General Debate 14 July 2009

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terry

A number of Whangarei ratepayers know the difficultly of making information requests to their local authority. The Whangarei District Council was named in a report as failing to comply with the law.

The report released by Council Watch highlights a lack of knowledge of the law amongst a considerable number of local body Chief Executive Officers in New Zealand.

Their research turned up serious issues in the way Councils deal with official information requests.

Mr Candiliotis, the group’s Local Democracy Advisor said “Councils around the country seem to be struggling to engage with their constituents,” and “Communities are seen as an unpleasant by-product of being in power by some Councils.”

Council Watch has been in touch with the Office of the Ombudsmen about some of the obstructive behaviour and will be writing to the Auditor General and Minister of Local Government.

The research shows a need for Councils to train their staff better in dealing with information requests and in the understanding of the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act 1987.
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July 14, 2009 7:42am
mickysavage

Four questions:

1. Was Worth really sacked for committing adultery and how many more ministers are in peril of the same fate?
2. What happened to the cycleway?
3. What happened to all the jobs?
4. Where is that tax cut Mr Key personally promised me?

[DPF: No, funding has been approved, the recession, and you got it in April]
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July 14, 2009 8:02am
Bok

Four answers:
1) Who cares about your questions?
2) Do you even know what a question is?
3) Why did Helen and MC destroy all the jobs?
4) Just how stupid can lefty trolls be?
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July 14, 2009 8:07am
expat

Dear Mickey,

Seen the domestic recession coming? That one where the taxpayers aren’t paying as much tax to support the government department budgets and social welfare purse. Yeah, thought not.

Hope this helps you understand that the country is now not able to just raise taxes to pay for whims such as Te Papa.

HTH’s
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July 14, 2009 8:10am
terry

Four questions:

1. Was Worth really sacked for committing adultery and how many more ministers are in peril of the same fate?
2. What happened to the cycleway?
3. What happened to all the jobs?
4. Where is that tax cut Mr Key personally promised me?

Answer

1. quite a few.
2. stuff all…bill not keen
3. stuck trying to find the start of the cycleway
4. worth took them when he left
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July 14, 2009 8:21am
mattyroo

I’ve got a sloution for these two:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10584231

Double bunking…. Put the pair of cunts in a cell together.
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July 14, 2009 8:28am
Grant Michael McKenna

Four answers:

1. No; second part falls away.
2. Planned for completion over time.
3. Excessive spending by Labour Government forced up cost of borrowing, making businesses excessively vulnerable to recession.
4. Postponed until substantial progress has been made in paying off Labour’s debt.
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July 14, 2009 8:29am
Bok

Terry and Mickey…… 😉
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July 14, 2009 8:33am
terry

G..ant

didnt you fell ass make a song and dance about cullen running surplus in budgets…. screaming for tax cuts…!!! we would have been better off without the tax cuts (labours and nationals)
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July 14, 2009 8:39am
thedavincimode

… or tie them up in a duvet and toss them into the Waikato river Mr Roo
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July 14, 2009 8:40am
wreck1080

Why does the hypocritical NZ government finally just admit education is not free in this country?

There is a public school in the Wairarapa who even charges interest penalties on ‘donations’. Some have hired debt collectors to collect ‘donations’.

Either make fees compulsory , or ban them. Come on, all this double speak on fees is bullshit.
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July 14, 2009 8:43am
expat

Which public school in the Wairarapa charges interest penalties on ‘donations’.

I’m sure the Dom Post would be interested.
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July 14, 2009 8:51am
cha

Because I’ve nothing better to do, Rathkeale and St Matthew’s were formerly private schools which were integrated into the New Zealand state system in 1992.
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July 14, 2009 9:06am
philu

this is a (non-ideological) ‘good read’..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/tales-of-an-accidental-grease-monkey/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 14, 2009 9:31am
jcuknz

“Boiling the frog” This makes a lot of sense though rather depressing …..
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/13/opinion/13krugman.html?th&emc=th
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July 14, 2009 9:32am
philu

so is this..

“..“..What a long, strange trip it’s been: a drug war timeline.

1619 Jamestown farmers ordered to grow hemp. Three colonies later allow subjects to pay taxes with the plant.

1776 Declaration of Independence drafted on hemp paper.

1869 Prohibition Party founded. Central goals include women’s suffrage and freeing the working class from the evils of drink.

1874 WCTU (Woman’s Christian Temperance Union) founded.

1875 San Francisco bans opium dens.

1886 Coca-Cola created by Atlanta druggist and ex-Confederate officer. Contains cocaine.

Southerners call it “a shot in the arm” .. and trucks selling Coke “dope wagons.”

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/the-altered-states-of-america/

(2009..nz government continues prohibition on medical marijuana..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 14, 2009 9:39am
wreck1080

woops, it is a private. Similar issue though, it is a donation that she is not paying.

And, same applies for public schools who demand school fees be paid.
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July 14, 2009 9:39am
Glutaemus Maximus

Four questions:

1. Was Worth really sacked for committing adultery and how many more ministers are in peril of the same fate?
2. What happened to the cycleway?
3. What happened to all the jobs?
4. Where is that tax cut Mr Key personally promised me?

Funny, but I must get Deja Vous a lot.

I reckon this is at least the 8th time that MS has asked the same inane questions, generally in the same thread.

Here are some questions for our Pinko mates. Especially MS

1. Is stealing crates of booze from a Party seen as acceptable in the Labour Party?
2. Does a Billion Dollars seem like a high price compared to real world valuations for a crappy train set?
2. Was Trevor Mallard right to jump a fellow MP from behind in the House?
4. Have you actually got a bike?
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July 14, 2009 9:55am
Gosman

Anybody wish to make a complaint to the Crown law office about Martin ‘Bomber’ Bradbury commenting on the Clayton Weatherston trial?

Mr Bradbury was very keen that someone in the blogosphere in NZ is made an example of so other Bloggers take more care in future.

I think he would make an excellent test case. What do others think?
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July 14, 2009 9:57am
MyNameIsJack

fantastic letter to the Archbish of Cant. re death by suicide.

Late in 2006, I read the speech that you made to the House of Lords regarding Lord Joffe’s assistance in dying bill. The moment I read it, what I had taken to be faith simply died away, and not a shadow of it remains; it is gone forever. Here are the words to which (among others) I took such grave exception: “All religious believers hold that there is no stage of human life, and no level of human experience, that is intrinsically incapable of being lived through in some kind of trust and hope.” With those words faith simply came to an end, with a suddenness and completeness that was quite astonishing, and with it the meaning and purpose of all the years I spent as a priest.

(…)

By your words and actions, and by the church’s words and actions, the god you believe in becomes even more cruel than it already apparently is because of all the indiscriminate, and quite unequal, suffering that exists. Instead of permitting relief for those who are dying in great pain and distress by the only means available, or acceptable, to the dying person – assistance in dying, where that option is the dying person’s reasoned choice – you increase unnecessary suffering by refusing, on unintelligible dogmatic grounds, to allow that assistance. Not content with that, you actively campaign, in the name of your beliefs, to see that that refusal is imposed by law upon those who do not share those beliefs with you. Your god, already cruel, is made more cruel by your dogmatism, and people are unjustly denied their choice to see their lives come to an end in a way that is not only consistent with their beliefs, though perhaps in conflict with yours, but, more importantly, without the pain and suffering they wish to avoid.

(…)

Forcing people to live in conditions that they do not choose is, effectively, to enslave them, to force them to live in conditions of life that they find intolerable. Every act then becomes coerced, and every breath a denial of freedom. Religion, in your hands, is still seeking to use its authority to control the lives of others, and such authority is as malignant in your hands as it was in the hands of some of your predecessors.

http://www.butterfliesandwheels.com/articleprint.php?num=410
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July 14, 2009 10:15am
Portia

Micky Savage, re your Q1. Was Worth really sacked for committing adultery and how many more ministers are in peril of the same fate?

I know you’re only trolling and not at all interested in any answers from this blogsite. But perhaps you’ll pay more attention to Tim Selwyn from Tumeke! ??

Forced Resignation is not Sacking
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July 14, 2009 10:15am
nickb

Micky,
You have to be employed to get a tax cut
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July 14, 2009 11:19am
Don the Kiwi

I’m quite disgusted at the appeal last night on Ch.1 TV asking why the government isn’t doing more to stop obesity.

SINCE WHEN WAS IT THE GOVT’S DUTY TO STOP OBESITY ??????

If the fat arses in our society stopped cramming so much food down their gullets and did a bit of exercise, there would be very little obesity.

Time for all in this country to take some personal responsibility – if the cap fits, wear it.

My sympathy, however, goes out to that very small percentage of people who have medical disorders – but in most cases, that is cureable.
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July 14, 2009 11:23am
Inventory2

Complete change of subject – here’s a rugby tribute to the French to mark Bastille Day

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/07/bastille-day.html
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July 14, 2009 11:28am
starboard

Time for all in this country to take some personal responsibility…..

..nah mate…we’ve had nine years of being dumbed down..nine years of being told to stop thinking…nine years of
we will look after you..we will think for you…we know better…nine years of trying to control the masses…this is why I despise the left and its followers so much…ask a fatty why they are so fat…” its not my fault..its someone elses “…self responsibility…ha !!!
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July 14, 2009 11:53am
backster

The last Government did something to reduce obesity. Parekura went on a diet as a role model to his people and MS Clark dictated what the kids could eat at school. The latest statistics illustrate their success.
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July 14, 2009 12:06pm
Cerium

Ask a rightie why they are still having a hissy fit and they’ll say “not my fault, it is all because of the last nine years, they made me, forced me to dumb down and deny all responsibility and now I’m too thick to reverse it”.
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July 14, 2009 12:06pm
Inventory2

backster – I remember Parekura’s diet – it lasted – what – three weeks?
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July 14, 2009 12:13pm
Gosman

I have got to laugh at Mr Bradbury’s furious denial of any wrong doing in relation to blogging about current cases before the courts.

http://tumeke.blogspot.com/
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July 14, 2009 12:34pm
starboard

Ask a rightie why they are still having a hissy fit

..please elaborate lefty jerk off…
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July 14, 2009 12:38pm
Cerium

Obesity is mostly about personal responsibility, but anyone who has tried to control their weight will know it can be bloody hard. Maybe those who cast the first stone are qualified to talk about it.

If you are young and skinny don’t be too smug. Look what can happen to sports people once they reduce activity eg Ian Smith, Michael Jones. I used to be able to eat til it came out my, well, you know, and my weight never changed. Then once I got to mid forties it changed, I eat less than half what I used to and still have to be continually careful. This was quite an eyeopener (and mouth closer) for me.
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July 14, 2009 12:38pm
Don the Kiwi

Well Cerium.

You had the balls and the self control to do it. Gudonya.

Why can’t the rest of society do the same thing?All it takes is self discipline – something else that’s sadly lacking in society today.
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July 14, 2009 12:51pm
backster

The Germans seem to have thought up a scheme which John KEY could well consider as being beneficial both to tackle the obesity problem and also to promote useage of the National Cycleway…This from Stuff today……..

A Berlin brothel has come up with a novel way to negate the impact of the global economic crisis and target a new group of customers at the same time – offering a discount to patrons who arrive on bicycles.

“The recession has hit our industry hard,” said Thomas Goetz, owner of the “Maison d’envie” brothel.

“Obviously we hope that the discount will attract more people,” he added. “It’s good for business, it’s good for the environment – and it’s good for the girls.”

Customers who arrive on bicycle or who can prove they took public transportation get a 5 euros ($NZ11.34) discount from the usual 70 euros fee for 45 minute sessions, Goetz said. He said the environmentally friendly offer was working.

Perhaps a brothel could be set up at each end of the track.
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July 14, 2009 1:10pm
thedavincimode

Delirium

Still confused by the distinction between cause and effect, explanations and excuses. Still fixated by the notion that any mention of the last nine years is tantamount to wailing, knashing of teeth and waving the white flag. Still the same sanctimonious claptrap. Still a silly fellow.
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July 14, 2009 1:38pm
thedavincimode

I2

I think you might be a little confused. That was a MEAL that lasted 3 weeks, not a diet.
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July 14, 2009 1:44pm
Thrash Cardiom

“A number of Whangarei ratepayers know the difficultly of making information requests to their local authority. The Whangarei District Council was named in a report as failing to comply with the law.”

At least one Council has replied to Council Watch pointing out that even though they responded to Council Watch’s requests twice, they are listed in the report as having not responded.
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July 14, 2009 1:46pm
MT_Tinman

# Cerium (183) Vote: Add rating2 Subtract rating 1 Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

Obesity is mostly about personal responsibility, but anyone who has tried to control their weight will know it can be bloody hard. Maybe those who cast the first stone are qualified to talk about it.

If you are young and skinny don’t be too smug. Look what can happen to sports people once they reduce activity eg Ian Smith, Michael Jones. I used to be able to eat til it came out my, well, you know, and my weight never changed. Then once I got to mid forties it changed, I eat less than half what I used to and still have to be continually careful. This was quite an eyeopener (and mouth closer) for me.

I’m a fat bastard. Caused by the top hole being larger than the one further south.

Have been for years, basically since I gave up active team sport when I was 40.

As I said I’m a fat bastard.

I don’t give a shit, why should anyone else?
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July 14, 2009 2:22pm
MyNameIsJack

GREAT NEWS, at last, from the UK.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/wear/8146460.stm
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July 14, 2009 2:31pm
Cerium

“I don’t give a shit”

Sounds like you must…..

MNIJ – leave the Dot Cottonites alone.
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July 14, 2009 2:41pm
starboard

…whos payin for the hui around the country re the flag bizzo ???
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July 14, 2009 2:55pm
Don the Kiwi

MNIJ

Don’t crow too soon.

The majority of UK will be quoting from the Koran in a few years…….

Then see how smug you can be…………arsehole!
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July 14, 2009 3:07pm
joeAverage

Im really bored with the continuing Millie Elder saga ( a rich Auckland bitch) , i see the old mans money has worked again and shes been remanded on bail again. I think they are waiting for every one to die who are involved and ALL the cases will be dropped PS the xtra photo wasnt very flattering, getting a bit plump in the face , its all those drugs she uses i suppose
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July 14, 2009 3:17pm
MyNameIsJack

Don, eventually the majority of musselmen will either have blown themselves up, or got an education. Either way, islam will soon be as relevant as astrology.
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July 14, 2009 3:18pm
toad

Now that pay equity is off the agenda, is it back to the future?
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July 14, 2009 3:18pm
wreck1080

Just checking out Vodafones nz roaming rates in aussie.

From what I can see, if you use 1gb will cost $30,000nzd. ($30/mb). I must be wrong!!!
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July 14, 2009 3:22pm
gd

The ACCC have increased the penalty for cartels to 10 years in jail

Contrast that with the wet bus ticket treatment here.

Time the Gumint grew some balls and started to defend the citizens instead of rewarding the crooks
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July 14, 2009 3:27pm
big bruv

Toad

Explain the whole pay equity thing for me, it is against the law to pay woman less than men so why the push for pay equity?

Or is this just another bullshit Green party trojan horse policy to raise the minimum wage?
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July 14, 2009 3:30pm
joeAverage

There are going to be 21?????????????????????hui to discus what our CUSSIE BRO want hung on the dorkland clothhanger
sorry folks this is johnboykeys efforts a child on the political scene. a total grinning fuckwit , money dosent make you a PM key stupid TOSSER key OPPS money to be made in the future from our cussie bro right our merchant banker john key COULD BE smiling YOUR INTERESTS are not NZ interests RIGHT JOHN , money to be MADE,
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July 14, 2009 4:28pm
joeAverage

There are going to be 21?????????????????????hui to discus what our CUSSIE BRO want hung on the dorkland cloakhanger
sorry folks this is johnboykeys efforts this person a child on the political scene. a total grinning fuckwit , money dosent make you a PM key stupid TOSSER key OPPS money to be made in the future from our cussie bro right our merchant banker john key COULD BE smiling YOUR INTERESTS are not NZ interests RIGHT JOHN , money to be MADE,, but lets not rubbish jk he works in a turd industry,and will make huge profits in any decsion this leech makes. GO JOHN KEY A RICH SELF SERVING TOSSER, a wasted vote UNLESS you are a maori. HI BRO got any land for sale
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July 14, 2009 4:39pm
Repton

“From what I can see, if you use 1gb will cost $30,000nzd. ($30/mb). I must be wrong!!!”

Depends which carrier you connect to. If you connect to Vodafone AU, it only costs 10c/10KB — that’s $10,000/GB. That’s the same rate you paid for data on Prepay in NZ until fairly recently — and (if memory serves) the same rate we paid for dialup internet traffic back in the mid-nineties..
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July 14, 2009 4:50pm
joeAverage

Mr Farrar check out if our tosser pm is trading is he making money as a merchant banker, I DONT TRUST THE GRINNING TOSSER, fucken banker and fucken maoris its a worry , we will give you NZ and all rights and i will get 10% , fuck us dumb working whites always get ripped off OPPS what 50% of the country or more
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July 14, 2009 4:57pm
joeAverage

DO YOU TRUST NATIONAL I SAY DO YOU TRUST THE NATIONAL PARTY and their current PRIME MINISTER john key
I DONT and i voted national BUT I WAS RIPPED OFF
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July 14, 2009 5:00pm
Nomestradamus

Uh oh, someone’s getting worked up…
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July 14, 2009 5:05pm
Hurf Durf

Phool, you looking out from some more smack? Tough shit, no more good times for you!

Jackoff, the Muslims have their own Sharia courts in the UK now. 82 of them, in fact. SOOOOOOOOOOO much evidence that Islam will be as relevant as astrology, am I right? I love idealistic socialists, shows just how much better I am.

Mickey, 22% gap between National and Labour. No one gives a fuck about Worth anymore. That byelection victory was so important, wasn’t it? Really fired up the Young Labour robots! Really showed the government that the Supercity isn’t wanted! Yeah! Woo! Right on!

joeAverage, calm the fuck down or join the Green Party please.
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July 14, 2009 5:10pm
NOt1tocommentoften

JoeAverage – until you can start articulating your concerns in a coherent and rational manner – don’t bother.
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July 14, 2009 5:17pm
joeAverage

DONT YOU FEEL RIPPED OFF by this OLD i repeat OLD PARTY( NATIONAL )nothing to add but a country to GIVE AWAY stupid fuckers as a dumb white unwanted white voter, not brown
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July 14, 2009 5:18pm
starboard

..stop yelling Joe for fucks sake…
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July 14, 2009 5:30pm
joeAverage

go john boy key grease up to the maori party 10/15% brown total VOTE of nz will get you back into power YER RIGHT, opp the whites the baulk might get pissed off, with you giving New Zealand away A BIG TAG JOHNBOY, but your brain isnt working YOU ARE A LEECH INVESTMENT BANKER you dont give a shit for your country (UNLESS 12.5% profit to be made) I DONT TRUST NATIONAL pm AND A INVESTMENT BANKER AS OUR PRIME MINISTER the arsehole wants a profit. the nats colour dirty purple we are nats liarbor AND MAORI
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July 14, 2009 5:32pm
joeAverage

GOOD NIGHT FOLKS ,THE MAORI the first race????,National INVESTMENT BANKERS and dermocracy, i think you get what you get (DONT WISH FOR IT)
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July 14, 2009 6:00pm
joeAverage

STARBOARD chill out ITS ONLY TEXT (caps) SHOUTING get over it wimp for god sakes you are not been raped , fuck i hate office workers as if text is their whole life IT IS, isnt it starboard you poor tosser, im a printer A MANUAL WORKER starboard and i blog and I DONT GIVE A SHIT sorry starboard have a pee and visit a rape crisess person
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July 14, 2009 6:13pm
thedavincimode

Joe, I sense that all is not well with you.

What’s on your mind?
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July 14, 2009 6:15pm
Nomestradamus

Hmmm … how to tell if the nice young men in those great white coats are coming to take you away … dissembling incoherent rants … CHIP ON BOTH SHOULDERS … men in white coats … coming to take you away …
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July 14, 2009 6:19pm
starboard

joeAverage …im a printer

no no joe…your a wanker…a fucktard…a loser…now run along and go and play in the traffic…
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July 14, 2009 6:50pm
mickysavage

expat

“Dear Mickey,

Seen the domestic recession coming? That one where the taxpayers aren’t paying as much tax to support the government department budgets and social welfare purse. Yeah, thought not.”

Actually I did and Helen and co campaigned on that basis. Remember Labour canceled its promises because they were not affordable after the sh*t hit the fan?

Key did not. According to him it would be business as usual. He told porkies. He even promised tax cuts bigger than what he delivered and said that he would personally guarantee them. He deserves all the criticism that he is getting.

GP

I am pretty sure that I have never asked the first question (was worth fired for committing adultery) or the second question (what happened to the cycleway). If I am wrong let me know.

nickb

“You have to be employed to get a tax cut”

I probably pay more in tax each year than you own in total.

Joeaverage

Don’t hold back. Say what you think.
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