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starboard

SPEAK UP TODAY MR SHANE JONES…ANSWERS REQUIRED PLEASE…..
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July 6, 2009 4:40am
Grant Michael McKenna

I am a bit confused by the Australian Navy Sex Scandal® , as the offence isn’t detailed: was it that they were planning to have sex with a colleague? That they wanted to bonk an officer? That they wanted to bonk a lesbian [which would presumably mean that she were bisexual]? Is it alleged that non-consensual sex were contemplated? Is it that they were planning to have sex in inappropriate places?

I’ve served in a gender integrated unit, and our rules were simple: the unit is a family, and you don’t fuck your sister. If you form a relationship one of you transfers out- this meant out of the platoon or company, not the regiment. What exactly is the offence in the Oz Navy case- thinking Oz woman attractive?
Edit: tried to link-whore, got it wrong. HMAS Success is the ship.
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July 6, 2009 4:47am
Cerium

“Critics are spinning, so hang in there as they feed false info on the right decision made as I enter last yr in office to not run again….” – Palin via Twitter
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July 6, 2009 7:05am
stuarts-burgers

GMM
When I heard this story I was puzzled as well . From the reporting it would seem that any thing that had occurred or was planned to occur was consensual.
I understand the problems of non consensual sex or the problems in the area of power imbalance ( The Dept Head and a junior rating) as well as the ” incest” factors of from the same close working group but if these matters are covered what is the problem.
Was it planned to have sex on the Captains Chair on the Bridge Was the helio deck a prime spot for these planned actives or was the Navy concerned that bonking may happen in area that have high Radio Frequency Emissions ( close to RADAR Transmitters etc that is a wee bit like being in a Micro wave oven if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time)

But then of course it is he Ocker Navy and they are strange any way
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July 6, 2009 7:09am
Brian Smaller

I was wondering how many female officers would destroy their careers by bonking ratings? It would be pretty close to zero. It was male chest-beating and the whole story a beat up. It wouldn’t surprise me if similar “ranking” scales were used by the women in their quarters when discussing their male collegues.
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July 6, 2009 7:47am
Glutaemus Maximus

Given their ability to scare off the Iranian Coastal Guard with a lot of shouting and abuse, not to mention some very obvious hand and body gestures. Making the RN look very meek and mild.

They avoided a boarding Party routine, unlike the RN.

The bottom line is that these Matelots are ever so capable of looking after themselves and each other.

Iranian PR machine at Work?
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July 6, 2009 8:21am
shady

Guys – re the Australian Navy sex scandal – I would wonder if the women knew they were being used as part of a challenge. Personally – I would find it incredibly offensive if I was being used as trophy points in a challenge. If the women knew – no harm, no foul and I would agree the story is a beat up.
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July 6, 2009 8:50am
Inventory2

@ starboard 4.40am – don’t expect any comment from Jones or Cunliffe – as Bill Liu is now in front of the Court, they can hide behind the sub-judice rule.

But let’s not get distracted. The real target now should be Cunliffe. As I posted on Saturday, he should have revoked Liu’s residency nine months before citizenship was granted. He was advised to do this by his departmental officials, who were concerned at Liu having multiple identities, and duplicate passports. The question needs to be asked – why did Cunners not heed the advice of his officials, and why did he allow Liu to remain as a resident.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/07/questions-for-cunners.html
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July 6, 2009 8:52am
toad

Guess Winston couldn’t resist the chance to exploit the racist underbelly of society by trotting out the sambo argument.
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July 6, 2009 9:12am
big bruv

I watched that show Toad, I thought Winston made a bit of sense.

I note that Meteria did not agree that the Maori claim to the seabed and foreshore should have to be judged by the usual standards, the words of Sir Doug Graham where comforting when he said that in his opinion Maori would not be able to prove title.

I assume that the Greens would simply hand it over to the racists and separatists?
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July 6, 2009 9:18am
MyNameIsJack

Carried over from yesterday

MyNameIsJack 2:24 pm Says:
1. Which god, and which laws?
2. The god that promotes genocide?

Answers:
1. The God of the Bible; the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob [Israel]. His Laws as stipulated in His word, the Bible.
2. The god of evolution; Satan, a murderer from the beginning.

What is it about religion that blinds its followers to science?

Is it because religion is not scientific? After all, Jesus thought disease was caused by sin, not bacteria, viruses, infections, etc
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July 6, 2009 9:25am
Chicken Little

Jack – just stop it. There is no win. It may amuse you but I have no wish to see how many of my fellow countrymen are complete nutters.

Please, I beg you, in the name of Jupiter, STOP.

So, how bout those All Blacks?
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July 6, 2009 9:30am
toad

big bruv said: I watched that show Toad, I thought Winston made a bit of sense.

A bit out of step with your mates in ACT here bruv? They, like I, consider it to be about property rights, not about race.
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July 6, 2009 9:30am
Redbaiter

“What is it about religion that blinds its followers to science?”

What is it that blinds you to the fact you’re a boring bloody one issue half wit nut job???
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July 6, 2009 9:31am
Patrick Starr

Toad – How the fuck does anyone disagreeing with maori claim to title make them the racist underbelly of society?
Just more greens negative labelling of any opponent
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July 6, 2009 9:34am
Angus

ANOTHER thread about to be fucked up with tit-for-tat horseshit about religion.
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July 6, 2009 9:38am
philu

hold the religion..!

..i have the antidote..!

..a big big bucket of laughs..

..enjoy..!

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/jon-stewarts-funniest-guests-the-best-comic-moments-from-the-daily-show/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 6, 2009 9:39am
big bruv

Toad

Sorry, I guess you just cannot grasp how anybody could be allowed to speak out against the party they voted for, and anyway, it is debatable that Maori have property rights to the foreshore and seabed.

Can you tell me what it wrong with Maori having to prove continuous use (I think that is the term) since 1840?, we both know they cannot prove that, we both know that more than likely they will lose should it come to court so why do the Greens just want to hand it over?
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July 6, 2009 9:43am
Inventory2

Isn’t it interesting that the person moaning the most about Maori separatism is a Maori? Or is Winston Peters trying to rewrite his whakapapa?
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July 6, 2009 9:44am
big bruv

Another day and another cave in by that gutless wanker we call our Prime Minister.

It seems from the highly evasive answer given by John Carter over the weekend that guaranteed apartheid seats are a certainty on the new Auckland super city council.

I also note that Neville Key has reiterated that he will not change the anti smacking legislation irrespective of what the people want.
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July 6, 2009 9:45am
toad

Patrick Starr said: How the fuck does anyone disagreeing with maori claim to title make them the racist underbelly of society?

It doesn’t. But it clearly the racist underbelly, rather than those who may have reasoned arguments to base their disagreement on, that Peters is appealing to.
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July 6, 2009 9:45am
toad

big bruv said: Sorry, I guess you just cannot grasp how anybody could be allowed to speak out against the party they voted for, and anyway, it is debatable that Maori have property rights to the foreshore and seabed.

Actually, I can bruv. You’ll recall I spoke out on this blog and on g.blog against the position the Greens took on Labour’s ETS.

And of course it is debatable that Maori have property rights to the seabed and foreshore. That is why hapū should be able to go to court to establish, on the basis of the facts relating to each particular claim, whether they do or not.
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July 6, 2009 10:04am
big bruv

Toad

What is hapu?,

Could you use a language that has some relevance?, it does make things a lot easier to understand.
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July 6, 2009 10:08am
Chicken Little

bruv – If they have race based seats on the council that will be my support for this government gone. I dislike racism in any form and trying to sell it to me as some form of ‘positive racism’ is just so much bullshit.

Interesting that Toad seems to think that anyone who disagrees is a racist.

Well Toad – fuck you and the waka you floated in on.

I’m a citizen of this country and I have right to my own opinion without some busybody little suckhole like you telling what to think.

Reasoned argument – Any move by our government to base citizens rights on race is racist. You may want apartheid for our country but I don’t.
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July 6, 2009 10:08am
stephen

“What is hapu?, ”

You don’t know what mana is, you don’t know what hapu is…what’s next, ‘haka’? ‘hangi’?
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July 6, 2009 10:32am
toad

Chicken Little, you’ve obviously spent too long in the factory farm.

Those who based “citizens rights on race” were the Labour and NZ First Parties in passing the Foreshore and Seabed Act. One group of citizens – Maori – had their right to go to Court to have an issue of a claim to property ownership determined removed by that legislation. No other claimant to property had that right removed. No foreshore or seabed that was in private ownership was nationalised by the Foreshore and Seabed Act. It’s not me who is basing citizens’ rights on race – it was the Parties that passed that Act through Parliament.
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July 6, 2009 10:32am
big bruv

Toad

You claim that it is not you who is bashing citizens rights yet that is the very thing that the Greens want to do.

You want to gift the seabed and foreshore to Maori, you want the rest of us to have to ask permission or pay a toll to visit the beach, why not just admit it?
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July 6, 2009 10:42am
big bruv

Stephen

If I bloody knew what hapu meant I would not have asked the question.
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July 6, 2009 10:43am
starboard

..Mallard..tell Cunliffe he is required on kiwiblog post haste…I would like some answers re Liu….
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July 6, 2009 10:44am
stephen

I was probably unnecessarily rude bruv, I suppose i’m just a little surprised. And relevant language or not, we do live in New Zealand.
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July 6, 2009 10:52am
big bruv

So….what does it mean then?
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July 6, 2009 10:56am
Brian Smaller

Please, I beg you, in the name of Jupiter, STOP.

You fucking heretic. Thor is the one true God.
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July 6, 2009 10:57am
MT_Tinman

# Brian Smaller (1268) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
July 6th, 2009 at 10:57 am

Please, I beg you, in the name of Jupiter, STOP.

You fucking heretic. Thor is the one true God.

Now you’re getting offensive.
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July 6, 2009 10:59am
stephen

“So….what does it mean then?”

Sub-tribe. Under an Iwi. Google would’ve told you though!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapu
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July 6, 2009 11:03am
Ryan Sproull

Oh Em Gee.

Kiwiblog’s been hax0r’d.

Either that or DPF’s expanded his advertising base substantially.

(look at the bottom of the page)
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July 6, 2009 12:01pm
Ryan Sproull

Oh, my mistake. It’s something different.
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July 6, 2009 12:09pm
toad

Silly headline of the week…
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July 6, 2009 12:23pm
burt

It is good to see the voice of the Green party having an opinion other than “What Labour said”. Wow, pity about the last 9 years but things look good for the future of the Green party. Now all we need to do is get the watermellons into a separate “I love Labour but pretend to be green” party and we will actually have an environmental party.
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July 6, 2009 12:28pm
stephen

Oh, my mistake. It’s something different.

The Twitter bandits were at it last week, keep a wary eye out.
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July 6, 2009 12:30pm
Brian Smaller

# Brian Smaller (1268) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
July 6th, 2009 at 10:57 am

Please, I beg you, in the name of Jupiter, STOP.

You fucking heretic. Thor is the one true God.

Now you’re getting offensive.

Thanks. It is one of the main tenets of my faith.
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July 6, 2009 12:38pm
Shunda barunda

“Is it because religion is not scientific? After all, Jesus thought disease was caused by sin, not bacteria, viruses, infections, etc”

Are you still fighting with Jesus MNIJ?
Really, he’s not a bad fella Jack, kind of like a hippy with morals.
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July 6, 2009 12:46pm
burt

Shunda

More like a hippy who told the world that his morals were to be everyones morals or they would rot in hell.
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July 6, 2009 12:51pm
Shunda barunda

“More like a hippy who told the world that his morals were to be everyones morals or they would rot in hell.”

No no , you are confusing Jesus with the green party.
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July 6, 2009 12:56pm
burt

Shunda

We are only just starting to find out what the Green party stand for now that they are not simply a sock puppet for Labour. Hopefully they won’t simply become a sock puppet for National but given they way them seemed to like having Labour shit all over them for 9 years nothing would surprise me.
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July 6, 2009 1:16pm
MyNameIsJack

Looks like Palin is about to be charged.

Her lawyer is issuing denials and threatening law suits all over the place. Well, he would, wouldn’t he?
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July 6, 2009 1:23pm
MyNameIsJack

Shunda barunda (556) Vote: 1 2 Says:

July 6th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
“Is it because religion is not scientific? After all, Jesus thought disease was caused by sin, not bacteria, viruses, infections, etc”

Are you still fighting with Jesus MNIJ?
Really, he’s not a bad fella Jack, kind of like a hippy with morals.

Morals like this in Mark 7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:?

Jesus was as big an arsehole as his father.
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July 6, 2009 1:29pm
Redbaiter

“Looks like Palin is about to be charged.”

You stupid uninformed smearing waste of time. This news has been out there for 24 hours. In fact I referenced it yesterday.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=99860&sectionid=3510203

Fuck offf and play games somewhere retard.
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July 6, 2009 1:30pm
MyNameIsJack

You stalkin’me Red?

Of course the FBI would say that, wouldn’t they?

I hear it is more likely to be the CIA investigating her over her alleged links to Russia, and how often she says she saw Gorbachev in Alaska.
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July 6, 2009 1:37pm
Redbaiter

“You stalkin’me Red?”

You’re a fool. You bring this site down to primary school level. Fuck off.
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July 6, 2009 1:41pm
grumpyoldhori

Hmm the right of access to all the foreshore by all.
Now will that be that right of access to ALL the foreshore including that which is in pakeha freehold title ?
Or do property rights only apply to some ?
I was amused to see the foreshore, sorry that should be the majority of the foreshore going into crown hands.
But Labour did not grab pakeha freehold foreshore to go into crown hands.

Amusing the number of right wing Labour supporters on this issue.

So people want purity ? should ALL the foreshore go to the crown with no compensation for any one at all ?
Or should it only be foreshore that Maori want to go to court about ?
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July 6, 2009 1:41pm
toad

Shunda barunda said: No no , you are confusing Jesus with the green party.

Rumour has it he’s angling for a high place on the Green Party list at the next election.
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July 6, 2009 1:46pm
toad

grumpyoldhori said: should ALL the foreshore go to the crown with no compensation for any one at all ?
Or should it only be foreshore that Maori want to go to court about ?

Exactly the point I made earlier on the thread. And no-one who is defending the FSA has come up with an answer yet. And they have the cheek to accuse those of us who want to see the FSA repealed of racism.
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July 6, 2009 1:49pm
Shunda barunda

“Rumour has it he’s angling for a high place on the Green Party list at the next election.”

No Toad, you are confusing him with “lord Weedsus”
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July 6, 2009 1:54pm
Inventory2

@ MNIJ – 1.29pm Considering that you don’t acknowledge Jesus, you seem to have very strong opinions about him 😉
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July 6, 2009 1:55pm
philu

i ask this in all seriousness..

..have you ever considered anger management there..redbaiter..

..it can’t be much fun having all that seething through you..at the drop of a leftists’ hat..as it were..

..eh..?

..you need some relief..man..(or woman..)

..(i have dallied/toyed b4 with the thought redbaiter is ‘strewth’ richardson..eh..?..

..but only she will know the answer to that..)

and big bruv..

..you just keep repeating the same alarmist lies time and time again..

..”..You want to gift the seabed and foreshore to Maori, you want the rest of us to have to ask permission or pay a toll to visit the beach, why not just admit it?..”

do you think every day is groundhog day for the rest of us..?

..and that all parties are guaranteeing access..to already public beachs..

..and hey..!..how about guaranteeing the queens’ chain ..?..

..and access to those (mainly pakeha owned) already private beaches..?

..how about some consistancy..eh..?

..and hold off repeating that same lie over and over again..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 6, 2009 2:47pm
Portia

Speaking of Sarah Palin, Karl Denninger’s provocative challenge to the Republican Party is worth a read:
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1180-Sarah-Palin-And-The-Republicans.html
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July 6, 2009 5:10pm
Hurf Durf

Trust Jackoff to repeat deceit and slander I knew were lies 18 hours ago, Redbaiter.

Speaking of bullshit, why does the good ol’ Herald keep getting their world coverage from the shitty Indepedent? All one has to to do is look at their circulation figures:

“The paper had a certified average daily circulation of 215,504 copies in January 2009 – a drop of 14.02% on January 2008, as compared to sales of 842,912 for The Daily Telegraph, 617,483 for The Times, and 358,844 for The Guardian.”

Lower than the Grauniad? Oh lol.
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July 6, 2009 6:02pm
Hurf Durf

Slow tonight. Oh well, here’s something to cleanse the palate: our friends the Communists on the first six months of the Omoron regime. It’s long as fuck (typical leftist loves the sound of its own typing) so here’s the intro:

“Change is Here, Change is Coming

Author: Sam Webb, National Chair

7/01/2009

I make no attempt to be comprehensive in these remarks. My aim is much more modest, as you will see.

Let me begin with a simple observation: If the last 30 years were an era of reaction, then the coming decade could turn into an era of reform, even radical reform. Six months into the Obama presidency, I would say without hesitation that the landscape, atmosphere, conversation, and agenda have strikingly changed compared to the previous eight years.

In this legislative session, we can envision winning a Medicare-like public option and then going further in the years ahead.

We can visualize passing tough regulatory reforms on the financial industry, which brought the economy to ruin.

We can imagine the troops coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan while U.S. representatives participate in a regional process that brings peace and stability to the entire region.

In the current political climate, the expansion of union rights becomes a real possibility.

Much the same can be said about winning a second stimulus bill, and we sure need one, given the still-rising rate, and likely long term persistence, of unemployment.

Isn’t it possible in the Obama era to create millions of green jobs in manufacturing and other sectors of the economy in tandem with an attack on global warming?

Can’t we envision taking new strides in the long journey for racial and gender equality in this new era, marked at its beginning by the election of the first African American to the presidency?

And isn’t the overhaul of the criminal justice and prison system – a system steeped in racism – no longer pie-in-the sky, but something that can be done in the foreseeable future?

All these things are within reach now!

I make this observation because in the ebb and flow of the first six months of the Obama presidency, it is easy to lose sight of the overall dynamics and promise of this new era.”

http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/1054/1/27/ courtesy of http://sweetness-light.com/archive/cpusa-celebrates-obamas-first-6-months

Fucking “progressives.”
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July 6, 2009 7:24pm
Tauhei Notts

Whenever I have been in Britain I have enjoyed The Independent. With the likes of Robert Fisk, great sports reporters and racing reporters which all go to make it a good newspaper. I imagine Fisk’s comments upset the Yids, but his knowledge of the Middle East is encyclopaedic.
When I read The Guardian I felt a little homesick. It was touching to read all that left wing crap in a newspaper so far from New Zealand.
I think The Independent is from the same stable as the N.Z. Herald, viz Tony O’Reilly’s pack.
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July 6, 2009 7:28pm
Hurf Durf

The “Yids,” Notts?
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July 6, 2009 7:46pm
Rachael Rich

Apparently loads of Brits are being kicked out of NZ due to our massive umemployment of 5%:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197713/Expats-paradise-lost-New-Zealands-jobs-crisis–just-weeks-named-best-place-make-fresh-start.html

First I have heard of an official NZers first policy. Anyone know of this new policy?
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July 6, 2009 9:27pm
Glutaemus Maximus

RR, I was about to post on the same subject.

The UK is aware that they are losing loads of good folk to NZ, Oz, etc.

This is pure manipulation by HMG.

Wacko Jocko cannot be trusted.

He is a lying Taloceach.

They are bleeding Tax Revenues, and they are scared of losing any more money.

The NZ side of things hasn’t changed at all, that I am aware?
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July 6, 2009 10:24pm
Hurf Durf

I remember reading something about that involving Asian immigrants from lefty sources. Didn’t think it was an official policy, more of a backlash among employers, especially in the current Keynesian/protectionist economic environment.
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July 6, 2009 10:33pm
Banana Llama

“Many have applications for new or renewed permits declined, even if their occupations are on the ‘Essential Skills’ list. Desperate employers are denied permission to keep skilled staff”

Okay, so what the hell is going on then? obviously we need these people yet they are being kicked out?
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