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July 18, 2009 8:13am by David Farrar

General Debate 18 July 2009

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big bruv

reid

“Apart from the fact phil chooses a lifestyle some disapprove of, what’s he done wrong here?”

Surely you are taking the piss?

If you and your left wing mates think that what Phool is doing is OK then how about you pay extra tax to pay for his lifestyle while those of us who think he is nothing but a parasite pay nothing.
Are you also saying that you approve of his lifestyle?, do you really think that other hard working Kiwi’s should have work 5-6 days a weeks so that drug fucked wreck can sit on his lazy arse all day doing nothing?

“There are far more useless cases out there who do the same bludging routine and we don’t get all upset about them. Gang members on the dole, for example”

How is Phool any different from a gang member?, both are parasites, both are a drain on public funds and both terrorise innocent members of our community to obtain what they want, Phool is every bit as bad as a gang member, indeed there is an argument to say he is doing far more damage, the example he is setting for his kids is shocking, he is raising another generation of bludgers who think that other people owe them a living.
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July 18, 2009 5:12pm
philu

really bruv..attacking my offspring..eh..?

that’s a bit tacky..

even for the likes of you..

..isn’t it..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 18, 2009 5:21pm
reid

If you and your left wing mates…

I don’t have any left wing mates, bb.

Are you also saying that you approve of his lifestyle?

No, I thought my use of the word “bludger” was a clue there. But the reason I don’t approve is because he’s a capable guy able to earn lots more than he gets on whichever benefit he’s on. So the reason I don’t approve is more because I see it as a waste, rather than I resent paying for him, since as I said, I also pay for other wankers who I don’t approve of.

How is Phool any different from a gang member?

As far as I know, he’s not a violent wanker, notwithstanding his conviction, which I understand was many years ago. People do change, and phil is evidence of that fact.

the example he is setting for his kids is shocking, he is raising another generation of bludgers who think that other people owe them a living

How do you know what attitudes his son has, unless you know him personally. Do you?
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July 18, 2009 5:27pm
philu

you can sorta imagine the likes of bruv/starboard/tinman…clenching and unclenching their fists in impotent anger/frustration..teeth grinding..

..and having to regularly wipe the foam-flecked spittle from their monitors/keyboards..

..eh..?

they are very scary/angry worlds they inhabit..

..they really need to learn how to ‘chill’..

..eh..?

(maybe they should skin-up..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 18, 2009 5:30pm
starboard

As far as I know, he’s not a violent wanker, notwithstanding his conviction, which I understand was many years ago. People do change, and phil is evidence of that fact.

..told ya !!! Fuckin apologist for scumbags !! Whores was an armed drugged up robber !! People change pffft…leopards etc…
whore is evidence of the fact??? Do you know him ??
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July 18, 2009 5:36pm
big bruv

Phool

“really bruv..attacking my offspring..eh..?…that’s a bit tacky..”

I did pause for a moment before I posted my comments, however I reckon that you attack the offspirng of every single hard working Kiwi with your lazy, bludging lifestyle, because of scum like you there are hard working men who cannot provide things for their kids, because of scum like you there are kids who have to go without because YOU choose to be a lazy fuck.

My comments stand Phool, I pray that your kids turn out differently however I suspect that with a junkie and a bludger for a parent they will end up being just like you.
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July 18, 2009 5:37pm
big bruv

reid

Do I know Phool?…you must be joking, If I did I would spend a large part of my day pestering the local WINZ office about him and the way he is ripping off the system.

I would NEVER have anything to do with low life like him.
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July 18, 2009 5:40pm
reid

..told ya !!! Fuckin apologist for scumbags !! Whores was an armed drugged up robber !!

Yeh, I know. I also understand (correct me if I’m wrong), no-one was hurt as-in, assaulted or wounded, and it was a long time ago.

What would you do, starboard. Endless condemnation without forgiveness is not a good path. Immediate forgiveness without holding to account is not a good path.

Where are you on that spectrum?

P.S. No, I don’t know him, but I have been reading his comments since he started and his attitude has been consistent all that time. Admittedly he might be completely different from my impression if I did know him, but you get a vague sense over time, about what sort of person he is.
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July 18, 2009 5:43pm
Viking2

Justice Ministry chief executive Belinda Clark: $470,000 to $480,000.

This from a news item today. Lota hooch for the job in an organization that is a failure. But then no doubt its another of Clarks Quality womens Brigade.
A pox on women Chiefs. The just are hopeless.

By way of comparison:
* Peter Hughes, chief executive of the Social Development Ministry, the biggest government department: salary package of $530,000 to $539,000.

* Stephen McKernan, chief executive of the Health Ministry: $500,000 to $510,000.

* Justice Ministry chief executive Belinda Clark: $470,000 to $480,000.

* Prime Minister John Key: $393,000, plus allowances and superannuation.

So for running a failing organization she earns 80000 more than Keys.
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July 18, 2009 5:43pm
Chuck Bird

In the article by Colin James with link below James contends that, “National brokered the awkward compromise as an article of politics to avoid losing women’s votes.”

Roughly 80% of the public want the law changed. The may be more men than women but certainly well over 50% of woman want a law change.

I suppose maybe more woman that men may vote on this issue but I cannot see National gaining votes by supporting this unpopular law. I suspect the Nats have done some backroom deal with the Watermelons.

Does anyone have a view on National’s real motive for supporting this anti-parental authority law?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/opinion/2588580/The-economics-of-whacking-kids

The economics of whacking kids
By COLIN JAMES – The Dominion Post
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July 18, 2009 5:46pm
Andrew W

“Does anyone have a view on National’s real motive for supporting this anti-parent authority law?”
Key’s blue on the outside but red inside?
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July 18, 2009 5:52pm
Banana Llama

Probably currying political favour Chuck, MMP means the tail wags the dog more often than not.
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July 18, 2009 6:00pm
big bruv

Chuck is right, Neville Key is so fucking determined to be a three or four term PM that he will do a deal with the devil just to stay in power.

The man is a bloody disgrace, he has sold out all those people he conned into voting for him, many thought they were going to get tax cuts, many thought they were going to see a change in the anti smacking law, many thought they were going to see National get tough on dole and DPB bludgers, and many thought we were going to see a referendum on MMP.

While Neville Key has not yet backed down on the MMP referendum I can assure that he will, either that or the bastard will word the question in such a way that he achieves the outcome he wants, Key has done a deal with the communist Green party over MMP and the anti smacking bill, the sooner we get rid of him the better.
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July 18, 2009 6:04pm
Rex Widerstrom

Viking2 notes:

Justice Ministry chief executive Belinda Clark: $470,000 to $480,000.

So for running a failing organization she earns 80000 more than Keys.

Yep, and it’s her and her minions – not the Chief Justice, as some were trying to make out the other day – who’s responsible for the endless delays and snafus in trying to obtain justice in this country. And it is the MoJ who oppose any change to any aspect of the current system. Yet the obvious fact that it isn’t working is the one thing on which we all seem agreed, regardless of our respective views on sentencing etc.

Must be nice to be in the public service, taking home nearly $10,000 every week and entirely insulated from the fallout from your incompetence. Just ask Barry Matthews.
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July 18, 2009 6:12pm
philu

is key as ‘bad’ as me..?..bruv..?

..does the macro..or the micro..

..insense you more..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 18, 2009 6:15pm
Andrew W

After 2 and a half years battling the lethargy and incompetence of the family court I could easily start sounding like D4J. We finally (over two fn years after filing!) got the hearing at the end of march, nearly 4 months later and the judge still hasn’t made a decision, in the meantime I travel over a thousand km each week driving the kids to and from school. why the f would a straightforward decision take 4 months to make? What judge would put up with a jury (a committee!) taking 4 month? Could the quality of the decision possibly be improving after such a time? Does the judge still remember what we look like? Does the judge still have any recollections of the proceedings at that hearing considering all the other cases she’s seen in the interim?

End of gripe.
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July 18, 2009 6:31pm
Redbaiter

“Indeed philu, it is not my usual style but it is early in the day here in SG and I am in the mood to stir.”

Gosh. Seeking the allegiance of one of the the most odious and cowardly Kiwiblog posters of all time. How the mighty can fall.

Now back to my point, that those who whine about the lack of democracy in Singapore completely overlook the real perversion of the voting system that exists in NZ as a result of the left’s abuse of the welfare system.

From Muriel Newman’s stats- (somewhat dated now but still relevant enough for the point)

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There are 870,000 adult New Zealanders who predominantly rely on the state for their benefits and pensions. Every 100 full-time workers support 56 full-time beneficiaries or pensioners. And if dependent children are included, there are over one million New Zealanders whose prime income comes from the state.

Labour takes $15 billion in PAYE tax from working New Zealanders, roughly the same as it spends on all benefits and pensions: $10,000 a year from every full time worker. Of this, $7.5 billion (seventeen percent of annual spending) goes on benefits to working age New Zealanders. Over 6,100 persons on the dole have been on a benefit for more than ten years.

Labours 1999 pledge was no rise in income tax for 95% of taxpayers. But today, 18% of all taxpayers who work fulltime are paying Labours hiked 39 cent tax rate. Thats 270,000 people.

There are now 78,000 adults supported by the invalids benefit a rise from 62,000 when Labour was elected. Thats an increase of 26% in just over three years. So far, total DPB numbers have remained static under Labour at around 108,000. But the number of woman on the DPB not naming the father has risen rapidly to 17,200. These 17,200 beneficiaries support 32,600 children up from 24,000 children when Labour was elected. Of these 32,600 children, 17,242 or 53% are of Maori ethnicity, and 8,369, or 25%, are of European ethnicity.

In 1981, 13% of all dependant children were part of one- parent families. In 2001 – just twenty years later 27% of all dependant children (around 250,000) are in single parent families.

Over 1,204 sole parents currently on the DPB have been on a benefit for more than 20 years.

Under Labours new Primary Health Organisation (PHO) Strategy, GPs on average receive 20% more funding for enrolling Maori and Pacific Island patients than others. A PHO which enrols a European female superannuitant will receive $19. A PHO which enrols a Maori or Pacific Island female superannuitant will receive $60.

There are 2.5 million eligible voters, including 1.55 million full time workers. Only 2.1 million bother to vote.

Labour has clinically and cynically focused its spending on the following groups: the 200,000 voters who are students; the 850,000 voters who are on benefits and super; and the 450,000 Maori and Pacific Island voters. Looking after these groups is the core of Labours re-election strategy.

This strategy is clever, not only because dominating these groups can assure election, but also because they are all growing as a percentage of the total vote. Full time workers are the losers under Labours political strategy. They are being overtaxed to the tune of $4 billion this year to help fund Labour’s re-election strategy.
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July 18, 2009 7:31pm
Rachael Rich

Rex brings up a good point about the differences in sentencing and punishment.

Like most goverment departments, it all boils down to the beureaucrat that you get to deal with at the time. Depending on the way the wind is blowing, you will get different treatment according to each persons interpretation of the policies (or law) of that department or their mood on the day.

The Investigator on TV1 the other night had a story about Emely Jessop. See the details here: http://tvnz.co.nz/the-investigator/emely-2842663

One part that really struck me was a prison guard handcuffed her to a bed while she was giving birth because it was policy. At the change of shift, the next guard released the cuffs.

Obviously 2 interpretations of policy going on there!
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July 18, 2009 9:01pm
joeAverage

We won the rugby game WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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July 18, 2009 9:16pm
Hurf Durf

Phool used to be (and probably still is) a smackhead, so it’s obvious that his sympathies lie with his fellow junkies. It would be a lot cheaper and easier (and less painful for us) if he was just shot through the head and his corpse dumped in the Tasman.
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July 18, 2009 10:34pm
philu

ah..!..hurf..!

..the voice of the reasoned right..

..you do your cause no end of..um..!..

..eh..?

..what must the casual reader here think of you..and your politics..?..eh..?

..(does your mum know you write stuff like this..?..wouldn’t she box your ears..?

..and send you to your room..?)

..(btw..as does redbaiter..as just one other example..you particularly toxic versions of your ilk..

….spill/splash/stain over all the other righties..eh..?

..and just show them/you all in your true light..

..and render any ‘ideas’ you might put forward..as laughable/beneath contempt..

..so thank you for performing that (illuminating) service for the rest of us..

..eh..?

..(and um..!..been watching a bit too much ‘underbelly’..have you..?..heh..!..)

..mind you..gangsterism is the ultimate rightwing fascist solution/rightwing thought in its’ purest form…eh..?

act on 1%

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 18, 2009 10:58pm
philu

and i see from your other comments..

..that you are a snotty-nosed ninteen year old student..

silly boy..!

or..seeing as you are an underbelly fan..

..would ‘punk’ be more appropriate..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 18, 2009 11:05pm
lilman

Bloody disgrace, pissant drug dealers and scumbag little gangster sholding a society to randsom.

If ever there was a time to shove the crap back up the state titfeed criminals this is it.

I have told all my children this,if they get involved with shit,then in my eyes thats what they will become.
But they also know the world of complete hell which will be visited on them pales into the minor leagues compared to what I shall rein down unpon them and their so called new friends.

They know what will happen ,but more importantly they know I MEAN IT.
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July 18, 2009 11:09pm
reid

Gee RB, re: your 7:31, I was expecting a comparison. After all, you said you would:

“prove to you that in actuality, NZ with its soft totalitarian socialist tyranny, and the influence of huge numbers of welfare recipients on each election, is far less democratic than Singapore.”

It wasn’t quite the killer hit you made it out to be. Quite flaccid, really.

Never mind. Better luck next time.
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July 18, 2009 11:19pm
sallydeb

I was surprised to learn today that there are 400,000 registered gun owners in NZ. What a great deterrent to crime if criminals were more worried that many of us can and will defend ourselves and our property. I’m guessing these gun owners are mainly rural folk. Perhaps we need more private gun owners in the cities.
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July 18, 2009 11:33pm
kaya

Dribble. Just watching “In the Shadow of the “Moon” about the astronauts who went to the moon, excellent programme. Almost makes me want to stop drinking beer and save the world or something.
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July 18, 2009 11:49pm
kaya

These fuckers went to the moon in a baked bean can with bits attached to it, outstanding!
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July 18, 2009 11:53pm
Redbaiter

“Quite flaccid, really.”

Like your dick is permanently?

The point you fuckwit is that there are comparatively few welfare recipients in Singapore, sitting around on the dole doing fuck all except receiving government handouts, and therefore their elections escape the pervasive evil of hundreds of thousands of welfare bludgers (like the yellow scum who write here that you are so friendly with), who will never vote for any government that might take their welfare cheque away.

Hence our accelerating descent into amorality violence, crime and social decay, and given the numbers of beneficiaries that now exist, and are fully dependent on handouts, there’s not a damn thing that can be done about it by means of the democratic process.

Seeing you needed that explained to you, I’d guess your brain is in an even more state of permanent flaccidity than your dick.
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July 18, 2009 11:59pm
Hurf Durf

Who said I was reasoned, phool?

“gangsterism is…rightwing thought in its’ purest form”

I’m sorry? Which ideology feels free to steal wealth from the middle and upper classes and gives to the working class to keep them in a prison of bondage and cycle of poverty, and enrich themselves and appease their own guilt?
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July 19, 2009 12:13am
Hurf Durf

And I may be snotty-nosed and a student, but I’ll more coherent that you’ll ever be! ;D
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July 19, 2009 12:16am
Hurf Durf

Hmm, shot myself in the foot with that last comment there.
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July 19, 2009 12:31am
Manolo

Dear Pablo,

It’s a sad day when the most despised character in this blog, the parasitic Whoar, agrees with and supports your stance.

It seems you haven’t learnt your lesson, have you? Be careful with what you put in e-mails. It could come back to haunt you.
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July 19, 2009 7:39am
expat

both of you, naughty corner.

1 minute for each year of your age.

come out when you can say sorry.
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July 19, 2009 7:52am
expat

😉
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July 19, 2009 7:53am
Andrew W

Yay, a comprehensive ruling, and in our favour, a very arduous experience though.
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July 21, 2009 3:18pm
Andrew W

Bloody hell, the ruling’s dated 22 May 2009! So it looks like it’s taken 2 months for the decision to get from the judge, through the court system to the lawyers.
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July 21, 2009 3:28pm

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