General Debate 15 July 2009

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RKBee

Great General Debate..

Where (DPF) gives me a chance to down National MPs I don’t like. Thats easy I only like two John Key and Steven Joyce.
Labour theres no choice I don’t like any… or any of the other parties MPs… Now that said.. lets debate the 21 hui and the choice of 4 flags for Maori to choose from.

Those at the hui are to be asked which of the following flags they would like to see flown:
-Flag of the United – later independent – tribes of NZ;
-The New Zealand flag;
-The New Zealand red ensign; or
-The Maori flag – sometimes called the tino rangatiratanga flag.
Lets see a flag to represent all maori…gee thats a hard one… so why are they having 21 hui to decide what we already know will be the tino rangatiratanga maori flag… the only one that really separates maori from pakeha… and at the tax payers expense.. It could lead to a good excuse for Steven Joyce to get founding for another bridge crossing and extra roads for Auckland. Maori one’s and pakeha one’s. The Maori one’s are the one’s you have to pay for to build then pay for to cross.
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July 15, 2009 7:52am
Dave Mann

Maori meet to decide on national flag.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2593897/Maori-meet-to-decide-on-national-flag/

If you haven’t accepted that we are an apartheid society yet, then now would be a good time to open your eyes. Now the Maoris are viewed as a ‘nation’, according to Fairfax Media, the operators of Stuff.

I have commented before on media reports and discussions comparing ‘Maoris’ to ‘New Zealanders’ and it is getting worse.
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July 15, 2009 8:26am
starboard

..I normally go into bat for JK and the Nats but I dont like the way he/they are sucking up to the divisive moldy…one country/ one people equal rights for all I say and NOTHING EXTRA based on skin colour…carry on at your peril JK/Nats…
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July 15, 2009 9:09am
David Farrar

I say your points will be more respected if you do not use the term “moldy”
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July 15, 2009 9:59am
MyNameIsJack

got sumthing agenst fonetic spelling meester farrer?
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July 15, 2009 10:01am
MyNameIsJack

Anti smacking law has civilising influence on civilising maori a PI parents.

“I work with high Maori and Pacific populations in decile 1 [the poorest] communities,” she said.

“The majority are incredibly good people. They love their kids dearly. Surprisingly, they are the ones who have taken this anti-smacking law to heart. They all say to me, ‘Before I could have hit my kid, now I don’t know how to teach them any more.”‘

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10584541

removing violent parenting from maori and PI culture is a grand step along the road to civilisation for these parents.
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July 15, 2009 10:10am
philu

call a spade a spade..dpf..

..he is a racist prick..

..(end of story)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

(that is not an ad hominem..that is a fact..)
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July 15, 2009 10:30am
starboard

I say your points will be more respected if you do not use the term “moldy”

…hmm… no respect was shown to me or the NZ flag when the great tattoed pigmy ( forget his name ) took to it with a shotgun many years ago up north…why should I bend over…

[DPF: Because he is a loser and you are better than that. Why insult an entire race over the antics of one person?]
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July 15, 2009 10:30am
starboard

..take ya tweezers , ya sock , ya rubber glove whore and go back to bed…
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July 15, 2009 10:32am
philu

and maybe you should just go back to sth africa..?..or is it christchurch..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 15, 2009 10:35am
Linda Reid

Did Susan Couch ever benefit from Winston’s trust?
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July 15, 2009 11:10am
big bruv

Need I ask who is paying for these 21 meetings (hui) ?
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July 15, 2009 11:20am
Offshore_Kiwi

Sorry to bring up yesterday’s fights again today, but (as usual) Dilbert has hit the nail on the head this morning:

http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-07-14/
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July 15, 2009 11:27am
MyNameIsJack

Linda Reid (164) Vote: 0 1 Says:

July 15th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Did Susan Couch ever benefit from Winston’s trust?

Who knows? Who cares?
big bruv (4006) Vote: 1 0 Says:

July 15th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Need I ask who is paying for these 21 meetings (hui) ?

Who knows? Who cares?
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July 15, 2009 11:32am
toad

Stalker radars being removed from Police cars? Over 300 fewer vehicles in the Police fleet? So much for the NACT government’s pre-election support for better resourcing the Police. And why won’t anyone give us any answers?
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July 15, 2009 11:37am
Rachael Rich

Toad, I thought you greenies would be applauding 300 less evil motor vehicles polluting the environment? The cops can now walk the streets and beat the obesity epidemic. Killing 2 greenie birds with one stone there!

And, the Police are now better resourced – they have TASERS!
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July 15, 2009 11:45am
Sam Buchanan

The ‘tino rangatiratanga’ flag started out as a Maori flag, and only later got dubbed the tino rangatiratanga one. I reckon it’s a winner, for sheer aesthetic appeal.

Hey when did the Confederation of United Tribes start getting called the ‘independent tribes’?
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July 15, 2009 12:08pm
adc

hey

who knows anything about the Department of Internal Affair’s plans to filter our web traffic?

http://thomasbeagle.net/

This is like the Australian system, with all its faults.
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July 15, 2009 12:38pm
Kris K

The following article by Melanie Phillips is quite insightful: “A British military expert tells truth to prejudice”.
Link: http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3752671/a-british-military-expert-tells-truth-to-prejudice.thtml

It raises the issue regarding Operation Cast Lead in Gaza at the turn of the year, when it was being demonised daily for its ‘disproportionate’ response to Gaza’s rocket attacks.

The article links to a speach by Colonel Richard Kemp, formerly both commander of British forces in Afghanistan and the intelligence co-ordinator for the British government.
Link: http://www.mesi.org.uk/ViewBlog.aspx?ArticleId=65

“It is worth watching or reading this remarkable speech in full — because he says things that are as well-informed, obvious and decent as they are rare and poorly understood in the society that he has spent his life defending. He points out, for example, that Britain, America and Israel are up against the same type of enemy which operates under a new and very different set of rules.”
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July 15, 2009 2:02pm
starboard

[DPF: Because he is a loser and you are better than that. Why insult an entire race over the antics of one person?]

…there was much silence from “maori” when he did it…I didnt hear any ” maori ” stand up and say ” thats a bit off ”
..in fact the silence was great…so they must off agreed with his actions ?….
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July 15, 2009 2:05pm
joeAverage

god you have to love the maori and the flag, a good flag for the maori would show crime in one corner, the prison service in another corner50% of the prision populaton,15% of the general population, TAGGING and hoddies in another cornerARSEHOLES tired of repainting and a BABY BEEN BASHED COOKED SPIN DRIED TOACH KICKED in the other corner HELL MAORI LUV KIDS (yer right)hell mr farrar you should provide a white wall so the maori can learn english with a spray can, right bro or that old maori saying (BOSS) sorry david when you have been spat on by druggie scum the race fits the crime,rubbishTOSSERS
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July 15, 2009 3:00pm
Kris K

starboard 2:05 pm,
[DPF: Because he is a loser and you are better than that. Why insult an entire race over the antics of one person?]
“…there was much silence from “maori” when he did it…I didnt hear any ” maori ” stand up and say ” thats a bit off ”
..in fact the silence was great…so they must off agreed with his actions ?….”

In much the same way as there is little public decrying from Muslim nations following terrorist attacks on the west.
Heck, they were dancing in the streets following 911.
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July 15, 2009 3:10pm
thedavincimode

… tweezers starboard??

please explain
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July 15, 2009 4:13pm
starboard

… tweezers starboard??

please explain ”

…small penis….
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July 15, 2009 4:44pm
Inventory2

Good Lord – Winston Peters says “Sorry”!!

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/07/hell-freezes-over_15.html
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July 15, 2009 4:45pm
terry

WASTEOIL HANDS OUT BAN AS ACT DROPS IN POLLS

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/content/why-cant-he-say-sorry-nz?dsq=12677039#comment-12677039

ADVICE : TAKE YOUR PILLS WITH FULL GLASS OF WATER
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July 15, 2009 5:44pm
Hurf Durf

“WASTEOIL”

Ah, socialist wit.
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July 15, 2009 5:52pm
terry

hurf durf

…..dont you dear call wasteoil a socalist….it will put his recovery back another bottle of pills….
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July 15, 2009 5:54pm
Hurf Durf

I was referring to your pun, you lunatic.
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July 15, 2009 5:57pm
terry

hurf durf

do you know wasteoil….?

wasteoil is the lunatic….hes taking pills for it…..

did you take your pills tonight with a full glass of water….?
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July 15, 2009 6:05pm
Hurf Durf

At least Cameron starts his sentences with capital letters and doesn’t end his sentences with needless ellipses.

Labour chugging along at 31%. Now, kindly do as them and go away.
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July 15, 2009 6:09pm
terry

WASTEOIL commented

He can start his own blog, and have his freedom of speech over there.

I will not tolerate personal insults or falshoods about my life thatnk you
very much. If he had said what he said in person I would have flattened him.

Watch it or you’ll be next.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/content/why-cant-he-say-sorry-nz?dsq=12677039#comment-12677039

im keen to meet up with you wasteoil…im very keen to say my comments in person.

..if you can flatten me ill give five hundred dollars to some kind of depression charity…..

i dont go to the gym…dont take supplements…..dont do any training….

oh my name aint pearl going either…

personal insults aye….can give them but cant take them….aye stranded wasteoil….

shouldnt greenpeace be helping you…?
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July 15, 2009 6:13pm
Rex Widerstrom

MyNameIsJack suggests:

Did Susan Couch ever benefit from Winston’s trust?

Who knows? Who cares?

Alas this isn’t “Men in Black”, MNIJ. You don’t have a device which can blind the rest of us to the past and erase all memory of NZF’s dishonesty. But as it seems to have worked on you:

1. Susan Couch, whose tragedy was cynically seized upon by Winston Peters, Brian Henry, Ron Mark and the rest of that integrity-free bunch; who was forced to relive the whole event when the media spotlight was turned upon her; who was exploited as a shield for their immoral and questionably illegal acts; and who is now, I’m willing to bet, not one cent better off.

2. Everyone else, who were robbed of the money in question.

HTH
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July 15, 2009 6:14pm
Hurf Durf

Hey Tel, are you Pete Hodgson? Because your cameo in that Young Liarbores vid was atrocious.
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July 15, 2009 6:15pm
terry

hurf durf

if you want me to disappear…you should say

“be like act (RODNEY HIDE) and be gone burger”

check their latest poll results .. dead heat with nzf at 1%…..enjoyed telling that old act newman lady the same thing….
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July 15, 2009 6:19pm
terry

hurf durf

I aint pete but he did live next door when we were younger….? but my cousin was a long term national mp….?

he was still allowed to family gatherings…we were good like that…
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July 15, 2009 6:25pm
Hurf Durf

Act’s vote’s gone down because National is back in power and is so far doing (relatively) well in terms of economic management. It’ll bounce back, unlike NZFs. They aren’t going to bail you out again.
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July 15, 2009 6:33pm
terry

ACT IS GONE BURGER

hide and act may replace jims party and dunnes party…wow act a one man party….
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July 15, 2009 6:38pm
terry

sorry wasteoil

my mum said im not allowed to play with you anymore…..however i told her there was no way i would ever hit someone like yourself (cause thats against the law)…that clearly needs medical help…(pop another pill)…

i just dont like bullies….

if it makes you feel like a man….im in auckland next tuesday….but again mum said be christian, and give and take…

so i will give you a few comments….and i will take whatever you can throw at me….
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July 15, 2009 8:08pm
thedavincimode

ouch

no wonder he can’t go to work.
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July 15, 2009 8:35pm
terry

Inventory 2

Onya Cam – he’s been slandering you all over the blogs – stupid dork can’t even spell 😉

wow…wee…

inventory 2 do you know the meaning of slander…..dats the spoken word……fool..

..i feel my comments may be in the public good, are are true according to the material published in the papers on sunday.
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July 15, 2009 8:38pm
reid

MyNameIsJack at 10:10 am

Anti smacking law has civilising influence on civilising maori a PI parents.

“The majority are incredibly good people. They love their kids dearly. Surprisingly, they are the ones who have taken this anti-smacking law to heart. They all say to me, ‘Before I could have hit my kid, now I don’t know how to teach them any more.”‘

Removing violent parenting from maori and PI culture is a grand step along the road to civilisation for these parents.

Quite agree, MNIJ.

But why did lefties think it was necessary that in order to achieve that, they needed to penalise EVERYONE else who actually (duh), already understands that rather elementary, simple and basic parental message?

The fact lefties can’t seem to answer that basic question or even recognise its validity on this and quite a few other issues, is the major reason you lost power. You got booted out, because of “nanny state.” And some of you apparently, still haven’t even learned what that means.
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July 15, 2009 10:19pm
reid

Interesting how the lefties above have engaged in the very bullying behaviour they claim to disparage.

What are’ya?

Don’t bother answering. We already know.
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July 15, 2009 11:20pm

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