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Glutaemus Maximus

French, don’t you just love them!

Watch the last 5 minutes of the Boks v Lions.

Simply a bad call, and frankly Partisan

As we saw in the World Cup when the French fans threw all their support behind SA for the Final.

No surprises there then!
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June 28, 2009 4:44am
expat

Ah, the English summer.

Muggy, warm and now a thunderstorm with hail.

Although quite frankly what do expect during Wimbledon week.

Glad I just spent two weeks in Spain and came back to this, doh!

Mental note, look at more weeks away before the end of the European summer (aka English warm and dull season).
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June 28, 2009 4:45am
expat

I take it the Lions got reamed again then GM?
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June 28, 2009 4:47am
expat

Yuk yuk, Paul Ackfords in The Telegraph somehow scores the Lions player performance higher than the Jappies even though they LOST.

British and Irish Lions:

Rob Kearney: Scored a try, caught all the bombs that came his way and punted beautifully. Almost perfect. 9
Tommy Bowe: Kept his width to fix Steyn for Kearney to score Lions first try. Not many chances to shine himself. 6

Brian O’Driscoll: Well up for it. Had an early tussle with Matfield and played like a flanker forcing turnovers. Eventually injured. 8

Jamie Roberts: Not as many line breaks but still carried bodies over the advantage line. Like O’Driscoll, battered at end. 8

Luke Fitzgerald: Victim of disgraceful eye gouge by Burger. Always threatening and did well to thwart Pietersen in first half. 7

Stephen Jones: Potted a snappy drop goal to reward Lions pressure and squeezed over a penalty which nearly earned Lions the draw. 6

Mike Phillips: Important runs through the middle of the rucks and mauls to keep Bok defence honest. Pass not that slick. 7

Gethin Jenkins: Failed to offload when Lions looked certain to score. Part of a massive scrummaging effort. Clashed heads with Habana. 6

Matthew Rees: Just about held his lineout throwing together. Big influence in scrum and loose play. 7

Adam Jones: Got one over on the beast which was a big psychological lift for Lions. Another Lion who was bashed up. 7

Simon Shaw: Fabulous match. Annoyed Botha, smashed rucks and carried ball into heart of Bok defence. At 35, he even kept going to the end. 8

Paul O’Connell: Didn’t carry ball that well but prominent in early lineouts and forced turnovers late on. Leadership much improved too. 7

Tom Croft: Not as conspicuous as first Test but still keen to mix it with the big boys. Has had a good tour. 6

David Wallace: Much better. Made a nuisance of himself at the breakdown and outplayed Burger. 7

Jamie Heaslip: More visible. A couple of punching runs in the first half were excellent. Faded slightly late on. 6

Replacements: O’Gara gave away the final penalty which cost Lions the match but the Lions were out on their feet at that stage. Andrew Sheridan pick of replacements. Actually got cross. 7

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South Africa:

Frans Steyn: Another mixed bag from a multi-talented player but when he’s good he is very good, witness that superb penalty on half-time. Looks like a world class centre playing full-back. 7

JP Pietersen: Looked much livelier than last week and showed real gas to take his first half try. Much more involved and always needed watching by the Lions hard pressed defence. 7

Adi Jacobs: Still doesn’t look a world beater but a much tidier performance than last week. Midfield defence on Brian O’Driscoll and Jamie Roberts was much tighter. 6

Jean de Villiers: Was just beginning to show his class when departed injured. Worked hard when required to repulse the Lions midfield. 6

Bryan Habana: Much more like it after a quiet weekend in Durban. Devastating runner who was looking for work from the off and took his try like the thoroughbred he is. 8

Ruan Pienaar: Has great qualities but not convincing and looked vulnerable when the Lions cranked up the pressure inthe first half. 6

Fourie du Preez: Has found the excellent Mike Phillips a real handful in this series and has not been at his world class best. Some nice touches to keep the Boks ticking over but nothing sensational. 6

Tendai Mtawarira: A very tough day at the office after Durban’s heroics and he wouldn’t have been devastated when injuries to Adam Jones and Gethin Jenkins resulted in uncontested scrums. 5

Bismark du Plessis: Struggled like the beast and was making little impact in the scrum although his line-out throwing remained consistent and underpinned the Boks line-out excellence. 5

John Smit (capt): HIs leadership was as good as ever but nowhere near as effective at scrum-time and gave a few penalties away. By his own standards a middling game. 6

Bakkies Botha: Always a considerable line-out presence and ferocious in the contact area. Decided to bait Andew Sheridan and to his surprise got as good as he gave. 7

Victor Matfield: Supreme in the line-out, as ever, and a more than useful operator in the loose but would have wanted to produce something bigger and better in front of his own Blue Bulls fans. 7

Schalk Burger: Should have been sent off for gouging after 41 seconds. The referee has no discretion in the matter, it has to be red. Yellow was totally the wrong call. Burger faces a long ban, Berdos has a ton of explaining to do if he is to get another big game anytime soon. 0

Juan Smith: Has had to play amuch tighter game than he is used to. Never lets the Boks down but not as influential as he would have hoped. 6

Pierre Spies: Has not lived up to the hype. Another quiet game devodi of his athletic 50 yard dashes. Put one important tackle in on BOD in the first half but did little else of significance. 5

Replacements: The bench copped all the flak last week but they all played a magnificent hand this week, not least the extremely talented Jaque Fourie, who did brilliantly to take his try even if 20,000 Lions fans will tell you his torso was on the touchline, and Morne Steyn with his magnifcent 53m match winning kick. 10
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June 28, 2009 4:52am
Glutaemus Maximus

Yes expat. Reamed again. Pity it wasn’t a draw with everything to play for on Test 3.

Just like a Frenchman to bugger it up.

I am off to Spain on Wednesday. BCN till Sunday. 30’C apparently. Can’t wait. Hot yet muggy in Lancaster.
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June 28, 2009 5:17am
Glutaemus Maximus

Notice, it wasn’t France!

Mrs wanted to go to Paris for our 26th Wedding Anniversay.

She said “I think Paris would be lovely!”

I said “Aye, think again!”
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June 28, 2009 5:19am
expat

Wouldn’t a true notherner would say “Aye, think again the wife”

😉
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June 28, 2009 5:31am
Glutaemus Maximus

Probably “Lass” across the secure border on them thar Hills.
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June 28, 2009 6:13am
Whafe

GM, say Hola to BCN for me, so miss living there. A fantastic place to live…….Enjoy the food and people
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June 28, 2009 7:51am
peterwn

Interesting comment from Stephen Franks concerning the effect of current defamation laws on freedom of speech. He links to Nicky Hager’s brush with defamation laws after commenting on Crosby Textor in the run up to the last election. Now, I have very little time for Nicky, but the the incident is a matter of grave concern to us all. Politicians have been loathe to ‘take on’ defamation laws probably because it has suited their own ends over the years and probably because of the lobbying power of the legal profession. Hopefully Nick Smith’s brush with defamation law will provide some impetus for reform (I have no idea how the matter has progressed since an ‘update’ prior to the last election).

Arising from this I have a very blunt message for National, its incoming President (whoever that be) and John Key. Engaging the services of that firm for the next election will probably lose more votes through voter disgust than it will gain through its strategy advice.
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June 28, 2009 7:57am
Nomestradamus

I wonder how many Kiwiblog readers remember this classic March 2006 post from DPF:

No this isn’t a joke. If you are able to write why you would like to visit Palmerston North in less than 20 words, then you may win a free trip to Palmerston North.

God if winning a weekend in Palmerston North is the first prize, then the second prize must be winning a week there and third prize winning a month! At that point I would suggest your friends apply for a write of habeas corpus to demand you be returned.

And oh look at this list of their top five things you can do as a tourist:

* Jetboating along the Manawatu River.
* Strolling through world-class rose gardens.
* Driving a circuit of the Manfeild racetrack.
* Listening to top academics at Massey University.
* Not yet decided

Oh my God. They can’t even come up with a No 5 and their No 4 is listening to an academic talk!!! Oh yes this will bring the masses in.

Well, it’s taken a couple of years, but they’ve finally finished the list 🙂
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June 28, 2009 8:05am
Inventory2

Interesting story on Stuff about the 200kg conman who’s trying to avoid going to jail …

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/06/bang-im-up.html
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June 28, 2009 8:43am
Father Ted

Freedom of big government in a recession is disturbing. Just the sheer count regarding the number of bureaucrats slopping at the pig’s trough is astounding.
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June 28, 2009 8:52am
billyborker

peterwn, it is a problem, not just here, but worse in UK, and that horrid ruling will, no doubt, one day find home in NZ as well.

A judge has now decided that an honest person cannot call a fraud a fraud.

Dr Simon Singh allegedly libelled the British Chiropractic Association (BCA) in an article claiming the association is the respectable face of the chiropractic profession and yet it happily promotes “bogus” therapies. The BCA demanded an apology and a retraction, and in its libel action won a preliminary court ruling against Dr Singh last month. In it, Mr Justice Eady ruled that Dr Singh’s use of the word “bogus” meant he was accusing the BCA of being dishonest and backing treatments it knew did not work. He refutes this, saying that “alternative therapists who offer treatments unsupported by reasonable evidence are deluded rather than deliberately dishonest”.

http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/index.php/site/project/340

http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/05/bogus-law.html
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June 28, 2009 8:57am
Tauhei Notts

John Tamihere’s column in today’s Sunday News is brilliant.
Caution; fudge packers may find it distasteful.

[DPF: 20 demerits – not an acceptable term]
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June 28, 2009 9:33am
billyborker

Tauhei, which bits?

I just wish that people like Tamihere would stop falling for the propaganda and use homosexual instead of gay.

Why don’t homosexulas like being called homosexuals?
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June 28, 2009 10:05am
Inventory2

Goodness – I agree with borker!!
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June 28, 2009 10:10am
philu

this is a hoot..!

..one for all you rightwing armchair-warriors/’real men’..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/a-right-wing-writer-on-how-to-be-a-real-man-heh/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 28, 2009 10:12am
philu

and how about those rand-ites..eh..?

..haven’t (recent) events proven them to be full of crap..?

..eh..?

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/how-the-economic-meltdownlootinglays-bare-the-lies-of-ayn-rand/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 28, 2009 10:19am
big bruv

Got a link to that story Tauhei?
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June 28, 2009 10:23am
billyborker

My assertion is that homosexuals will not take their share of responsibility for the spread of Aids and attack anyone who suggests their lifestyles contributed to the epidemic.

Right on John!

We keep hearing the myth that AIDS is a hetro disease, and yet almost all the community funding goes to homosexual groups. Why?
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June 28, 2009 10:25am
billyborker

here ya go bruve – althouh it will probably get more demerits.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-news/opinion/2546005/Gays-far-from-happy-to-cop-lifestyle-criticism
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June 28, 2009 10:26am
philu

interesting demerit ‘system’ there..dpf..

..this piece of shit threatens to get his gun and kill me..

“..I say bring it on, I have a good supply of ammo and have been told I’m a pretty good shot. Wankers like phil need to realise that those that actually cover his sorry arse have just about had enough..”

and that other rightwing scum-sucker/knuckle-dragger man-so-low..regularly alleges i am a meth-cook..

..among other things..

..and nary a murmer/demerit (ever!) from you..eh..?

..now..were i to say these things about/to a rightwinger..?

..that ain’t no ‘system’..that’s a biased crap-shoot..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 28, 2009 10:39am
side show bob

What’s the weather like in Wellington?. Wife and her mad mates are suppose to be doing the marathon, nuts. If it’s like here they will be getting a wet arse.
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June 28, 2009 10:42am
goonix

Taleban-watch seems to be a bit slow this morning. Normally he’s hitting f5 waiting for the day’s general discussion thread to appear so he can get the first post in.
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June 28, 2009 11:07am
Trevor Mallard

Peterwn @737 General warning re Crosby Textor – they get unhappy with links to the Hager story. While I often disagree with both Hager and Franks I think those of us with experience in these mattters are coming to a common view.
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June 28, 2009 11:14am
Redbaiter

Why is Borker still posting here when he has 100 demerits?

(20 received yesterday not yet entered into demerits data base.)

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/general_debate_27_june_2009.html#comment-577658

He should be on a four week ban.
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June 28, 2009 11:18am
billyborker

Then we need more links, we need to keep these maggots exposed to the light.
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June 28, 2009 11:20am
billyborker

diddums redbaiter, diddums.

That’s right, I got 20 demerits simply for linking to another website. As phil says above “that ain’t no ’system’..that’s a biased crap-shoot”.
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June 28, 2009 11:23am
philu

trevor..just while you are here..

could you please explain to a (formerly) long-time labour voter..

..the thinking behind why you/your ‘labour’ government..

..with your ostracisation/discrimination..(esp. financial) against sole-parents/the sickest/the poorest..

(cf:..no restoration of the damages done by shipley/richardson..

..and perhaps the one that ‘hurt’ the most..having to watch the crocodile tears around the promotion of working for families..

..watching ‘you’ tell us how these families on 70 grand are ‘struggling’…

..when sole-parents…raising the generation that will pay your pension..(oh sorry..!..i forgot..!..no worries there..!..eh..?..for you..)

..these sole-parents are meant to raise these children on 15 grand a year..?

you did nothing for us..

..and to my mind..you deserve the heaviest approbrium for just keeping your boot on the back of their/our knecks..

..for all of those nine years..

..and given the social maelstrom we are inheriting ..from the neglect of you..and your ‘twin’..national..

..you should be hanging your head/mea-culpa’-ing all over the place..

..but hang on..was it like the short/brutish/miserable/suffering of factory-farmed-pigs that ‘shocked’ everyone..?

..did you not ‘know’..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 28, 2009 11:28am
Redbaiter

Borker you have 100 demerits and this is your third suspension meaning one month.

End of story.

The rules are clear.

Can’t abide by them, don’t post here.
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June 28, 2009 11:32am
reid

I just wish that people like Tamihere would stop falling for the propaganda and use homosexual instead of gay.

Billy, I don’t know if it’s true but I heard years ago that it came out of San Francisco in the 60’s and stands for “good as you.”

Quite sad really for it offers a small insight into the angst people must go through as they “come out.”
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June 28, 2009 11:37am
Patrick Starr

“..these sole-parents are meant to raise these children on 15 grand a year..?”

no, probably not. That’s why you should go a get a job
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June 28, 2009 11:41am
philu

‘cos..y’ see trev..!

“..I think those of us with experience in these matters are coming to a common view..”

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 28, 2009 11:43am
Redbaiter

Nothing is more irritating in Ure’s unhinged missives then his constant presumption (by means of plural pronouns) that he’s speaking as the leader of some like minded group of intelligentsia. You speak for nobody Phillip Ure other than some piffling uninteresting washed up bludging self obsessed coward awash in the delusions of self aggrandisment.
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June 28, 2009 11:49am
reid

“..these sole-parents are meant to raise these children on 15 grand a year..?”

Phil, I’d imagine most solo parents on the DPB are eligible for a housing corp rental subsidy as well? So does the 15k include or exclude that?

Secondly, as Patrick alludes to mate, in your case, you’ve made it a lifestyle choice. Ever since you’ve been blogging, for most of that time until very recently, the job market has been strong, yet you’ve never indicated you’ve made even the slightest effort to get a job. As far as we all know, you’ve never even attempted what Paula Bennett did and used the subsidised study grants that were then available to upskill yourself.

Life’s not a free ride phil. The worst thing you can do to yourself is to convince yourself that someone else owes you a living.
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June 28, 2009 11:52am
Patrick Starr

reid, dig this one; “..when sole-parents…raising the generation that will pay your pension.”

he expects his son to get a job to pay a pension for him LMFAO
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June 28, 2009 12:02pm
Owen McShane

A puzzlement.
Most of the people moving into the countryside are keen gardeners, and many would be “organic” gardeners of one kind or another.
So I would have thought they would be a Green Party constituency.
However, Whangarei has just notified its plan change 92 which is a plan prepared by Beca Planning which commits the whole of Whangarei to Smart Growth.
As is usual with this destructive planning fad the plan claims that because there is considerable productive land around the city (actually I presume they mean fertile land around the city) this must be protected from urban sprawl and the city must be subject to intensification.
So farm land must be protected from gardeners!
The Green Party also opposes industrial agriculture as unsustainable.
So where does the Green party stand on this?
The party also stands for social justice. The sale of seeds has increased 20% since the recession started to bite and these are vegetable seeds. So clearly people are turning to gardening to feed themselves.
Also the advent of farmers’ markets all around Northland means that many of these gardens will supply “buy local” markets, which are also in favour with the Greens.
This of course confirms my argument that whatever Smart Growth may be it is certainly not a Green Policy.
Any comment from any Greens watching the blog – or anyone else for that matter?
I am preparing submissions against this dreadful policy, but it would be nice to have a few allies.
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June 28, 2009 12:07pm
philu

difficult to find an employer who will accomodate school holidays..there..reid..

..(and there are so many of them..!..)

if you have no family to ‘help’..

your children have to spend their school holidays in those ‘holding-camps’..

..(you sometimes see them ‘out’ in the city..

..more reminiscent of convict chain-gangs than anything else..

..i made the commitment to ‘raise’ my son..

..and that is what i have done..

..(and hey..!..his school report arrived friday..

..i couldn’t be prouder..he is doing brilliantly..(is described as ‘a leader’..)

..and he got ‘player-of-the-day’ in his soccer-team..the week before last..

..and hey reid..!

my son..in all his years at school..

..has never had to go to the tuck shop for his lunch..

..eh..?..always the healthy/homemade version..

(his high school friends try to ‘buy’ from him..the lunches i have made..)

..i think the government has got quite a good deal out of us..

..and you..reid..you can take yr illogical prejudices..

..and insert them where no rays get..

..eh..?

(btw..having left school at fifteen..while raisng my son..i have completed an m.a..

..i also volunteered/worked at bfm for four+ years during that time..)

..and there is this little thing called whoar..that i do every day..and have done for four+ years..

..and reid..!..i am sure you will be pleased to hear..

..that i have been approached by some americans..in america..who ‘love’ my work at whoar..

..and want my newsfeed to be the newsfeed on a new on-line media site..soon to open in america..

..as you can imagine..i am quite chuffed…

..with visions of american advertising dollers dancing in my head..

so..reid..

(is that game-set-match..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 28, 2009 12:08pm
peterwn

Billyborker

Yes, I am aware of the British Chiropractic Association (BCA) v Singh case and it beggars belief. The Chiropractors in NZ are also taking a pot at the NZ Medical Association after the latter criticised some chiropractors using the title Dr (I think). AFAIK the matter is stalemated with the chiropractors demanding that the NZ Medical Journal retract and pay costs and the latter basically telling the chiropractors where to stick it.

There is another side to the general issue – I am thinking of the difficulties facing Cafe Cezanne in Ponsonby which is on the brink of collapse following a claim that they sold buggy food when due to negligence samples were mixed up. The cafe would be morally justified in taking legal action against TV3 but this may not be a practical option if TV3 digs its toes in.
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June 28, 2009 12:26pm
toad

Hmm – eighteen percent of those polled think the child discipline referendumb is “a good use of taxpayer dollars”.
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June 28, 2009 12:27pm
MT_Tinman

Glutaemus Maximus (1812) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 3 Says:
June 28th, 2009 at 4:44 am

French, don’t you just love them!

Watch the last 5 minutes of the Boks v Lions.

Simply a bad call, and frankly Partisan

I agree, atrocious call.

Luckily the correct call to penalise the foul play of O’Gara in the final minute made up for it and the best team won.
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June 28, 2009 12:52pm
Bullitt

Of course they do Toad. Your forgetting about the other 80% who think its a bad use of taxpayer dollars and the law should be changed without even needed to go as far as a referendum.
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June 28, 2009 1:23pm
dutchie down south

for those who are still following the events in Iran….. messages are filtering through saying that good ole Persinkiwi is arrested
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June 28, 2009 1:51pm
starboard

..made the commitment to ‘raise’ my son..

..and that is what i have done..

without thinking how you are going to fund the commitment eh Flu…oh thats right silly old taxpayer will cough up..
you shoulda kept it in ya pants Flu…eh ?..eh ?
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June 28, 2009 1:52pm
philu

that 18%.. are known in the polling trade as the ‘duh!..!..is my arse on fire..? vote’..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 28, 2009 1:58pm
billyborker

reid (2828) Vote: 0 0 Says:

June 28th, 2009 at 11:37 am
I just wish that people like Tamihere would stop falling for the propaganda and use homosexual instead of gay.

Billy, I don’t know if it’s true but I heard years ago that it came out of San Francisco in the 60’s and stands for “good as you.”

Never.

Quite sad really for it offers a small insight into the angst people must go through as they “come out.”

And more special pleading from homosexuals.

AUSTRALIA’S national depression body has abandoned the gay community and ignored its high rates of suicide, self-harm and mental illness, lobby groups claim.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/gays-ignored-by-beyondblue-20090627-d0lf.html

There are plenty of depresses hetrosexuals needing help, so it is good that this body will not permit its funding to be diverted to homosexual causes.

How can homosexuals be depressed if they’re gay? Or is it a lie that homosexuals are gay?
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June 28, 2009 2:12pm
Redbaiter

Fuck off Borker.

With 100 demerits you’re banned.

Dishonest scum.
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June 28, 2009 2:32pm
Ross Miller

I note with interest that the Obama Administration has appointed a lady Muslim to act as their condute to the Muslim world.

This is PC gone mad. Most radical Muslim countries would abhor the notion of a full, free and frank dialogue with a female Muslim.

And non radical Muslim countries too. I had the privilege of serving some time with the Malaysian military and still have contacts there including one very senior Muslim Army officer. Not too long ago the NZDF is their wisdom appointed a female as our Defence Liaison Officer in KL. His simple message to me was ‘does your country so not understand the norms of the Malaysian military (dominated by ethnic Muslim Malays) that you set out to deliberately undermine your standing with us’.

So true, so sad.
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June 28, 2009 2:37pm
billyborker

Here’s something else crusher collins might like to consider for prisons. Or is this cruel and unusual punishment?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnk7lh9M3o
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June 28, 2009 2:39pm
billyborker

Redbaiter (6619) Vote: 0 0 Says:

June 28th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Fuck off Borker.

With 100 demerits you’re banned.

I’m banned when DPF says so, not you. Maybe he’s cut me slack since the last ban lasted 3 days over time.

Who knows, who cares? Actually, why DO you care so much? A Little Caessar complex maybe? For someone who claims to be a libertarian, you sure have a strong authoritarian streak.
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June 28, 2009 2:42pm
billyborker

peterwn (451) Vote: 1 0 Says:

June 28th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Billyborker

Yes, I am aware of the British Chiropractic Association (BCA) v Singh case and it beggars belief. The Chiropractors in NZ are also taking a pot at the NZ Medical Association after the latter criticised some chiropractors using the title Dr (I think). AFAIK the matter is stalemated with the chiropractors demanding that the NZ Medical Journal retract and pay costs and the latter basically telling the chiropractors where to stick it.

It is about time the government got tough with these frauds, charlatans and shysters.

Chriropracters, homeopaths, reiki monsters, ju ju men, witch doctors, herbalists, accupuncturists and their hangers on have no place in a modern society.
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June 28, 2009 2:47pm
bharmer

# side show bob (1504) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
June 28th, 2009 at 10:42 am

“What’s the weather like in Wellington?. Wife and her mad mates are suppose to be doing the marathon, nuts. If it’s like here they will be getting a wet arse.”

You’ve probably heard from her by now but conditions for the event were very cool and overcast with a very light southerly. No rain. I estimate around 8 degrees. I did the 10km walk (about the limit of my capability), and I did warm up eventually. Brilliantly organized event.
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June 28, 2009 2:49pm
reid

difficult to find an employer who will accomodate school holidays..there..reid..

And yet phil, somehow hundreds of thousands of working parents don’t let that get in the way of them holding a job, and if you want to go and suggest they’re not raising their kids appropriately (“..i made the commitment to ‘raise’ my son..”), then be my guest, and see what they say.

(If you want to take me up on that, I suggest you do it here and not on whoar, because doing it on whoar is the equivalent of talking to yourself.)

..i think the government has got quite a good deal out of us..

Well, you would, wouldn’t you phil, but as I’ve just explained, you could have done that AND had a job as well. BTW, it’s not the govt that pays for you, it’s us. (Us = those who pay taxes – and in case you’re wondering, taxes paid by beneficiaries on income they receive from us, don’t count, they’re just a joke to fool guys like you into thinking that you’re actually pulling your weight in our society.)

..and reid..!..i am sure you will be pleased to hear….that i have been approached by some americans..in america..who ‘love’ my work at whoar….and want my newsfeed to be the newsfeed on a new on-line media site..soon to open in america….as you can imagine..i am quite chuffed…..with visions of american advertising dollers dancing in my head..

Well I am pleased to hear that phil, but I imagine that US $$ will only follow based on proven readership figures. How’re they coming along?
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June 28, 2009 3:02pm
Owen McShane

Re: Whangarei Plan Change 92 – or The Plan Change to keep the recession going forever, I forgotten to paste in the link.

Go to

http://www.wdc.govt.nz/xml/ps.aspx?fn=/resources/13222/notice-of-plan-change-92.html

Then go to the bottom of the page to view the documents.
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June 28, 2009 3:06pm
Father Ted

reid; my good Lord are the Yanks that silly they would fund a phool? Made in New Zealand wild wood weed has caused havoc. I pray for his son.
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June 28, 2009 3:07pm
backster

I agree the article by Tamihere illustrates our National inability to confront the truth…One aspect he doesn’t cover is that the tax money sent to the homosexual cabal to fight aids is used to promote homosexuality resulting in increased numbers of HIV carriers.
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June 28, 2009 4:14pm
billyborker

and here, backster, is one of them.

http://www.bodyelectricoz.org/

This bunch of perverts attempted to infilitrate a group I was part of, until I questioned their sexuality and their motives. Very uncomfortable being called homosexuals were they. There intention was to be accepted as a course provider without revealing what their “course” was. Intercourse, it turned out, with other men was their aim.
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June 28, 2009 4:37pm
side show bob

Thanks bharmer, got a ring about an 2 hours ago, all did the 42k, said the weather was good and had a good time. It seems they are now all on the piss, not unusual.
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June 28, 2009 4:37pm
Redbaiter

Borker should be lumped with a life ban for defying the demerits system.
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June 28, 2009 4:48pm
sonic

These guys are gay Borker?

http://www.bodyelectricoz.org/images/stories/Celebrating_BE.jpg

I would not have picked that up.
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June 28, 2009 4:54pm
billyborker

no, sonic, they are NOT gay, they are homosexuals. And they didn’t reveal this when they approached the group I was in, I found the web site when I began researching them.

They were attempting to infiltrate our group in order to have access to new men, fresh meat I believe they called them.
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June 28, 2009 4:56pm
billyborker

Redbaiter (6621) 0 1 Says:

June 28th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Borker should be lumped with a life ban for defying the demerits system.

Careful reddy, you’ll blow your pooper valve over this.

I have defied nothing, I accept the umpire’s verdict, but I am not the score keeper.
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June 28, 2009 4:59pm
side show bob

They look pretty happy to me Billy.
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June 28, 2009 6:25pm
billyborker

If they’re so happy, why are they so depressed?
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June 28, 2009 6:30pm
Glutaemus Maximus

And meanwhile in the Old Country.

http://order-order.com/2009/06/27/browns-billions-for-climate-change/

There is no money in the kitty, he would have to borrow to give money to any recipients.

Nothing like buying your next job is there?

Sound Familiar?
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June 28, 2009 7:01pm
philu

wha’ happened to trevor..?

was it something i said..?

did he just cut and run..?

..i’ve given him all day to answer..

(understandable..really..uanswerable questions..and all..

..’naked’ labour on show..

..eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 28, 2009 7:01pm
Hurf Durf

toad, 12:27 pm:

If your ideological buttbuddies Labour has scheduled it with the General Election it would have only cost $900,000, and instead of pushing for it then you kept your mouth shut so you wouldn’t be trounced even more than you were. You have no right to talk about cost.
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June 28, 2009 7:11pm
Shunda barunda

Hey phil I’m just off to get some mc donalds, I’ll get you a boss burger, get some meat on ya bones! 🙂
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June 28, 2009 7:13pm
big bruv

Well, who would have thought that the left ( B Hussein Messiah Obama) would want to suppress this little gem?

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/26/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5117890.shtml
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June 28, 2009 7:35pm
Cerium

It’s risky basing an argument on one MSM article, big bruv. It could be worth having a look into Carlin’s credentials and credibility.
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June 28, 2009 7:57pm
joeAverage

JOHNEE BOY Key the lights are shinning on you johnee boy they are bright lights really BRIGHT johnboy , i hope that stopping adult education increases your personal wealth as a leech banker, johnee key , we get rid of uni educated helen and uni educated johnboy does the same old same old CLOSE DOWN NewZealand Fuck is there anything better than educated nation party mice trainers out there does the thought we are been ripped of by the fuckwit national party spring to mind SIGH and i voted for these fuckers PS ring national afterhours wait 50+ring they are really the party of the voters opps THEIR WEALTH LEECHES
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June 28, 2009 8:00pm
Cerium

Two U.S. EPA career employees detailed their concerns about the science underpinning the agency’s “endangerment” finding in a report released last night by a conservative think tank.
http://tinyurl.com/o99n9c

“an almost 100-page report written in 4 days detailing the problems with the scientific claims for global warming as given by the IPCC”
http://tinyurl.com/myfhjs

“EPA spokeswoman Adora Andy said earlier this week that Carlin is not a scientist and was not part of the working group that dealt with the endangerment issue.”

“He has a doctorate in economics and a bachelor’s degree in physics. He specializes in cost-benefit analysis and the economics of global climate change control, EPA said.”

Carlin, however, choose to focus much attention on one paper that had already been widely misinterpreted in the blogosphere, namely the Van de Wal et al 2008 Science paper on Greenland ice melt. In a truly bizarre twist, the analysis in Section 1.5 is lifted word-for-word from WorldClimateReport.com (November 12, 2008)!
http://tinyurl.com/kv359z
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June 28, 2009 8:17pm
Ross Miller

joeAverage in his post demonstrates that he was/is not too hot on the adult learning thing given his use of grammar and syntax. Pretty good on foul language though. All in all an inarticulate diatribe thats adds very little to the sum total of human knowledge.

Guess people have to vent their fustration somehow/anyhow given the abysmal ABs and Woeful Warriors.
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June 28, 2009 8:22pm
Shunda barunda

“i hope that stopping adult education increases your personal wealth as a leech banker”

Yes indeed, what will we do without those stained glass corses, and introduction to digital photograpy.
JK stands to make millions.
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June 28, 2009 9:14pm
wreck1080

what a joke. The country thinks the smacking referendum is a waste of money.

Of course it’s a damn waste of money, the PM says he doesn’t give a #$%#%$# about the result .

I wouldn’t say it is a waste of money. It is showing us that John Key is an arrogant PM, unwilling to listen to the will of the people who voted him in.
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June 28, 2009 9:46pm
Cerium

The whole smacking thing is a bit of a waste of time and money isn’t it? Quibbling over a minor law change. Surely there are a lot more important things to debate and try and resolve. Or is life generally so cruisy here we can spend so much on the trivial?
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June 28, 2009 10:01pm
big bruv

Cerium

If its just a “minor law change” then I assume you would have no issue with it being changed so as to not criminalise parents for smacking their kids?
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June 28, 2009 10:11pm
Shunda barunda

“I assume you would have no issue with it being changed so as to not criminalise parents for smacking their kids?”

I think there would be more chance of Sue Bradford singing onward christian soldiers at destiny church with Brian taking the lead.
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June 28, 2009 10:50pm
billyborker

…I assume you would have no issue with it being changed so as to not criminalise parents for smacking their kids?

If you had read the law, you would know that your statement is as full of shit as yourself.

S59 clearly states 4 ways in which a parent may use reasonable force with a child, but none of them include belting a kid because he/she can’t tie their shoelaces.
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June 28, 2009 11:00pm
Ryan Sproull

If its just a “minor law change” then I assume you would have no issue with it being changed so as to not criminalise parents for smacking their kids?

That would be a major law change, altering the definition of assault.
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June 28, 2009 11:52pm
expat

borker, what are those 4 ways? for those of us who havent got the legislation to hand.
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June 29, 2009 2:19am
getstaffed

Ah yes, the definition of assault. it’s an old trick changing the definition of a word to support ones predetermined outcome. how long before a hug is an assault? how long before having a a toddler on a walk leash thingie is a violation of their rights? how long before advances in conception technology have the liberals scrambling to redraft the abortion laws with carfully re-selected words?

for those that think this debate is about smacking i suggest you open your eyes a bit. the debate centres on the extent to which the state can or should intrevene in the day-to-day running of a family. I say they are already far too involved. socialists and neo communists like borker won’t be happy until the state has total and unfettered access to the minds of our children. schools are largely sorted. families are next.
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June 29, 2009 4:40am
getstaffed

My first trip longhaul in an Airbus A380 yesterday. Very quiet compared with the 747 workhorse. Emirates services good but not outstanding. The meals were of similar quality to 10 years ago… with the standard having generally slipped over the last 10. The inflight entertainment systems was top shelf. Cattle class is no less cramped that it ever was. Greece is nice and warm.
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June 29, 2009 4:45am
Glutaemus Maximus

The A380 is very quiet, very new in seat entertainment, food above average compared to other carriers, better rewards system, as they do credit you with all the flights, and you get to spend the points on flights or goods.

And best of all no snotty Hispanic customs furher types like LAX.

We have travelled the last 3 years with Emirates, and the new Terminal 3 is stunning. There are smoking areas, and the Duty free has all the latest gear.

Best of all, so much cheaper than Air NZ
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June 29, 2009 5:50am
Cerium

The great communist plot, trying to give kids the same legal protection against assault that adults have.

Changing the law back will do what to protect kids? The current law is imperfect as most are, but the old version is slightly more imperfect. Most laws are already a careful selection of words which lawyers try and work around to get their clients off charges.

A hug illegal? It already could be – if I hug my wife it is s show of love, if I hug my ex-wife I could be in trouble if she chose.

This whole smacking debate has little to do about kids, it is adults having a hissy fit over thinking it is state intrusion on their lives. If you want to try less state intrusion try somewhere like Somalia.
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June 29, 2009 6:13am
Cerium

big bruv, surely you aren’t suggesting any sort of smacking should be legal?

And trying to legally differentiate between ok (ish) smacking and assault type smacking is far from black and blue and white.

smack
v. tr.
1. To press together and open (the lips) quickly and noisily, as in eating or tasting.
2. To kiss noisily.
3. To strike sharply and with a loud noise.
v. intr.
1. To make or give a smack.
2. To collide sharply and noisily.
n.
1. The loud sharp sound of smacking.
2. A noisy kiss.
3. A sharp blow or slap.
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June 29, 2009 6:23am
billyborker

socialists and neo communists like borker won’t be happy until the state has total and unfettered access to the minds of our children

More lies from getstuffed.

I am a great advocate of human responsibility.I am a great advocate of teaching children to think for themselves so they don’t end upthe type of mindless drones the capitalist class are trying to create by corporatising education and removing anything that is “job related”.

For a genuine socilaist, there is always one concept upper most – the human being.
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June 29, 2009 6:52am
starboard

..made the commitment to ‘raise’ my son..

..and that is what i have done..

without thinking how you are going to fund the commitment eh Flu…oh thats right silly old taxpayer will cough up..
you shoulda kept it in ya pants Flu…eh ?..eh ?

…What ! No answer Flu ?? Just a neg karma !! Bludger.
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June 29, 2009 8:24am
wreck1080

The antismacking legislation is insidious.

If you even tap your child lightly, you have committed a criminal act.

You ARE a CRIMINAL in NZ law. You were just lucky enough not to be caught or prosecuted.
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June 29, 2009 8:26am
Cerium

– If you even tap your child lightly, you have committed a criminal act.

Try reading the legislation.
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June 29, 2009 8:36am
philu

starbored..i never neg karma..(unless a rightie moans about being neg-karma-ed..eh..?..then i am moved to add to their misery..)

.. starbored..just so we are clear here..you advocate the removal of all state support for sole-parents..and their ilk..?

..libertarian are you..?

..(if the answer is ‘yes..i am a libertarian’..

..we can all just snigger..and move on..eh..?..)

..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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