General Debate 8 June 2009

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MyNameIsJack

Boy, it hasn’t taken long for the National Socialist to implode. How long have they got left?

Key dithers and fusses about a jobs “summit” that tunrs out to be nothing more than a picnic lunch, with not a shard of sandwich leftover for displaced workers.

He twitters about a cycleway as the grand salvation, but not a sod has been turned, not a plot bought, not a wheel rolled.

Scandal and outrage in the ranks as a minister proves himself rank at his approaches to women.

Key annoints Banks as mayor of the new auckland ‘super city”, thus assurring himself of anger from those who do not support Banks for whatever reason. Great way to alienate folks, jon.

Another minister already under investigation for misuse of his parliamentary perks.

Waste of space, waste of time.
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June 8, 2009 9:17am
Rakaia George

Waste of space, waste of time.

Thanks for signing your post…
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June 8, 2009 9:19am
wreck1080

Another poor little kid killed in Rotorua.

Cops laid assault charges against the mother.

Wait for the post mortem, more serious charges are likely to come.

What is it with maoris (I assume it is a maori child, my bads on the small chance I might be wrong)?
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June 8, 2009 9:47am
wreck1080

And, more on Tauranga. The high spending faluting local council, are about to increase rates by 37% over the next 3 years!!!

Imagine if that happened in Auckland.

Those safety officer salaries are just too high.
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June 8, 2009 9:49am
MyNameIsJack

What is it with maoris (I assume it is a maori child, my bads on the small chance I might be wrong)?

So why not wait until commenting?

Is your prejudice so deeply ingrained that you have to express it at every possible chance?
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June 8, 2009 9:50am
MyNameIsJack

“We don’t know whether it is a child-abuse death at this point. Exactly how the child died, we are not sure about. Until the forensics come back, we cannot join those dots.”
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June 8, 2009 9:51am
Colonel Masters

MNIJ:

So why not wait until commenting?

“The boy’s body has been been released to his family and a tangi will be held in Kaitaia, where his family is from…”

Seems like wreck1080 made a fairly safe bet.
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June 8, 2009 9:57am
wreck1080

MyNameIsJack :

I’m not sure what you mean “every possible chance”.

I bet I’m right though. You are one of those politically correct dickheads who avoid the truth for fear of offending some race/culture/religion.
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June 8, 2009 10:00am
Father Ted

Culturally sensitive police procedure is responsible for many baby killers getting away with it, for example the Kahui case.
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June 8, 2009 10:09am
Mike D

DPF, what happened to your post re: the Bain suppressed evidence?

[DPF: It turns out the evidence is still supressed!!!]
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June 8, 2009 11:19am
bearhunter

[DPF: It turns out the evidence is still supressed!!!]

Ouch. That’s the Herald in a bit of strife then.

[DPF: Sort of but not really. Media were not told of the supression order basically – is a long complicated story but very unlikely anyone will face action]
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June 8, 2009 11:44am
backster

SUNDAY last night was supposed to expose the full extent of the evidence concealed but was suppressed by the might of the New Zealand Justice system.
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June 8, 2009 11:57am
tknorriss

As a matter of natural justice, I think supressed evidence should remain supressed. That is because the evidence has not been tested through cross-examination so could give a misleading impression being put out into the public arena.
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June 8, 2009 12:28pm
Buggerlugs

And I can guarantee you it’s not something Messrs. Bain, Karam and Reed ever want to see the light of day…wonder how long the suppression order lasts for…
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June 8, 2009 12:28pm
Buggerlugs

sorry – found it “until further order of the Court”. which means never unless someone challenges that.
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June 8, 2009 12:32pm
getstaffed

thnorriss – agree re natural justice. is the ‘not testing though cross-examination’ measure any different to the one that should have been applied to suggestion that Robin had had an incestuous relationship?
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June 8, 2009 12:36pm
Alan Wilkinson

Such suppression orders should not be allowed to persist beyond the point at which no further legal action can be taken.

The law of defamation is entirely sufficient to product an individual’s rights beyond that point in time.
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June 8, 2009 12:37pm
Grant Michael McKenna

Apparently Sweden’s “Pirate Party” has won a seat in the EU with about 7% of the vote. This is a disaster- yes, a great leap forward for Pirate representation, but now the Ninja Party will demand seats of their own to ensure representation as a major indigenous cultural identity (I have no idea how many Ninjas are covertly present on this blog, but that’s ninjas for you!).
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June 8, 2009 1:12pm
Rakaia George

Knowing what the suppressed evidence is/was, I find it hard to understand why, considering all the hearsay stuff around Robin and Laniet which the defence were allowed to introduce.
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June 8, 2009 1:38pm
Alan Wilkinson

I imagine it persists only to cover the theoretical possibility of an appeal by the Crown.

As I understand it the decision was made by the Court of Appeal and must be followed by any lower court. I think the distinction between the suppressed evidence and that allowed was that the suppressed evidence had a prejudicial component that was irrelevant to the Crown case whereas the evidence about Robin and Laniet had a direct bearing on motivation in this case.
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June 8, 2009 1:59pm
Rex Widerstrom

Grant Michael McKenna notes:

Apparently Sweden’s “Pirate Party” has won a seat in the EU with about 7% of the vote.

Well I hope they assert their rights. The bloody French insist on everything being bilingual even though them and the Belgians are the only ones who insist on calling a bread roll a baguette.

I look forward to the day when the Presdient of the EU has to call a vote by saying “All those in favour, say ‘Arrrrrr!!'”.
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June 8, 2009 2:58pm
johnbt

It was only last week that Dr Hone Kaa, a professional Maori from way back, announced that he was shocked and surprised that a recent report showed that being Maori and child abuse were connected. FFS.
This is the same Hone Kaa who, back when he was just a church minister, stated that the only way Maori would ever get “ahead ” was for them to take to the streets with guns.

Is the file on the Kahui twins still open ?
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June 8, 2009 3:56pm
racer1

“Seems like wreck1080 made a fairly safe bet.”

Seems like a fairly safe bet that if it makes the papers its Maori crime.
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June 8, 2009 4:35pm
KiwiGreg

“I look forward to the day when the Presdient of the EU has to call a vote by saying “All those in favour, say ‘Arrrrrr!!’”.”

Without question the funniest option on Facebook is to convert your language of choice to “Pirate”. This could become mandatory.

It’s also spelt “Arrrrgggghhhh!”
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June 8, 2009 4:41pm
MT_Tinman

# racer1 (14) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

“Seems like wreck1080 made a fairly safe bet.”

Seems like a fairly safe bet that if it makes the papers its Maori crime.

Damned right again.

The bloody media never even mention all those other, non-Maori child murders do they.

Bloody racist bastards!

Bet they voted for National as well.
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June 8, 2009 4:53pm
backster

T.K. Norris:……….As a matter of natural justice, I think supressed evidence should remain supressed. That is because the evidence has not been tested through cross-examination so could give a misleading impression being put out into the public arena.

Thats why it shouldn’t be suppressed in the first place…Besides what do impressions matter once the case has been determined. The important thing should be that Justice is transparent and that Judges are accountable for their orders.
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June 8, 2009 6:11pm
billyborker

A North Korean court today sentenced two female US journalists to 12 years in a labour camp, state media reported.

The “trial confirmed the grave crime they committed against the Korean nation and their illegal border crossing”, the Korean Central News Agency said without specifying the offence.

It said the court, after a five-day trial, “sentenced each of them to 12 years of reform through labour”.

http://www.theage.com.au/world/north-korea-jails-us-journalists-for-12-years-20090608-c0iw.html

In a show of solidarity, NZ is rounding up and expelling Koreans.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10577205
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