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June 16, 2009 9:50am by David Farrar

General Debate 16 June 2009

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Viking2

Police cars going!! Yeh well that will be Crusher Collins getting in some practice won’t it. Perhaps she is going to let them have the boy racer cars to run around in.

For those that voted for the National Socialists don’t stop complaining for another 2.5 years at which time we will allow you to vote with logic and for principle and vote for ACT. If you had this time we would still have the tax cuts and so on. You all know what we could have had, so stop moaning, take your medicine and get better for the next election if you survive the piggy flu. ( Muldoon’s legacy.) The only Nat. Minister to look like he is going anywhere is Ryall and he has the toughest portfolio of them all.
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June 16, 2009 6:39pm
Hump

TV3’s owner is hurting right now. I can think of a couple of areas where they could make some cost savings.
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June 16, 2009 7:28pm
Banana Llama

Our country is heading towards an ideological split, hope it doesn’t go that way but when politicians and the so called intellectuals flat out ignore the populace it is only going to end one way.
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June 16, 2009 7:47pm
getstaffed

racer1 is the kind of person who screams “narrow minded bigots” at Christians but finds it’s a-ok to spew “beady eyed, creepy handed christains like yourself bashing the shit out of children, then lying to the public”. my advice: get some help.
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June 16, 2009 7:49pm
racer1

At least I don’t believe in fairies.
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June 16, 2009 8:57pm
Hurf Durf

Of course you do, racer. You believe in socialist economics.
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June 16, 2009 8:57pm
Shunda barunda

“Of course you do, racer. You believe in socialist economics.”

😀
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June 16, 2009 9:07pm
jackp

I applaud Rodney Hide for not thumbing his nose to the people of New Zealand like the rest. Parliament is suppose to represent the voters instead what this anti-smacking referendum points out is Parliament knows what is best for the people. The tail is wagging the dog. To say this is ambiguous to protect mp’s discusts me. Plus, the people of New Zealand want it on and to say it is a waste of 8 million while the government squanders billions each year is another slap in the face. I am not voting National next time, I am going with Act.
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June 16, 2009 9:15pm
racer1

You lot believe in made up shit. It is as simple as that. People like you should not be taken seriously, in fact I just cannot see why you are. This society tolerates far to much crank craziness. You guys believe in fairies FFS.
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June 16, 2009 9:25pm
Hurf Durf

Sorry to disappoint you, racer, but I’m an atheist. I haven’t practiced the religion I was baptised into in my life. Get over it.
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June 16, 2009 9:27pm
toad

jackp – you are just plain wrong. Democracy is not meant to be about the tyranny of the majority and the exclusion of the minority (however you may define them on whatever issue). It is about everyone being able to have an input to public policy, and about an attempting to achieve a consensus political direction.

That’s what is good (or at least should, be good) about MMP. If Labour and National could just get over their “born to rule” attitudes, it could work well.
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June 16, 2009 9:29pm
Banana Llama

It is either a Tyranny of the majority or Tyranny of the minority Toad.
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June 16, 2009 9:40pm
Hurf Durf

Toad: “If Labour and National could just get over their “born to rule” attitudes, it could work well.”

In other words, “bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww y dunt u giv us greenies sum more tastee power n stuff.”
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June 16, 2009 9:42pm
theodoresteel

My parents never hit me; or my 4 siblings. None of us have had any trouble with the law. Two of us are univeristy students doing honours degrees – both planning on working in the private sector when we graduate (ie “real” life experince). I am more right wing than John Key…. Pretty much I think I don’t have any problems as far as you pro-smacking nutjobs are concerned. Apart from maybe not having been hit as a kid and the strong belief that physical discipline is completely unecessary in raising a child.
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June 16, 2009 9:50pm
Tuija

Toad says “It is about everyone being able to have an input to public policy, and about an attempting to achieve a consensus political direction.”

Banana Llama replies It is either a Tyranny of the majority or Tyranny of the minority Toad

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In other words, “bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww y dunt u giv us greenies sum more tastee power n stuff.”

Toad me old green chum, I have got a feeling that they don’t understand what consensus decision making process is
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June 16, 2009 9:50pm
getstaffed

Toad me old green chum, I have got a feeling that they don’t understand what consensus decision making process is

That’s rich coming from a watermelon. How much consensus was involved in s59, light bulbs, tuck shops, showers, family size limits and a myriad of other socialist control-freak initiatives? None. Zip. Just pursuit of a failed ideology that demands individuals bow down and worship at the alter of an all powerful state.
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June 16, 2009 10:02pm
Banana Llama

Tuija old chum, i don’t think you understand.
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June 16, 2009 10:02pm
Shunda barunda

“Apart from maybe not having been hit as a kid and the strong belief that physical discipline is completely unecessary in raising a child.”

For some kids it is unecessary, you are obviously one of them, no one is sugesting smacking is a one stop shop for all discipline.
Personally, all the parents I have met that don’t smack their kids have violent uncontrollable children. I have yet to meet a single example of that approch being succesfull, you may be the first.
Give us a call back when you have your own kids and a bit more life experience.
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June 16, 2009 10:17pm
Hurf Durf

Consensus decision making = “bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww giv us moar attenshun woo muvver gaia woo soo bradphed”

No thank you.
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June 16, 2009 10:18pm
jackp

Toad, there isn’t anything better than a referendum to give public impute. Why you think this is undemocratic is puzzling. When you truly look at the reason the anti-smacking law came into being, has nothing to do with democracy, only politicking. Fields is the reason and Labour made a deal with the greens and sue bradford. National watered the bill down and sue bradford was against this otherwise there would be more criminal parents than the one in Christchurch and I truly feel sorry for that man and his family. What a waste of life and time and $$$$. For what? For Labour to gain a majority. Democracy, don’t think so and I think this was an issue that certainly helped them loose the last election. The politicians are thumbing their noses at us, the taxpayer and voters. There should be binding referendums to give politicians a reality check. This is democracy. Another form of true democracy is to ban lobbying. I won’t get into that.
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June 16, 2009 10:46pm
llew

How much consensus was involved in s59, light bulbs, tuck shops, showers, family size limits and a myriad of other socialist control-freak initiatives?

Erm… in the real world only two of those things came to be Getstaffed, one has been rescinded, the other is being debated again. This is hardly tyrannical.
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June 16, 2009 11:27pm
llew

Toad, there isn’t anything better than a referendum to give public impute.

Did you mean input? Impute almost works better. 🙂
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June 16, 2009 11:31pm
racer1

Family size limits?! give me a break.
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June 17, 2009 12:24am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

No Kit Kat for you!!
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June 17, 2009 3:15am

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