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July 30, 2009 8:11am by David Farrar

General Debate 30 July 2009

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philu

“..1. Set DBP to 110% of the average wage,,”

no..but working for families should be extended to benificiaries..

..this would also mean the tens of thousands of families yet to be made unemployed..

..would not have the double-killer-blow of also losing their w.f.f. payments..

3. Top tax rate of 93% for income earners over $60,000 (in this way only the rich pricks are being penalised)”

..the first 15 grand should be tax free..(that’s act policy..?..isn’t it..?)

and yes..the scandanavian-model of higher taxes/higher rates of social/health support would seem to be the enduring one..

“..4. All meat to be classified as a Class A substance, with its use, dealing, or consuming to be criminalised..”

..the cancer-causing properties of meat will become more clearly defined..

..this..and the environmental costs of growing it..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/veganisms-essential-role-in-preventing-an-unprecedented-global-catastrophe/

..will see the wholesale consumption we see now now drop away..

..(but people still smoke cigarettes..so the health message won’t work for all..)

there is also on the horizon..meat grown in labs/vats..

..(links at whoar..)

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July 30, 2009 9:01pm
nickb

Phil WFF IS PAID TO BENEFICIARIES!!!
You must know this. You may not realise it, but the family tax credit is paid as part of your benefit.

You are getting WFF confused with just one part of it- the “in work” tax credit, and, as I have already explained to you, the reason why you don’t get this is summed up in its name.
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July 30, 2009 9:04pm
philu

“..On the other hand, if a parent gets hooked on smack and starts neglecting his kids,..”

um..!..a heroin addict receiving clean/measured doses..is a totally functioning human being..

(eg..alcohol ..as one example..is far more debilitating/neglect-inducing..drug

..the same as tranks/sleepers..

..all worse than ‘clean’ smack..

..i mean..methadone is a worse/much more addictive drug than heroin..f.f.s..!

..and even so..any issues are a health-problem..not a crime/justice one..

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July 30, 2009 9:06pm
philu

oh..!..i must have imagined the labour pollies standing up in parliament..explaining how/why w.f.f. was not for benificiary families..

..gee..!..i’m sure i blogged on it..too..

..quite a few times from memory..

..and tell that to the newly unemployed..eh..?

..y’know..!..those who have lost it..?

..but hey..!..you’d know..!

..eh..?

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July 30, 2009 9:12pm
nickb

A heroin addict a totally functioning human being?
Yes phil, parents who abuse alcohol and let this affect their children are wankers, and piss poor parents.

But someone abusing heroin is a better functioning human then a junkie? Think there’s a tui billboard coming..
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July 30, 2009 9:13pm
nickb

Yes phil, as I say, you are completely confusing the WFF package as a whole, with just one part of it- the “in work” tax credit. And as it is clearly paid as an incentive to be in work, why would the state give you more money to perpetuate your cycle of dependency, instead of leaving it there as a carrot for you to get off your arse?
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July 30, 2009 9:15pm
Patrick Starr

@nickb – when you understand how outrageous levity can be taken seriously by phool (especially when there is more in it for him ) you learn not to get his hopes up.

(He’ll be you best friend now)
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July 30, 2009 9:16pm
nickb

Let me explain it to you this way.

Are you saying that the only money you receive, is just the base benefit rate for one person? Say $190? Without any extra at all?
You are receiving more than that, and the DIFFERENCE IS YOUR WFF
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July 30, 2009 9:17pm
nickb

Haha I can’t keep up this argument Patrick- got study to do.
Tag in for me? 🙂
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July 30, 2009 9:18pm
philu

ncea..?

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July 30, 2009 9:28pm
nickb

No phil. University degree. like the one you’ve apparently got? Related to Mary-Anne Thompson by any chance? 🙂
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July 30, 2009 9:35pm
Patrick Starr

woohoo…bitch slap….

…eh…?
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July 30, 2009 9:36pm
philu

ist yr..?..b com..?

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July 30, 2009 9:58pm
philu

aww..!..isn’t that cute..?

pat and nic thumbs-upped each other.

..that’s called a mutual-thumbing..

..or being thumbed..

..(it’s still legal..as i understand it.)

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July 30, 2009 10:01pm
nickb

haha not bad phil not bad.
Nup, 3rd year law, not one of those wishy washy management types.

Now phil, are you ready to tell us why you feel you are entitled to be paid a living by the taxpayer as opposed to earning it?
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July 30, 2009 10:06pm
wreck1080

I am going to defend Roger Douglas.

As a long serving MP, he has already qualified for cheap airtravel for the rest of his life. This is part of his package, and Helen Clark and others are also entitled to the same benefits.

The real issue, is should long term service benefits continue to be bestowed to MP’s? I think not. It is a relic of the past, for the times when an MP and a cop were paid the same. MP’s salaries have leapt, so they should forgo air travel perks.
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