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Patrick Starr

DPF This could be ‘worth’ a good caption contest

http://www.smh.com.au/world/the-g8-girl-who-caught-a-presidents-eye-20090712-dh19.html
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July 13, 2009 8:30am
terry

what is up with acts polling in the roy morgan 1% down 1.5 %….?
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July 13, 2009 8:31am
Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left

I know its old news now….. but seeing Prendergast on Breakfast going on about how Bastareaud’s lie damaged Wellington’s image really annoyed me at the time.
Is Wellington safe? Then why pretend it is to tourists?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/2587466/Dark-side-of-a-girls-night-out/
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2585757/Two-men-arrested-after-attacks-in-Wellington
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July 13, 2009 8:39am
bringbackthebiff

Nice Patrick. I have seen the video footage, in which Obame is turning to help the woman behind him down the stairs. It is a good freeze frame. However Sarkozy definitely had a good old perve. Check this one out

Chasers French Cheaters
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July 13, 2009 8:42am
Inventory2

@terry – you’re repeating yourself pal – you got owned over this on Saturday. Be a good lad and don’t spoil the discussion 🙂
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July 13, 2009 8:43am
Neil

Maybe it’s because Hide is running around like a headless chook re-local government.
Note, Hide is not in cabinet and there is another screen to stop any stupidity in the Local Government sector. Don’t think Bill English,Simon Power and Nick Smith will want to see Hide closing down effective councils in their area if they aren’t broke.
Great to read comments from the pro-big council supporters, blankly blaming bureaucrats etc without any understanding.Big usually means increased spending and less contact with councillors.
As for ACT the rest of the team look pretty suspect- Heather Roy, very weak at question time, David Garrett(!!!!)Roger Douglas,looking old and angry, John Boscowman, ok but what is his future ?
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July 13, 2009 8:44am
Chicken Little

I think there really needs to be some sort of inquiry into Tumekes blog ranking system.

I mean, on their own site they practice censorship and moderation to the point where hardly anyone comments there. Are they trying to say that thousands of people are going to read their words of wisdom but none are commenting?

A couple of weeks ago someone posted a comment there about how they must be gaming the system because they had stayed at number 10 even though they had upped their North Korean style censorship to new levels.

The comment was deleted within an hour or so but I saw it as did one other person I’ve spoken to.

Low and behold the next ‘survey’ comes out and Tumeke has dropped to number 11.

Coincidence?

I don’t think so. Any thoughts?
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July 13, 2009 8:51am
terry

inventory 2

i know i was looking for logical discussion…..which you may not be capable of

its good you and wasteoil have come clean and admitting your taking your meds….
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July 13, 2009 8:52am
philu

i agree that boscowan is the only one ..looking remotely like..anything..

(and 1%..heh..!..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 13, 2009 8:52am
Inventory2

@terry – I have no problems admitting that I’ve suffered from depression. It’s just a pity that a few more Winstonites couldn’t be as open, but most are still in denial over their absence from Parliament. That’s a shame really; you can’t face your demons until you admit to them!
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July 13, 2009 8:57am
philu

are you a ‘winstonite’..?..inventory 2..?

..(‘scuse me while i guffaw..!..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 13, 2009 9:00am
whalehunter

looks like the msm are all over the solicitor-generals decision to look at kiwi blog for contempt!!

this is bullshit!!!
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July 13, 2009 9:05am
Inventory2

philu said “are you a ‘winstonite’..?..inventory 2..?”

Wash your mouth out! That is a vile insult 🙂
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July 13, 2009 9:07am
philu

not necessarily..there..w.h..

i have watched with some amazement the depth/details of current court case reporting/comment..from both d.p.f…and commentators..

..(given the restrictions on the m.s.m..)

..and thought..

..’surely not..this can’t last’.

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 13, 2009 9:22am
Glutaemus Maximus

The MSM would love to see the Blogosphere emasculated. Pity that it can never happen. Freedom or Repression?

Brave Politician that tries to censor the Internet. Very Brave, and very stupid.
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July 13, 2009 9:43am
Patrick Starr

Bringbackthebiff. The obvious caption would be;

“Obama will always take a Brazilian over a Bush”
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July 13, 2009 9:51am
Rakaia George

Brave Politician that tries to censor the Internet. Very Brave, and very stupid.

You got that right, King Cnut all over again…
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July 13, 2009 9:51am
s.russell

To be fair, it is pretty frustrating to play by the rules yourself, and get scooped by others who don’t.
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July 13, 2009 9:52am
whalehunter

a legal system that has a jury understand evidence and argument, that decides over a persons life,
can turn around and block comment based on what exactly…

…. something to do with the jury’s judgement… or protection of a system….
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July 13, 2009 9:58am
Inventory2

Patrick – your wish is Keeping Stock’s command!!

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/07/obama-caption-contest.html
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July 13, 2009 10:14am
philu

eh..?

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/new-zealand-oplympian-becomes-pimpto-fund-his-2012-olympic-campaignmum-was-hesitant-but-she-met-the-girls-a-couple-came-over-to-her-house-and-she-was-sweet-as/

(heh..!..this one is chocka-full of great one-liners.

“..i am not a pimp..i am an escort agency owner..”)

if it looks like a pimp..smells like a pimp..

..it probably is a pimp..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 13, 2009 10:30am
Patrick Starr

So even a ‘pimp’ wouldn’t stoop to taking handouts…………….eh.?
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July 13, 2009 10:47am
wreck1080

Labours Push play campaign is officially a failure.

Yet another labour party scheme has failed. Despite pumping millions and millions of dollars into their push play campaigns, todays story is that kiwis are now the 3rd fattest country on earth.

Thanks Helen, I wonder how many people died on hospital waiting lists because of your feel-good campaigns.
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July 13, 2009 11:05am
philu

and thanks national..for dismantling any/all healthy-food initiatives/programmes..

..eh..?

(let’s try for ..’we’re number two!’..eh..?..

damn those mexicans..!..being number two..!

kee-wee..!..kee-wee..!)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 13, 2009 11:28am
Inventory2

The difference between New Zealand and #4 is possibly Parekura 😉
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July 13, 2009 11:35am
starboard

possibly Parekura

..that man is fat…I mean he is FAT , a very poor role model for moldy…
..” What do fat people do on hot days” ?
.. ” stink “…
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July 13, 2009 12:17pm
big bruv

Who the fuck is Phool to be judging anybody?
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July 13, 2009 12:25pm
Ryan Sproull

..that man is fat…I mean he is FAT , a very poor role model for moldy…

For what?
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July 13, 2009 12:29pm
Inventory2

I believe he means “Maori” Ryan – starboard and MNIJ both use the term.
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July 13, 2009 12:36pm
starboard

mouldy…moldy…same same..just pronouncing it how the moldy radicals pronounce it…
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July 13, 2009 12:40pm
Ratbiter

Fancy allowing the natives to use their own pronunciation for the general name applied to their race! Those damn cheeky darkies…
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July 13, 2009 12:42pm
starboard

..and the goody good PC hand wringing sickly white liberal broadcasters pronounce it moldy….but not me boys
has always been ” marry ” and will always be ” marry “…
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July 13, 2009 12:43pm
Ratbiter

You’re tuned to Kiwiblog, folks 😉
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July 13, 2009 12:45pm
philu

“..# big bruv (3997) Vote: Add rating 2 Subtract rating 1 Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

Who the fuck is Phool to be judging anybody?
..”

who exactly am i ‘judging’..?

oh..!..and i am a not-obese vegan..

..watching the world around me gorging on fat/flesh/blood/’white-death’-dairy..

..as they ‘waddle’ through their day..

..destination..?..

..early grave..

..(now that you mention it)

..whaddayagot..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 13, 2009 12:49pm
starboard

beats wastin time at the sub standard…makes me wana vomit readin their shite..
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July 13, 2009 12:51pm
Rakaia George

Yeah Phil, ‘cos those Beef + Lamb girls look awful on it don’t they? Eh?
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July 13, 2009 1:22pm
Portia

Where’s Redbaiter? Will he still champion his poster girl if she turns Democrat?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/12/palin-stump-conservative-democrats/?feat=home_cube_position1&
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July 13, 2009 1:29pm
MyNameIsJack

Where’s radbaiter when you need him? A great article on Palin in WSJ, much for him to agree with.

Her history does not need to be rehearsed at any length. Ten months ago she was embraced with friendliness by her party. The left and the media immediately overplayed their hand, with attacks on her children.

(…)

She was hungry, loved politics, had charm and energy, loved walking onto the stage, waving and doing the stump speech.

(…)

What she is, is a seemingly very nice middle-class girl with ambition, appetite and no sense of personal limits.

Then, of course, are the killer lines.

“The media did her in.” Her lack of any appropriate modesty did her in. Actually, it’s arguable that membership in the self-esteem generation harmed her. For 30 years the self-esteem movement told the young they’re perfect in every way. It’s yielding something new in history: an entire generation with no proper sense of inadequacy.

“Turning to others means the media won!” No, it means they lose. What the mainstream media wants is not to kill her but to keep her story going forever. She hurts, as they say, the Republican brand, with her mess and her rhetorical jabberwocky and her careless causing of division. Really, she is the most careless sower of discord since George W. Bush, who fractured the party and the movement that made him. Why wouldn’t the media want to keep that going?

Here’s why all this matters. The world is a dangerous place. It has never been more so, or more complicated, more straining of the reasoning powers of those with actual genius and true judgment. This is a time for conservative leaders who know how to think.

Here are a few examples of what we may face in the next 10 years: a profound and prolonged American crash, with the admission of bankruptcy and the spread of deep social unrest; one or more American cities getting hit with weapons of mass destruction from an unknown source; faint glimmers of actual secessionist movements as Americans for various reasons and in various areas decide the burdens and assumptions of the federal government are no longer attractive or legitimate.

The era we face, that is soon upon us, will require a great deal from our leaders. They had better be sturdy. They will have to be gifted. There will be many who cannot, and should not, make the cut. Now is the time to look for those who can. And so the Republican Party should get serious, as serious as the age, because that is what a grown-up, responsible party—a party that deserves to lead—would do.

It’s not a time to be frivolous, or to feel the temptation of resentment, or the temptation of thinking next year will be more or less like last year, and the assumptions of our childhoods will more or less reign in our future. It won’t be that way.

We are going to need the best.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124716984620819351.html
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July 13, 2009 1:33pm
philu

you mean those ex-rowing/now meat-pimp twins..?

now that you mention it..

..they do have the skin tone of carnivores..

..vegans have a certain ‘glow’ of health about them..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 13, 2009 1:33pm
senzafine

Glow of illHealth more-like.

What source do you get your RDI of B12 from phool? How’s those energy levels? Had any hair and skin complaints of late?
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July 13, 2009 1:49pm
Chthoniid

Show us a picture Phool, of your legendary physique. Words mean nothing without evidence.
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July 13, 2009 1:51pm
CraigM

Gore: U.S. Climate Bill Will Help Bring About ‘Global Governance’

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1893/Gore-US-Climate-Bill-Will-Help-Bring-About-Global-Governance

“The tens of billions of dollars per year generated by a global tax would “flow into a global Multilateral Adaptation Fund”…”

If they weren’t serious and it wasn’t so damn scary, it would almost be funny.
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July 13, 2009 2:13pm
Hurf Durf

Apparently gums glow when they bleed enough.
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July 13, 2009 2:39pm
stephen

..and the goody good PC hand wringing sickly white liberal broadcasters pronounce it moldy….but not me boys
has always been ” marry ” and will always be ” marry “…

Still call Pukekos ‘swamp hens’? 😉
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July 13, 2009 2:40pm
stephen

A George Monbiot on the whole vegan thing:

But I cannot advocate a [vegan] diet that I am incapable of following. I tried it for about 18 months, lost two stone, went as white as bone and felt that I was losing my mind. I know a few healthy-looking vegans, and I admire them immensely. But after almost every talk that I give, I am pestered by swarms of vegans demanding that I adopt their lifestyle. I cannot help noticing that in most cases their skin has turned a fascinating pearl grey.
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July 13, 2009 2:42pm
MyNameIsJack

My ancestors rose to the top of the food chain, I will not dishonour their work by living on cabbage.
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July 13, 2009 2:49pm
stephen

What source do you get your RDI of B12 from phool?

Marmite! Not vegemite tho
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July 13, 2009 2:58pm
Patrick Starr

Chthoniid -here tis

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/puffy_amiyumi/ParasiteEve.png
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July 13, 2009 3:01pm
Hurf Durf

More like http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/residentevil/images/7/72/ZombieRECV.jpg. It has the same language skills, too.
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July 13, 2009 3:03pm
bringbackthebiff

Yes CraigM, and Gore will be at the front of the queue to cash in, make no mistake. Gore is only in this for his own profit.
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July 13, 2009 3:08pm
Ratbiter

Portia –

Re the lack of Redbaiter since news of the new non-partisan Palin… Suicide?
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July 13, 2009 3:12pm
Hurf Durf

Protip: she’s stumping for conservative Democrats who would be less likely to support Obummer’s dumbassery post-2010. That’s pragmatism, none of this “I’m backing the mullahs in Iran so I can have my precious negotiations” junk. Plus, it makes her sound “bipartisan.” Everyone loves people who are “bipartisan,” even when they aren’t.
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July 13, 2009 3:19pm
wreck1080

That willy / john combo on radio live are talking a lot about the Wetherston trial. I wonder, if they will also be investigated?
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July 13, 2009 3:24pm
Chthoniid

Thanks Patrick and Hurd Durf, it’s close to what I expect 🙂

Wearing my zoologist’s hat for a second, the reality is that humans are omnivores and can thrive under a range of diets. Vegetarian diets are for the most part, correlated to the same health statistics (heart disease, diabetes, cancers etc) as Mediterranean diets. Historically we would have eaten meat occasionally, and a lot of other foods (grains, pulses, vegetables, fruits) regularly. I think pretty much the dietary evidence is that if you stick to something close to that (animal protein in moderation, balanced by fruits and vegetables) you do fine. Being a vegetarian with a fondness for cheeses is going to fall within our tolerances.

It’s where you get extremes in consumption that range beyond our (flexible) tolerances that you create health issues. Obesity is linked to a diet heavy in meats, fats and sugars at the expense of the other foods we’ve evolved to eat. Similarly, I think veganism is getting dangerously narrow in variety, and would be very challenging to meet dietary needs.
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July 13, 2009 3:38pm
Chthoniid

My ancestors rose to the top of the food chain, I will not dishonour their work by living on cabbage.

Alas, many people still get killed by animals that don’t believe we are at the top of the food-chain (crocodilians are responsible for a good many deaths in developing countries, and occasionally Australia and Florida). Leopards, tigers and lions still kill people. Bears still kill people. Snakes still kill people. Sharks still kill people.

We don’t do bad these days as far as the food-chain goes, but trust me, being around 4-5m crocs in a swamp in the NT does cause a lot of revision of where people sit in the food chain.
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July 13, 2009 3:45pm
tom hunter

So Jack is back with more frothing about Palin – and now with Peggy Noonan riding shotgun. The same Peggy Noonan who gushed over The One throughout 2008?

This may come as a surprise to you MNIJ (I imagine many things do), but right-wingers are usually not as fanatical about right-wing parties or politicians as left-wingers are about theirs. You only need to check out the scathing attacks on various National Party politicians and their policies on this site to understand that.

Having said that, Noonan (and leftist mouthpieces) might want to consider that Palin struck a chord with tens of millions of Americans for reasons beyond her looks – assuming you do actually want to think about this rather just indulge in smearing – because that may have an effect in upcoming elections or other events.

To that end readers might want to have a look at this take down of Noonan.

While not wanting to cut and paste the whole thing there are counterpoints too delicious to miss:

Noonan responds to the charge that “the media did her in” by saying “her lack of any appropriate modesty did her in.”
Remember, an Obama supporter wrote this.
For Peggy’s dreamboat, a replicated Greek temple shows appropriate modesty when giving a convention speech.

In dealing to some of the …killer lines…. you so gleefully pasted:
……the world is a dangerous place. It has never been more so, or more complicated, more straining of the reasoning powers of those with actual genius and true judgment……..faint glimmers of actual secessionist movements as Americans for various reasons….

It never occurs to Noonan that those “glimmers of actual secessionist movements” might be caused by freedom-loving people fleeing the “actual genius and true judgment” of the shady, unqualified junior senator she couldn’t wait to sweep into the White House.
Hey, Peg, that “admission of bankruptcy” you’re quivering about? That’s coming because your boy Obama crashed the economy, looted the treasury of the future to serve the ultimate pork dinner to his faithful allies, and appointed fools and frauds to supervise his programs. He’s trying to pass a ludicrous energy plan that will cost each American family thousands of dollars, and guarantee a recession for decades to come. If America doesn’t rally to stop him in 2010, he’ll bury what’s left of the moribund economy under the bloodless husk of a nationalized health-care industry

and…

If McCain had won in 2008, then immediately resigned for health reasons and left Palin in the White House, would she have cost us less than a trillion dollars? If so, she’d be a bargain compared to the nightmare Peggy Noonan helped to unleash.

or responding to this:

“And so the Republican Party should get serious, as serious as the age, because that is what a grown-up, responsible party—a party that deserves to lead—would do.”

This is frothy, delusional milk, sprayed on top of a long, boring latte of condescension. Nothing could be less serious than fawning over a hollow President, who wastes his citizens’ time with absurd fantasies about multi-trillion-dollar health care takeovers, piled on top of an already astronomical national debt.

The latest polls suggest the public is becoming impatient with the infantile antics of the party Noonan thought should control both houses of Congress, and the presidency.

If Peggy wants to see what an unserious, immature party looks like, she should watch video of Nancy Pelosi stammering about how the CIA lied to her, or leaf through the avalanche of scandals engulfing nearly every major Democrat. She could complete her education by dropping by to watch Al Franken squatting in his brand-new Senate seat.
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July 13, 2009 3:50pm
Cerium

Tom, are you suggesting that the Republicans shouldn’t bother trying to get someone intelligent to lead them? That seemed to be the crux of the Noonan article (the same Noonan who wrote speeches for Reagan, worked for George HW and campaigned for George W).

There is not need to go through your post point by point, but it’s a wee bit of a stretch saying Obama crashed the economy (although it’s reasonable to question the remedies he has tried after George W began trying to fix the damage).
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July 13, 2009 4:01pm
NeillR

The elephant in the room!
New Victoria Park tunnel

The traffic chokepoint on the existing Victoria Park viaduct rather than the harbour bridge was the main limiting factor on Auckland’s central motorway network,

Actually the chokepoint is at Kyber Pass where you have some of the most inept traffic engineering you’re ever likely to see. Southbound – traffic enters at KP while traffic is trying to leave at Gilles Ave. It’s a nightmare. The same thing happens northbound where traffic enters at Gilles and traffic is exiting at KP.

The LTSA could solve the Spagetti Junction snarlup simply and for little cost by shutting the on and off ramps at Kyber Pass. There would be a bit of inconvenience, but it’s nothing compared to the massive number of cars that get slowed to a crawl around this area.
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July 13, 2009 4:02pm
tom hunter

Cerium

The point is that Republicans in particular and right-wingers in general only have two memes attached to them: stoopid (GW, Palin, Reagan) or evil (Cheney).

Actually there probably is a third meme – schmuck – which was how George H W Bush was regarded as he was led up the garden path of tax increases from a Democratic Senate and House. For all the praise of bipartisanship and moderation it counted for nothing when the time came to destroy him – and which Noonan and co were woefully unprepared to counter.

I agree that it is a stretch to stick it to Obama about crashing the economy when George started the ball rolling, but’s it’s perfectly fair to point out that he has kept the crash going and possibly even accelerated it with all the Keynesian insanity.

In any case you won’t see many left-wingers apologising for their role in all this – and those polemics are simply shrugged off as the way the Left approach politics, when it’s not being sold as an incisive analysis of “right-wing capitalism” that is.
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July 13, 2009 4:10pm
Hurf Durf

I remember the “Raygun be stooooopid” meme. Then Obummer got elected and his cultists started to compare his oratory to Reagan’s. Cheeky bastards, thy name is the left.
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July 13, 2009 4:24pm
cha

Having returned to my Asian redoubt after 5 weeks in the USA at the family homestead, I can now take stock and reflect on the tone and tenor of American public discourse.

Paul Buchanan
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July 13, 2009 4:32pm
Cerium

The way both sides in the US approach politics is not pretty. Failure politics, the greater the disaster the better almost. GW campaigned on uniting and divided. Obama talked the talk, but there is no sign so far of any success.

Here it isn’t so bad because we have relatively smaller failures. We also have a much smaller ship to turn around. That is part of the reason why Key is having some success – but it also helps that he doesn’t let past crap bother him, he tries to find the best way to get things done with whoever will help him achieve it. It won’t always work but it’s certainly a step in the right direction.

And to preempt the ones who will jump in and say Key’s government is a defacto Labour – get used to it. Most people are somewhere in the middle so that is where most policies will be directed. You are dreaming if you think the whole Act manifesto could ever be implemented. They don’t exactly have rip roaring levels of support.
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July 13, 2009 4:32pm
Jack5

New topic if I may…

Anyone hear DPF and Kiwiblog in the gun this afternoon on Radio NZ – Jim’s afternoon show with Bomber Bradbury and Rosemary McLeod, and temporarily Professor Jim Tully, trainer of the MSM at Canterbury Uni?

They likened our favourite blog (and unnamed other blogs) to a “dunny door” and seemed to cheer on the Solicitor General.

Tully:” I hope the Solicitor General does something”

Bomber Bradley:” I… I…. I…. I… I… I… I… I…”

He was taking advantage of the radio exposure to boost his own blog, and naturally, himself.
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July 13, 2009 5:03pm
Gosman

Did anyone listen to the Panel discussion on Afternoons with Jim Mora on RNZ National today?

Apparently Martin ‘Bomber’ Bradbury believes that DPF should be prosecuted by the Solicitor General for some of the comments made on here regarding current Court cases e.g. Clayton Weatherton so as to serve as some sort of example to the rest of the Blogosphere.

Funny that he didn’t mention that he himself has been making these sorts of comments as well.

Why am I thinking of something beginning with H and rhyming with Prickoshit?
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July 13, 2009 5:08pm
Gosman

Jack you B@stard! Bet me to it by 5 mins. Damn You!!!!
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July 13, 2009 5:10pm
Gosman

It seems DPF is taking a very mature position on this whole situation regarding the Solicitor Generals veiled threats and waiting to see what comes out. Unlike Mr Bradbury it seems. What a complete w@nker!
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July 13, 2009 5:12pm
joeAverage

I am listning to newstalkzb and they are saying that the ex investment banker the boy who call himself our pm NO SKILLS johnboykey just a stupid grin and money?? dosnt make for great PM BUT great profits in future investments john boy key.YOU have devistated adult education ( FUCK THE SPECIAL NEEDS KIDS STUFF THEM RIGHT JOHNBOY NO MONEY IN CHILDREN IS THERE TOSSER) slash their funding arsehole and i voted for you RICH prick.THIS IS PURPLE LIARBOR/ NATIONAL THE SAME OLD SAME OLD corrupt tossers(the hon yer right) i voted for these shits ( im john key and we dont want education) fuck bring on A REAL LEADER OF NEW ZEALAND, not a rich leech banker called johnboy the friend of EVERY one. ps you will be paying and paying as he is a blood sucking leech ex banker and the foreshore and sea bed is comming up ( MORE MONEY TO BE MADE)profits
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July 13, 2009 5:22pm
philu

“..I think veganism is getting dangerously narrow in variety, and would be very challenging to meet dietary needs..”

um..!..i know people who have been vegans for over 40 years..

..and they glow with health..

..where did you pluck that canard from..?

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July 13, 2009 5:22pm
wreck1080

ACC are a bunch of pricks.

I thought , why don’t I pay online? That is what everyone does these days.

However, ACC charge 2.49% convenience fee, plus a $3.00 online payment fee if you want to pay online.

Everything ACC attempts is an abortion.
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July 13, 2009 5:30pm
Hurf Durf

I know the feeling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpCAIFv6t5o
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July 13, 2009 5:56pm
Chthoniid

“..I think veganism is getting dangerously narrow in variety, and would be very challenging to meet dietary needs..”

um..!..i know people who have been vegans for over 40 years..

..and they glow with health..

..where did you pluck that canard from..?

phil

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition for one. Being a vegan is a risk factor for anemia and low calcium. It’s not inevitable of course, in the same way that a red-meat diet does not inevitably lead to colon cancer. But it is one of the risks of straying ‘far’ from a basic omnivorous diet.

I’m afraid that you have no medical qualifications, appear to not examined any of these vegans you claim to know, and suffer the delusion that you are healthier than the two Olympic gold-winners. (Hence my request for photographic evidence).

This puts your assertions of the health benefits pretty much on par with assertions that the Easter bunny leaves chocolate eggs for children to find.
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July 13, 2009 6:16pm
Steve

wreck1080 (528) said ACC are a bunch of pricks.

You have just discovered this? Try making a claim. Fully covered until you make a claim? Sure there are some who abuse it.

I had a genuine work injury which required surgery and a long time away from work. ACC fucked me about for nearly 5 months before paying any compensation. The more I complained, the longer I waited. The mickey mouse outfit is run by PC Socialists.
So don’t expect them to co-operate with you to make things easier and simpler. The idea is to screw things up and give you no reason. All about keeping their job? probably
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July 13, 2009 6:23pm
philu

once again..this is the same bullshit that used to be said about vegetarians..

..before that became mainstream..

so..we are the third most obese country in the world..

..but..just carry on as before..eh..?

..just keep on knecking all that flesh/fat/blood/white-death-dairy..

..eh..?

..and hey..!..dairy leaches calcium from bones..

..(ask fonterra..their research proved that..)

..other/leafy sourceds of calcium don’t leach calcium from bones..

..doh..!..eh..?

..carry on..!

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July 13, 2009 6:27pm
Glutaemus Maximus

Strange ho KiwiBlog has been singled out for special mention regarding possible contempt.

They are trying to prevent citizens having opinions, albeit available to view on open source.

Perhaps the other folks with blogs are just jealous that nobody reads them or or their commentators?
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July 13, 2009 6:31pm
adc

am I the only one that is left wondering HTF did this happen????

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10584131

“Woman dies after falling in ditch”.

She was left there for like 5 hours to die of hypothermia. Was she like 1000lb or something that they couldn’t move her? Amazing.
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July 13, 2009 6:34pm
Glutaemus Maximus

Worth repeating with Gusto.

CraigM (498) 8 0 Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Gore: U.S. Climate Bill Will Help Bring About ‘Global Governance’

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1893/Gore-US-Climate-Bill-Will-Help-Bring-About-Global-Governance

“The tens of billions of dollars per year generated by a global tax would “flow into a global Multilateral Adaptation Fund”…”

If they weren’t serious and it wasn’t so damn scary, it would almost be funny.

That is an excellent link. The Skeptics are gathering momentum. Gore failed to become President, and now wants to be the first Carbon Billionaire, and DG/President of the UN.

Pretty sure that the UN Charter forbids a take-over of Democracy, and Sovreignty by Quasi Religious pressure Grroups.

What worries me the most is that the movers and shakes in AGW/ now branded ‘Climate Change’, is that they refuse to be

accountable in any debate. The Science is not settled. Science by definition never is!!
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July 13, 2009 6:42pm
Viking2

Steve and wreck. Every word you say about them is correct. Total useless for self employed.
Asked last week if I could pay online, nice young lady who said sure I don’t understand why we don’t put our account no on the invoices. Not her fault of course but shows what stupid numskull pratts run the place when they don’t even make it easy to pay the bill. Still they have a nut case minister with a large ego so maybe we should tell him to fix it. He’s into attacking everything else they do.
DPF; next time you see the irrational Smith tell him to get the account no on their invoices.
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July 13, 2009 6:47pm
Chthoniid

We’re not the third most obese.

If you bother to check, we are one of a few group of countries that estimates their obesity rates by actual measurements of samples. Most OECD countries do so by self-reporting. That means we bypass all the fatties living in denial.

Second, if you drop Maori and PI from the sample, NZ obesity rates drop away very quickly. This is not to say that we don’t have oobesity problems, but the causes are complex.

Further, I am a vegetarian (but draw heavily on Mediterranean styles of cooking). Never got the vegan thing and I haven’t seen any vegans that have convinced me it’s a healthy lifestyle. So, I’m very interested in getting past the bullshit you toss about- to the documentary evidence that you are indeed, healthier than an Olympic gold medallist.

Photos please. I’ll even link to one of mine for comparison purposes.
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July 13, 2009 6:47pm
Glutaemus Maximus

And this from Wastoils blog.

Is it actually true? I hope so.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/content/30000-scientist-sue-al-gore-fraud
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July 13, 2009 6:50pm
Viking2

Speaking about prosecuting DPF for his blog I doubt that he will have to worry too much. After all the same Solicitor General never got round to prosecuting Winston nor Clark for all the naughty things they did, so with DPF’s close links to the now incumbent party I guess he could feel aggrieved if he wasn’t treated in the same manner.
Apart from that the solicitor general may be inclined and may even win but it would be a hollow win and he would lose the war before he started.
Some people just never learn.
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July 13, 2009 6:51pm
policynotpolitics

DPF – have started a new blog where the focus is on policy prescriptions for NZ and leaving the politics for others to delve into. Have started with my take on the obesity epidemic research out today. I want to focus on issues of super and the foreshore and seabed in future postings.

http://policynotpolitics.blogspot.com/
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July 13, 2009 6:54pm
adamsmith1922

Why does no one get upset when Tuku Morgan tries to buy council seats?
http://bit.ly/v0yVZ
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July 13, 2009 6:55pm
starboard

YOU have devistated adult education ( FUCK THE SPECIAL NEEDS KIDS STUFF

..go back to school and educate yaself you fuckwit…parasitic laybore voter…I bet you’re a smelly dole bludging overweight loser…
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July 13, 2009 6:56pm
Ryan Sproull

..go back to school and educate yaself you fuckwit…parasitic laybore voter…I bet your a dole bludging overweight loser…

Be nice.
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July 13, 2009 6:58pm
Bok

Chthoniid
You are wasting your breath. You are trying to engage with a person so devoid of rational thought that he believes he knows better than nature. Ask him what his dog got fed? You got it a vegan diet. This “greenie” is so cruel to animals he decides to change carnivores into herbivores. Regardless of the fact that they are not physically set up to be so malnutritioned.
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July 13, 2009 7:00pm
Bok

And on the comeback that I am a big bastard, yep! however my vitals are fantastic and i have only ever been ill from work once in my life, and that was when I was shot. So as obese as I am, (and that is debatable) I am a hell of a lot healthier than the spindly sniveler.
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July 13, 2009 7:03pm
philu

dogs are omnivores..bok..

and clint..i am in here..

see if you can pick which one..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2HxfObuWDg

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July 13, 2009 7:08pm
Viking2

Crucial Questions Need Answers

As a series of consultation meetings about New Zealand’s binding target for greenhouse gas emissions for the year 2020 are being held by around the country, questions must be asked about how well the public of New Zealand are being served on this issue.

Firstly, where are the details of the economic consequences of proposed targets? This is a crucial question especially as the government still hasn’t produced a Regulatory Impact Analysis of their proposed Emissions Trading Scheme which deals with emissions targets based on 1990 levels. Secondly, why haven’t we been asked the more fundamental question of whether New Zealand should be signing up to a replacement to the Kyoto Protocol at all? And thirdly, why are we even considering supporting any such treaty to stop global warming when global warming stopped of its own accord in 1998?

Without a doubt public consultation is at the heart of our Westminster style of Parliamentary democracy. It forms the foundation of the working of Select Committees, where public submissions regarding inquiries and draft legislation, are regularly called for.* The Government also uses public consultation to seek feedback on proposed policy initiatives. The problem is that in politics, if a minority group is organised and vocal enough, it can become a political majority with consultation meetings turning into a feeding frenzy to satisfy the avaricious appetite of political extremists.

Consulting engineer Bryan Leyland, this week’s NZCPR Guest Commentator, went along to one of these so-called consultation meetings for the 2020 emissions target last Monday. He explains:

“The meeting was at the Hyatt Regency ballroom in Auckland. There would have been at least 300 people there. I would say that more than 90 percent were convinced that man-made global warming was real and dangerous and at least 70 percent had been herded there by Greenpeace and the Green Party. Many of them had large professionally done posters with “40% by 2020” on them. They would have cost several dollars each and I suspect that Greenpeace had been handing them out as people came into the hall. I understand that Greenpeace also flew their leading protagonists from meeting to meeting. With a 2007 income of more than $400 million, this is the sort of thing that Greenpeace can do. But is this democracy at work? It is certainly a tactic that my friends in Iran would be familiar with”.

“The whole show bore a strong resemblance to a ‘salvation circus’. Hard science, evidence, commonsense and economic realities did not come into it. As far as most people in the room were concerned, the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) represented the word of God. To these people, dangerous global warming was an established fact and it was beyond doubt that if New Zealand adopted “40% by 2020”, we would save the world. To suggest otherwise was heresy.

“The meeting started off with a presentation by Nick Smith that included the usual IPCC curves promising environmental disaster as the world got hotter and hotter. He made it very clear that he was convinced that man-made global warming was real and dangerous and something had to be done”. To read Bryan’s full account, click the sidebar link>>>

So, with well-funded radical environmental groups having captured the public consultation process (and the Minister, by the sound of it!) one can only hope that policy development procedures are based on sound science and rational thinking. However, that might be overly ambitious, as according to Bryan’s report, the Minister indicated at the meeting that “the National Party relied entirely on the IPCC for their scientific advice”.

But first things first. The setting of an emissions target for 2020 pre-supposes that New Zealand intends to support a replacement to the Kyoto Protocol when it expires in 2012. Yet the public has never been asked whether New Zealand should sign up to another international global warming treaty like the Kyoto Protocol.

Why should a small, poor, rurally based country with a tiny industrial sector be standing alongside the world’s largest industrial nations? Especially when it means committing to binding targets that are virtually impossible to achieve, because our emissions come largely from agriculture, which cannot be reduced unless we cut production and devastate the economy.

In an article condemning Stephen Tindall and other “celebrities” persuaded by Greenpeace to support the “40% by 2020” campaign, Catherine Beard from the Greenhouse Policy Coalition quantifies what the environmentalists’ targets would mean: “To achieve a 40% emission reduction in eleven short years we would have to take drastic action. If you took all transport off the road you would save around 20% of our national emissions, if you shut down our industry you would save a measly 12 %, if you went to 100% renewable electricity you would save an even more measly 11% (given we already have a high percentage of renewable electricity generation). Clearly it is not feasible to require 100% emission reductions from these sectors of the economy, but that is the sort of drastic action that would result in 40% emission reductions. Even to halve emissions from these sectors, would have a dramatic negative impact on our economy and lead to massive job losses”.[1]

Clearly, one would think that such ridiculous targets would not be considered by any rational Government – however, National has confirmed that it supports the long term goal of reducing New Zealand’s net emissions by 50 percent by 2050! In the meantime, the massive cost of their proposed Emissions Trading tax remains a source of major concern.

Dennis Avery, a senior fellow for the Washington-based Hudson Institute, who recently visited New Zealand has quantified some of the costs – and consequences – that we should expect from an emissions trading tax. He explains that “A 500-cow dairy might have to pay $250,000 per year for cattle emissions and manure handling permits, plus a hefty increase in its costs for low-carbon electricity and diesel”. In comparison he explains that “An Argentine dairy would pay none of these increased costs—and every dollar of cost differential would be a further incentive for Argentine dairymen to expand their exports at the expense of New Zealand”.[2]

He believes that no country in the world would risk as much for “global warming” as New Zealand if it installs an emissions trading energy tax, because of the fact that our economy is so dependent on farm exports: “If New Zealand taxes its cows and sheep hundreds of dollars per animal for methane emissions and manure handling fees, Argentina would almost immediately displace New Zealand’s farm exports. Argentina has more grass, more cattle, the potential for more lambs, a surging wine industry—and no Kyoto obligations”.

He also rubbished the low cost estimates that have been bandied around about the impact of an emissions trading tax on households saying that “The British government now admits its new carbon tax law could cost as much as $27,000 per UK family.”

Dennis said these things “to several New Zealand government ministers and business leaders at a private dinner in Wellington. My message was not welcomed. John Key’s new government seems to understand that New Zealand’s economy would be at terrible risk from carbon taxes—but its voters apparently don’t realise it”.

But do they? Maybe skepticism is growing here – as it is around the world – it’s just that without polls there is no way of measuring it.

There have been a number of opinion polls published in the US which clearly show that public concern over man-made global warming is waning. In the last few months, a Gallup poll showed that 41 percent of the population believes that global warming claims are exaggerated. A Pew poll showed that only half of the public agreed that climate change is caused by people, and another found that global warming had dropped to the lowest priority issue for the President. A Rasmussen poll showed that 34 percent of the public thought that global warming was primarily caused by human activity compared with 48 percent who believed it was caused by planetary trends, and a Zogby poll showed that only 30 percent supported an emissions trading scheme.

In Australia, polls are showing a rise in public skepticism, while here in New Zealand, one of the only reported polls on this issue was published by the environmental group SHAPE NZ, which produced the questionable result that business people wanted a multi-party emissions trading deal to be put in place within 6 months!

Politicians study public polls intently. They are very influential in the policy development process as they provide an insight into public opinion in a way that is often not possible to obtain through other forms of public consultation. That’s why the NZCPR is so keen to recruit more volunteers for our Research Panel so that informed newsletter readers have an opportunity to help shape the direction of public policy in New Zealand – if you would like to help, please register here>>>.

Information and feedback received by the NZCPR is indicative of a shift in public opinion about global warming. The BBC has just reported that international academics are now urging world leaders to abandon the Kyoto Protocol approach because it is having “no meaningful effect whatsoever”.[3] The Wall Street Journal provides a roundup of the world-wide increase in skepticism especially in Australia, as Senator Stephen Fielding threatens to vote down that country’s emissions trading bill – because the science of human-caused global warming doesn’t stack up.[4] Christopher Booker in the Telegraph describes how the cost of a replacement for the Kyoto Protocol (the Copenhagen Treaty) would have a devastating impact on world economies.[5] And in the Spectator, James Delingpole has interviewed Australian Professor Ian Plimer, the author of the landmark book “Heaven and Earth”, who has not only explained that the climate change debate has been hijacked by ‘politicians, environmentalists and opportunists’, but describes anthropogenic global warming theory as the “biggest, most dangerous and ruinously expensive con trick in history”![6]

If such information was reflected in mainstream New Zealand media, public attitudes would be such that the Government would be consulting on exit strategies for the Kyoto Protocol instead of targets for 2020.

But that is where the NZCPR comes in. Our purpose is to provide an insight into the public policy process, exposing important research and information that is often ignored by mainstream media. On top of that we actively promote open debate free from the prevailing PC orthodoxy through our weekly guest commentators (Prof Ian Plimer has agreed to provide an article sometime soon), a growing number of influential columnists, and of course our controversial on-line Debating Chamber Forum http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=3
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July 13, 2009 7:14pm
philu

great to hear that your ‘vitals are fantastic’..there..bok..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 13, 2009 7:15pm
Bok

Phil you go back to torturing animals. It is what you do best. You mindless fool. If you want to torture and mistreat your body, thats fine, but doing it to animals is beyond cruel. And piss off with the natural history knowledge. Have a look at dogs and all those who belong to the Canidae family and you wont find any hunting carrots or grass.

People like you who always pretend to care for the enviroment, while enforcing your torture on animals, really piss me off.

So until you stop hurting animals and feed your dog properly, i have no interest in what you say.
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July 13, 2009 7:25pm
Chthoniid

There you go Phool- Moi- http://chthoniid.zenfolio.com/img/v5/p225815018-4.jpg

Swindell Twins-
http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/olympics/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20080820/0013729e4abe0a15cddd20.jpg

Your turn.
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July 13, 2009 7:32pm
Glutaemus Maximus

“Hunting Carrots or Grass”

priceless.

So funny.

That is why they pack to-gether then?

They can’t be too careful when stalking in Ohakune!
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July 13, 2009 7:36pm
philu

hey..clitlid..!

..my dick is bigger than yours..

..you go first..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 13, 2009 7:43pm
starboard

it cant be whore…we all no you sit down to pee fool…eh..?
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July 13, 2009 7:49pm
Hurf Durf

Phool reminds me of those idiot parents who give their newborns vegan diets and when it dies they go “BUT WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY THEY WERE HEALTHY WE GAVE THEM AN ORGANIC VEGAN DIET”
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July 13, 2009 7:55pm
NeillR

hey..clitlid..!

..my dick is bigger than yours..

Phil, is this what masquerades as debate on the Left these days? I could understand it from Mallard because he doensn’t know any better, but dood – raise your sights.
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July 13, 2009 8:03pm
philu

we have a ten year old..and her six year old daughter..

..they have shiney coats/wet/black noses/bright eyes..

..and they have the agility/energies of young puppies..

..whereas a ten year old dog fed on that crap in dog rolls..

..is seizing/stiffening up by then..

..i sometimes parade them for disbelieving/dubious vets..

..the last one asked me what shampoo i used to get their coats so shiny..

..so bok..meh..!

..stick yr irrational/ignorant prejudices..eh..?

and hey..!..do you have a dog..?

..i’ll betcha it’s a fat fuck..that waddles..

..eh..?

..talk about ‘animal abuse’..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 13, 2009 8:07pm
philu

hey neill..!..i was trying to be ‘funny’..

y’kmow..he wants a muscle comp..

i was playing with him..

(you left out the punchline..

‘you go first’..

oh..!..never mind..!

..carry on..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 13, 2009 8:11pm
toad

Um, given the dick comparisons, just have to go here to the biggest of them all: Whale Oil Beamer Lingerer…
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July 13, 2009 8:12pm
philu

yeah hurf..like my 6 ft+super-fit 14 yr old son..

..a meat-free product..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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