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Chthoniid

Aah, perfect timing.

This shy girl was taken using a macro lens and a coupled 50mm prime for fairly insane levels of magnification

Possibly not for arachnophobes.
http://chthoniid.zenfolio.com/img/v0/p285711456-4.jpg
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June 19, 2009 8:30am
Chthoniid

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June 19, 2009 8:30am
petal

“The body of a missing … man lay trapped in the wreckage of his car for nearly three weeks, just metres from a busy highway used by hundreds of vehicles a day.”

WTF? “busy highway used by hundreds of vehicles a day”?

Who writes these articles? The Mayor of Haast?
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June 19, 2009 8:33am
petal

(oh dear, I’m going to get crucified for this… here goes)

“A Frenchwoman who strangled three of her newborn babies and stored two of them in the family freezer, has been sentenced to eight years in jail.”

All Blacks, Black Caps, Infant Killings. We just don’t make the grade, do we?
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June 19, 2009 8:45am
bearhunter

Chthoniid: Definitely NOT for arachnophobes. That’ll teach me to click before reading the entire post. It will take me hours to stop twitching now…
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June 19, 2009 8:48am
2The Janitor

I reckon the govt should hire the geezer giving out fake residense permits. When he organises a meeting the Immigration Dept should also attend and start the deportation of the overstayers. This will be good use of Immigrations time as they will have a large result for minimal cost as the overstayers all in the same room with their passports.
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June 19, 2009 8:51am
Brian Smaller

Janitor – that was the best second post I have read here.
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June 19, 2009 9:00am
mike12

Excellent – Mallard making a twat of himself yet again…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10579431
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June 19, 2009 9:01am
Auberon

What is it with the Government? There is a Maori conman defrauding illegal immigrants, and once again the Police do nothing. They are making a monkey out of the Government. They don’t even photgraph people attending these sales meetings. And Mr Coleman says the number of illegal immigrants has dropped by 4,000 in four years – the implication being that it is not a big issue. But that means it will be another 16 years before they’re all out – assuming no new ones come in.

The Police are vigorous in charging the great middle class for being even a small margin over the speed limit, yet people who have broken laws that carry prison sentences (overstaying/illegal working/false declarations/etc) are not considered worth pursuing, and those who feed off them like that Maori conman are beyond the law.

No wonder the Police are losing the respect of the wider public, and beware because that will shortly rub off on the employers of the Police.
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June 19, 2009 9:01am
toad

Maybe the Parliamentary Gallery pot smoker wants to be a Cabinet Minister
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June 19, 2009 9:08am
ross

And over at PA, an intelligent commenter says:

“The [referendum] question makes no sense and needs to be mentally rewritten before it can be answered. I think I’ll act as if it says ‘Should it be a crime to punch a four year old in the face or repeatedly hit a seven year old with a soup ladle?'”

Hmmmm. Clearly, this product of evolution doesn’t seem to realise that it is a crime to punch a four year old in the face or repeatedly hit a seven year old with a soup ladle. It is also a crime to lightly smack a child. The question is: should it be?
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June 19, 2009 9:09am
peterwn

Mike12 – after that showing, I very much doubt that Paula will be the second mininter to ‘resign’ despite Trevor Mallard’d best efforts.
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June 19, 2009 9:13am
toad

Mike12 said: …I very much doubt that Paula will be the second mininter to ‘resign’ …

My money’s still on Nick Smith.
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June 19, 2009 9:17am
mawm

Auberon – surely the only reason there was a reduction in overstayers is because they were rewarded with citizenship. And in 16 years there will be none bacause they will all be declared legal – even the new ones coming in.
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June 19, 2009 9:20am
Murray M

Auberon just one darky taking advantage of the stupidity of other darkys. Of course noone will be held accountable and it will be all whiteys fault.
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June 19, 2009 9:21am
Murray

Well Tevors best efforts aren’t really anything to write home about are the peter.

Poor sensitive petal that he his. Did the nasty lady lady hurt our feelings Trevor? Bit of a bloody joke you accusing people of of a breach of parliamentary privilege though don’t you think?

Note to Paula: If Trev asks for word outside, sweep the leg!
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June 19, 2009 9:22am
Murray

Toad your moneys no good here.

Same as your ideology.
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June 19, 2009 9:23am
MyNameIsJack

Some people accuse me of hating religious folks, but I don’t, especially when their stupidity provides so much humour.

A couple have taken legal action after claiming motion sensors installed at their holiday flat in Dorset breached their rights as Orthodox Jews

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/dorset/8103581.stm

That’sright, these dipsticks worship a god who didn’t invent electricity, but none the less has rules about its use.
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June 19, 2009 9:24am
Buggerlugs

Neemia Tialata hasn’t been living under a rock. The hulking All Blacks tighthead knows he has to lift his game and plans to get the ball in hand and take the bull by the horns during tomorrow’s second test against France.

He’s only a week late in waking up. If we had another tighthead he’d be at home playing PS2. And what’s with all the cliches?
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June 19, 2009 9:24am
Murray M

Bit like paying thosands of dollars to placate Taniwhas aye MNIJ
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June 19, 2009 9:27am
MyNameIsJack

Sure is Murray, but you’d never catch me doing that.

Or sending a bunch of near naked savages to lift a curse from an Embassy, either.
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June 19, 2009 9:28am
fredinthegrass

Please,please, Chthoniid NO MORE
Coffee this morning is going to be a triple shot on repeat.

Its Screaming Turtle -“a seriously dark bean that gratifies those searching for the instant kick.
Let your conscious be stirred……..enjoy the ride….if you dare!”
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June 19, 2009 9:30am
Chthoniid

bearhunter- I ruminated about linking to the bigger version but opted not to (out of sensitive concern).

Fwiw, it’s just a common, garden orbweb spider. Which in this case, makes her an Australian 🙂
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June 19, 2009 9:31am
Brian Smaller

No wonder the Police are losing the respect of the wider public, and beware because that will shortly rub off on the employers of the Police.

You national party researchers and MPs who read this blog need to take note of that statement. Your credit is rapidly running out. Make the police arrest and prosecute criminals.
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June 19, 2009 9:33am
Chthoniid

Sorry fredinthegrass-

Is anybody afraid of baby birds?
http://chthoniid.zenfolio.com/img/v2/p344750095-5.jpg

Red-crowned crane chick, Zhalong Reserve (near Qiqihar).
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June 19, 2009 9:35am
Murray

Check out jackboot: “Some people accuse me of hating religious folks, but I don’t, especially when their stupidity provides so much humour.”

Except that you do. Hell you can’t even say religious folks without calling them stupid. Meanwhile you’re the most extemist wool blind fundy subscriber to an ideology around here.
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June 19, 2009 9:37am
Inventory2

Buggerlugs asks “And what’s with all the cliches?”

Buggerlugs – it’s all our sports journalists (or journalists in general) are capable of now. Still, it makes a change for the copy and pasting of media releases.
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June 19, 2009 9:38am
bearhunter

“Fwiw, it’s just a common, garden orbweb spider”

Chthoniid: “just”? JUST??? It’s a friggin monster…The bird shot is currently calming my shattered nerves.
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June 19, 2009 9:41am
Manolo

“Devoutly religious Jews are restricted when surfing the web in case they should come across sexually explicit material.
However, Koogle, a new ‘kosher’ Hebrew-language search engine, could be set to change all of that. Yossi Altman developed the tool, which omits religiously….”

Definitive proof that religion is a curse on humanity.
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June 19, 2009 9:48am
Murray

Compared to socialism its paradise on earth.
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June 19, 2009 9:56am
MarkF

Labour have not paid another bill maybe?

http://www.thestandard.org.nz
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June 19, 2009 10:02am
Murray

Ha ha!
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June 19, 2009 10:06am
Inventory2

Good to see that someone is finally going to take up the cudgels with regard to prostate cancer – it’s a flippin’ scandal that over 600 men die from this every year, and no-one seems to care…big ups to Paul Hutchison, and hopefully it’s something that Cam Calder will push as well.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/06/good-news-for-men.html
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June 19, 2009 10:08am
Murray

In unrelated news I need some art work done for an exhibition and I can’t source the images I want. I need someone who can produce resonable portrait style images of historical figures with specific secens as background. I’m more interesting on consistancy that a high quality production. The style isn’t hugely important either, sketch, pastles, oils, burt toast mosaic whatever. Not to mention able to work failry quickly and most importantly for free. What I can offer is good exposure and full credit as the exhibtion will be going on tour for two years. There’s also a really flash little ballista model in the offing.

Drop me a line at 22adartillery AT gmail DOT com BTW I have a auto ip check so please for the usual suspects, don’t bother. I don;t even see your emails before they hit the spam shreader.

Link whoring seems to be the thing to do so why not.
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June 19, 2009 10:08am
bearhunter

I’m not sure I care for the juxtaposition of the words “prostate”, “cudgel” and “push” in the one sentence.
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June 19, 2009 10:09am
Murray

Ok anyone else think that inventory could have used better imagery than cudgles and prostates?
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June 19, 2009 10:09am
MyNameIsJack

Inventory2 (3172) Vote: 0 0 Says:

June 19th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Good to see that someone is finally going to take up the cudgels with regard to prostate cancer – it’s a flippin’ scandal that over 600 men die from this every year, and no-one seems to care

No, it isn’t really.

The facts

More men die with prostate cancer than die from prostate cancer.

The majority of prostate cancers do not develop int o life threatening versions.

The examination and treatment can cause the cancer to spread, whereas left alone it would be beinign.

The treatment can lead to serious consequences, such as incontinence, impotence and death.

Helath care decisions must be made by disinterested parties looking at all the evidence, not on emotion, or we’ll end up with another Herceptin style fuck up.
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June 19, 2009 10:16am
Inventory2

MNIJ – another fact – more men die from prostate cancer each year than women from breast and cervical cancer COMBINED.

Yet another fact – my father died FROM prostate cancer – not with it. Actually, he died from renal failure due to advanced prostatic cancer with bony metastases – so I’m biased. But I’ve also done the research.
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June 19, 2009 10:22am
Inventory2

All unpleasant references to “cudgels” and “push” were unintentional 🙂
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June 19, 2009 10:25am
Brian Smaller

MNIJ – you are not actually a male are you. Living with prostate cancer is hell – ask someone who does. The struggling to piss, the being up 20 times in the night, the effect on sex drive/life. I have several older relatives who have or have had prostate cancer and I am dreading the possibility of getting it myself – a high likelihood given genetics.

You know as well as I do that 600 women dying from anything a year gets a Pink Ribbon Day. No emotion there though.
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June 19, 2009 10:25am
Murray

Its a shame that a cancerous ideology isn’t fatal for the carrier.
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June 19, 2009 10:29am
Inventory2

Brian – thank you for understanding my point. Successive governments on both sides of the political fence have made decisions which have rendered a sector of the population as “expendable”. Elderly men don’t have the same political clout as women of childbearing age. And prostates are treated as something of a joke.

Guys, prostate cancer is NO joke, and it’s a killer. And with an ageing population, it’s only going to become more prevalent.
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June 19, 2009 10:31am
Whafe

Trevor Mallard, do hope you are reading this…… You are nothing more than pond scum, am I surprised at your latest little very very mature out burst? no, but it does reinforce that you are a waste fo space….
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June 19, 2009 10:32am
philu

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/night-of-the-living-neocons/

heh..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 19, 2009 10:35am
bharmer

My favourite “flame” of all time was applied to a well known local who was convinced that expenditure on breast screening was disproportionate in relation to expenditure on prostate screening, and that it was all part of the great feminist conspiracy (TM). He was told he would never have to worry about prostate cancer because where he had his head, he would see it coming.
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June 19, 2009 10:37am
Ryan Sproull

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6927359.stm

Broccoli is good.
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June 19, 2009 10:38am
Inventory2

Where’s MNIJ gone? Can’t handle honesty, I guess 😉
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June 19, 2009 10:42am
Auberon

In unrelated news I need someone to build me a dry stone wall, in the style of the Yorkshire Dales, and to sweep up the leaves in my yard. I’m interested in consistancy and a high quality production. Not to mention able to work fairly quickly and most importantly for free. What I can offer is good exposure, full credit and a resident’s stamp in your passport.
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June 19, 2009 10:42am
Murray

Broccoli is despised througout the galaxy!
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June 19, 2009 10:42am
Murray

Wait, thats brussle sprouts… I appologise. Carry on.
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June 19, 2009 10:42am
burt

MNIJ clearly still thinks the world revolves around Helen Clark. The twit didn’t notice that a fresh faced polled better in her electorate than she ever did. Poor MNIJ – he will wake up one day and wonder what changed.
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June 19, 2009 10:44am
Chthoniid

I like broccoli.
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June 19, 2009 10:44am
Murray

Auberon when the walls built drop me a line, I’ll smash that puppy for you in no time.

Not really into exposure, so keep your pants on thanks.
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June 19, 2009 10:44am
Auberon

You’re a sweet man with a fine sense of humour Murray.
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June 19, 2009 10:47am
Brian Smaller

Where’s MNIJ gone? Can’t handle honesty, I guess

To be fair she may be at work.
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June 19, 2009 11:00am
Chthoniid

and in other news

@bearhunter

Chthoniid: “just”? JUST??? It’s a friggin monster…The bird shot is currently calming my shattered nerves.

Seriously tiny, all cute and furry like, sleeping in a ball. Just like a kitten really.

We have much, much larger things that come out at night in the NZ bush.

I’m afraid my concept of dangerous animals has developed out of being around 4-5 metre long crocodiles, or tigers, rather than bug-like creatures you can well, squash like a bug…
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June 19, 2009 11:01am
TimG_Oz

A couple of religion related posts that I might comment on:

Firstly MNIJ – Surely this must be a slow news day at BBC. This looks like any other neighbourhood dispute, except that it involves religious Jews. A couple of things Jack neglected:

Dr Coleman and her husband offered to pay for an override switch as a compromise but Embassy Court Management Company rejected this and the couple took legal advice

So they actually offered to pay for a switch that overrides (presumably one day a week) – this is what usually happens in these cases. Sounds a bit strange that such an offer would be rejected- what would the company have against such an offer??

And then Manolo bizarrely suggests regarding a website created to meet a market niche:

Definitive proof that religion is a curse on humanity.

Hey nobody’s being forced to use this website. Surely if people choose to use this, or say a NetNanny type of software because they don’t want to see porn – it’s their choice. It sounds like an inventive business opportunity targeting a specific market…

No different than those that “believe” in Global Warming are encouraged to use “Blackle” rather than google to save the planet
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June 19, 2009 11:03am
Brian Smaller

Broccoli is despised througout the galaxy!

and

Wait, thats brussle sprouts… I appologise. Carry on.

That is because you have never had them prepared properly. Probably only boiled or steamed to death.

Brocolli is also good because it is incredibly easy to grow in the garden. We live on the stuff. Thanks Ryan for the link.
With broc try peeling the thick stalks, cutting them up and using them in stir fry. Tastes great – different flavour to the heads and most people just throw them out.
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June 19, 2009 11:04am
MyNameIsJack

Inventory2 (3176) Vote: 1 1 Says:

June 19th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Where’s MNIJ gone? Can’t handle honesty, I guess

Still here, but i come and go as work dictates, I can’t sit on my fat arse all day, browsing kiwiblog and sucking on the taxpayer tit like you IV.

I don’t deny prostate cancer is real for many men, I am just questioning wether or not this latest attempt to push shit uphill uis the wisest use of scare health resources.

I ask the same questions about IVF, and about hip replacements for the elderly.

Of course, one should keep in mind that a preventative for prostate problems is reular and frequent ejaculations
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June 19, 2009 11:05am
MyNameIsJack

Tim, their offer to pay for an over ride is not the issue; the issue is their desire to impose thier religion on everyone else.

If they want to follow a desert myth, maybe they’d be better off living in a desert.
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June 19, 2009 11:08am
bharmer

# Inventory2 (3175) Vote: Add rating 2 Subtract rating 0 Says:
June 19th, 2009 at 10:22 am

MNIJ – another fact – more men die from prostate cancer each year than women from breast and cervical cancer COMBINED.

Yet another fact – my father died FROM prostate cancer – not with it. Actually, he died from renal failure due to advanced prostatic cancer with bony metastases – so I’m biased. But I’ve also done the research.

I don’t think that’s true.
Most large scale stats tend to be a bit dated, but in the US at least, the 2002 stats say 39,600 women died of breast cancer and another 26,200 died of ovarian and other reproductive system cancers … 65,800 in total. Prostate deaths in the same period were 30,200, well under half.

Department of Stats in NZ have temporarily withdrawn their figures while they rejig them (What the?) but I would be very surprised if the ratio was hugely different.
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June 19, 2009 11:13am
bearhunter

Whatever about broccoli, I am 100% behind the Royal Navy when it comes to Brussels sprouts. The Devil’s vegetable, indeed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2009/jun/16/british-navy-sprout-ban
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June 19, 2009 11:13am
KiwiGreg

I like broccoli, cauliflower is better, but sprouts are Satan’s food.
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June 19, 2009 11:25am
KiwiGreg

What I cant get over is Brits who wont eat swedes, turnips or parsnips (pig food) and Americans who think the only use for pumpkin (apart from Jack’O’Lanterns) is to make dessert pies.
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June 19, 2009 11:26am
TimG_Oz

their desire to impose thier religion on everyone else

Jack – I disagree. An override switch is not a religious item. They get fitted in similar circumstances all around the world, and nobody is any the wiser. By requesting to install one they aren’t “imposing”. By the same token – the company that installed the sensors, without consulting would be guilty of “imposing” on the Jews.

Jews, by their own religion are unlike other religions that they don’t look to convert people to their faith. I’m sure that if the other residents were to cook pork, eat meat and milk, work on Saturdays etc etc, the Jews wouldn’t give a hoot.
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June 19, 2009 11:27am
bharmer

Apologies Inventory2, when I said “I don’t think that’s true” I meant to refer only to the assertion about breast and cervical cancer, not the bit about your father.
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June 19, 2009 11:29am
Manolo

“..I am 100% behind the Royal Navy when it comes to Brussels sprouts. The Devil’s vegetable, indeed.”

Heresy!

Brussels sprouts boiled for three minutes until slighltly soft, then sprinkled with salt, fresh-milled black pepper, and drizzled with extra-virgin olive oil. Food for the gods.
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June 19, 2009 11:29am
MyNameIsJack

TimG_Oz (194) Vote: 0 0 Says:

June 19th, 2009 at 11:27 am
their desire to impose thier religion on everyone else

Jack – I disagree. An override switch is not a religious item.

it is a religious item if the only reason for fitting it is to satisfy a religious request.

As i said, if they want to worship a cave dwelling god, go be cave dwellers themselves.
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June 19, 2009 11:34am
Ryan Sproull

Steamed broccoli with a kind of peanut satay is very good. Japanese restaurants often do it.
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June 19, 2009 11:34am
alex Masterley

I was about to burst into print in support of brussell sprouts when i saw Manolos post. well said. swedes and turnips on the other hand, only fit for animal fodder.
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June 19, 2009 11:35am
Rakaia George

KiwiGreg – eh? Do what? I don’t know any self respecting Englishman who would consider a Christmas dinner complete without roast parsnips and a hotpot without turnips is just wrong…I’ve also loved “fairy cabbages” since I was little boy.

BTW, why is it that whenever you see “Soup of the Day” on a menu in this country, it’s always pumpkin? Don’t you know how to make soup from anything else?
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June 19, 2009 11:38am
Murray

Yeah worshiping Marx and Stalin is so much better.
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June 19, 2009 11:39am
TimG_Oz

Ah Jack how authoritarian – You are more guilty than those you accuse. It’s like you are saying “Everybody MUST conform with my (non) beliefs or go live in a cave”. Surely such a simple thing (at no cost to anybody else), and everybody lives together in harmony. You seem so offended by a little switch!!

When the PNCC installed a crucifix on the top of the Clock tower in Palmerston North Square With public Money who is imposing religion on who?
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June 19, 2009 11:45am
llew

Mmmm brussels sprouts! Maybe it’s because I associate them with Christmas dinners. Broad beans too 🙂
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June 19, 2009 11:45am
bearhunter

Manolo, I’m sorry but I would honestly rather eat my own scrotum than chomp down on a sprout.

And I can’t speak for the Brits, but in Ireland turnips were a staple along with cabbage and spuds. Swede and pumpkin however are only fit for animal fodder. We used to feed them to pigs, which is why our bacon tastes better than the NZ variety…
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June 19, 2009 11:45am
bharmer

DPF, Im not complaining you understand, but looking at today’s diverse threads, I fear that Kiwiblog has transformed itself to become nz.general 🙂
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June 19, 2009 11:50am
MyNameIsJack

TimG_Oz (195) Vote: 0 1 Says:

June 19th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Ah Jack how authoritarian – You are more guilty than those you accuse. It’s like you are saying “Everybody MUST conform with my (non) beliefs or go live in a cave”. Surely such a simple thing (at no cost to anybody else),

The sensors were installed to save energy AND MONEY, therefore the over ride switch will impose a cost, or are the jews also going to pay the increased power bill?

At no point did I say anyone must agree with me or live in a cave, I simply sufggested that cave living would be more compatible with their beliefs.

No idea what a PNCC is, but I would oppose that as well, as public money is for public purposes and religion is nota public good. So what’s your point?
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June 19, 2009 11:55am
stephen

“DPF, Im not complaining you understand, but looking at today’s diverse threads, I fear that Kiwiblog has transformed itself to become nz.general”

‘ee’s off on some island innit
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June 19, 2009 11:55am
bearhunter

Tim G: PNCC was dominated by a fundamentalist Christian Taleban at the time. It was God’s work, clearly.
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June 19, 2009 11:59am
TimG_Oz

Dude – you are clutching at straws. The amount of money saved is not described in the article, but is probably negligible – but here is how these switches work:

For 6 days of the week – light sensors work as normal.
For 1 day of the week – light runs on a timer. Arguably just the lights around the associated family’s unit. I am not an electrician – but lets say a conservative estimate that it’s 12-16 hours of light per week on 4 80 Watt bulbs.

I am sure that they would have no problem paying for the associated cost. Given they don’t use petrol on that one-day a week, I’m sure they would be able to afford it.

[BTW – PNCC = Palmerston North City Council]
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June 19, 2009 12:09pm
Murray

And hes off on his Jews rant again. Certainly does seem to have a bur up his ass.
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June 19, 2009 12:14pm
Brian Smaller

Manolo, I’m sorry but I would honestly rather eat my own scrotum than chomp down on a sprout.

Now at the risk of sounding odd, I would probably pay money to see that – out of a sense of mordbid curiosity (you know the one that makes you read the first line of a Philu comment).
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June 19, 2009 12:16pm
llew

which is why our bacon tastes better than the NZ variety…

I read somewhere thta about 50% of our bacon comes from Canada (and very few bacon packets say anything other than “Made from local and imported ingredients”), so it’s hard to tell. Canada’s pig farming techniques make ours look benign apparently, if that matters to you.
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June 19, 2009 12:20pm
Buggerlugs

Mayor Kerry Prendergast has banned Councillor Rob Goulden from attending this afternoon’s meeting, saying police will be called if he turns up. It follows a series of disruptions by the councillor yesterday, culminating when he uttered a profanity and walked out after taking exception to a comment made by another councillor.

Why do Wellingtonians keep electing this moron? I went toe to toe with him at Dockside a coupla years ago when he was hassling some little guy and he’s not so tough when someone stands up to him. He’s always been a disruptive influence at Council (whwen he bothers to show up)
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June 19, 2009 12:25pm
Murray

Just say no to druged trolls Brian.
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June 19, 2009 12:51pm
Ryan Sproull

or are the jews also going to pay the increased power bill?

The who now?
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June 19, 2009 12:56pm
medusa

Most NZ bacon is horrible ……. heavily oversmoked with manuka which destroys any natural taste of bacon, are they trying to hide something by using manuka smoke? Haven’t they heard of cured bacon (unsmoked) or at least a milder smoke agent? Danish bacon was always delicious, just like their Lurpak butter (expensive but you get what you pay for)
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June 19, 2009 1:00pm
Brian Smaller

Medusa – try pancetta if you can afford it – beautiful to cook with and such flavour – as you say – not smoked but salt cured.
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June 19, 2009 1:04pm
MyNameIsJack

great article in this week’s Listener about John Key’s next train wreck Paula “unable to read anything more than 50 words long” Bennet.
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June 19, 2009 1:17pm
MyNameIsJack

Ryan, do you have a problem with jews being referred to as jews?
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June 19, 2009 1:19pm
MyNameIsJack

A sensible jew writes on the religious dolts.

As long as they are not physically doing the act of turning the light on, it’s actually not against the rules. They should not be putting the onus on their neighbours to change. It’s a bit arrogant really. It’s an embarrassment, it’s giving reasonable Jews a bad name.

Leslie Bunder, the editor the Jewish community website somethingjewish.com
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June 19, 2009 1:23pm
Inventory2

MNIJ – are you confirming that Bennett is next in line for Phil’s dirty tricks? You’d think he’d have learned from the spectacular failure of the Neelam Choudary honey-trap.

To those who prefer context, Bennett in the same article (which I just read over lunch) confirms that MNIJ’s “allegations” are but an urban myth – she has, however, told bureaucrats to speak in plain English, not jargon.
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June 19, 2009 1:24pm
MyNameIsJack

And let’s hope their home never catches on fire, they’d have to let it burn down, as putting out a fire is another forbidden activity. So, if we let them have their way on the lights, will they also prevent firemen extinguishing a blaze and thus cause the loss of their neighbours’property?
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June 19, 2009 1:27pm
KiwiGreg

@Rakaia – in fairness my only real experience of those comments was with my brothers in-laws who are in fact UK pig farmers
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June 19, 2009 1:27pm
Ryan Sproull

Ryan, do you have a problem with jews being referred to as jews?

No, sorry. I lost track of what was being discussed. Apologies.
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June 19, 2009 1:33pm
Murray

Its spelt Jews.

Or are you simply willing to demonstrate that in spite of your protestations to the contrary that you are simply an anti-Semite. You display no other comparable inability to capitalise. As always your actions give you away.
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June 19, 2009 1:35pm
MyNameIsJack

tha’s cool.

So, how much is a song worth? $2? $5? $100?

How about US$80,000?

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/music-pirate-fined-24m-20090619-cn4u.html

Thank bytes for the Pirate Bay chappies

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/download-pirates-to-launch-new-weapon-20090617-ch6c.html
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June 19, 2009 1:37pm
TimG_Oz

MNIJ – how many times are you going to change your position??

Post 1 – [Not really clear what he was saying other than Jews are idiots]
Post 2 & 3 – They are imposing their religion on others [refuted]
Post 4 – They are wasting other peoples money [refuted]
Post 5 – Another Jew disagrees with the the rules … Well, duh! welcome to the world of “2 Jews – 3 Opinions”. So what – you think it should go to a Rabbinic court before it goes to a tenants tribunal?

Why can’t you just be respectful and tolerant of other people’s beliefs?? Then these disputes would never happen

Like I said – there are lots of precedents for this kind of situation all over the world, that don’t end up in court because everybody respects each other’s position.
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June 19, 2009 1:37pm
MyNameIsJack

get over yourself muzza. I also write god, is that OK, or do I need your approval for that, too?

Jew. jew. All the same, desert myth adherents, inability to think for themselves, killers of children in Palestine.
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June 19, 2009 1:40pm
Murray

“Why can’t you just be respectful and tolerant of other people’s beliefs?”

Because hes a fucking socialist, good god what blog have you been reading Tim?
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