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May 13, 2009 10:09am by David Farrar

George Galloway interview

I recommend people watch this interview as the loathsome George Galloway gets dealt to.

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George Galloway

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TCrwdb

Keep digging George
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May 13, 2009 10:40am
Murray

God this guy is repulsive.
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May 13, 2009 10:52am
dimmocrazy

Hehe
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May 13, 2009 10:54am
Auberon

Like John Campbell with a beard!
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May 13, 2009 11:08am
Murray

John Campbell is a politican being financed by Arabs?

Who knew!
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May 13, 2009 11:09am
NOt1tocommentoften

Damn – as much as I don’t like this guy I wish Sainsbury could be a little more opionated at times. Rather than simply smiling and moving on to the next question… god he’s rubbish.
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May 13, 2009 11:17am
stephen

Thanks for nothing David that was painful!
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May 13, 2009 11:44am
kiwi in america

The same George Galloway who fawned and grovelled his thanks to Saddam Hussein and was implicated in receiving Oil for Food bribes via his so-called charity.

He is an odious apologist for radical Islam. Rabbis don’t say that all Muslims should be killed and even the most right wing evangelical ministers do not call for the killing of gays.
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May 13, 2009 12:47pm
MajorBloodnok

I thought it was a very perceptive interview… for those who want a role model for how to deal with an obnoxious interviewer pushing their own agenda.
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May 13, 2009 12:56pm
Biomag83

George Galloway is a typical bleeding heart liberal that really whos values will be a victim of goal displacement.
Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe at the moment, The demographics of Europe and there projections are scray. Does Galloway really think that such an increase in muslims in his country ( Where Sharia law has been developed) will help bring about a liberal society?
This is about the survival of Western civilisation
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May 13, 2009 12:58pm
Ryan Sproull

even the most right wing evangelical ministers do not call for the killing of gays.

Uh…
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May 13, 2009 1:00pm
Ryan Sproull

George Galloway is a typical bleeding heart liberal that really whos values will be a victim of goal displacement.
Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe at the moment, The demographics of Europe and there projections are scray. Does Galloway really think that such an increase in muslims in his country ( Where Sharia law has been developed) will help bring about a liberal society?
This is about the survival of Western civilisation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
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May 13, 2009 1:04pm
Ratbiter

Oh dear!

(1)
Before Galloway insinuated the filmed story was pandering to anti-islam feeling, he might have at least tried to acknowledge the worth of the content before diverting into “But what about the [Christians/Jews]?” etc. It is as if Galloway doubts the veracity of any of the on-camera statements but he is unwilling to say so in as many words.

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Sad to see an ageing grey-headed professional journo get so utterly tied up in knots trying to draw obviously fallacious comparisons between the contents of the old testament and the current on-camera statements of the other guy’s radical Muslim interviewees.

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And now we’re trumpeting this as some sort of triumph for – what exactly? Is this proof that you can’t trust those foreign-looking people, all Muslims are terrorists and any whiteys who speak up for them are traitors? No doubt someone will be along soon to tell us that all western liberals hate their own culture.

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Far from the action as we are, let us not forget that there is a big anti-Muslim groundswell in the UK, largely based on the idea that all Muslims are terrorists and personal friends of Osama bin Laden, and every week there’s another “SCOOP – Muslims want to kill us all!” story that panders to their viewing pleasure.
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May 13, 2009 1:10pm
Jack5

Galloway could put on a top hat and pole vault under a snake.

Ratbiter (1.10 post) : what the hell are you doing pandering to Islamic fundamentalists? I thought there was modicum of reason in your postings from time to time.

And that Scotch git Galloway is no liberal. He’s just another one of the far lefties who, with the near death of their beloved Marxism, have cottoned on to 8th century-today Islamic fundamentalism.

If you were in Iran, Ratbiter, and posting on an Iranian blog, the religious police would have come for you long ago.
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May 13, 2009 1:16pm
ephemera

@Biomag83

George Galloway isn’t actually a ‘typical’ bleeding heart liberal. He was drummed out of the British Labour Party.

I spent two years living in Whitechapel, where Galloway is the constituency MP for the far left Respect party. The demographics of the area are overwhelmingly muslim – it is where the Bangladeshi community is based. If you’ve ever eaten a curry on the famous Brick Lane, you were sitting on Galloway’s turf. This is a particular London setting, and revels nothing about the wider situation in Britain (or, as you put it, the fate of civilisation).

Some of Galloway’s supporters argue that he is representing a constituency – that of very dogmatic British muslims, who would agree with his output. However, rather than damning the man, this argument damns an entire community.

Galloway’s true problem is that he is a fucking useless local MP. Instead of attending to his community’s needs, he appears on Celebrity Big Brother, drops in on his buddy Fidel, and mugs around the media (who are only to keen to film his every utterance). I hope that the residents of Stepney see sense and vote him out in the next election. Then they will get someone who they deserve, and Galloway will lose a platform from which to spout his idiocy).
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May 13, 2009 1:23pm
Ratbiter

“The lefties this…” “the Muslims that…” “In Iran the religious police such & such…”

It is this willingness to pidgeonhole whole groups that worries us on the left Jack5. It reminds us of one A. Hitler: “The Jews were responsible for the (1914-18) war…”

(There, now you’ve made me go and play the Hitler card!)
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May 13, 2009 1:24pm
Ryan Sproull

(There, and now you’ve made me go and play the Hitler card!)

The argument is over. Ratbiter loses. Everyone go home.
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May 13, 2009 1:26pm
Murray

No one MADE you do dick rat.

But thanks for showing us where your heads at.
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May 13, 2009 1:28pm
Anatolie

The guy is a absolut idiot. Maybee he is takin lots of drugs
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May 13, 2009 1:29pm
Ratbiter

Smile, Murray, it makes people wonder what you’ve been up to!

🙂
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May 13, 2009 1:33pm
Grizz

Doesn’t this man have a blog on The Standard?
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May 13, 2009 1:36pm
Murray

He has no standards.
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May 13, 2009 1:44pm
Auberon

Which makes him perfectly qualified for Grizz’s suggestion!
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May 13, 2009 1:47pm
Jack5

Ratbiter at 1.24 plays the Hitler card…

Yep Rattie, and Hitler led the National SOCIALIST Party. Not surprising how the Nazis quickly switched support to the Red Stasi in the new East Germany.

Some big time Muslims from the Middle East actively worked for Hitler. too, such as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Mohammad Amin al-Husayni.
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May 13, 2009 1:53pm
Murray

And the Muslims who volunteered and formed a substantial unit for the Nazis.
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May 13, 2009 1:57pm
sonic

The nazis were muslim communists?

The things you find out on this blog, you couldn’t get this stuff anywhere else!
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May 13, 2009 2:17pm
LabourDoesntWork

The more Muslims in Europe the more European countries will come to resemble Islamic ones. Not a “slippery slope” at all… Muhammedism has long since taken over the Arab countries and turned them into stagnant backwaters, stupid. Multiculturalism=cultural suicide.
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May 13, 2009 2:25pm
ephemera

@LabourDoesntWork

I would happily like to refute what you are saying, but you aren’t providing any evidence to back your assertion up with.
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May 13, 2009 2:38pm
Captain Crab

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_(1st_Croatian)

There you go sonic. Muslim nazis. I glad you admit you are here so we can enlighten you.
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May 13, 2009 2:39pm
Murray

Don’t wrestle with a pig captain, you both get covered in crap but the pig likes it.
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May 13, 2009 2:41pm
Brian Smaller

Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Mohammad Amin al-Husayni spent almost the entire war in Germany living on the largesse of the Nazis. I think his only beef with Hitler was that he only got 6 million Jews. Muslim hatred of Jews goes back way beyond Israel’s victory over the Arabs in 67 and 73.
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May 13, 2009 2:42pm
Lawrence Hakiwai

Does everything have to be about “lefties” or “muslims”. Can’t this just be a good laugh at the expense of an idiot.

Thanks for posting the video David.
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May 13, 2009 2:43pm
sonic

Nice logic Captain, some Muslims were Nazis=All Nazis were Muslims!

Of course the vast majority of fascists were, and indeed are, Christians, but when have you ever let silly old facts get in the way eh captain C!

On Galloway, I’ve not got a lot of time for him myself, however he was right about Iraq.
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May 13, 2009 3:25pm
stephen

Nice logic Captain, some Muslims were Nazis=All Nazis were Muslims!

You must be from the island of Lol Wut.
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May 13, 2009 3:36pm
Jack5

Sonic (2.17 and 3.25pm posts) follows his usual debating tactics of extending another poster’s argument then chopping off the extension. Feeble, shallow, and very transparent.

No-one above argued, as Sonic implies they did, that because some Muslims were Nazi all Nazis were Muslims. A tad arrogant don’t you think, Sonic, to suggest that other Kiwiblog posters are ignorant about such syllogisms.

Then Sonic suggests the majority of fascists were and are Christians. Where is your evidence Sonic? Do you have no general knowledge whatsoever beyond the Greenie-Leftie drivel traded with your comrades?Don’t you know that in the SS, the elite of the Nazis, Christian ceremonies such as church weddings and christenings were banned. The Nazis were into a return to paganism.

Al Qaeda, Wahhabism, and the Muslim Brotherhood are more fascist that most of the German Nazis and Italian fascists were.

And your assertion that Galloway was right about Iraq. Do you mean by accepting money from Saddam?
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May 13, 2009 3:39pm
sonic

Jack,, Jack, Jack. You really have no sense of humour do you. Ridiculing stupidity is all part of debate you know.

Lets look at Fascism, it arose in Italy (a christian nation in case you did not know) and if you look at nations with large fascist movements were do you find them. You ask for evidence of the bleeding obvious.

As for “Al Qaeda, Wahhabism, and the Muslim Brotherhood are more fascist that most of the German Nazis and Italian fascists were.” well thats just nuts to be honest, the murder of 6 million Jewish people is somehow “less fascist” that Islamic fundamentalism?

I’d go and have a wee lie down Jack, you have clearly lost the plot.

As for Galloway, he said Iraq had no WMD’s and the war would be a disaster. What part of that was he wrong about?
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May 13, 2009 3:46pm
Jack5

Your humour isn’t obvious in your earlier posts. Your implication, when your argument was challenged, that it was just humour, is just more sophistry.

Your defence of Al Qaeda, Wahhabism, and the Muslim Brotherhood is weak. Not only did they support the holocaust but they would like to repeat the genocide, this time in Israel.

You didn’t answer my question:”…your assertion that Galloway was right about Iraq. Do you mean by accepting money from Saddam?”

And lay off the ad hominem crap Sonic, if you want debate.
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May 13, 2009 3:51pm
sonic

“Your defence of Al Qaeda, Wahhabism, and the Muslim Brotherhood is weak”

Perhaps because I never made one. However to assert that the Nazis murder of 6 million Jewish people (and uncounted millions of gays, disabled people, socialists and gypsies) is somehow less “fascist” than the Muslim Brotherhood is so far off the rails it defies belief.

As for Galloway, you ignored my question why was that?, it’s never been proved GG got money from Saddam, indeed he has won vast sums of money in libel damages from newspapers he said he did. I merely said he turned out to be right about the consequences of invading Iraq, a point you just ignore.
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May 13, 2009 3:55pm
Jack5

Sonic:

What the hell does this mean in your 3.55 post: “…to assert that the Nazis murder of 6 million Jewish people (and uncounted millions of gays, disabled people, socialists and gypsies) is somehow less “fascist” than the Muslim Brotherhood is so far off the rails it defies belief.”

I didn’t say anything near that, and I don’t see any other poster saying it apart from you.

Good on you for sticking up for the gassed gays, disabled people, and gypsies though. But as for the “socialists”, the National Socialists were applying the gas.
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May 13, 2009 4:01pm
Jack5

For anyone wanting to read more about “Georgeous George” Galloway, here are three links including to Wikipedia.

Note that at age 23 Galloway promised “to devote the rest of my life to the Palestinian and Arab cause, whatever the consequences”. Note also that in In 1981, Galloway wrote an article in Scottish Marxist supporting Communist Party affiliation with the Labour Party.

The links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Galloway

http://news.scotsman.com/georgegalloway/The-rise-and-fall-and.2585112.jp

http://news.scotsman.com/georgegalloway/39It39s-irrational-and-idiotic39-.5095458.jp
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May 13, 2009 4:13pm
sonic

“I didn’t say anything near that”

Do you remember writing this Jackie?

“Al Qaeda, Wahhabism, and the Muslim Brotherhood are more fascist that most of the German Nazis and Italian fascists were.”

I think we can stop taking you at all seriously, as you clearly are suffering from some sort of odd memory loss.
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May 13, 2009 4:20pm
Ratbiter

Oh well… anyone who actually reads my 1:10 will be able to see that I tried to offer a bit of analysis on what Galloway said.

My mistake, it seems everyone else here is more interested in just slagging off filthy f*cking Muslim sympathisers…
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May 13, 2009 4:38pm
Murray

Chronic is Galloways pimp apprently.

It figures, one caledonian git shilling for another.
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May 13, 2009 4:50pm
Jack5

Sonic:So it wasn’t a misprint in your 3.55 post: You seem to be saying that the Nazis’ crimes were at least as fascist as the Muslim Brotherhood etc (see clip from Sonic post below **)…

I was talking about ideology, and Sonic brought in the National SOCIALISTS’ crimes. Sonic, you twisted the quote. If you were at a political meeting you’d have been ejected as a blithering, incoherent drunk. Rightly so.

Given your grandiose requisition of the word “we” to pronounce the alleged opinion of posters to this blog, I can clearly see that those you describe you as a troller and leftist nuisance poster are correct.

Who actually are the “we” apart from the handful of far leftists who reappear between being barred?

The fact that DPF suffers rabid, babbling, twisting, left-wingers on Kiwiblog is testimony to DPF’s liberalism and patience. I would long ago have had Sonic psychiatrically assessed and checked for gun ownership.

**Sonic’s 3.55 post “…to assert that the Nazis murder of 6 million Jewish people (and uncounted millions of gays, disabled people, socialists and gypsies) is somehow less “fascist” than the Muslim Brotherhood is so far off the rails it defies belief.”
(Note again: good on Sonic for sticking up for gays, disabled people, and gypsies, but National SOCIALISTS were applying the gas.)
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May 13, 2009 4:52pm
sonic

Good old Murray, bringing good sense and his fabulous wit to every thread he appears on.

What would we do without Murray and his wonderful insights!
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May 13, 2009 4:53pm
sonic

Jack, it’s difficult to make any sense of that rant, but are you denying writing this?

“Al Qaeda, Wahhabism, and the Muslim Brotherhood are more fascist that most of the German Nazis and Italian fascists were.”

I quoted the sentence in full, I don’t see how I “twisted” it.

Also while we are on the subject do you remember writing this?

“lay off the ad hominem crap”

Chronic memory loss, it’s a tragic condition.
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May 13, 2009 4:58pm
Murray

Bloody tragic all over.
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May 13, 2009 5:09pm
ephemera

@Sonic

Hoisted!
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May 13, 2009 5:09pm
Jack5

Sonic, someone will be along to your cell soon with tea and something to calm the nerves.

But in the meantime:

I wrote: “Al Qaeda, Wahhabism, and the Muslim Brotherhood are more fascist that most of the German Nazis and Italian fascists were.”

You wrote: “… to assert that the Nazis murder of 6 million Jewish people (and uncounted millions of gays, disabled people, socialists and gypsies) is somehow less “fascist” than the Muslim Brotherhood is so far off the rails it defies belief.”

Can you not see you have leaped in your quote from ideologies to crimes committed? There is no doubt in my mind that the members of Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood are more fascist than average Italian fascists and Nazis were. This applies also to Wahhabis. All three are fanatics. If they had the means and the backing I am sure they would repeat the Holocaust, this time in Israel.

The three groups are comparable in their fascism to the SS and the Nazi hierarchy.

On the ad hominem stuff: When you didn’t lay offf, I’m afraid I sank to your ranting level.

I find debating with you impossible Sonic.

Perhaps if they let you have access to the internet after you get your evening tranquilisers it will be easier.
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May 13, 2009 5:10pm
ephemera

@jack5
“When you didn’t lay offf, I’m afraid I sank to your ranting level […] after you get your evening tranquilisers it will be easier”

And yet you persist.

I’ve only been a week posting on this site and I’ve given up trying to offer any kind of reasoned debate amongst the sneering heckles.
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May 13, 2009 5:53pm
GPT1

What a dipshit. So somehow the promotion of killing of homosexuals and non believers is ok because the old testament had some nasty stuff in it as well? The classic “well maybe I did but he’s worse” defence favoured by 3 year olds the world over.
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May 13, 2009 5:55pm
Ratbiter

Jack5: “I find debating with you impossible Sonic.”

That’s rich, I tried to discuss some of the sh*t Galloway was saying, but somehow in your eyes I was “pandering to Islamic fundamentalists”. (Even though if you read what I actually wrote you’ll find nothing at all in favour of Galloway and nothing at all in favour of Islamic extremists.)

Either you can’t read, or you are an idiot.
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May 13, 2009 6:05pm
ephemera

All heat, no light in here.
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May 13, 2009 6:08pm
expat

Sonic has been called out of the common room by Mum for dinner and ratbiter tags in.
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May 13, 2009 6:09pm
sonic

“There is no doubt in my mind that the members of Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood are more fascist than average Italian fascists and Nazis were…

“The three groups are comparable in their fascism to the SS and the Nazi hierarchy”

Confused?

Well Jackie clearly is.
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May 13, 2009 6:11pm
Ratbiter

expat @ 6:09: excellent comment!

Helpful AND constructive…
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May 13, 2009 6:20pm
Southern Raider

Some forecasting are predicting Sharia Law will rule France in 20 years.

Will George we moving to the wine regions for his pay off?
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May 13, 2009 7:36pm
Southern Raider

Sonic/Ratbiter have you seen the poster about the Swine Flu in Islamic countries that points to it being created and spread by Jews?
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May 13, 2009 7:37pm
Ratbiter

Southern Raider – no I hadn’t. That’s not very nice, is it?

I do not believe we should be using what rulers of other countries do as a yardstick for whether our own behaviour is meritorious or not.

Here in NZ we are much better than the sorts of people who make gross generalizations about whole races and incite genocidal mob hatred, aren’t we?

Aren’t we?
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May 13, 2009 7:45pm
stephen

Ratbiter, re: your 4-38: not a lot to discuss I think! The guy’s a knob for the reasons you state and if there wasn’t a troll fight i think this thread would’ve died a while ago.
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May 13, 2009 7:52pm
Jack5

With the virtual death of Marxism and non-China communism, it’s amazing how Western leftists have cosied up to extreme fundamentalists within Islam.

Yet these fundamentalists despise Marxism and socialism. Look what happened to Iranian Marxists. The Taleban didn’t allow any left-wing political party either, and Al Qaeda doesn’t use Marxist textbooks.

Ratbiter, Stephen, and SubSonic should try going to the Middle Eastern states to promulgate their views.

In Saudi Arabia, H1 would be in a full veil and out of politics smartly.
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May 13, 2009 8:28pm
sonic

Southern Raider, all countries have nutcases (just look at this thread for example) it’s not a reason to hate whole populations.

I’m still awaiting evidence that I am cosying up to any sort of fundamentalist, still given Jackies rexord he is probably about to deny he ever said it!
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May 13, 2009 8:39pm
hubbers

I live in the UK and this guy really is as loathsome as this small clip suggests. Imagine a very angry person with one eye completely shut and the other mostly closed.

Dispatches do some great investigative journalism.
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May 13, 2009 8:50pm
Jack5

Subsonic at 8.39:”…all countries have nutcases (just look at this thread for example)”

Don’t be so hard on yourself Subsonic. Keep taking your pills and your confusion may eventually pass.
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May 13, 2009 9:02pm
Jack5

To keep the debate heading back towards the original topic, here’s something from the latest New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/world/middleeast/13christians.html?_r=1&th&emc=th
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May 13, 2009 9:18pm
Southern Raider

Jack5.

Doesn’t even come close to the Jews who for centuries worked for the good of the Middle East nations they lived in including holding high ranks in science, medicine and politics.

They have all been driven out to the detriment of those countries.
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May 13, 2009 9:25pm
Put it away

I don’t think even Fred “godhatesfags.com” Phelps is actually calling for executing donut punchers. If any xtians out there are doing that, they’re even crazier and more isolated than him. Now that would be a sight to see.
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May 13, 2009 9:36pm
getstaffed

The most simple minded and bigoted morons are those who can’t bring themselves to write the word Christian. It’s not hard. And the spelling checker will be happy.
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May 13, 2009 9:54pm
Dazzaman

sonic

all countries have nutcases (just look at this thread for example)

Good of you to put your hand up!
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May 13, 2009 11:59pm
adlsupporter

George Galloway and his Viva Palestina convoy gave money and vehicles directly to Hamas, a terrorist organization. For the full story, check out http://contemporaryantisemitism.blogspot.com/
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May 14, 2009 1:44am
Murray

Yeah but for some reason Scotland sent theirs to us.
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May 14, 2009 8:27am
He-Man

If only the christians and the jews werent killing thousands of muslims in the middle east, he would have a point
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May 14, 2009 9:56am
Jack5

From the UK Telegraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/5320193/Pakistan-president-accuses-Taliban-of-trying-to-create-new-world-order.html
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May 14, 2009 1:47pm
MyNameIsJack

getstaffed (3258) Vote: 4 0 Says:

May 13th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
The most simple minded and bigoted morons are those who can’t bring themselves to write the word Christian.

No, the simple minded idiots are those who do not understand that xtian is an accepted abbreviation for christian (see, i wrote it), even xtians themselves.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FAQ/scjp-admin/section-14.html

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=xtian
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May 14, 2009 2:08pm
MyNameIsJack

Put it away (212) Vote: 4 0 Says:

May 13th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
I don’t think even Fred “godhatesfags.com” Phelps is actually calling for executing donut punchers. If any xtians out there are doing that, they’re even crazier and more isolated than him. Now that would be a sight to see.

According to Leviticus, the punishment is death. If any xtian or jew opposes death for homosexual acts, ask them why they think they can be selective about which of god’s laws to follow, and why god won’t punish them for breaking his laws.
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