General Debate 11 July 2009

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reid

Most but not all people appear to have missed the significance of Obama’s nomination of the Fed as the market watchdog. What else would you expect with Obama’s exec being populated with more Wall-streeters than any other in history? Shame isn’t it that the Senate isn’t doing its job. I thought it was govt for the people… Apparently not.

Freedom Watch with Judge Andrew Napolitano welcomes the following guests to the show today… and you KNOW they’ll be talking about yesterday’s Senate blockage of S. 604 to Audit the Federal Reserve:
Rep Ron Paul
Senator Jim DeMint
Peter Schiff
David Ritgers – CATO
Dr Rand Paul
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July 11, 2009 11:13am
Glutaemus Maximus

And meanwhile in the UK.

Gordon Brown, the least popular PM ever, invents a new statistical methodology.

He seems a bit cross when Challenged as well.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gi7qqvRlY0

The Prime Mentalist, Wacko Jocko, and Saviour of the World.
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July 11, 2009 11:15am
Redbaiter

Breaking news- Sarah Palin killed Michael Jackson.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/07/10/reporter-we-took-sides-straight-simple-against-palin
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July 11, 2009 11:20am
Cerium

Both over-rated and outdated?
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July 11, 2009 11:29am
Don the Kiwi

Shit its cold.

What’s happened to Global Warming?? Please come back I wanna be warm.
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July 11, 2009 11:35am
Glutaemus Maximus

This clip is probably the most erudite summation of yet another failed Socialist Experiment.

Yes, the 12 years of drudgery, and a deluge of new laws. Labour MP expenses scandals, and the faggot that is in control is

wearing his personality disorder with Gay pride.

Brown may be PM, but Mandy is running the Country at the moment. Resigned in disgrace twice. Re-incarnated in the EU as Trade

Commisioner, elevated to the Lords. The Prince of Darkness casts his shadow over the truth.

Anyway, here is the clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9TVlzdEsc
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July 11, 2009 11:39am
kiwipolemicist

Have you Bloglanders every thought about the fact that “democracy” is another word for “mob rule”?

Have you ever thought about the fact that democracy legalises theft by the majority (the mob that rules)?

When you understand those two things and figure out which mob is ruling NZ you’ll know why this country is FUBAR.

http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/the-problem-with-democracy-part-one/

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Speaking of FUBAR, Hamilton City Council has withdrawn the fines made for sitting on roofs and in the process exposed more layers of nanny-statism. The situation is worse than it first appeared.

http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/07/11/update-sitting-on-your-roof-is-illegal/
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July 11, 2009 11:45am
reid

When you understand those two things and figure out which mob is ruling NZ you’ll know why this country is FUBAR.

Well as you say in your link, kp, you’re a fan of an absolute monarchy and another way of saying that is Socrates’ words: “The best form of govt is a benevolent dictatorship.”

The problem with this is Orwell’s observation: “All power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

So at least a GENUINE democracy offers protection from that. Emphasis on the GENUINE. Our issue today is two-fold: firstly, a media that ignores its role as the watchdog and never even refers to critical elements of governance and facets of world events; and secondly, our education system that in the vast majority of cases turns out zombie-like fools focused solely on immediate self-gratification.

Personally I sense a world-wide awakening thanks largely to the free exchange of information over the internet. It’s terribly slow going, but it’s happening.
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July 11, 2009 12:03pm
vibenna

Jeez, kiwipolemicist, what a link whore! Oh well, then. I’m arguing that the Chinese arrest of a Rio Tinto executive shows the same errors in economic thinking that Krushchev made in the 1960s.

http://vibenna.wordpress.com/2009/07/11/china-bangs-its-s-hu/
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July 11, 2009 12:05pm
Chris_C

Glutaemus Maximus

“This clip is probably the most erudite summation of yet another failed Socialist Experiment.

Yes, the 12 years of drudgery, and a deluge of new laws. Labour MP expenses scandals, and the faggot that is in control is

wearing his personality disorder with Gay pride.”

You’re talking about New Labour. They’re about as socialist as you are observant. Come back when you can tell the difference. By the way, Hannan is a Conservative MEP. Although I’m not a Labour supporter, I do know that the Tory plan was to sit there with their thumbs up their arses, tickling their prostates.

Which was the plan during the last recession.
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July 11, 2009 12:10pm
Cerium

That’s on the button reid. But more than the media just ignoring it’s role as a watchdog, they seem to see themselves as both the news and the newsmakers. It’s a pity they don’t give us decent news coverage. I’m going to drop something in a separate post, I hope it isn’t too big.

And yes, the net may work but we have to learn it wisely and well.
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July 11, 2009 12:10pm
Cerium

Tellying the news

Breaking news – half an hour before we came on air we received a press release. As soon as we read it and find out why it was timed just right we will give you an update.

In a new development, we are crossing live to Name-that-means-nothing. Over to you Name-that-means-nothing.
Thank you Who-cares-which-talking-head-you-are. We thought we would show you some actual news on this segment, but here is someone walking past, we will talk to them.
What do you think about what happened?
Not much really, I was just minding my own business but then I thought hey, here’s a chance to be on telly, and the camera never finds me in when I’m in a sports crowd.
Ok. Go home and watch. We need the ratings.
This has been a proper item and not one of those teasers where we try and suck you into sitting through another umpteen commercials before we say anything worthwhile. But it can’t really have been all that important because they didn’t send out someone from the studio for a different camera angle and to say what their name was as well.
Back to you Who-cares-which-talking-head-you-are.
Thank you Name-that-means-nothing. Here’s a little in-joke, with an aloof snigger for effect.

You’ll need to watch this next item carefully because it will be hard to tell what is new footage and what we are showing from our archive. If any viewers have captured anything on your camera please send it in, it means we can save money and use our budget on flashing up our studio again. Isn’t make-up and botox getting expensive these days.

This one will be obvious. Even though we practiced filming the walking in and sitting down and pretending to read something before they answer our questions thing so it would look like something they did all the time, we all know the cameraman didn’t just manage to sneak in and be ready for when they came back from morning tea – and wasn’t noticed.

To business news, I’ll start with the question we pre-planned to make me look like I know all about what is going on, then we can show the charts that look important even though nothing much significant happened today. If it was important we would have told you earlier. This is about business, remember, so don’t forget who our sponsor is. The dollar moved slightly in various directions against different currencies that were also fluctuating. I guess a few share prices did change a bit, surely that is worth making something of. Telecom plummeted a cent. If you are actually interested in this stuff maybe you should try nzx.com.

In celebrity news (we celebrities always wish it will be us in the spotlight), a strange turn of events, we don’t have any items on hand about Michael Jackson, Elvis, Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, or that jazz punk from England, maybe she is away in rehab again. There’s not even anything on that Lindsay someone who we like to gossip about at the moment? Ah well, we’ll have another chat and joke amongst ourselves. And remind you of our names again. We may look much the same as the other lot and show you the same things but we have different names.

There was some weather happening. And today is the fashion one, the joky bloke will be back tomorrow. If it’s winter there will be some snow somewhere (if there was any on a road we will have shown it earlier in the news), if it’s summer there will at least be sun above the clouds, and if it’s Auckland there’s sure to be a shower. As we zoom up and down the country you will drift off and miss your town (unless you’re in the Chathams) but too bad, especially if you won the temperature competition.

In other news, the irony wasn’t noticed that as the news delivery market continues to get more and more competitive there is less and less substance.
Is this line a joke or is it serious?
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July 11, 2009 12:13pm
thedavincimode

Yes Reid; there is hope in the internet. And fortunately we have Magpie Phil showing us all his shiny bits, which will no doubt speed up the process.

Why, he’s no doubt hard at right now. Or will he be taking a well-earned rest over the weekend?
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July 11, 2009 12:15pm
kiwipolemicist

reid:

I’m not a fan of absolute monarchy. I said that there are convincing arguments which say that it’s a lesser evil than democracy.
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July 11, 2009 12:16pm
reid

Cerium:

You realise TV channels will be appalled? “Who-cares-which-talking-head-you-are.”

Apparently, we “invite them into our living rooms every single night.” That’s why they’re so very very expensive.

Don’t tell me, you don’t do that.

Crikey. What are ya? Some kinda revolutionary? Next you’ll be telling us you didn’t buy that toaster because it was advertised on the radio, you bought it because it had the best mix of features and price. You realise this could mean the end of everything?

KP: Thanks for the clarification.
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July 11, 2009 12:30pm
Cerium

reid, this morning I was talking about this with my wife and we couldn’t remember their names. Ok, we did get one surname. Repetition doesn’t always work.
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July 11, 2009 12:33pm
Akaroa

Hey there Cerium! Yours at 1213 was one of the most incisive and accurate ironic take-downs of TV news that I’ve seen in a long time. More strength to your arm! I often wonder – usually when the statutory cuddly animal item hits the screen – why we even sit and watch that stuff?
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July 11, 2009 12:38pm
Inventory2

thedavincimode said “Yes Reid; there is hope in the internet. And fortunately we have Magpie Phil showing us all his shiny bits, which will no doubt speed up the process.

Why, he’s no doubt hard at right now. Or will he be taking a well-earned rest over the weekend?”

Depends on how much dope he scored last night I guess. Then again, benefit hours are only 9 to 5 Monday to Friday aren’t they?
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July 11, 2009 12:38pm
Cerium

The reality is Akaroa, I still often start watching the “news”, through hope or habit, but before that first commercial break I am usually on the net checking what the stories are really about, or I have seen it all before over the previous day or two. And they have lost me, again. I guess I’m not their target market.
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July 11, 2009 12:47pm
bharmer

Orwell’s observation: “All power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
Pedantic point: That’s not Orwell, that’s Lord Acton.
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July 11, 2009 12:50pm
reid

Some may have noticed Google is celebrating Tesla’s birthday.

Here’s a link for those interested in his work.

Cheers bharmer.
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July 11, 2009 12:55pm
Rachael Rich

The One has been caught oggling a shapely butt.

Now the media are all over themselves releasing the video to try and prove that he isn’t a typical bloke that enjoys a look now and then.

Imagine if it was George W. The media would have been all over themselves trying to destroy the video evidence.

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=8049121
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July 11, 2009 1:07pm
kiwipolemicist

reid:

Be very careful how you say “Tesla coil”, especially when talking to your grandmother 🙂
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July 11, 2009 1:08pm
Ross Nixon

Global governance, aim of climate scam
Gore touted the Congressional climate bill, claiming it “will dramatically increase the prospects for success” in combating what he sees as the “crisis” of man-made global warming. “But it is the awareness itself that will drive the change and one of the ways it will drive the change is through global governance and global agreements.” Gore’s call for “global governance” echoes former French President Jacques Chirac’s call in 2000. On November 20, 2000, then French President Chirac said during a speech at The Hague that the UN’s Kyoto Protocol represented “the first component of an authentic global governance.” http://tinyurl.com/m62ls2
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July 11, 2009 1:18pm
Chris_C

Rachael R:

Yes, because that’s how things work in the omnipresent liberal media conspiracy. If you’re mental, that is.
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July 11, 2009 1:19pm
reid

Yes, kp. He was a fascinating figure, IMO, as great as Einstein, certainly far far greater than Edison. Basically his research was tapping into zero-point energy and its called scalar electromagnetics.

The viability of his wireless transmission of electricity was demonstrated numerous times. He used to go to fairs and hold an electric light bulb in his hand and it would light up.

When he died all his papers mysteriously disappeared. Many of his inventions could be weaponised and there are some interesting reports of the Soviets experimenting with his technologies.

There’s a guy called Tom Bearden who’s continued his research. Google “Bearden Tesla” and you get some interesting stuff.
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July 11, 2009 1:26pm
philu

“..Why, he’s no doubt hard at right now..”

totally de-tumescent around here..

..(thanks for asking..tho’..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 11, 2009 1:33pm
philu

oh..you want shiny bits..?

i don’t know if this is shiny..

..but it’ll sure wither yer ‘green shoots’..

..eh..?

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/robert-reichwhen-will-the-recovery-beginnever/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 11, 2009 1:36pm
philu

hang on..!..crack-cocaine is ‘shiny’/sparkly..eh..?

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/the-drug-war-in-six-acts/

“….How right-wing posses started the crack trade..

.. and other tales that will blow your mind..”

(that should keep you in ‘shiny bits’ for a while..eh..?..)

..and there’s about twenty-five more ‘shiny bits’….

..where that/those came from..

eh..?..

so help yourself there .. inventory 2..

btw..whatever happened to inventory 1..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 11, 2009 1:42pm
Inventory2

hang on..!..

phil(whoar.co.nz)’s..

talking to himself..

again..!..

eh..?..
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July 11, 2009 1:46pm
MT_Tinman

# kiwipolemicist (342) Vote: Add rating 2 Subtract rating 1 Says:
July 11th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

reid:

I’m not a fan of absolute monarchy. I said that there are convincing arguments which say that it’s a lesser evil than democracy.

The only part I question is the “monarchy” bit.

Push for benign dictatorship – that makes the most sense.

It’s also what NZers vote in damned near every three years.
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July 11, 2009 1:52pm
Rachael Rich

And on his 4th comment, Chris C starts on the abuse. Typical!

The liberal media conspiracy would not exist if the examples disproving the conspiracy aspect weren’t so ubiquitous.
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July 11, 2009 1:55pm
Kris K

kiwipolemicist 12:16 pm,
“I’m not a fan of absolute monarchy. I said that there are convincing arguments which say that it’s a lesser evil than democracy.”

I both agree and disagree with your statement:
Absolute monarchy ONLY trumps democracy when the One who weilds absolute power, and who is also the Author of that power, is the one on the throne.

When His antithesis is on the throne then, indeed, we will observe ‘absolute corruption’.
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July 11, 2009 2:02pm
kiwipolemicist

Kris K:

If you mean what I think you mean then I agree with you 🙂
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July 11, 2009 2:17pm
Chris_C

Rachael R:

“And on his 4th comment, Chris C starts on the abuse. Typical!

The liberal media conspiracy would not exist if the examples disproving the conspiracy aspect weren’t so ubiquitous.”

Name one. Name one concrete, empirical example that proves that media outlets contain a particular liberal bias. Name one study that proves you’re right in reality, and not just in your head. Never mind the fact that the link you’ve provided is from ABC, owned by Disney – an organisation which hardly displays a particular liberal slant in its output. Just give me one study, that isn’t from a think-tank with a particular bias (ie. Heritage, PNAC, RAND) or which isn’t based on the fundamentally flawed studies by Groseclose and Milo.

Liberal bias is a simplistic, reductionist view that shows a lack of willingness to investigate beyond the idea that the liberal bias exists in the first instance and guides news stories. It’s a fundamentally flawed view, as it assumes that the slant of news outlets are based on political leanings of a group of individuals, and aren’t based on economic factors, other social factors, geographical factors, etc.

Also, that wasn’t an insult. If I didn’t think it’d reduce the cogency of the argument here, I’d REALLY insult you.
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July 11, 2009 2:19pm
Bruce Hamilton

Not sure if you’ve seen this, but just to dilute today’s vitriol a little…
This video helps explain why USA leads the world in national pride. Perhaps we should consider whether we would do the same?
http://crusader-rabbit.blogspot.com/2009/07/honor-fallen-soldierreal-americans.html
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July 11, 2009 2:30pm
kiwipolemicist

MT_Tinman:

The only part I question is the “monarchy” bit.

Push for benign dictatorship – that makes the most sense.

It’s also what NZers vote in damned near every three years.

What exactly is benign about about the NZ dictatorship? IMHO it’s 100% malignant.

If you read the article by Hoppe that I quote in my post you’ll see that he gives convincing arguments for the position that an absolute monarchy is far closer to a benign dictatorship than democracy is. In other words, absolute monarchy is a lesser evil than democracy.

As I said in my post, there is no good or benign system of governance. I’m only hoping to find the least evil of them, and so far I haven’t found anything better than absolute monarchy. I still think that an absolute monarchy is immoral and illegitimate, but if I’d be better off with that than I would with democracy then I’d take it.
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July 11, 2009 2:31pm
Cerium

The media is just more liberal than those who complain about how liberal it is. Conspiracy? The media owners are closet communists I suppose.
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July 11, 2009 2:48pm
Chuck Bird

This is a very good article by Melanie Phillips. It would be great for the country if a political party supported marriage and the traditional family.

July 6, 2009
The truth that dare not speak its name

Daily Mail, 6 July 2009

The Tories are shortly to unveil a far-reaching policy to put marriage at the heart of family life.

A high-powered team of lawyers commissioned by Iain Duncan Smith’s Centre for Social Justice is to issue a report later this month which is expected to shape Conservative policy on the family.

It is said to recommend a sweeping overhaul of the law to strengthen marriage, including moves to make divorce more difficult and promote marriage preparation classes and ‘family relationship centres’, as well as tax breaks for married couples.

Condemning the modern mantra that marriage is merely a ‘lifestyle choice’, the report is expected to say that there is overwhelming evidence that marriage brings many benefits to couples, children, the wider family and the nation as a whole.

Click onlink for the rest of the article

http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=673
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July 11, 2009 3:16pm
Hurf Durf

Ah, the worn out Libtard argument that because news organisations are run by big bad evil korporats, they can’t be biased towards the left.

I’ll leave you for a few hours to actually think about that and stew in your unmitigated failure.
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July 11, 2009 3:31pm
philu

good slam-dunk !..there..chris c.

a lot of what passes for political discourse..in these hallowed halls..

..is just those simplistic slogans..

..indicating a depth of thought with the dimensions of a petrie-dish..

..(oops..!..that’s right..!..i’m on an ad hominem-free month..

..but the comment is kinda generalist/most-encompassing..eh..?

..so maybe it gets through..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 11, 2009 3:35pm
Hurf Durf

Don the Kiwi @ 11:35 am:

The G8 and Keisha Castle-Hughes stopped it.
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July 11, 2009 3:35pm
Redbaiter

“Name one. Name one concrete, empirical example that proves that media outlets contain a particular liberal bias. ”

If you need them pointed out to you, then you obviously know fuck all on the subject. In fact, I know from the crap you customarily write here, you know fuck all about anything.

You’re a typical head in sand detached from reality Progressive nutbar, and I so wish you people would just fuck off with your constant stream of ignorance, bigotry and lies, all aimed at increasing your power base.

Apart from the admissions of the media themselves concerning their bias (one of which I referenced above), there are scores of independent reports confirming left media bias. Hundreds of books. Hundreds of pundits and commentators who claim the bias is real. Yet the left keep endlessly and repetitively pushing the same old Stalinist lie, that it doesn’t exist.

Some examples-

Just like so many reports before it, a joint survey by the Project for Excellence in Journalism and Harvard University’s Joan Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics and Public Policy — hardly a bastion of conservative orthodoxy — found that in covering the current presidential race, the media are sympathetic to Democrats and hostile to Republicans.

Reviewing 154 stories on evening network newscasts over the course of 109 weeknights, the survey found that Democrats were presented in a positive light more than twice as often as they were portrayed as negative. Positive tones for Republicans were detected in less than a fifth of stories while a negative tone was twice as common.

The anti-GOP attitude also lives on National Public Radio’s “Morning Edition.” There, Democrats were approvingly covered more than a third as often as Republicans. Negative coverage of Democrats was a negligible 5.9%. It seemed to be reserved for Republicans, who were subject to one-fifth of the program’s disparaging reports.

Another example-

Since 1962, there have been 11 surveys of the media that sought the political views of hundreds of journalists. In 1971, they were 53 percent liberal, 17 percent conservative. In a 1976 survey of the Washington press corps, it was 59 percent liberal, 18 percent conservative. A 1985 poll of 3,200 reporters found them to be self-identified as 55 percent liberal, 17 percent conservative. In 1996, another survey of Washington journalists pegged the breakdown as 61 percent liberal, 9 percent conservative. Now, the new study by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press found the national media to be 34 percent liberal and 7 percent conservative.

Over 40-plus years, the only thing that’s changed in the media’s politics is that many national journalists have now cleverly decided to call themselves moderates. But their actual views haven’t changed, the Pew survey showed. Their political beliefs are close to those of self-identified liberals and nowhere near those of conservatives. And the proportion of liberals to conservatives in the press, either 3-to-1 or 4-to-1, has stayed the same. That liberals are dominant is now beyond dispute.

Another example-

The independent media analyst S. Robert Lichter looked at 10 major surveys on the political beliefs and voting patterns of mainstream print and broadcast journalists from 1962 to 1996. As Lichter writes, “the pattern of results is compelling.” The percentage of journalists who were classified as “liberals” were, survey to survey: 57, 53, 59, 42, 54, 50, 32, 55, 22 and 61. The percentage classified as “conservative,” survey by survey: 28, 17, 18, 19, 17, 21, 12, 17, 5 and 9. Voting patterns and findings on specific issues (for instance, regarding abortion, gun control or taxes) have consistently mirrored these general attitudes.

Surveys since have shown no overall change in this dynamic. A 1996 survey of 1,037 reporters at 61 newspapers found 61 percent self-identified as “Democrat or liberal“ or “lean to Democrat or liberal,” vs. only 15 percent Republican or leaning Republican. A 2001 survey of 301 “media professionals” by Princeton Survey Research Associates found 25 percent self-identified as “liberal,” 59 percent as “moderate,” and only 6 percent as “conservative.”

Another example-

In 1964, 1968, 1972 and 1976, at least four-fifths of the media elite voted Democratic, according to a survey conducted by social scientists S. Robert Lichter and Stanley Rothman for their book, The Media Elite. Even George McGovern, the Democrats’ 1972 presidential nominee and one of the most liberal candidates to ever seek the White House, won 81% of journalists’ votes.

Another example-

When U.S. News & World Report’s Kenneth Walsh polled his fellow White House reporters about their votes in the five presidential elections from 1976 to 1992, he found 86% of the votes went to Democratic candidates vs. only 12% for Republicans. As Walsh relayed in his 1996 book, Feeding the Beast, none of the reporters he questioned voted for Ronald Reagan in 1984, the year Reagan won a 49-state landslide over Democrat Walter Mondale.

Another example-

Bill Clinton was the overwhelming choice of nearly 90% of Washington bureau chiefs and congressional correspondents surveyed by the Freedom Forum after the 1992 presidential election. As for Newt Gingrich’s 1994 Contract with America, most of these same journalists (59%) dismissed it as a campaign ploy; only three percent believed the Contract was “a serious campaign reform proposal.”

Another example-

In 1996, the American Society of Newspaper Editors surveyed more than 1,000 reporters at newspapers across the country. A wide majority (61%) identified themselves as “Democrat or liberal” or leaning in that direction, while barely one in six (15%) used “Republican or conservative” to describe their views. That closely matched a 1985 Los Angeles Times survey of 2,700 journalists, which found three times as many self-identified liberals as conservatives (55% to 17%) in U.S. newsrooms.

Another example-

The 1985 L. A. Times survey also showed that most reporters hold doctrinaire liberal views on most major political, social and economic issues. Huge majorities said they were for legalized abortion (82%), against increased defense spending (80%), in favor of more gun control (78%), and, during those tense days of the Cold War, favored a so-called “nuclear freeze” which would ban all future nuclear missile deployments (84%).

Final example-

UCLA, University of Missouri, Stanford University, and the University of Chicago study that say among other things-

Our results show a strong liberal bias. All of the news outlets except Fox News’ Special Report and the Washington Times received a score to the left of the average member of Congress.

http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/polisci/faculty/groseclose/Media.Bias.8.htm

According to you, there’s not one piece of evidence. I submit you’re an ignorant fool who should shut the fuck up on issues you obviously have no idea about.
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July 11, 2009 3:43pm
philu

so..red..

..you’d be including the vigorous questioning of the dogs of war..by the/that ‘liberal/stalinst’-media..?

..for all those years..?

…not to mention the ‘greed is good!’mantras..?

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 11, 2009 3:49pm
Rachael Rich

Thanks Red, I was just about to write all of that 🙂

Chris is on a loosing streak if the drug addled one is agreeing with him!
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July 11, 2009 3:51pm
philu

“..Fox News..”

c’mon reddy..!..yr rattling yr dags there..!..eh..?

btw reddy..i’ve got a foxnews tampa fl umbrella..

..(eat yr heart out..!..eh..?)

..i use it in irony..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 11, 2009 3:53pm
Kris K

Chuck Bird 3:16 pm,
Thanks for the link. What a breath of fresh air this woman is.
Indeed, if marriage goes, the society topples.
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July 11, 2009 3:59pm
Cerium

The media should only report on what is there. You can’t expect them to make things up to cover the deficiencies in the republican stories.

Now with my tongue out of my left cheek, is there any studies for NZ?
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July 11, 2009 4:07pm
Hurf Durf

Speaking of media bia, delicious Obamedia spin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wTqNqNL548

“Leave Hussein alone!!!!”
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July 11, 2009 4:10pm
Rachael Rich

Excellent Hurf! Looks to me that Sarkozy is checking to see what Obama was staring at.
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July 11, 2009 4:17pm
Banana Llama

I like Tesla.

I like what he said about splitting the world in two like an apple, i notice the 20th century runs off his inventions and am reminded that despite the slack jawed guffaws from the media at the time …. he did not split the world in two.

Thanks Tesla!
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July 11, 2009 4:29pm
Cerium

I’m all for marriage.

If it is going to be promoted (UK) and if couples are going to get assistance and preferential tax I presume they will make it easy for any couple to get married.
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July 11, 2009 4:32pm
backster

KIWIP……..so far I haven’t found anything better than absolute monarchy.

Did you include the Kingdom of Tonga in your study of absolute monarchies.?

CHRIS:::Didn’t you read the ChCh University analysis of the last media reports of the last NZ election which found an overwhelming bias towards Liabour in coverage.
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July 11, 2009 4:35pm
Chris_C

Redbaiter

“You’re a typical head in sand detached from reality Progressive nutbar…”

You don’t know what I am. Really. Don’t try and suggest you do.

And you just quoted mostly from the extremely flawed Groseclose and Milyo study, A Measure of Media Bias. You copied and pasted from a study that’s been widely discredited for its attempted application of quantitative methodology to a subject that can’t accurately be quantified, and also for its exclusion of opinion and editorials.

You see, I read the study – I read it while I was an undergraduate, not long after the study came out. I’m shocked you just literally went through and copied and pasted shit from Google Answers and the first hits you received.

It just goes to show what my supervisors used to say: information is good, but it doesn’t automatically equal knowledge.

So Rachael R, if you were about to write all that, then you either have an entire study lined up in your head written by two people and released five years ago and it’s a pure coincidence, or you’re a lying dipshit who didn’t read the study properly either.

I think you’re a lying dipshit who didn’t read the study.
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July 11, 2009 5:07pm
Cerium

No, he can’t have, Red doesn’t like cut and paste jobs (he uses different language but that’s basically what he says.
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July 11, 2009 5:10pm
Chris_C

Ohhhh. He’s the SOURCE of all that.

Forgive me. I had no idea he was actually UCLA’s web server.
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July 11, 2009 5:13pm
Hurf Durf

LALALALALALALA I’M NOT LISTENING LALALALALALALALALALALA

/chris_c
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July 11, 2009 5:13pm
Cerium

“Didn’t you read the ChCh University analysis of the last media reports of the last NZ election which found an overwhelming bias towards Liabour in coverage.”

Really? I thought the media had demonstratively written off Labour’s chances long before the election, along with the electorate. And the they lost ground. If coverage was biased in their favour the voters must have ignored it.
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July 11, 2009 5:17pm
Rachael Rich

For fuck sake Chris, you missed the smiley face did ya!

Did I say I read it? Nope. I have absolutely no interest in researching nor debating liberal bias with you or anyone else. Got better thiings to do.

Who the hell in Immigration let you in. I don’t think liberal academics are on the skills shortage list in this socialist utopia.
In 6 comments you have shown you are a complete humourless arse.

Loosen up a bit mate and get a sense of humour.

So I am a lying dipshit mental case. Know me before you jugde me 🙂 <- Smily face Chris in case you miss it.
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July 11, 2009 5:24pm
Chris_C

No interest in researching or debating it, but you certainly don’t let that stop you spunking out half-formed opinions on the matter.
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July 11, 2009 5:32pm
Redbaiter

“And you just quoted mostly from the extremely flawed Groseclose and Milyo study, A Measure of Media Bias.”

Merely that braindead leftists (like you) proclaim the study to be flawed is no proof that it is. To the contrary really. You’ve proven yourself an idiot on here many a time. For such a fool to attack the UCLA study is more likely to be proof that its findings are completely correct than anything.

..and it is not “mostly from the G & M study” you pathetic leftist fuckbrain. Two sentences is all. Go way. You’re just a desperate ignorant commie fruit cake. I dunno why I bother with such miserable peabrains.
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July 11, 2009 5:32pm
Chris_C

Because you’re actually a no-brained sock-wanker with fuck all to do except load miserable, uninformed opinion out on the web?
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July 11, 2009 5:34pm
big bruv

Yep..when the abuse starts you know that the pinko’s are cornered.

Don’t waste time on this idiot Redbaiter, anybody who attempts to argue that there is no liberal bias in the media is clearly mad.
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July 11, 2009 5:41pm
Angus

“Don’t waste time on this idiot Redbaiter”

Yep. Take a look at Chris_C’s blog. Although one might be advised to find an open sewer pipe to stand under first, and wallow in the sludge for a while. [Just to get in the mood]
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July 11, 2009 5:45pm
Rachael Rich

Yes, thats all it was Chris. An opinion. And people who don’t have the same opinion as you are mental, lying sock wankers.
Nice.

I didn’t notice The New York Times, MSNBC and ABC doing in depth coverage of the truth about the famous so called plastic turkey. Obama just has to look at tasty arse and the media are all covering his for him.

I am sorry I have an opinion. Must tootle off now and take my Prozac.
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July 11, 2009 5:48pm
Hurf Durf

Redbaiter, the Groseclose and Milyo study is extremely flawed because Media Matters said it was.
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July 11, 2009 5:48pm
big bruv

Angus

I did take a look, this little gem made me laugh out loud;

“Chris Cherry is a UK-born academic and writer, currently in New Zealand. A talented and varied writer”

A ‘talented and varied writer” who uses such eloquent phrases such as “a no-brained sock-wanker with fuck all to do”
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July 11, 2009 5:49pm
Chris_C

I find it amazing you’re so fucking stupid, naive and closed-minded that you actually think I’m liberal. You’ve got no evidence to suggest so, except perhaps that I think differently from you on the issue of the media – given that I’ve been researching it for five years or so, I might, just might have a completely different opinion while still having the same ideological standpoint as you.

What a completely and utterly bovine idiot you are. Get off your fucking tribal horse, take your head out of the sand and wake up to the fact that people can actually have differing opinions without being the extreme opposite to the half-formed, wholly-opinionated bollocks your spongiform cabbage of a brain has made your political standpoint.
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July 11, 2009 5:50pm
Redbaiter

Right Angus, and a clear admission there of how little self respect he has and what he really is, from his own hand:

“because if there’s one thing he is above all else, it’s a whore.”

and who is so damned thick he cannot even read what is written. “All from the one study”. Pffft… What a fucken meat head. How could one so thick appoint himself the judge of anyone else??
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July 11, 2009 5:51pm
Angus

And a humble man too !
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July 11, 2009 5:52pm
thedavincimode

Rachael R

Now look what you’ve done.

“Name one. Name one concrete, empirical example that proves that media outlets contain a particular liberal bias. Name one study [rant drivel rant] isn’t from a think-tank [THINK??] with a particular bias … which isn’t based on the fundamentally flawed [ooh err] studies by Groseclose [Glucose?? sp??] and Milo [top chap who is right into the netball].

Liberal bias is a simplistic, reductionist [wot??] view that shows a lack of willingness to [blah blah blah] investigate beyond the idea that the liberal bias exists [blah blah blah]. It’s a fundamentally flawed [zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz] … political leanings … economic factors, other social factors, geographical factors, etc [whatever the fuck etc etc].

Also, that wasn’t an insult. If I didn’t think it’d reduce the cogency [ooh err, COGENCY!!] of the argument here, I’d REALLY insult you [yikes!].”

So there you go Rachael. You’ve gone and unleashed another heavy hitting intellectual. Your problem Rachael, being a bit stupid and all and not being an intellectuallike C_C, is that you don’t understand that you’re unable to form your own opinions about what you read and hear. You actually need a STUDY to enable you to form an opinion; and CERTAINLY NOT a study conducted by the silly Messrs Glucose and Milo.

But … just a minute … the pompous narcissitic pretention at intellectualism … the vaccuous drivel … the gobsmacking fuckwitedness of it all … aaaaahhhhh … could it be that MNI Jerk aka Borker has been reborn as … Chris_C?
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July 11, 2009 5:52pm
big bruv

Just another POM who will do anything for their country……apart from live in it.
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July 11, 2009 5:54pm
Chris_C

redbaiter: “and who is so damned thick he cannot even read what is written. “All from the one study”. Pffft… What a fucken meat head. How could one so thick appoint himself the judge of anyone else??”

Don’t forget I pointed out you copied and pasted from Google Answers. I’ll redraft that comment later for you, seeing as you’re so insistent.

Oh, wait, no I won’t.
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July 11, 2009 5:59pm
Chris_C

By the way, I’m here primarily for my partner – not because I don’t like my country. I do, in fact, love my country, and I miss it sorely. I don’t dislike New Zealand, but like you guys, I prefer the country where I was born and raised.

I miss the opportunity to participate in my country’s politics, I miss the access to information I don’t have in New Zealand by merit of its isolation, and I miss my friends. I’ll go back when my partner’s ready to leave New Zealand, or I’ll stay when I feel like I have a home here, or something to contribute outside of my discipline and authoring – which, when all is said and done, is all I have in this country.

Just saying, like. Outside of calling you all fuckwits. 😉
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July 11, 2009 6:08pm
Redbaiter

“I pointed out you copied and pasted from Google Answers”

You’re a stupid prick without two brain cells to rub together. So typically full of false and baseless allegations. I sourced all of that from my own data base. Gawd you’re so thick you’re embarrassing.

And it does not matter where the hell I got it from anyway. What you need to deal with is the incorrectness of your false claim that there was not one independent study out there that supported the view that there is a liberal bias in the media.

Naah, don’t deal with it. The other guys are right. You’re just a complete time wasting leftist fuckwit, full of the usual ignorance bluster and false allegations. Fuck off.
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July 11, 2009 6:12pm
kiwipolemicist

backster:

KIWIP……..so far I haven’t found anything better than absolute monarchy.

Did you include the Kingdom of Tonga in your study of absolute monarchies.?

Yes, and in my study of democracies I included Germany, which imprisons or fines parents who homeschool their children, as well as taking the children into state custody.

http://www.hslda.org/hs/international/Germany/200808010.asp
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July 11, 2009 6:14pm
Chris_C

And you’re a cat’s cunt. Please stop hurting me by calling me stupid! After all, I’m so fragile about my intelligence and have no achievements at all to disprove you!

Information does not equal knowledge. They are two different things.

I know about that study, and I know about the validity of the studies into media bias. I didn’t say supported the view – your own mediocre ramblings support the view, but they’re not valid. Most studies have fundamental flaws, because the information is generally unqualified, or designed to support a certain point of view to the exclusion of avenues of information, or theoretical models that were completely pointless because they don’t accurately represent factors outside of their remit. Groseclose and Milyo was supposed to be the fundamental answer, but it was a huge disappointment.

Again, information does not equal knowledge. You threw information out there by going onto the internet and getting it without understanding fully the context those studies were placed in, or taking into account the sources of the study, etc.

So I’m sorry, but I did answer it. It’s just that you didn’t understand it.
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July 11, 2009 6:18pm
Redbaiter

Hey Bruv, do you know why Pita Sharples hates aspirin??

Because its white and it works.
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July 11, 2009 6:20pm
Redbaiter

So many words to say nothing of any consequence whatsoever. So typically leftist.
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July 11, 2009 6:22pm
Chris_C

You’re funny.

I like you.

If I wasn’t so sure you’d try and rape me, I’d ask if you wanted to go for a drink sometime.
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July 11, 2009 6:23pm
kiwipolemicist

Redbaiter at 6:20: 😆
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July 11, 2009 6:31pm
philu

reddy..!

..have you managed to find one of yr past-posts..

..that isn’t an exercise in personal abuse..?

..and a real crack-up .. that you should say this..

“..So many words to say nothing of any consequence whatsoever..”

eh..?

that’s the story of your kiwiblog life..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 11, 2009 6:36pm
Cerium

Red: “So many words to say nothing of any consequence whatsoever. So typical…”???
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July 11, 2009 6:38pm
thedavincimode

“… or I’ll stay when I feel like I have a home here, or something to contribute outside of my discipline and authoring – which, when all is said and done, is all I have in this country”

Oh good grief. Rachael, this is all your fault.

And BTW, probably shouldn’t have been having a quite ale when I read that bombastic drivel. Seems to have made a bit of a mess of the screen. God knows what its done to the keyboard.
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July 11, 2009 6:40pm
thedavincimode

Mr ‘baiter, if he does ask you out, make sure you take your banjoe.
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July 11, 2009 6:44pm
Rachael Rich

I am sorry everyone. All I did at 1:07pm was state a few facts. I did not mention media bias. Only slightly hinted at it.

Haven’t laughed quite so much in ages. Thanks Chris 🙂 🙂

I might start my own Blog – Laughing at Lefties!!!
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July 11, 2009 6:47pm
Rachael Rich

Laughing at Lefties (from Iain Hall):

A leftie was opening the door of his Prius when a car came along and hit the door, ripping it off completely. When the police arrived at the scene, the leftie complained bitterly about the damage to his car.

“Officer, look what they’ve done to my Prius!”

“You lefties are so materialistic, it’s ridiculous” retorted the officer. “You’re so worried about your stupid Prius, you didn’t even notice that your left arm was ripped off.”

“Oh, my God!” screamed the leftie, noticing the bloody stump where his arm used to be. “My Latte!”
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July 11, 2009 6:53pm
philu

rachel..you laugh very loud..to punctuate your ‘jokes’..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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July 11, 2009 7:09pm
MT_Tinman

kiwipolemicist the difference between dictatorship and monarchy is that monarchy has almost always a family based succession where dictatorship has (again almost always) a strength based succession.

The “benign” is personal preference.
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July 11, 2009 7:21pm
mattyroo

thedavincimode gets the comment of the week with:

“Mr ‘baiter, if he does ask you out, make sure you take your banjoe.”
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July 11, 2009 7:43pm
kiwipolemicist

MT_Tinman:

the difference between dictatorship and monarchy is that monarchy has almost always a family based succession where dictatorship has (again almost always) a strength based succession.

Absolute monarchy is dictatorship, but I know what you mean.

In my post I quoted Hoppe, and what he says about democratic caretakers equally applies to thug-type dictators (just think of Mugabe/Hitler and inflation as you read this):

As the owner of the capital stock on “his” territory, the king will be comparatively future-oriented. In order to preserve or enhance the value of his property, he will exploit only moderately and calculatingly. In contrast, a temporary and interchangeable democratic caretaker does not own the country, but as long as he is in office he is permitted to use it to his advantage. He owns its current use but not its capital stock. This does not eliminate exploitation. Instead, it makes exploitation shortsighted (present-oriented) and uncalculated, i.e., carried out without regard for the value of the capital stock.

Therefore an absolute monarchy should be closer to benign than both a democracy and a thug-type dictatorship. As I point out in my post, democracy is mob rule and therefore it’s not dissimilar to a thug-type dictatorship.

http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/the-problem-with-democracy-part-one/
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July 11, 2009 10:53pm
WebWrat

Chris_C (14) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 12 Says:
July 11th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

“….. given that I’ve been researching it for five years or so, I ……..”

I think you might have totally wasted your time Chris.
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July 12, 2009 12:20am
Glutaemus Maximus

Economic Suicide has been contemplated by the G8 + 12.

This is a must read, and the Aussie perspective is fascinating.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5804831/Climate-change-The-sun-and-the-oceans-do-not-lie.html
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July 12, 2009 9:20am
Owen McShane

More pedantic point:

Action actually said:

Power TENDS TO CORRUPT and absolute power ,,,, etc
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