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Redbaiter

Astonishing story today in the NZ Herald-

“Ten iwi are to be paid $97 million to replace an unworkable deal that gave them a share of marine areas for fish and shellfish farms. The new deed of settlement, to be signed in Wellington today, brings to a close a messy chapter of legislation that some insiders have described as a “nightmare” to implement.”

“To be signed in Wellington today”..

So who the hell is signing it and when can they be fired ?

What the hell is this? Another National sop to Pita Sharples and his gang of racists and separatists??

There is no real justificiation to be paying some motley collection of so called “Maori” $91 million. Especially not while the country is in a recession and the government is starved for funds.

There is no real reason to be paying “compensation” for a “deal” that was “unworkable” in the first place.

This whole thing reeks of an utterly incomprehensible level of incompetence, cronyism, irresponsibility and crooked deals.

I reckon it is fraud being committed on the NZ taxpayer.

I reckon the people involved need to be exposed to the light.

Who has engineered this incompetent fraudulent farce, who is signing it off, and who the damn hell in National has got the damn guts to put an end to this disgraceful government dishonesty and abuse of tax payer resources???

Families are hurting in NZ. They deserve better than to have the money that is taken from them used in such a nefarious manner.

Government and politicians in NZ posture as a legitimate entity meanwhile this kind of large scale criminality is occurring and apparently everyone turns a blind eye..!!!!

It is incredible that this is occurring. This combination of political gangsterism, fraud and incompetence has to stop. Where are the Police? Where is the Serious Fraud Office?

This is $91 million for Christ’s sake. While politicians tell us there is no money available for tax cuts.

Who the hell is allowing Pita Sharples to oversee this kind of fraud?

If its John Key then it’s far past the time he did something about it.

This is a staggering monument to the gross high level cultural and ideological corruption that riddles the so called Maori Affairs Dept and New Zealand government.

When is the enquiry, and when are the jail sentences going to be handed out?? Whenever it occurs, it’ll be far too late. This kind of criminal farce should have been stopped, and the people behind it should have been behind bars years ago.
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May 6, 2009 9:30am
KiwiGreg

Ummm…the government contracted to do something and they didn’t do it. Think of the money as liquidated damages. You might legitimately seek the head of whomever signed the ORIGINAL unworkable agreement which obliged the crown to go and buy existing farms.

Just because you dont like the counter party you cant just abrogate contracts.
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May 6, 2009 9:38am
Redbaiter

“Ummm…”

Leaving aside the incoherency of your thinking, how about you learn how to write and speak in basic English before bothering to comment here? The issue is the rank lack of accountability, and the urgent need to put a stop to it. The issue is the gross misappropriation of $91 million dollars taken from hard working New Zealand families.
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May 6, 2009 9:42am
Inventory2

Very interesting that Phil Goff reckons all promotions both in his caucus and in Helen Clark’s were based on Merit – how does that explain Judith Tizard?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/05/merit.html
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May 6, 2009 9:59am
racer

Sucks about those property rights eh redbaiter? (mind you, I can definitely pick you as one to side with Justice Prendergast)

Any one else noticed the new Coke bottle lids?

Fewer ridges spaced further apart and slightly more prominent, far far better than the old ones, especially as the mercury begins to drop.
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May 6, 2009 10:07am
virtualmark

Redbaiter … can you please explain the “incoherency of [KiwiGreg’s] thinking”?

Because frankly he’s got it right. The Government agreed to sign up to a poorly considered contract, found it couldn’t deliver, and is now having to buy its way out. If you’re heated up about accountability then take KiwiGreg’s advice and go hunting for the head of whoever negotiated the original contract.
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May 6, 2009 10:15am
Komata

RB

While agreeing with the sentiments you express, the problem is that this is once again a legacy from Dear Leader, Cullen and Co, and it is unlikley to have been capable of being stopped.

JK and Bill English have inherited yet another ‘stuff-up’ from ‘the years of largess’ and as with many contracts etc, stopping it was probably not an option that they could entertain due to the legal processes which inevitably surround such things.

They just have to ‘ride it out’ and budget as best they can.

No wonder Cullen was laughing when he left!!

IMHO, it’s fair to suggest that this and other ‘bequests’ from race-based payouts were quite gleefully left for Bill English to deal with, and it would have been interesting (though of course impossible for normal mortals) to learn exactly how bankrupt we were on 9 November 2008.

I suspect that things were actually much, much worse than we were told.

So much for nine years of fiscal prudence!

And Labour want us to trust them?
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May 6, 2009 10:18am
goodgod

Very interesting that Phil Goff reckons all promotions both in his caucus and in Helen Clark’s were based on Merit – how does that explain Judith Tizard?

He left out the key word. A word no politician will utter.

Promotions in his caucus and Helen’s were based on [political] merit. The ability to suck ‘n’ fuck, not do and achieve.

Redbaiter (6046) Vote: 3 0 Says:

May 6th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Astonishing story today in the NZ Herald-

“Ten iwi are to be paid $97 million to replace an unworkable deal that gave them a share of marine areas for fish and shellfish farms. The new deed of settlement, to be signed in Wellington today, brings to a close a messy chapter of legislation that some insiders have described as a “nightmare” to implement.”

“To be signed in Wellington today”..

another case of accuntability.
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May 6, 2009 10:19am
Murray

Hey phool, you can stop trying to comment. You got a suspended sentence, check your demerits.

We turn now to Mr N Muntz for comment:

Ha ha!
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May 6, 2009 10:28am
gazzmaniac

So what about the new Windoze? Has anyone tried it yet – there is a review about it on Stuff today.
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May 6, 2009 10:29am
racer

“Murray
Hey phool, you can stop trying to comment. You got a suspended sentence, check your demerits.”

Do you realise how sad it is you lot’s constant attempt to silence the opinions that you don’t like?
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May 6, 2009 10:32am
Murray

I did no such thing, he scilenced himself.

Do you realise what a communist you look like by coming to someone elses site, behaving like complete assholes then bitching that you’re having your rights curtailed.

I repeat, no one here has ever called for lefties to be banned, only assholes.
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May 6, 2009 10:35am
lofty

@racer Do you realise how sad it is you lot’s constant attempt to silence the opinions that you don’t like?

Not me racer, you spout shit as much as you like, I personally think that everyone here should just ignore you, you would then pack up kit, and cut a track back to the sub standard where you slithered in from.

I shall now ignore you……..and the rest of the well known trolls.

Carry on.
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May 6, 2009 10:37am
Murray

Hes the DB-P of the internet lofty, he loves the spankings.
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May 6, 2009 10:38am
racer

No, your constant calls for people to be silenced are just embarrassing though, and so so transparent.

I have no problem with being banned or given out demerit points for breaking the explicit rules or implicit rules, some times its worth taking the demerits.

I am still free to judge David for handing them you, and you lot for egging him on, as complete trollops for doing so. Unless of course you and your fellow authoritarians can come up with good (self)justification for making rules about what I am allowed think.

Again, implicit, explicit, no amount of posturing or name calling changes that.
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May 6, 2009 10:41am
racer

Good for you lofty.
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May 6, 2009 10:42am
Murray M

So $97m pissed up against the wall. Take a look at Crusader Rabbit and Lindsey Mitchel blogs today, you will see another brilliant way to piss money up against the wall. Legal aid for scum who do not deserve the taxpayer funded assistance they already receive.
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May 6, 2009 10:43am
Murray

Waaaa waa waaa racer.

Try working on the perosnal responsibilty concept for a bit. phool got himself banned, I had nothing to do with it. You’ll talk yourself into the same thing then claim it was a conspiracy by the evil VRWC.

That why most kiwis are sick to bloody death of socialists.
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May 6, 2009 10:50am
racer

Conspiracy isn’t exactly the right word, it’s fairly bloody blatant.

Really, how are the Greens doing compared to ACT?

I’d say most kiwi’s are sick to bloody death of extremists on both sides, but your not really interested in reality or the truth.
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May 6, 2009 10:56am
Murray

Acts in government, the greens can’t win an single electorate because no one wants to live with them.

Looks a lot like Act are kicking the greens ass to me.

Your whinging is getting a little high pitched for me.
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May 6, 2009 11:22am
racer

The Greens of course being 3 times more popular than Act suggests your wrong, maybe if you keep scraping the bottom of that barrel there will be some more straws to grasp at underneath?
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May 6, 2009 11:28am
Murray

That fact that Act is actually in government and the green are about as important as last weeks used toilet paper suggests I’m not the one thats wrong.

Many years ago when I first joined the infantry and one of the first things we learned was when you get to the bottom og the hole you stop digging. Of course we had a very low number of socialists so their stand doctrine of calling in Harry Stamper to go deep core drilling didn’t really apply.

Keep flailing relevency boy.
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May 6, 2009 11:44am
burt

I2

On promotions based on merit said;

– how does that explain Judith Tizard?

She was possibly good at something that we can only speculate about.
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May 6, 2009 11:47am
burt

racer

but your not really interested in reality or the truth.

Yes we are, that is why Labour lost the election. Keep up.
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May 6, 2009 11:51am
racer

“Murray
That why most kiwis are sick to bloody death of socialists”

“Murray
That fact that Act is actually in government and the green are about as important as last weeks used toilet paper ”

Who is and is not in government is not the concern of “most kiwis”, we do not elect the government, we elect a house of representatives, and going by the Curia numbers today, the Greens are 3 times more popular than Act. Who is in government is far less relevant when judging the popularity of various parties.
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May 6, 2009 11:53am
racer

“burt

racer

but your not really interested in reality or the truth.

Yes we are, that is why Labour lost the election. Keep up.”

He is far more interested in “right good, left bad” straw grasping than the reality of the situation which is that the extreme left is 3 times more popular (on the curia numbers on the side bar) than the extreme right. Hence, he is not really interested in reality or the truth.
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May 6, 2009 11:56am
Ryan Sproull

the extreme left is 3 times more popular (on the curia numbers on the side bar) than the extreme right.

The Communists are polling three times more than the LibertariaNZ?
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May 6, 2009 11:59am
racer

Sorry, far left over all, extreme left in parliament.
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May 6, 2009 12:07pm
Ryan Sproull

THAT’S BETTER.

Ahem.
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May 6, 2009 12:13pm
Inventory2

burt said “She was possibly good at something that we can only speculate about.”

Indeed burt – however I am about to have lunch, so it’s not something I am particularly keen to speculate about just at the moment 🙂
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May 6, 2009 12:18pm
Murray

Hey look the commie is telling what kiwis think again.

Thats why you’re NOT the government derwood.

You go cuddle your “popularity” and we’ll get the legislation through. Win win.
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May 6, 2009 12:18pm
racer

Ohh look, the authoritarian in telling us what kiwis think again.

Our popularity eh? you mean its ok for the government to run roughshod over public opinion and pass what ever laws they feel like, shock horror!

Anyway, I think you’ve missed the point I’m trying to make so lets leave it there.
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May 6, 2009 12:30pm
jarbury

An interesting story about the NZ Herald bullying the blog “Editing the Herald” over possible trademark violations…

http://editingtheherald.blogspot.com/2009/05/text-bullying.html
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May 6, 2009 12:39pm
dad4justice

Look it’s racer on top of a jarbury crunch.
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May 6, 2009 12:47pm
jarbury

D4J….. wtf?
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May 6, 2009 12:50pm
Murray

racer you funny funny little man. From the people that passed legislation against 85% of public opinion to be bitching about a government that HAS popular support its just more gross hypocracy.

You don’t have a point. Like the greens you are pointless.
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May 6, 2009 12:59pm
dad4justice

Sorry to confuse you jarbury, but I just noticed that you and racer who are both from the sub standard blog are over here. I just went over to the sub standard and fell asleep reading the horseshit rhetoric. Slow day for Tune and Irish Ill??
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May 6, 2009 1:02pm
racer

Murray, just because you’re to thick to see the point I’m making, it does not mean I do not have a point. But maybe I’m being too harsh, maybe you see exactly my point, but in order to maintain your “Left:bad , Right: good” dogma, you see it necessary to try and pull the discussion of course, who knows?
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May 6, 2009 1:05pm
racer

D4j, How do you know if I am from the standard or not? what special access to my mind do you have?
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May 6, 2009 1:06pm
Ryan Sproull

I really like Editing the Herald.
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May 6, 2009 1:07pm
Ryan Sproull

Also, I’m in Christchurch from tomorrow evening till Saturday afternoon. Once again, if anyone wants a drink, send me an email on wataki at gmail.com
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May 6, 2009 1:08pm
Redbaiter

Gee, just checked back in. I’d be happy to reply to the serious responders to my initial post, but finding this thread full of low IQ infantile garbage from racer is just such a turn off I’m just going to go away. Sorry, but I’ve got better thing to do than participate in this kind of worthless crap.
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May 6, 2009 1:21pm
MyNameIsJack

Oh Happy Day!
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May 6, 2009 1:46pm
dad4justice

Oh look mynameisjack is happy and the Hand Mirror gals all cracked the glass.
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May 6, 2009 1:49pm
racer

“Redbaiter

Gee, just checked back in. I’d be happy to reply to the serious responders to my initial post, but finding this thread full of low IQ infantile garbage from racer is just such a turn off I’m just going to go away.”

of course you have no idea what my IQ is, and nothing in your previous post is of any meaning, or any relevance, glad to hear your going away.
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May 6, 2009 1:55pm
side show bob

Redbaiter, Racer’s mother gives him a see-through lunchbox so he can tell whether he is on his way to work or on his way home.
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May 6, 2009 3:56pm
racer

heh heh heh, that’s a fiarly good one.
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May 6, 2009 4:10pm
joeAverage

Wow a new subject , no abuse to another poster
Millie Elder / Holmes, a rich overprivileged SLUT this bitch is DORKLAND to the rest of NZ
How can a pretty lady turn out to be SUCH trash opps check out her gangster bro boyfriend, Paul as he walks through his olive trees says ,My daughter who has a bit of MAORI in her ,he thinks why are MAORI such thiefs and druggies????????? why did i marry her mother, the first one , SIGH
Millie has charges in 3 (THREE) courts stealing ,drugs and being a rich arsehole, just stealing as its her right and drugging up
as shes a MAORI maybe they steal as its in their genes, GOOD TUI AD
PS she needs a secretary to arrange her court apperances, Watch she will be charged again and again , but as shes pauls daughter her and her gangster fucker wont go to prison,NEVER diversion over and over. RICH LAWERS rule
posted from the CAPITAL CITY the centre of culture laughing at the untouchables in DORKLAND
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May 6, 2009 4:38pm
joeAverage

Watch demerites come to me from you know who for saying the truth AS IT IS and millies crime life continues, THIS IS OUR COUNTRY SIGH wow dont be a working slob , as a whitey i would be inside if i didnt have the name HOLMES, in her case
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May 6, 2009 4:48pm
Patrick Starr

“How do you know if I am from the standard or not? what special access to my mind do you have?”
“of course you have no idea what my IQ is”

oh sooooo tempting
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May 6, 2009 4:56pm
racer

You lot want fucking nanny state? Jesus Christ I don’t know how you lot are going to defend the gang insignia bill?
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May 6, 2009 6:16pm
Patrick Starr

whilst you lot defend the gangs – until of course the rob, beat, rape or murder you
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May 6, 2009 6:24pm
racer

Those are all already crimes though, punish them for doing those things.
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May 6, 2009 6:31pm
Steve

Booze.
Ban booze in supermarkets because it is cheap and below wholesale?
It is a carrot to get you to the supermarket, big deal. This is marketing.
To say supermarkets are responsible for binge drinking and possible violence, rape, car accidents, family breakdowns, heart attacks is fucking rubbish.
The problem is those who drink are not held responsible for what they do.

There is the problem, some of us enjoy a drink but get penalised by the actions of the antisocial scum
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May 6, 2009 7:55pm
racer

Of course Patrick Starr is a conservative so hes a little bit confused. (conservatives have a much higher capacity for holding inconsistent political beliefs) This would be the same Patrick Starr who supported these same peoples freedom to choose what light bulbs they have, and their supposed rights for political expression.
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May 6, 2009 8:03pm
adam2314

” This would be the same Patrick Starr who supported these same peoples freedom to choose what light bulbs they have,
and their supposed rights for political expression “.

What is conservative about that ?.
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May 6, 2009 8:42pm
racer

The conservative part being pro light bulbs and political expression, but anti clothing color.
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May 6, 2009 8:52pm
reid

You lot want fucking nanny state? Jesus Christ I don’t know how you lot are going to defend the gang insignia bill?

Nanny state is when it does something unnecessarily interfering and/or oppressive that applies to all, racer.

Good judgement is when it does something that makes it less easy for scum to practice behaviour that should never have been allowed to develop into a problem in the first place.

Lefties often have trouble distinguishing the two.
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May 6, 2009 9:03pm
racer

Hell at least when they are in their gang colors they are easier to avoid. You don’t get it do you, the government is telling them what clothes they are allowed to wear, that is fucking ridiculous, that’s far beyond anything Labour did. And I pity you poor fools for having to bend over and take this one.
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May 6, 2009 9:09pm
Banana Llama

All i can say Joe is lol Millie, she should be in jail learning the hard way like the rest of us peasants maybe then she would turn on those cogs in that head of hers.
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May 6, 2009 9:10pm
Patrick Starr

racer – your moral compass is so fucked up, I’ll be shocked if you manage to find your way to your bedroom tonight
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May 6, 2009 10:29pm

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