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dutchie down south

Seems that, according to twitter, You Tube and other sources, the Green Revolution is getting very nasty and that it has been a very violent day in not only Tehran but many other cities.
Some sources are reporting acidy, chemical taunted water been trown out of helicopters to drench demonstrators..
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June 21, 2009 9:20am
billyborker

Unveil women in Iran –

http://www.butterfliesandwheels.com/articleprint.php?num=405

buqa degrading – may be outlawed in France.

http://www.theage.com.au/world/france-may-outlaw-the-burqa-as-degrading-20090620-crw6.html

We can learn a lot from the French
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June 21, 2009 9:24am
wikiriwhis business

I always thought Iranian women were Gods vision of female worship.

Even the Bible says a womens head should be covered during worship so her beauty isn’t distracting to the service.

Simple respect for Gods temple.

I have to say though, when I see Iranian women protest I am swayed by their cause.

THey just look like they’re right.

Very noble women.

Far more so than the wholly covered Muslims.

THe Bible also says to have an open face.
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June 21, 2009 10:17am
TimG_Oz

It’s Sunday – lets kick off a rugby discussion.

NZRFU are about to shoot themselves in the foot again – they just don’t get the idea of Rugby outside major centres at all.

1) They’re going to remove 4 provincial teams from the NPC, once again leaving many regions without a team to follow

They stopped provinces merging (i.e. Manawatu + Hawkes Bay) in the past. If they were smart they would divide the country up into 10 sections and make a team in each. That way everybody has a team to follow, and they can ensure each team plays matches in each regional center

2) The are playing a major test against Italy in Christchurch. Cantabrians get so many major games every year, why would they support a test against a 3rd rate team? And they could play it at a number of other venues (like Palamerston North or New Plymouth) and guarantee a sell out

The NZRFU seemingly want to lose the support of grasroots New Zealanders – cobble that with the fact that Rugby is less of a spectacle than other sports. I used to hate AFL – now with rule changes, it is much more palatable to watch than Rugby. A sad fact.
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June 21, 2009 10:53am
Jack5

David Bain won’t risk trying hard for compensation from the Government or the family members over the legacy.
That’s one of the points in an interesting Christchurch Press article by Martin van Beynen, a veteran reporter and ex-lawyer who sat through the whole of the second trial. Van Beynen is convinced the jury got it wrong. Why, makes interesting reading.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/2518912/Plenty-of-doubt-in-Bain-jurys-verdict
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June 21, 2009 11:09am
philu

and how about those farmers?..eh..?

destroying the very backbone of our country..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/how-farmsfarming-are-really-screwing-uppolluting-our-waterwaysat-some-point-the-water-is-not-going-to-be-sustainable-for-use-so-we-need-to-reverse-that-trend/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 21, 2009 11:17am
Redbaiter

How about a lifetime ban for this worthless shameless prick and his constant link whoring.
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June 21, 2009 11:30am
Southern Raider

Why our world is going down the toliet. No its not climate change but “experts”.

In the SST times a recent survey of South African males showed the following results
– 27% admitted rape
– half of these said they had done it more than once
– 10% admitted gang rape

Yet “experts agree” that this is caused by external factors such as violent upbringing and Apartheid.

What ever happened to personal responsibility?
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June 21, 2009 12:00pm
side show bob

Blow it out your arse philu, usual demented rantings from a failed blogger. Shit man do yourself a favour, get a hair cut, get a job, you might even enjoy it. Surly your son must just about be old enough to join the work force, no excuses then. Plenty of jobs on the land, perhaps you can join the regional council and come around and point out all our failings( farmers) but given your views this position would probably be very short term.
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June 21, 2009 12:04pm
billyborker

tim, forget cross country wrestling and its cousin, bum sniffing – aerial ping pong is the only game in town.

Go the Western Bulldogs!
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June 21, 2009 12:31pm
philu

aww..!..reddy…!

one a day..as a conciousness-raising exercise for the terminally ignorant who frequent here..?

..such as your good self..?

and bloody-hands-bob..!

..how is your cow-concentration camp bearing up under falling prices/frisky bank managers..?..eh..?

..and ..um..!..my hair is actually quite short..

..i do have a ‘job’..

..it is called whoar.co.nz..

..this is a news aggregation service..

..with the occaisonal opinion piece from me..(these are all filed under ‘comment@whoar’..

..should you feel the need for some (much-needed-on-your-part) elucidation..

..and each day you will find 20+ stories/links..

..to some of the best (global and local) jouralism of that particular day..

..eh..?

and btw..are you holding up your ‘job’..as an animal-concentration-camp owner..

..as something to extoll..?

..getouttahere..!

you make your (dirty) money from the hurting/exploitation of helpless animals..

..and in doing so you also fuck up/pollute our waterways..

..meh..!

..and..btw..’the boy’ has changed his name from ‘surly’..

..(we think it was a hormonal thingy..)

..and speaking of ‘short term’..

..that’d be your vision..eh..?

..and the funny(?) thing is..

..that you don’t seem to be aware that you are fast killing your personal ‘golden-goose’..

..go figure..!

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 21, 2009 1:19pm
Hurf Durf

You have a point in that seething pile of shit, phool?
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June 21, 2009 1:21pm
billyborker

wikiriwhis business, who gives tinker’s cuss waht the bible says about anything? I’ve just been for a wonderful drive around the local region.

Springfield Fire station – about 20 people working away. Springfield churches, nearly empty.

Sheffiled Pie Shop – 8 cars pulled up, church accrooss the road, 2 cars.

God needs a new business model if he’s going to compete with mammon.
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June 21, 2009 1:23pm
philu

yes..several..

..get a grown-up to explain..

(and is that your first scatological-outburst of the day..?

..do you dream about it..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 21, 2009 1:30pm
reid

“.i do have a ‘job’….it is called whoar.co.nz..”

Thing is phil, a “job” is something where you trade labour for cash.

If you call whoar a “job,” does it meet that criteria?

Another thing is, farmers are actually more environmentally aware than almost everyone, since their living depends on it. They’re the last people who want to pollute their own backyard or treat their animals unkindly.

OTOH, urban greenies who have absolutely no practical background, appear to imagine they know more about it. They remind me of petulant and naive children who stamp their foot and demand world peace, without even realising that:
(a) so does everyone else and they’re not the first person to think that way, and
(b) we’re all working on it, already, but there’s a little thing called practical reality that we have to deal with as well. Duh.
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June 21, 2009 1:34pm
TimG_Oz

Billy – The Western Bulldogs are OK – I’ve got a few other ex-pat Kiwi mates who are now Bulldogs supporters. I’ve adopted the team down the road at Geelong – who are going great guns at the moment (even though they choked in last years GF)

Here’s my takes on the pro’s / cons of each sport:

AFL:

– Better now that rule changes have reduced Flooding/ Rush behinds / kicking to the sideline deliberately / less ballups etc
– Fitness of players make it a much faster game to watch now
– Games are Still 3 hours long [yawn]
– Teams used to have ‘local’ support (in the days of VFL) – now the lines are much more blurred
– Players still “argy-bargy” – i.e. Full forward and Full back will be elbowing each other when the ball is at the other end of the ground. They should just whip their dicks out and settle the macho arguents once and for all.
– The sight of toothless grannies spitting on their own team is a bit of a turn off (but enough about Collingwood). Arguably this is a problem with the All Blacks as well

Rugby:

– Shorter / faster format
– Worldwide game means there is always a local flavour to team, and people should always have a local team to follow
– Apart from a minority of New Zealand/Australia/South Africa fans which are abysmal, in general the crowds are cultured and good natured (unlike Soccer!)
– Stop / Start affair
– Professionalism / Fitness means that defences are just about inpenetrable. They should make the fields about 15 m wider to create more gaps (IMHO) – at elite level anyway.
– Administrators are stuck in the dark ages.

In General, I think New Zealand sports administration is still stuck in the 1980s. Australia is so far ahead – especially in terms of event management. The NZRFU have screwed up so many times in the past (anybody the 2003 RWC hosting debacle??) – and they just don’t seem to be learning. Very shortly, the All Blacks will be like Wales – once were a good side, and everybody reminisces about the halcyon days of the 1980s!
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June 21, 2009 1:41pm
Hurf Durf

Yeah, I dream about taking a shit on your chest while your father injects you with another hit of smack, finally bringing you to a state of lucidity and coherence.
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June 21, 2009 1:51pm
philu

“..but there’s a little thing called practical reality that we have to deal with as well. Duh..”

duh..!..indeed..!

the ‘practical reality’ here..that you/bloody-hands-bob and others are ignoring here..

..is contained in the link i posted..

..these people going ‘oi!’..aren’t the ‘grey lynn vegan society and appreciation group’..

..these are ‘your’ people..

..people with that long/institutional knowledge of what they speak..

..and these are the ones who are telling you..

..that you are really fucking our environment/country..

..and that you had better stop/change what you are doing..

i mean..rail at me all you like..

..that won’t change the facts/implications of what you are doing..

..to earn your ‘dirty’ money..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 21, 2009 2:00pm
Hurf Durf

Wah wah dee enviwonment wah wah diwty munny wah wah outwage.
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June 21, 2009 2:03pm
Whafe

Hurf – Just ignore phil, if everyone ignores him he will go away…….. Dear I say it, dont have a clue why his father wasted a load on him!
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June 21, 2009 2:12pm
Hurf Durf

Hahaha. Whafe, as I said last night in the General Debate thread: “I bet your father must have been annoyed that he didn’t shoot you over your mother’s back when she told him to.”
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June 21, 2009 2:17pm
philu

wow hurf..!

..so short on one-liners..you have to recycle..?

..and you do know that if you use other peoples’ material..

..it is customary to acknowledge that..

..and not try to claim it as your own/evidence of mental activity..

..’cos anyone can copy..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 21, 2009 2:20pm
side show bob

Philu, thanks for your concerns. The concentration camp is going well, only the grass growth has been a bit slow this winter, I of course blame global warming. You will be relieved to know that the waterways are not as polluted as they were some 7 weeks ago as many of the ducks that crapped into them have come to an untimely end, they have now found new homes in my deep freeze. As for reading the 20+ “stories” you post everyday, bloody hell I can’t read all the crap I get in the mailbox everyday. You see us farmers have the unbridled joy of been the center of attention for just about every publication in NZ, such are the joys. Not sure where you are coming from with your golden goose comment but have been around long enough to know you are talking through a hole in your arse.
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June 21, 2009 2:22pm
philu

re yr ignorance..?..there bloody-hands-bob..?

q.e.d…

..eh..?

(in yr own words..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 21, 2009 2:27pm
Whafe

Jack5 – very good link…. Sums the whole job up well….. Hasnt made me think anything different. My verdict has been the same for a good many years…… I take on board as to why Joe K is so matey with David Bain, but really it is quite creepy and sinister……

They make a good couple…
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June 21, 2009 2:27pm
philu

“..They’re the last people who want to pollute their own backyard or treat their animals unkindly..”

and that’s a bit of a knee-slapper from you there reid..

..and one that flies in the face of the (linked) evidence..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 21, 2009 2:33pm
Redbaiter

“A four-hour police operation targeting boy racers ended in Wellington early yesterday with 15 cars ordered off the road. Thirty-eight infringement notices were also issued.”

Meanwhile, Maori gangs go on their merry ways unhindered by the big brave Police.
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June 21, 2009 2:56pm
Hurf Durf

In case anyone had any doubts about the current scum running Iran right now:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0db_1245519048
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWiSlVddLH8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_kaZpOsYQ8
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June 21, 2009 2:58pm
Whafe

A fact of life, the men in blue are scared of the gangs….

Had an amusing little situation not long ago, coming down the Southern motorway in Auckland at night, a car went passed towing a trailer with no lights on and the load overhanging… I noticed it contained patched members within the car. What then happened was even more amazing, the police pulled me over in a 12 month old Subaru Outback to check if the car was warranted……

Pppfffftttttttttttt………………
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June 21, 2009 3:01pm
Manolo

“.i do have a ‘job’.. ..it is called whoar.co.nz..:

Now Whoar, the pathetic bludger, claims to be part of the workforce. It would be the joke of the century, if this parasite wasn’t funded by us, taxpayers.
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June 21, 2009 3:16pm
joeAverage

Jack5 that jorno is just another bitter twisted poor losser Davids playing golf and this bitter jorno is using his paper to make bitter comments , and at the end of the day WHO really gives a shit, most people worry about having a job still on monday
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June 21, 2009 3:19pm
Nomestradamus

Philuseless

Just spotted this clanger from you on yesterday’s general debate thread:

so hurf..should i throw yours’ and llamas’ scalps into my trophy-room..?

you’ll be alongside with muzza..reddy..that dipshit-lawyer..and all the other frothers from here .. who i’ve ‘done’..

..eh..?

..then of course..there is that old/curling/crusty scalp withering away in the corner..

..that used to belong to d4j..

..eh..?

..(it twitches a bit..every now and then..

..but that’s about it..eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

So you claim to have “done” me and other Kiwiblog commenters – this is just too funny for words.

You are a welfare-bludging loser, Phil, who fights imaginary battles and claims imaginary trophies. Now give me a link to a thread where you claim to have “done” me. I’m not exactly wetting my pants in anticipation.

..i do have a ‘job’..

..it is called whoar.co.nz..

..this is a news aggregation service..

..with the occaisonal opinion piece from me..(these are all filed under ‘comment@whoar’..

No, that’s not a job, that’s a taxpayer-funded lifestyle. If you had a real job, you’d stop sucking on the taxpayers’ (collective) tit, eh?
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June 21, 2009 4:22pm
Redbaiter

“No, that’s not a job, that’s a taxpayer-funded lifestyle.”

As well as a delusion.

A “news aggregator” nobody reads.

To go with all of the other delusions.
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June 21, 2009 4:29pm
Shunda barunda

“God needs a new business model if he’s going to compete with mammon.”

Yeah, everbody say *economic depression*
egg.
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June 21, 2009 6:25pm
llew

– Apart from a minority of New Zealand/Australia/South Africa fans which are abysmal, in general the crowds are cultured and good natured (unlike Soccer!)

Interesting post TimG – thanks. FWIW, I think the NZ crowds have matured a lot since I was a kid – a few beer can/bottle bombardment of the French notwithstanding, as you say, a minority.

But I wish we’d stop booing when the opposing team is kicking, we should instead, adopt that powerful & eerie silence the Irish deomonstrated, that’s gotta be unnerving.

And it does the ABS & us good to lose now & then, that’s part of why I think the audiences are maturing. But they/we don’t want to get used to losing, like the Welsh have IMO. FTR, I’m a welsh immigrant to NZ.
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June 21, 2009 6:43pm
Southern Raider

How is the Maori Visa man still free?

The cops visited him today, but still no charges.

If any non-Maori was selling fake Visa’s or immigration stamps they would have been locked up a week ago and facing many years in jail.

Nothing like double standards
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June 21, 2009 6:59pm
TimG_Oz

Thanks llew

I’m not sure how much they have matured though. We went to the 2005 tour of the British Lions, and I was embarrassed by the behaviour of All Blacks fans up Courtney place after the second test, and the general attitude of the fans.

From my memory – the booing actually was a recent phenomenon. In the 1990s, The Australian crowds in Sydney started booing and flag waving – to great effect. The ABs just couldn’t seem to win there (they always looked spooked). The NZ reaction was swift and harsh – to descend to the Australian level.

NZers (and I was guilty of this to) came to expect to win, rather than celebrate it. And it became part of the national identity – to disastrous affect. Those who embraced it became boorish, and those who didn’t shunned it as well as their homeland NZ.

And everybody has forgotten what makes the NZ identity of Rugby such an inviting thing – especially to fans travelling to NZ. That’s the easy-going free flowing nature that kids play in country towns, parks, school yards etc. It’s that grass roots level, which the NZRFU are undermining.

I love the Welsh singing and the attitude of European rugby fans in general (a welcome relief from the soccer fans). NZ needs to be a part of the culture rather than disgusting the world.
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June 21, 2009 7:20pm
llew

and I was embarrassed by the behaviour of All Blacks fans up Courtney place after the second test, and the general attitude of the fans.

Ah yeah, I was thinking of behaviour at the game. But a night out in Cardiff after a game is no different to Courtenay Place. I know what you mean though.

And you’re right about the booing, it wasn’t always here. How do we promote the silence thing! Facebook group?

But I have Welsh cousins coming in 2011 for the Rugby, they will be welcomed (just as they will welcome friends they meet here to visit Wales), and they can’t wait. And they will have a fantastic time. It is only a minority, but you’ll find them all over the world.
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June 21, 2009 7:46pm
philu

so nosty..you are sticking your hand up as ‘the dipshit lawyer’..?

..a shock of recognition there for you..

eh..?

heh..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 21, 2009 9:40pm
reid

Phil, ever since you lost very very badly indeed in the inaugural EWO contest, you’ve been bitter toward Mr Nomestradamus and taken every opportunity to attack him. You never made a point of it before that event, and the timing is striking.

It saddens me to see you’re still not over it.

It seemed important at the time phil, but please, put it in the past.

Sure, Mr Nomestradamus proved he was better than you in every way, but that’s not important. What’s more important phil is that you don’t let bitterness consume you. You don’t want to become like Hulun do you? That’s what you’re risking.
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June 21, 2009 10:08pm
Redbaiter

See where Christine Rankin is fronting the “no” campaign.

Like do these people have any kind of clue?

IMHO, Rankin will alienate the very people who would normally be voting no.

Like me.

Rankin apalls me, never more so than when she postures as some kind of “right ” winger.

Rankin wouldn’t know right wing from chicken wing.
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June 21, 2009 10:15pm
Jack5

Late in the day, but here’s a new bone. Sweden, of all countries, looks to be succeeding against drug use by taking a harder line.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/that-light-on-the-hill-is-a-swedish-beacon-20090619-cr4d.html
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June 21, 2009 10:22pm
Nomestradamus

Reid:

Ah, the inaugural EWO contest, only on Kiwiblog!

I won’t be so bold as to suggest I wiped the floor with Phil – that’s a matter for others to judge. Curious readers can start here. Phillip John/Roger Nome even makes a special cameo appearance!
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June 22, 2009 1:56am
philu

(psst..!..i think nosty fancies me..

..he colllects/collates my 4 thousand plus comments..

..i mean..it’s kinda flattering..

..in a stalker sorta way..

..but more than a little creepy..

..eh..?

..what a strange little lawyer-man he must be..eh..?

..sitting there into the night..(1.56 am)..

..sifting through my old comments..

..whoar..!

gettalife..!..nosty..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 22, 2009 7:39am
Father Ted

Get some professional help philu. You are one mucked up unit.
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June 22, 2009 7:42am
Nomestradamus

Philuseless:

..what a strange little lawyer-man he must be..eh..?

..sitting there into the night..(1.56 am)..

..sifting through my old comments..

That’s 1.56 am NZT, you dopey fuck. Oh, and I’m still waiting for a thread where you’ve “done” me (which was your original claim).
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June 22, 2009 8:08am
philu

good grief..!..an international stalker..

..get some help..nosty..

phil(whoar.co.n)
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June 22, 2009 8:42am
philu

and i see d4j is back..as father ted..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 22, 2009 8:44am
philu

“..Oh, and I’m still waiting for a thread where you’ve “done” me ..”

well..this is the freshest one..(of the many many..)

..will that do..?

phil(whoar.co.nz
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