General Debate 7 June 2009

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billyborker

Idiots (killers) like this walk among us and the government aids and abetts them.

It is time to put a stop to this farcilcal non sense.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/parents-guilty-of-manslaughter-over-daughters-eczema-death-20090605-bxvx.html
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June 7, 2009 12:20pm
Patrick Starr

DPF – Any idea who the Labour MP’s are?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10576949
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June 7, 2009 12:24pm
reid

More from that well known lefty, Gerald Celentes, the unfortunately accurate trends forecaster, from that well-known nest of lefty vipers, humanevents.com

Luckily it can’t possibli be true because they’re all lefties, those bastards. I mean, look at this…

Mr. Celente puts part of the blame squarely on the federal government, and especially FED Chairman Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Geithner, and warns us not to believe a word they say “They’re the same people who didn’t see it coming – are now telling us the worst is over, that ‘green shoots are spouting upwards’. But they were wrong before. They’re wrong on this too”.

“When you pump out tons of money manure into this system based on nothing – printing press paper, it’s like giving a patient with a chronic disease a pain killer — it won’t cure the patient.”

That’s not true at all, is it.
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June 7, 2009 12:38pm
Grant Michael McKenna

Never thought of Celentes as a leftist, nor humanevents.com as left either.
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June 7, 2009 1:02pm
jarbury

Anything’s leftist if you’re on the hard right I suppose?

Redbaiter probably thinks George W Bush is a commie.
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June 7, 2009 1:47pm
Shunda barunda

“It is time to put a stop to this farcilcal non sense.”

How Borker? what do YOU propose is done about it?
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June 7, 2009 2:12pm
billyborker

I propose that homeopathy be outlawed as a con trick.

I propose better science education.

I propose critical thinking classes in high schools.

I propose that all claims made by homeopaths be subjected to scrutiny by the commerce commission.
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June 7, 2009 2:22pm
Brian Smaller

Billyborker – if it weren’t for the fact that you are a lefty troll, I would say I like the cut of your jib on this one. Homeopathy is a joke – it is superstition masquerading as science. Harmless until people neglect real medicine. Then the supar pills that cure “colds” which go away anyway really do some harm. And for people who don’t think it is a superstition, the proper way to succuss a dilution is to tap it thrice on a leather bound bible whilst praying. At least according to Thomas Hahneman and he should know becauwse he invented homeopathy and it’s processes andn procedures haven’t changed in nearly two centuries.
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June 7, 2009 3:57pm
Brian Smaller

On a different topic did you see Gordon Brown extolling the virtues of US troops who landed at Obama Beach on D-Day? And they called Blair, Bush’s lap dog.
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June 7, 2009 3:59pm
billyborker

well Brian, with more TU than TD sofar on this, looks like you’re not the only one who agrees with me. But enough of the lefty troll, eh?

I’d also dispute that its “harmless until people reject real medicine”. It is an insiduous lack of thought process that also allows people to succumb to other myths – such as MMR causes autism, chiropractic cures ADD/HD and colic, that accupuncture works and so forth. It is not harmless; it is very, very dangerous.
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June 7, 2009 4:01pm
MikeG

“It was a shambles of a week for National. At a time when the country needs clear decisive leadership focused solely on the critical issues affecting the nation it is completely distracted and floundering in a squalid mess of its own making.” Bill Ralston

I don’t often agree with Bill, but he hits the nail on the head with this one.
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June 7, 2009 5:01pm
RKBee

Seem there’s nothing much here to debate about…

Here’s the latest People’s Choice
Press Release…

Rusty Kane Speaks Out..
Press Release
07/06/2009

“The People’s Choice Party”

Rusty Kane speaks out.

The Mt Albert electorate will only vote for a smaller party like The People’s Choice Party. Not because of their candidate, but because of what the candidate represents or is saying. I and The People’s Choice Party are saying, the Mt Albert electorate themselves should be the ones who decide what is best for Mt Albert. If the Mt Albert voters believe this also, they will vote accordingly. As a protest vote, sending a direct message to the Government itself. The voters of the Mt Albert electorate are not fools. They know the by-election is not going to change the Government. But they do know that their votes and how they vote will decide the outcome of their views. If that view is for the people of Mt Albert to decide what is best for Mt Albert not that of a political party. Then there’s every chance they will protest their vote to a smaller party with those same views. Sending the strongest possible message to the Government leading up to a general election. There is no reason for Labour not to win the Mt Albert by-election. But what is more important in a by-election is the percentage of the remaining votes that are divided up among the smaller parties and why is the real message.

“The People’s Choice Party”
PO Box 41002, St Lukes,
Auckland 1346
topps@kol.co.nz
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June 7, 2009 5:04pm
Steve

RKBee at 5.04pm.
So now Rusty Kane thinks he is going to be second?
There is no second place, just one winner.
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June 7, 2009 5:55pm
Steve

Sunday June 14 2009 headlines:

KOREAN BORN WOMAN WINS EX-PRIME MINISTERS SEAT!
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June 7, 2009 5:57pm
MikeG

Steve – Not if tonights One news poll is correct!
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June 7, 2009 6:18pm
Viking2

Not with the fly in at 53%. Hard to fathom that result really. Lee may not win but I doubt she is that far behind. If its is correct then the sooner the Nats. start chopping the welfare the better.
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June 7, 2009 7:25pm
Alan Wilkinson

Billyborker, acupuncture does work for pain relief though not for other things. Eg:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10123440

There are issues with doing a placebo test for acupuncture trials in general though (hard to disguise whether you are really sticking needles in!)
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June 7, 2009 7:55pm
Steve

MikeG.

There are other information services available than One Network News.
Have a look at your remote, there are other buttons.
Omg there is Sky
Jammed on TV1 by default?
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June 7, 2009 8:26pm
Steve

Tune into the world
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June 7, 2009 8:31pm
stephen

Brian Smaller,

I googled “thomas hahnemann” and the only hit i got was this thread! 😀 It’s Samuel. Where’d you hear the bit about tapping a bible?!
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June 7, 2009 8:34pm
MikeG

Thanks for the info Steve. I wasn’t aware that we had more than one TV station in NZ. Do they still close down at 10:30pm? You see, I’m usually in bed by then as the matron at the rest home makes us put our lights out at 10.

Have any of these other news sources had polls on the Mt Albert seat?
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June 7, 2009 8:53pm
Shunda barunda

Borker said:
“I propose that homeopathy be outlawed as a con trick.”

Fair enough.

“I propose critical thinking classes in high schools.”

And who is going to run these “critical thinking” classes? perhaps you could have a camp instead of a class, oh wait! you could call them re-education camps!
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June 7, 2009 9:03pm
Inventory2

Rusty – I’d respectfully suggest that you enlist the services either of a writer to write your media releases, or failing that, a good proofreader 😉
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June 7, 2009 9:35pm
emmess

I don’t where Whaleoil was getting his information from but it appears to have been bullshit
http://whaleoil.blogspot.com/2009/05/labour-strategists-head-scratching-in.html

God damn it – I held on to my ipredict stocks – oh well it was always a gamble – no point flogging them now
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June 7, 2009 10:05pm
Brian Smaller

I’d also dispute that its “harmless until people reject real medicine”. It is an insiduous lack of thought process that also allows people to succumb to other myths – such as MMR causes autism, chiropractic cures ADD/HD and colic, that accupuncture works and so forth. It is not harmless; it is very, very dangerous.

Slippery slope I agree, but there are plenty of harnless rememdies that while they don’t do any good, they also don’t do any harm. Chiecken soup for a cold for example.

Alan Wilkinson – sorry – Thomas/Samuel – I knew it was one of them. I read abotu it in a piece written by Hahneman.

Acupunture is a placebo affect – studies have shown that you hardly get two practioners who stick the needles in the same place or the same treatment for a particular “condition’.

it is like massage – a wonderful thing when you have been biking for hours and your legs are like lead or when you have some candles, vino and a woman in front of the fire and you are in with a chance, but it doesn’t cure disease and illness.
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June 8, 2009 7:17am
MyNameIsJack

Brian, I don’t think chicken soup is a homeopathic remedy.

But taking a homeopathic “vaccination’ against malaria prior to travelling to malarial areas is deadly.
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June 8, 2009 8:48am
Dave Mann

I think homeopathy is a con job too…. and a dangerous one at that.

The reason that a lot of this bullshit like colour therapy, aromatherapy, herbs and hoeopathy continue to thrive is that western ethics (or the PC thought process if you will) has come up with the idea of being ‘repectful to others’ beliefs’. Thus, it is no longer OK to say that homeopathy is counter-intuitive bullshit which relies on superstition over real science, for fear of offending some zany belief system or other, regardless of how stupid it might be.

People in large masses have forgotten, or don’t even know, that science has been responsible for all the huge advances in our length and quality of life over the past century. This counts for nothing in many people’s minds because they take medical science’s effects on our lives for granted and think that this is ‘normal’. In fact, more than that, they often attack medical science as being ‘evil’ along with food producers who between them are resposible for such amazing progress in the human condition.

The human mind seems to have an enormous capacity for superstition and irrationality which just forces its way into the cracks at every opportunity and this PC idea of non-critical unconditional respect for other’s beliefs however stupid they are does nothing at all to dispel this.
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June 8, 2009 9:16am
RKBee

I’d respectfully agree with Inventory2 .. but at least he gets his message through.. even in its raw state.. without the help of professional proofreaders or writers to write his press and media releases.
Steve Rusty never said he was going to come second? Far from it. That candidate was Melissa Lee.
Rusty said it will be interesting to see what the smaller parties vote count is, and why was his message.
Inventory2 hits on the nail for a good reason why you didn’t get that message clearly.
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June 8, 2009 9:57am
Alan Wilkinson

Brian, I’m not sure that we are disagreeing. Acupuncture can be effective for temporary pain relief. It is not a cure for anything. It is not very relevant where practitioners stick the needles. Even less why or how they claim it works. The question is simply whether it works or not. As the study I cited shows, there is reasonable scientific evidence in favour of it having an observable effect as well as its long traditional use in Asia.
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