be all fixed now.

It was a very very clever system. I wonder how many other sites have the same infection without knowing it. It’s pretty seldom that someone reads websites with a searchbot user agent, and unless you do that, there’s no obvious sign that the site’s been hacked.

Amazing how many American college servers they control.
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July 7, 2009 3:42pm
MyNameIsJack

Time to take the cheque book from john Key.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10583018

It might make Key feel good, but how about reinstating ACE funding before giving $Kiwi to a bunch of no hopers?
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July 7, 2009 4:12pm
MyNameIsJack

And the balance of payments gets worse-

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10583017
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July 7, 2009 4:26pm
starboard

oh why does it not surprise me…latest headlines below…

The Court of Appeal has reduced the sentence of convicted rapist and murderer Liam James Reid by three years.
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July 7, 2009 4:26pm
MyNameIsJack

John, tell these jungle bunnies that if they want our money then they have to accept our sense of fashion, too.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2572009/PMs-Pacific-trip-hits-pants-hiccup

They don’t like the way the taxpayers of NZ dress? Then they can fuck off and not accept NZ taxpayer’s dollars.
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July 7, 2009 4:57pm
Buggerlugs

Nice to see the Left has now gone completely feral and showing it’s true racist colours via non-stop onanist Jack…

On a more worrying note – I see the rimu desks etc have disappeared from select committee rooms. After querying Parl Services myself and getting no response, I asked my local MP – who has received “nothing to see here, move along” responses and is getting quite fired up about the whole thing.

Does anyone know where all this heart rimu has gone? Is Phil Goff building a Trojan Horse? (Oh, no, he already has lol).
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July 7, 2009 5:20pm
Nomestradamus

Buggerlugs:

Have you checked whether these guys can help you with your enquiries:

Wellington, Dec 18 NZPA

Up to four Labour Party staffers face the sack after they were allegedly caught stealing alcohol from a parliamentary Christmas function.

Police were called to Parliament in the early hours of today after the four people were seen loading surplus alcohol from the Press Gallery Christmas party into a car on the precinct.

One of the men was detained and arrested at the scene, allegedly with over $400 worth of wine in his car. He has been charged with theft.

The man’s accomplices escaped, but NZPA understands security footage shows four people were involved in the alleged theft — all of them junior Labour Party staffers.

Also, Phil Goff shared his views on that incident (~~“strikingly beautiful”~~ “totally unacceptable”), so perhaps he may care to comment on this one too.

🙂
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July 7, 2009 5:46pm
joeAverage

Laws re the firemen comment(HIS), sorry folks Laws is a fuckwit, a complete tosser , laws, sort your shitty litle city out and stop been a publicity whore, the dumb islander who cooked his family caused me to purchase a photocell smoke detecter in our kitchen just in case a pot catches on fire.I have detecters thoughout our house.The dumb fuckwit islanders fried and died, ie it was the islander fault not the firemens laws,yours or me so laws should fuckup GET BACK TO WORK laws go down to castlecliff beach and spend some time as a mayor getting the maori gang members unregistered pitbull terriers from romming in packs on that rubbish tip beach, they menaced me and my registered dog who was on a leash, but we were brave, we dont back down facing 4 unregistered mongrels. J
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July 7, 2009 5:55pm
Nookin

Starboard

Reid appealed against both conviction and sentence. His appeal against conviction was dismissed. His appeal against sentence was allowed primarily because it was out of kilter with other sentences. It does not automatically follow that he will be released any earlier. In fact, both the High Court and Court Of Appeal suggest that he is going to be in for a long long time.
The following passage appears in the Court Of Appeal decision:
“We emphasise in this context that the primary sentences are life
imprisonment and preventive detention. They are indeterminate sentences. Further,
life sentences carry the possibility of recall even if a person is released. The
minimum periods reflect comparatively the seriousness of the offending but of
course do not say anything about when the appellant might be released. In this case,
Chisholm J considered it would take a “miraculous transformation” in the appellant
before women would be safe if he was released back onto the streets: at [35].”
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July 7, 2009 6:06pm
starboard

..since he, Reid..asswipe..appealed his conviction and lost he should have say , 5 more years added for wasting our time/money. His appeal against sentence reduced because outa kilter??? Spare me fuckin days!!…give the prick to me I’ll fix the son of a…
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July 7, 2009 6:21pm
Inventory2

Perhaps Reid and Clayton Weatherston could share a cell once Weatherston’s trial is over and he is sentenced. The survivor could then share a cell with Graeme Burton 😉
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July 7, 2009 7:03pm
Rex Widerstrom

From House to The West Wing. Neat little story for all the other US politics nerds round here (I’m looking at you, DPF).
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July 7, 2009 7:25pm
Rachael Rich

Stuff and the Herald both have stories on the Daily Mail item I linked to in yesterdays GD on the supposed policy to kick out the Brits.

Seems that there is no “policy”:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10583027
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2572750/Situation-not-policy-Immigration-boss

I wonder if Real Estate Agents are still on the skills shortage lists 🙂
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July 7, 2009 10:50pm
Hurf Durf

Jesus Christ, Jackoff, change the fucking record already.

I can’t wait for this referendum btw, when the Greens get their arse handed to them again and they scurry off back to the corner and pretend to be relevant. Voting no btw, fuck the Greens.
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July 7, 2009 11:05pm
reid

Meanwhile, enjoy the hilarity of finding Kiwiblog by Googling “mature women movies nude russian girls”.

So this is a normal Tuesday google then Ryan? 🙂
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