General Debate 21 July 2009

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Cerium

Another editorial on Elias

“…in speaking out she was implicitly raising one rather large and inconvenient truth: that the crime and punishment auction presided over by successive governments in this country – which has the second-highest imprisonment rate among the world’s developed nations – is not working.

A careful reading of Dame Sian’s speech shows an internationally respected intelligence and expertise – not least in constitutional matters, it might be added – applied to issues she has dealt with daily for 40 years.

If, as a country, New Zealand is unable to take advantage of that invaluable repository of experience, at the very least by being coaxed into a calm and rational discussion of a criminal justice system rapidly approaching crisis, what hope is there?

Far from being castigated, the Chief Justice is to be commended for offering some pertinent starting points. ”

http://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/editorial/66124/talking-about-justice
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July 21, 2009 8:17am
Redbaiter

Birth Certificate issue starts to take off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V1nmn2zRMc&e

Reportedly hundreds of soldiers are refusing to enlist until Obama, as Commander in Chief, proves he was born in America as US Presidents have to be.

would lamers who know little about this issue please refrain from referring to the Certification of Live Birth (not an actual Birth Certificate) and previously debunked attempts at neutralising this issue on Snopes and elsewhere.

All Obama has to do to make this entire issue go away is show his actual Birth Certificate, and cease spending millions in legal fees to keep it under wraps.

(I know that’s too hard for sundry leftists)
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July 21, 2009 8:36am
MyNameIsJack

Redbaiter (6909) Vote: 0 0 Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 8:36 am
Birth Certificate issue starts to take off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V1nmn2zRMc&e

Reportedly hundreds of soldiers are refusing to enlist …

You’re as ignorant as pig shit. A person who refuses to enlist is not a soldier; he is a civilian, and probably a lot smarter than you.
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July 21, 2009 8:39am
Cerium

FFS Red.

Do you think the moon landing was real?
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July 21, 2009 8:41am
Redbaiter

” which has the second-highest imprisonment rate among the world’s developed nations ”

What the fuck is wrong with these morons who keep citing this fact as if it is some kind of factor to be considered in letting crims out on to the streets.

The reason there are more NZers in jail is because there are more crimes committed. NZ is second in overall crime. Naturally the country should be second in incarceration rates.

The only logical point to be made from this is that more criminals should be in jail.

The responsibility of the justice system is to keep citizens free from crime, not pander to the people committing it.
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July 21, 2009 8:43am
Don the Kiwi

Who else is pissed off that the poms beat the Aussies in the cricket?
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July 21, 2009 8:44am
Ross Nixon

The Birth Certicate issue has been going for what, maybe 12 months? That is plenty of time for Obama’s accolytes to make a high quality forgery of the full-form certificate and plant it in one of the two hospitals in Hawaii that he claims he was born in. Perhap he is waiting till the ‘birthers’ ae screaming louder before dropping this bomb on them?
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July 21, 2009 8:46am
peterwn

Unfortunately the general public mood is for hard-nosed treatment of criminals, especially from victims. If politicians want to have a majority in Parliament they have to factor this into their policies, even if it is not the ‘optimum’ solution. The CJ may be right, but her views are quite politically ‘unwelcome’ at this time.

I am sure John Key and co would like nothing better than to empty out prisons if there was some better way of dealing with offenders and there was confidence in society that they would not re-offend.

In this regard, I consider it was wrong that a 89 year old person was imprisoned for historic sexual offending. It serves no useful purpose than to appease the victims. It is not even a deterrence since it was historic offending and would have minimal deterrence effect on any current potential offending. He apparently did mislead the judge on the matter of reparation which ‘triggered’ imprisonment, but one has to ask – was he a bit ga-ga when he claimed he could pay reparation.
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July 21, 2009 8:48am
Inventory2

An open memo to Phil Goff

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/07/memo-to-phil.html

Seems as though he jumped the gun with the “dole for everyone” plan, according to Espiner G. He looks more like a long-term opposition leader every day 😉
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July 21, 2009 8:51am
Cerium

“high quality forgery of the full-form certificate ”

If you carefully read Nostradamus you will find that he predicted this.
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July 21, 2009 8:51am
Inventory2

@ Don the Kiwi – far from it! Can you imagine how insuffereable Punter Ponting would have been had the Ockers won with a world record chase? It doesn’t bear thinking about!
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July 21, 2009 8:52am
Redbaiter

Shows on CNN relating to the birth certificate issue drew a huge increase in viewers. Mainstream websites touching on the issue have been rewarded with massive jumps in visits.

When there is obviously such interest in this issue, why does the bulk of the mainstream media refuse to award it athe attention it deserves??

Because they are all in the tank for Obama. Destroyers of democracy.

All that has to happen to neutralize this whole issue is for Obama to provide his actual Birth Certificate.

The same certificates that McCain and Bush had to supply.

Its that easy.

Why doesn’t he do it???

The mainstream media subpoened George Bush’s dental records, and faked documents to try and prove he deserted his post at the National guard.

That they do not ask Obama to prove he was born in the US, and show his Birth Certificate, is proof of how utterly politically corrupted our news media has become.
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July 21, 2009 8:52am
Andrew W

“Who else is pissed off that the poms beat the Aussies in the cricket?”

Some Aussies.
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July 21, 2009 8:56am
Glutaemus Maximus

Bat Ears Obama, ‘The Chosen One’ is a born again spender.

A hawk on Foreign policy, but a feckless irresponsible wastrel.

He is after all the mouthpiece for the Clintons. Nothing more, and nothing less.
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July 21, 2009 8:58am
Glutaemus Maximus

Nice that pom is in full lower case. lovely!
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July 21, 2009 8:59am
nickb

When will the Nats make student unionism voluntary?
Again in the Nexus yesterday I had to read the usual left wing dribble about the evil tories not doing enough for students. This got me thinking. If we say that the govt already subsidises about 80% of course fees, (average fee being say $4000), a student can get an interest free loan, and student allowance of around 6-$7000 per year, the government can subsidise each tertiary student in the country upwards of $20,000.00 per year, not taking into account the cost to the Crown coffers of interest free loans… And where does this money come from? The taxpayer? Or pixies down in the garden printing cash? I think student unions and their mates in the Labour PArty must think the latter….

What more do these greedy idiots want? And i’m paying to read this rubbish through the $90 a year I get stolen from me.
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July 21, 2009 9:20am
side show bob

I read somewhere that macdaddy’s (Obama) first order of business when he became president was to sign an executive order barring the release of his birth certificate. Something is not right with this man!.
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July 21, 2009 9:23am
Redbaiter

Lou Dobbs, well known CNN leftist, awakes to the facts on Obama’s certificate and states clearly on his radio show that there is no proof that Obama was born in the US.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo-hucUVGmU&feature=channel
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July 21, 2009 9:25am
starboard

Unfortunately the general public mood is for hard-nosed treatment of criminals, especially from victims..

..so if your wife and daughter were say , raped by an intruder and bashed to within an inch of their lives..you would hug the offender? Give me a break…

In this regard, I consider it was wrong that a 89 year old person was imprisoned for historic sexual offending..

..so he gets away with it? What about the victim?? Still living with the assault…another fucken apologist
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July 21, 2009 9:27am
Cerium

“There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact’s conclusion that the candidate’s name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn’t authentic. And that’s true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust.”

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

And yeah, I’m aware this is unlikely to change any minds.
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July 21, 2009 9:32am
stephen

Who else is pissed off that the poms beat the Aussies in the cricket?

Happy days, lets see if they can keep it up 😀
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July 21, 2009 9:37am
David Farrar

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Not only have their staff seen the short-form birth certificate, they have taken a photo of it. Also they have a copy of his birth notice in the Honolulu Advertiser. They note:

“Of course, it’s distantly possible that Obama’s grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday.”
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July 21, 2009 9:37am
big bruv

Don

I am with you on this, I always hate it when the Poms win.
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July 21, 2009 9:40am
philu

any (local) collapsitarians out there..?

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/are-you-a-collapsitariani-think-i-might-be-verging-on-iteh/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 21, 2009 9:41am
Redbaiter

Fuckwit, please just crawl back under your rock and stop wasting time with partisan crap from Obama supporters. You’re light years behind.

Obama has never released a “BIRTH CERTIFICATE”.

The document you refer to is a “Certification of Live Birth”, frequently given to children born outside the US.

Just Google on the issue and you’ll learn the difference. Time wasting fuckwit.

On second thoughts, don’t do it. Just go way. Your original prejudicial coments on this issue demonstrate your ignorance and your bigotry, and preclude you from any serious discussion anyway.
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July 21, 2009 9:41am
big bruv

Did anybody else catch Lindsay Mitchell on breakfast TV this morning?

This story is going to run for some time.
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July 21, 2009 9:43am
philu

heh..!..check out who the birth-certificate-hysterics are..

..(the usual suspects..)

..and i have a message for young hurf..

..continue on the path you are..?

..then look to redbaiter..

..as to what you will become..

..when you get old..

(’nuff said..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 21, 2009 9:45am
Ross Nixon

DPF, Factcheck is not a neutral source. It has links to Obama and friends. And, if you didn’t know, the short-form certificate was available in the 1960s to children not actually born in Hawaii.
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July 21, 2009 9:45am
Redbaiter

“Not only have their staff seen the short-form birth certificate, they have taken a photo of it.”

Mr Farrar, for chrissakes man, there is no problem with the document that you call the short form certificate , but is in reality termed the Certification of Live Birth.

It is a completely different document to a Birth Certificate.

Even a cursury search on the net will demonstrate the stark difference between the two documents.

BTW, there is no evidence of Obama living at the address stated in the newspaper announcement, and this was frequently done as a device to assist in gaining US citizenship for children born offshore.

Open your mind.
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July 21, 2009 9:49am
Cerium

“Your original prejudicial coments on this issue demonstrate your ignorance and your bigotry, and preclude you from any serious discussion anyway.”

Ok, I’ll leave it to your intelligence and balance.

BTW, what is the position on this of that other “partisan bunch of ignorant bigots”, the Republicans?
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July 21, 2009 9:52am
Redbaiter

Obama should be held accountable, and produce a BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

This is the point the lady in the video referenced above was making.

Obama has to be held to account.
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July 21, 2009 9:54am
Cerium

I think there are a few more important things for him to worry about than re-proving his bloody birth state to those that won’t listen anyway.

Have you taken the time to read Factchecker or Politifact? Or would you rather not?
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July 21, 2009 10:00am
jarbury

Who else is pissed off that the poms beat the Aussies in the cricket?

Hell no. I’m loving it!

How come DPF only makes posts refering to newspaper editorials that opposed Sian Elias’ comments?
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July 21, 2009 10:04am
philu

this is a thoughtful/’real’ piece on michael jackson..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/jamie-lee-curtis-king-of-painand-i-too-became-addicted-the-morphine-becomes-the-warm-bath-from-which-to-escape-painful-reality/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 21, 2009 10:09am
MyNameIsJack

jarbury (362) Vote: 0 0 Says:

How come DPF only makes posts refering to newspaper editorials that opposed Sian Elias’ comments?

because he is a National party shill?
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July 21, 2009 10:11am
Glutaemus Maximus

Not only are the Yanqui MSM fully warped towards the Democrats, it is also easy to see that the BBC is showing its true colours recently.

This is a clue as to the problem.

http://plato-says.blogspot.com/2009/07/facebook-reveals-bbc-political-bias.html
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July 21, 2009 10:14am
Andrew W

If that Certificate of live birth isn’t a birth certificate it’s doing a bloody good impersonation:

Childs name, Sex, Date of birth, hour of birth, city, town or location of birth, County of birth, Island of birth, Mothers maiden name, Mothers race, Fathers name, Fathers race, Date filed by Registrar August 8, 1961.

How about a link to a site (other than a rabid right blog) that claims that a Certificate of live birth isn’t a birth certificate?
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July 21, 2009 10:15am
Rakaia George

You’re as ignorant as pig shit. A person who refuses to enlist is not a soldier; he is a civilian, and probably a lot smarter than you.

US soldiers have to re-enlist periodically, but don’t let that get in the way of a good unthinking abusive knee-jerk response eh?
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July 21, 2009 10:25am
ovation

heh, the idea of Redbaiter telling someone to “open your mind” leaves me quite tickled.

[Expected reply to save him the trouble]

Fuck off Ovation you liberal commie creep. Its fuckwits like you in the left leaning viper nest we call the media that ruin this country.
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July 21, 2009 10:28am
MyNameIsJack

George, red clearly used the word “enlist”, not “re-enlist” or any derivative.

So fuck off and join him in the thick as pig shit pile thataway >>>>>>>
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July 21, 2009 10:50am
Redbaiter

Look, any Obama supporter who wishes to debunk the Birth Certificate only has to deal with the following logic trails:

In the US, where the Constitution demands that a President should be born in the US, and Arnold Schwarzneggar was denied a run for President becasue of his Austrian birth, should Brack Obama need to furnish proof of his US birth.

Obviously the answer is yes.

This only then leaves the following question to be dealt with.

Has Obama proved that he is a US citizen?

I assert he has not, becasue the Certification of Live Birth that he has supplied is not the same thing as a Birth Certificate.

Everyone born in the US has a Birth Certificate.

The Certification of Live Birth is pictured here:

http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/Gudeldar/obama-birth-certificate1.jpg

An actual Birth Certificate is pictured here.

http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg

Anybody who maintains there is no difference between the two documents needs to see a shrink right now.

[DPF: But US law is explicit that the short-form certificate constitutes legal proof. This is why the court cases have been lost. Obama has proven he is a citizen with the proof required under US law]
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July 21, 2009 11:09am
Ross Nixon

More on the two types of certificate. From WikiAnswers, http://tinyurl.com/l9dy76 There are 3 official looking references there where I assume the info came from.
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July 21, 2009 11:13am
Redbaiter

“[Expected reply to save him the trouble]”

Not really, the over-riding impression I receive from your post is one of smug ignorance and self congratulatory narcissism.
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July 21, 2009 11:17am
Andrew W

Red, both those links show “Certificate Of Live Birth”
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July 21, 2009 11:25am
Andrew W

Sorry “certification” vs “certificate”
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July 21, 2009 11:28am
wreck1080

Ha ha I just heard the funniest thing.

Labour are launching an inquiry into bank interest rates. Did labour forget that they lost the last election?

I hope the bank managers issue trespass notices against labour ministers banging on their doors.

Labour do not care about those who have savings. Especially some of the older folk , whose capital income has halved.
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July 21, 2009 11:32am
Cerium

“smug ignorance and self congratulatory narcissism”

Can’t have any of that on here, can we Red.
And better skip the humour too? But it’s hard not to laugh sometimes.
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July 21, 2009 11:36am
Andrew W

The “Certificate Of Live Birth” is the birth certificate signed by the doctor at the time of birth, the “certification of birth” is the form generated by the health system as a record of that birth. I’m sure there are quite a few people who have for whatever reason lost or misplaced the original certificate, and rely on the “certification” form as proof of birth.

By the arguments you’re using, doubt can be cast on any American about their citizenship if they can can only produce the “certification” rather than the original certificate.

I doubt than any “certifications” handed out to immigrants to the US have US locations as place of birth.
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July 21, 2009 11:40am
thedavincimode

FFS people, DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT get MNI Jerk aka Borker started on the war thing. Some of you will recall from ANZAC day contribution that he is passionate in his anti-war views and in fact, he felt so strongly about this that after wrestling with his conscience on the issue, he decided to go to jail rather than be conscripted during the Vietnam war.

After a further bout of conscience wrestling, lasting approximately 1 nano second, he did a runner. Phew!
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July 21, 2009 11:59am
Redbaiter

“But US law is explicit that the short-form certificate constitutes legal proof. ”

That cannot be right. Do you have a source? There are people born outside the US with the COLB form but no US birth certificate.

There is a lot of legal opinion out there that states the COLB is not accepted in some places as proof of USA birth.

I think your assertion is wrong.

The POTUS has to be born in the US, and the Birth Certificate proves it. Until Obama presents the Birth certificate, the speculation will persist. He keeps it hidden, and has in the least few weeks, changed his story on what hospital he was born in.

Momentum is growing on this issue.

Obama has previously claimed he would not produce the Birth certificate because he did not have to. Not because he does not have one.

The story was it was under lock and key in the Hawaiian hospital he was born in.

It can all be stopped by Obama presenting the real certificate.

Why doesn’t he??
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July 21, 2009 12:11pm
RightNow

Just to change the subject. From a recent event that happened to a colleague it appears there is no law in NZ to stop anyone dumping rubbish in someone else’s property unless they’ve previously been trespassed from the property. The police say they have no power to act even if you know who dumped the rubbish, and the dumping of the rubbish itself isn’t a crime (the actual crime would only be if the dumper was trespassing).
Could save a bit on council rubbish bags I suppose.
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July 21, 2009 12:38pm
MyNameIsJack

Redbaiter (6918) Vote: 1 1 Says:

July 21st, 2009 at 12:11 pm

It can all be stopped by Obama presenting the real certificate.

Why doesn’t he??

Coz he’s pissing himself laughing watching your antics.
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July 21, 2009 12:48pm
Redbaiter

In fact, here is the declaration from a senior Hawaiian health dept official, Dr. Fukino-

“I have personally seen and verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

So all he has to do is show that certificate.

Anyone out there got a good reason as to why he refuses to do so, and has spent millions fighting off law suits to keep the Birth Certificate under wraps??
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July 21, 2009 12:51pm
Redbaiter

Fuck off Jerkoff. You’re just a twelve year old with a computer. Find somewhere else to scream for attention.
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July 21, 2009 12:52pm
Redbaiter

Obama’s half-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng also has a Hawaiian short form Certification of Live Birth yet readily admits she was born in Indonesia in 1970.
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July 21, 2009 1:09pm
burt

Redbaiter

Perhaps he has fathers name registered as ‘unknown’. Perhaps his gender is recorded as ‘indeterminate’.

There may be many reasons that he isn’t keen to have his birth certificate made public. I think if he wants to be president then disclosure is the price he pays – but I don’t make the rules.
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July 21, 2009 1:15pm
Redbaiter

Burt, the momentum is growing.

The people will bring this to a head.

The politicians are too gutless, the media are too corrupt, but those citizens of the US who value their Constitution as the greatest document ever written, will speak out and force this issue to a conclusion.

This will be a victory for the people over the political gangsterism that is engulfing the USA.
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July 21, 2009 1:19pm
Cerium

Seems like you are trying to knock over an elephant with a fake feather.

“there remain some people in the United States unable to accept that the country elected a self-described “skinny kid with a funny name” who was born in Hawaii to a black father from Kenya and a white mother from Kansas.”

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Mar30/0,4670,ObamaRaceandRumor,00.html

But there could be something to cheer about…

“Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin says she’d come out ahead if she went one-on-one with fellow jogger President Obama in a long run, according to an interview published online Tuesday. “I betcha I’d have more endurance,” she told Runner’s World magazine.”

But she may need that endurance…

“A new Rasmussen poll out Monday shows Mitt Romney tied in a hypothetical matchup against President Obama in 2012….The poll, taken July 18-19, showed Romney and Obama tied at 45 percent each. It also had Obama beating Palin, the outgoing Alaska governor, 48 percent to 42 percent. ”

But then, who would trust Fox?
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July 21, 2009 1:22pm
MyNameIsJack

“Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin says she’d come out ahead if she went one-on-one with fellow jogger President Obama in a long run, according to an interview published online Tuesday. “I betcha I’d have more endurance,” she told Runner’s World magazine.”

Is that the same endurance she has shown as Sarah ‘No ticker” Palin, the elected governor of Alaska, who has run away from the job because people weren’t nice to her?

The Wassilla Wannabe has finally found her niche – running away from things.
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July 21, 2009 1:29pm
Redbaiter

“Anyone out there got a good reason as to why he refuses to do so, and has spent millions fighting off law suits to keep the Birth Certificate under wraps??”

I guess not.
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July 21, 2009 1:43pm
Cerium

Anyone got any reason to care? It’s a non-issue in the US (outside the “any excuse for losing the election” brigade), so why would anyone bother about it here?
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July 21, 2009 1:55pm
MyNameIsJack

About the only one who does is redsterbator, and its fun watching him. Trouble is, the fun has a serious side. Redsterbator is the type of traitor who would sell us out to the US for a sniff of sarah palin’s running shoes.

Lord only knows what he’d do if he had a real issue to worry about.
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July 21, 2009 1:58pm
backster

CEERIUM:::::::::Yet another point of view on the ex treaty lawyer and present Chief Justice. This from RichardLong in today’s Dom;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

NION: Frankly, there is a case for Chief Justice Dame Sian Elias to be banged up in the slammer herself, along with some of her colleagues.

Not for challenging the size of the jail population and suggesting a prisoner amnesty, but for presiding over the outrageous waste of public expenditure involved in the new $80 million Supreme Court building in Wellington.

Restoration of the old High Court building, to house a Supreme Court of only five judges, was initially to cost $20 million. That was exorbitant enough. But now the cost has gone from $4 million a judge to $16 million a head.

The judiciary and the last government decided that the renovated old High Court would not be grand enough and that they could not fit the five judges, with their court and chambers, into the old category one-listed historic building.

So taxpayers were then landed with funding a new structure for the Supreme Court while still restoring the old High Court building.

A bit of double-bunking in one of those flash new container prison cells sounds like just the thing to bring the judiciary down to earth.

If anyone had the slightest inkling of this runaway cost of a Supreme Court, who would have voted for cutting our links with the Privy Council?

That gave us an alternative final court of appeal on the cheap – in a manner more befitting our circumstances as a tiny, hugely indebted country.

The growing band of unemployed, pensioners, those who have lost money in finance house crashes, and those having trouble meeting their power and food bills, are likely to take a dim view of paying for these grandiose plans by the judiciary.

Justice Minister Simon Power is getting it in the neck from the liberals for telling Dame Sian that, contrary to her suggestion, it is not Government policy to offer an amnesty to prisoners to get jail numbers down.

He could offer, as a counter, to divert a few of those containers from Corrections to Justice to house the Supreme Court judges in the meantime, while reconsideration is given to the question of judicial accommodation and to possible re-establishment of links with the Privy Council.
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July 21, 2009 2:36pm
Tauhei Notts

The cricket test was fascinating.
I hate Poms and Aussies so I wanted both teams to lose.
I was able to watch the late night play in a balanced manner. I have a chip on each shoulder.
Strauss’ sportsmanlike nature was almost enough to qualify him for Australian citizenship.
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July 21, 2009 2:45pm
grumpyoldhori

Damn some Democrats are bloody evil.
My nephew is over from the states and he was saying when it comes time for the Republican primaries where they are open they are looking at forming a Democrats for Palin movement to get Democrats to vote for Palin .

Of course once she has won the primary then they will find some white clean skins to go along to her rants all holding a monkey and screaming he is a ni**er from time to time.
Evil bugger, but hey you do what ever it takes to win like Bush did when it was suggested that McCain had fathered a black baby.
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July 21, 2009 2:52pm
racer1

Can you tell us RedBaiter why he needs to make it public, If the relevant officials, who’s job it is to know the difference, have seen it and signed it off.
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July 21, 2009 2:53pm
racer1

“grumpyoldhori

Damn some Democrats are bloody evil.
My nephew is over from the states and he was saying when it comes time for the Republican primaries where they are open they are looking at forming a Democrats for Palin movement to get Democrats to vote for Palin .”

My understanding is they register themselves as republicans in order to prevent themselves being un-registered in secret in the run up to the election.
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July 21, 2009 2:56pm
Redbaiter

“It’s a non-issue in the US”

Yeah, if anyone would know that, a troglodyte like you would.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2297151/posts
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July 21, 2009 3:23pm
Ryan Sproull

Can you tell us RedBaiter why he needs to make it public, If the relevant officials, who’s job it is to know the difference, have seen it and signed it off.

Racer, doesn’t putting those words in that order give you a chill?
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July 21, 2009 3:27pm
bananapants

Why did stuff.co.nz post that Clayton Weatherston has been found guilty of murder when the jury hasn’t come back in yet?

http://74.125.155.132/search?rlz=1C1CHMG_enNZ291NZ304&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=cache:www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/2613300/Weatherston-guilty-of-murder
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July 21, 2009 4:24pm
Youth Against Child Abuse

Youth Against Child Abuse has launched a video series aimed at trying to gather ideas to fight child abuse.

Ex MP Marc Alexander is the first to be interviewed.

http://yaca.org.nz/?p=27
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July 21, 2009 4:24pm
grumpyoldhori

The free republic red boy, the same outfit that stated Malia Obama was a crack whore.
You believe the shit they spout.
Get help red, you need it.
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July 21, 2009 4:32pm
ovation

Ha! Youth against Child Abuse, similar to other ventures such as Pine Trees against Logging and Cows against beef farming.

and I am losing the sombre tone I’m supposed to adopt when it comes to that phrase, because I know your motives.
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July 21, 2009 4:37pm
Hurf Durf

“the same outfit that stated Malia Obama was a crack whore.”

You paying attention, grumpyoldmoron?

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/07/daily-kos-racist-nutjob-caught-in.html
http://gawker.com/5312952/hate-speech-against-malia-obama-on-conservative-blogs-reported-by-hate-speech-planting-journalist

Sounds just like the kind of thing your nephew was talking about. But of course, the tolerant left would never do something so underhand and offensive, would they?
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July 21, 2009 4:56pm
Hurf Durf

And phool, at least Redbaiter is somewhat coherent. I’ll hedge my bets with the people who can use full stops.
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July 21, 2009 5:02pm
thedavincimode

backster

Exactly. Quite apart from the fact that we had access to the best legal brains in the biz, whereas now … rummage, rummage, fumble grope ah yes, … if we promote this below average duty solicitor to the District Court, we can promote this District Court Judge to the High Court, meaning we can promote that High Court Judge to the Court of Appeal and shunt the Court of Appeal to the Supreme Court, meaning that we can now drag Ted Thomas out of retirement … aaarrrgghhhh …

… instant judicial horsepower!!!! Holy cow Batman, now EVERYONE is smarter than they were 5 minutes ago!!
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July 21, 2009 5:16pm
kaya

I am gobsmacked the jury in the Weatherston case couldn’t get their verdict in 2 hours………also blown away by Potter’s summing up, shocking.
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July 21, 2009 7:28pm
philu

is that the ‘full-stop-rationale’..there..hurf..?

..(and for what..?..)

good luck with that..eh..?

(whatever it is..)

and red..’somewhat coherent’..?

heh..!..don’t go overboard with your support/praise..eh..?

..is he also ‘somewhat’ sane..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 21, 2009 7:31pm
Hurf Durf

Yes. Which makes him 500 times more sane than you are.
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July 21, 2009 11:48pm
kaya

On late news tonight an article about the Iranian Government using DPI (Deep Packet Inspection) to monitor their own citizens internet traffic after the recent unrest. Similar to the filtering scheme mentioned in the Herald and on a recent topic here. This is a classic example of the potential for abuse by those in power. Apparently the US and the UK also use it to monitor for terrorist internet traffic.
Looks like they can also redirect traffic to show what they would like it to show. Is this technology being used here or is it still a proposal? Objection to this needs to be brought to the attention of politicians. The slow creep to 1984 is continuing.
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