General Debate 20 July 2009

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Ross Nixon

Complaint to commission over flagpole sale
(from stuff.co.nz) 7:19am An ancestor of Hone Heke has lodged a complaint with the Human Rights Commission regarding plans for a piece of flagpole, allegedly chopped down by the Ngapuhi chief, to be auctioned.

Who do my ancestors have to put in a claim to, to get back their castle in France?
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July 20, 2009 8:01am
petal

” The US military has denounced the release of a video showing a soldier captured in Afghanistan, describing the images as Taliban propaganda that violate international law.”

Pot. Kettle.
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July 20, 2009 8:03am
Murray

Big chunks of Argyle Ross, wheres my life time entitlement of haggis and scotch goddammit???
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July 20, 2009 8:15am
MeneerCronje

Paying a levy for downloading amnesty?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/2607632/Labour-floats-copyright-levy

Fantastic idea – 92a is a progress killer.
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July 20, 2009 8:25am
peterwn

Many years ago, locals asked the County Councl chairman of the Te Kaha area (on East Coast south of Opotiki) when they were going to get electricity. “Never” he responded. Later he relented slightly and said “When man lands on the moon”. His prediction was spot on – the old New Zealand Electricity Department butilt a 50kV line from Opotiki and a substation there using second hand (or more ‘hand’) equipment and comissioned it about the time man landed on the moon 40 years ago.
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July 20, 2009 8:27am
Tauhei Notts

All this forty years ago celebration today.
The moon landings happened on Monday 21st July 1969. Indeed, the Auckland Star on that day headed their paper Moonday July 21, 1969.
The celebrations should be tomorrow!
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July 20, 2009 8:33am
philu

a recently visiting expat..has had a serious moan in the herald today..about the dire state of the offerings on tv one..(our ‘flagship’..)

..so..to test his thesis..

..i’ve done a mini-audit of this weeks (evening) programmes from tv one..

..and..whoar..!

..what unadulterated crap..!

..and it’s wall-to-wall..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/commentwhoartv-one-descends-to-mind-numbing-stupidityyou-betchaheylets-mini-audit-them/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 20, 2009 8:45am
expat

as oppposed to unmitigated pap on UK TV? What a fricking cheek!
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July 20, 2009 8:48am
Dave Mann

I have always thought it really wierd that mankind would have landed on the moon, then gone back a couple of times, and then completely lost interest! I mean… WTF? I know it was all about the race for supremacy against the Soviets etc etc… but surely there should have been more to it than just touching it and saying nah nah nah to the Russians? Surely…? I guess not though. Still really wierd….

I bet the Chinese go there, claim the place and stay.
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July 20, 2009 8:51am
MyNameIsJack

Ross Nixon (263) Vote: 2 0 Says:

July 20th, 2009 at 8:01 am
Complaint to commission over flagpole sale
(from stuff.co.nz) 7:19am An ancestor of Hone Heke …

How stupid. Do you ahve to be stupid to be right wing, or does it happen later?

As far as i know, all Hone heke’s ancestors are dead, what do you know that I don’t?
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July 20, 2009 9:00am
Inventory2

@ MNIJ – do you have to work at being a hate-filled troll, or does it come naturally?
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July 20, 2009 9:19am
scrubone

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/07/2-pounds-of-frozen-ham-in-stimulus-bill.html

$500,000 per pound of ham.

Must have been tasty!
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July 20, 2009 9:32am
scrubone

Dave Mann:

Well, the US is going to go back soon, and stay for quite a while.

The trouble is, budgets. Once they’d made it, reality kicked in and they just couldn’t justify the money anymore.
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July 20, 2009 9:33am
Owen McShane

There is an international date line. So the 20th July is the 21st July here.
Just as 9/11 in the US was 10/11 here.
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July 20, 2009 9:37am
Redbaiter

“Pot. Kettle.”

Ignorant fuckwit. Put panties on his head did they???

You scum who support terrorists like the Taliban by doing their propaganda should be made to go and fight with them. Get on a plane and get over their and join them arsehole. Maybe you can help them when they saw his head off.
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July 20, 2009 9:43am
Brian Smaller

Red – the moral equivalence so beloved by the left sees no difference between making fun of someone and sawing their head off with a knife. Both are equally atrocious to them. Except of course that making fun of someone should be protested and condemned but head sawing shouldn’t because the cutters are anti-West.
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July 20, 2009 9:49am
Andrew W

“Pot. Kettle.”

Actually Western nations rarely put pows on display, apparently (believe it or not) it’s against the Geneva convention.
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July 20, 2009 9:54am
Andrew W

The big space programs around the world never get anywhere in the long run because they’re all state monopolies.
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July 20, 2009 10:00am
toad

Dave Mann said: I have always thought it really wierd that mankind would have landed on the moon, then gone back a couple of times, and then completely lost interest!

They didn’t lose interest – they found Ian Wishart there during the last landing and were too frightened to go back!
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July 20, 2009 10:12am
MyNameIsJack

Andrew W (1288) Vote: 0 1 Says:

July 20th, 2009 at 10:00 am
The big space programs around the world never get anywhere in the long run because they’re all state monopolies.

And I see the long lines of capitalists forming to explore space, don’t I?

Nope, not all. Just bunches of them lining up, after the fact, to take any profit there is to be had.
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July 20, 2009 10:16am
Brian Smaller

At risk of sounding too much like MINJ, what are your thoughts on the primitive superstition that sees houses getting burnt down because there was a murder there? Fuckers should be charged with arson and made to repay every cent of the cost of rebuilding. These arseholes never burn their own houses down.

I had a house in Lower Hutt where there was a murder. I was terrified that it would be torched. I had only just done it up the year before and it was really sweet – new paint, carpets, curtains.
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July 20, 2009 10:17am
MyNameIsJack

Redbaiter (6884) 2 2 Says:

July 20th, 2009 at 9:43 am
“Pot. Kettle.”

Ignorant fuckwit. Put panties on his head did they???

You scum who support terrorists like the Taliban by doing their propaganda should be made to go and fight with them.

What are you doing here Redsterbator? Why aren’t you in the forces?

Typical wanking arm chair general, loves a war as long as somebody else’s kids are getting killed. If you’re so concerned, buy a plane ticket and go shoot a few Afghans yourself.

You are nothing but an ignorant, war mongering, gutless coward.
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July 20, 2009 10:20am
Andrew W

MNIJ, there are several private outfits launching now – at competitive rates, it’s only the last couple of Republican administrations that have changed things, several times in the past NASA has used it’s political clout to stop competition, usually using bogus safety issues.
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July 20, 2009 10:24am
adc

latest big-brother antics….

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10585507

a terrible idea, given their chances of actually doing it right are about 0.
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July 20, 2009 10:25am
MyNameIsJack

No, that’s private enterprise at work. Its only big brother when the government does it.
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July 20, 2009 10:27am
adc

MNIJ

I think the subtlety of your first comment was lost.

For the benefit of those who don’t get it, ancestors of Hone Heke (born around 1807) to be alive now would need to be well over 200 yrs old.

His descendants on the other hand….

But since when does vandalising something make it yours?
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July 20, 2009 10:36am
MyNameIsJack

When you’re maori?
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July 20, 2009 10:39am
xxx

I bet the Chinese go there, claim the place and stay.

Not only that, they’d mine the moon rocks, bind the dust with pig spittle and cut the resulting mush into noodles – claiming it improves your sex life. Is there anything those guys won’t eat?
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July 20, 2009 11:04am
xxx

But since when does vandalising something make it yours?

when you’re an indigenous people. Colonials on the other hand have to shoot the occupants and map the land before it’s considered theirs. Takes more effort but generally it trumps vandalism every time.
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July 20, 2009 11:08am
cha

Why go to the moon?, helium-3 as the perfect fuel.
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July 20, 2009 11:14am
stephen

I bet the Chinese go there, claim the place and stay.

The Japanese and Indians are keen too. What a load of wank.

edit: i’d want to sort out property issues before going there to claim all the helium-3, yup.
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July 20, 2009 11:21am
kiwipolemicist

Over the weekend I read the Blameless Babes speech by Sian Elias. She’s a forty-year lawyer so I was expecting a well-constructed argument to support the point that she wanted to make. A logical progression with each point progressively building a strong argument isn’t much to ask.

Instead the speech waffled and wandered, had very little structure, and required a bit of hunting to find the point. This went on for 16 pages and it’s a damn good sleeping pill. How did this woman get to be on the Supreme Court bench and be the Chief Justice? If her speech is anything to go by her qualifications are political and chromosomal, not intellectual.

http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/07/19/sian-elias-and-the-blameless-babes-speech/
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July 20, 2009 11:24am
xxx

Speaking of Justice Sian NAMBY Elias, and her ideas about refocusing the system onto freeing offenders rather than helping victims, I read an opinion piece by Paul Holmes during the weekend. He supports the idea too. But that night I saw a TV trailer for a programme on the drug P, with him in it commenting that he wouldn’t allow his daughter back into his home. You can see that programme tomorrow night on channel one. It’ll be interesting to see how refusing to deal with his families crime issues in his home and community reconciles with his claim that communities should have more problems, like his families crime issues, to deal with. Should be interesting viewing.
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July 20, 2009 12:41pm
MeneerCronje

kiwipolemicist – how is it then that poor, abused, love-starved children are so disproportionately represented in the world behind bars?

quoting from your site – “the phrase “blameless babes” indicates that Elias and Smith believe that children are born innately (naturally) good and are then corrupted (made evil) by an external factor or factors. That is a pile of nappy filler, because children are born innately evil. That is why they will disobey their parents at the first available opportunity”
We all have the capacity for evil, sure (I have to suppress mine every day) – but without any constructive nurturing or foreseeable financial/happiness reward, there is not much incentive to walk the straight line. Much easier to atrophy into the “Sid Vicious/No Future” mindset that leads to drugs (not for recreation), and chasing easy money (crime).

Don’t blame babies, blame the great stupid criminal oafs they turned into, expand the prison real-estate with funding from cutbacks on luxuries in prison and make the worst criminals double-bunk.
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July 20, 2009 2:15pm
xxx

crime as easy money? Dream on. Going to work at a supermarket till, or clearing trolleys is easy money. Come home, have a shit, watch tv, heat up a dinner in the microwave, go to bed, repeat for the rest of your life. No thought, no planning, no incentive to grow. Successful crime on the other hand, stuff where you get paid and not caught, is difficult. Any criminal who committs successful crimes would be able to rival the average CEO for market smarts. Underemployment should be a crime. In the technological age we live in, anyone engaged in or offering it is either insane or communist.
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July 20, 2009 2:47pm
MeneerCronje

Putting a gun to your head and taking your wallet is EASY. Taking electronic equipment from homes with no alarms is EASY. Risky, but EASY. (Please pardon the capital letters – I’m not shouting just emphasizing)
Busting your butt STANDING behind a supermarket till for 8+ hours for a minimum wage is NOT easy.
Comparing successful criminals to a C-level executive? There’s a gap in that comparison not worth explaining I’m afraid.
Unemployment in NZ? Not high enough to justify the crime rates.
If only the unskilled labour force were content with shitting, sleeping and working for minimum wage there would not be the same amount of crime to deal with.
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July 20, 2009 3:25pm
Grant Michael McKenna

Hey philu; Danyl Mclauchlan’s comment on “The ridiculous 40% by 2020 campaign” at 4:53 pm: try the experiment for us would you please?
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July 20, 2009 5:22pm
kiwipolemicist

MeneerCronje @ 2:15
how is it then that poor, abused, love-starved children are so disproportionately represented in the world behind bars [when they become adults]?

Child-raising of that type is often part of the criminal world view, but, as I said in my post, it is important to not confuse coincidence and causality. In other words, abuse and deprivation of love are not in and of themselves causes of criminality, but often occur where criminality is found.

We all have the capacity for evil, sure (I have to suppress mine every day) – but without any constructive nurturing or foreseeable financial/happiness reward, there is not much incentive to walk the straight line. Much easier to atrophy into the “Sid Vicious/No Future” mindset that leads to drugs (not for recreation), and chasing easy money (crime).

Possibly true, but not all children raised “without any constructive nurturing or foreseeable financial/happiness reward” turn into criminals.

MeneerCronje @ 3:25
Thank you, my point precisely. I believe that many criminals are mentally and physically addicted to the adrenaline rush that occurs when they take a risk and commit a crime. In that respect they’re no different to parachutists and others involved in high risk sports.
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July 20, 2009 5:30pm
joeAverage

Mr Farrar not wishing to pee on your posts , with cc ,obama, 20% etc etc , but our country has become so feral and discustting that the shitheads that the (STILL WORKING) workers support in their state houses ,you know (the maori/islander ) THE bro,are so fucken wasted that they are pimping their damn benifits ie THEIR CHILDREN, dicusting fuckersFUCK do maori or islanders let men wank against their kids or let them fondle them YES THEY DO as well as distroying the supplied home AND fuck under johnboy key we have to respect this crap and respect the tossers as first nation (YER RIGHT) IM white and hate what NZ is turning into ,Watch the news tonight, another fucken discrase
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July 20, 2009 5:36pm
NOt1tocommentoften

Sure if Joe – you know what you should do mate – leave. I don’t consider that it would be much of a loss to be honest.
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July 20, 2009 5:47pm
Banana Llama

Space elevators are probably the way it is going to head in the near future, if you are interested in the concept you can have a look at the wiki link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator

Kind of silly to worry about finite resources when we live in an infinite universe.
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July 20, 2009 5:47pm
Hurf Durf

Jackoff’s probably proud of the “independent” (see: pro-Chinese) foreign policy too.
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July 20, 2009 6:02pm
Andrew W

“near future” is a bit optimistic Banana, to build it we’d need to put tens of thousands of tons at geosynchronous orbit.
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July 20, 2009 6:38pm
joeAverage

God i luv the free import of anything into godsown ,LAU a PURE fruit drink from Amenia dosnt contain ANY fruit juice , infact the powers in charage of us HAVE KNOW IDEA WHATS IN IT ENJOY FOLKS seen on tv1 tonight
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July 20, 2009 6:40pm
Redbaiter

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July 20, 2009 6:45pm
joeAverage

notone to communicate whatever you think 5.47pm i wish the tossers ruining our country would go back to the nindiscript islands they came from i loved my country once befor tagging child abuse raping bolloned out but fuck im white bright and NOT IMPORTANT, white is not right now,
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July 20, 2009 6:46pm
Viking2

National Gives Terrorists A Win
In the most blindingly naive and media foolish act for many a decade, our earnest Minister of Agriculture has handed a media win to the industro-terrorists. The ones who broke into a ‘well managed and properly run piggery’ in the wee small hours, goaded shocked animals to scream and squeal and then filmed the result for a false and misleading televised propaganda hit piece on the pig industry.

“However a Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry investigator found animal welfare laws were not broken at the well managed piggery.”

Bad enough it was, that these criminals were not prosecuted but now our idiot Agriculture Minister is calling on the industry to give in to the terrorists demands.

More at http://www.nominister.blogspot.com/
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July 20, 2009 8:26pm
starboard

eh joe average…you got a bad case of ‘ f i t h ‘ disease…
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July 20, 2009 8:39pm
Redbaiter

“our earnest Minister of Agriculture has handed a media win to the industro-terrorists.”

He had to after being weak and stupid enough to ask for an enquiry in the first place. Carter should have been drummed out of the party years ago and gone and signed up with Labour. IMHO, useless as tits on a bull.
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July 20, 2009 9:55pm
philu

just keep torturing those animals..eh red..?

..and anyone who thinks differently..

..is an ‘industro-terrorist’..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz
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July 20, 2009 10:23pm

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