General Debate 31 May 2009

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mickysavage

I appreciate that this government and John Key will not do anything about climate change, or increasing unemployment or protecting workers’ rights but what I would like to know is …

What happened to my tax cut? You promised Mr Key.

[DPF: You got most of it on 1 April.]
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May 31, 2009 9:03am
billyborker

And where’s my fucking cycleway, jonkey? You promised that, too.

Fucking lying cunts stole the election.

[DPF: 20 demerits]
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May 31, 2009 9:05am
Adolf Fiinkensein

The lefties must re reduced to drinking meths. It’s a terrible thing to see on a Sunday morning before going to Church.

Two shitty livers, that is.

Such eloquence, as well.
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May 31, 2009 9:11am
billyborker

Here’s one for redbaiter,always moaning about why the MSM don’t give his favourite right aresholes a free run.

Let’s hope that the key conferences aren’t when she’s menstruating or something, or just before she’s going to menstruate. That would really be bad. Lord knows what we would get then.

— radio host G. Gordon Liddy on Judge Sonia Sotomayor

And red still wonders why the American Electorate told McCain and Wassilla Wannabe to fuck off.
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May 31, 2009 9:18am
expat

bork and mickey are bitter and twisted, labour are irrelevant and themselves with it.

Hi irrelevants!
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May 31, 2009 9:44am
Michael E

What happened to my tax cut? You promised Mr Key.
It went into that big black hole Cullen created by spending all that money. If we didn’t have WFF available to people on $100k+ (and other nonsense churn schemes) and so many bureaucrats you could have it.

And where’s my fucking cycleway, jonkey?
Seeing as you can’t spell, I take it you can’t read – $50 million has been allocated to build it.
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May 31, 2009 9:50am
Patrick Starr

I trust Borkers @9.05 description of Key gets him banned?
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May 31, 2009 9:57am
3-coil

micky & billy are obviously angry and frustrated this morning.

But don’t be so negative guys! Shouldn’t you both be concentrating on rebuilding your loser Labour party back to relevance – so you can have a say and you won’t feel quite so inadequate?

I’ll give you some free advice – why elect a dickhead like Fill (in) Goff as your party leader? His “leadership” is a joke, which is no surprise – it’s becoming increasingly obvious that Fill and Rhys Darby are twins, separated at birth.

Your are both missing the firm discipline that Aunty Helyn gave you, but Fill will only ever be a weak pretender.
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May 31, 2009 10:03am
side show bob

Have I missed something, is it another one of those special days like Mother’s day or something?. It’s not by any chance looney left day?. Given the lunacy of our first two posters one could be forgiven for thinking this.
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May 31, 2009 10:08am
Inventory2

billyborker @ 9.05am “And where’s my fucking cycleway, jonkey? You promised that, too.

Fucking lying cunts stole the election.”

If ever proof was needed that billyborker is nothing but a bitter and twisted leftie troll, he’s provided it from his own keyboard. He can’t even be factual – funding for the “fucking cycleway” was actually provided for in the budget.

Piss off borker!
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May 31, 2009 10:09am
Owen McShane

Well 500 million would have funded one round of cuts but it is set aside for payments under the Emissions Trading Scheme an ineffective solution to a non existent problem.
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May 31, 2009 10:10am
Inventory2

Hey mickey – you rant about climate change – whatever happened to Global Warming, and why was the name changed when the lie was exposed?

It’s certainly anything but globally warm in Wanganui this morning!
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May 31, 2009 10:13am
chfr

Yes Inventory where is the warming. I have just been caught in a sleet storm in Makara Beach FFS
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May 31, 2009 10:28am
billyborker

20 demerits for telling the truth?

The National Socialists promised tax cuts. They have not delivered tax cuts. In my book, that makes them lyinmg cunts who stole the election.

50 mil might be “allocated” for the cycle way, but where are the plans, when will the first sod be turned? How many times in the past have we seen governments allocate money for a pet poroject that never went ahead?

Stop cheer leading and hold your government to account.

[DPF: Slow learner – another 20 demerits. You can criticise the Budget without using the cunt word]
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May 31, 2009 10:46am
side show bob

Owen I see part of the government’s reason to introduce an EFS is that if we do not sign up and follow the rules we may face trading sanctions. Well whippy fucking do, the yanks are now subsidising their dairy industry as the two faced Europeans are doing the same. Why the hell should we follow the rules when the pricks that are happy to impose them can change them at a whim. I say screw the aresholes, they have being taking to much in tariffs for years anyway.
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May 31, 2009 10:50am
side show bob

Also Owen, I thought Nick Smith said that we were 250 mill in credit, or is 500 mill just a nice number to pluck out of the air. Does anyone really know how much we will owe or how much will be owed to us? . But I would bet my last dollar that we will always be the payer, that’s how this con works.
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May 31, 2009 10:58am
Jack5

A new bone to chew on this cold Sunday.

When is a centre or centre-right or right government going to look at the taxpayer funded voice of Leftism, Radio NZ.

Why should the academic, trendy portion of the left have its own taxpayer funded, advertising-free, well-staffed radio voice?

You just have to listen to Chris Laidlaw holding his Sunday morning socialist seminars, like today’s where we had “Equal Opportunities Commissioner” Judy McGregor, a trade unionist, and a lefty seeking Gummint action to raise wages of occupations with a high proportion of women. One of these feminists, themselves now ageing, used the phrase “white haired brigade” for male employers and male senior employees. Another speaker seemed to suggest that school support staff, mainly feminine, were discriminated against because they are paid less than prison guards, who are mainly men.

It’s relevant that Radio NZ will be the station of listening choice for many women, especially the ageing feminist brigade.

Radio NZ is an economic and political dinosaur. It survives from the days when it was expensive to set up a radio station, in equipment and in spectrum. This is no longer the case, especially for a talk station, which needs only AM. Compared with setting up a newspaper, opening a radio station costs peanuts, even if you buy your own transmitter.

Radio NZ is still expensive (multi-millions a year), yet the industry has marched on.

The political justification of the need for any radio and thus the state must provide it, lapsed well over half a century ago. The internet further antiquates the need for a state-funded radio network. Expanding state-funded media like Radio NZ into the internet is just madness, and yet it is happening. Poor bloody taxpayers.

Another aspect is that Radio NZ, being advertisement free, competes unfairly with commercial stations.

The easiest way out would be to first require Radio NZ to earn some of its revenue from advertising and sponsorship. Then it could be sold. If it floated great, if it sank well … another load off the taxpayer, and a few more millions for the health system or interest payments on the public debt that is set to rise again.
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May 31, 2009 11:08am
Viking2

Firstly, its a fabulous day in the sunny Bay Of Plenty, (which is one good reason why I don’t live in Wellington).
The other is that it seems to attract a certain kind of person. One that lies, cheats, thinks that the rest of NZ should pay for them and their mates to exist and a lot more that seem to think their largess is good for NZ.
While it goes against the best of human nature to agree with mickeysavage he is without doubt correct. Despite DPF now playing interference for Kenglish and co there can be no doubt that the tax cuts were used to win the election, were responsible for many changing to National(among other reasons) and was without doubt used to moderate the number of voters who would have voted Act but were persuaded to vote National on the basis of the tax cuts without the paradigm shift in policy that Act would have bought to bear on fiscal policy.

To now use the Global Financial Crisis as the reason to cancel (and I think that I am right in saying to remove the legislation that supported those tax cuts, or at least that was what Trev was moaning about Friday), is completely disingenuous.
The financial crisis was well flagged early last year is anyone was watching and in Key we have a world money trader who confidently stood on the stage and told us he had the knowledge and we should believe him that he would lead us out of the mire.
To now turn around and say that oh well its worse than we thought etc etc. and to use that as the excuse for doing nothing requires a lot more scrutiny. Unfortunately that doesn’t happen because too many of you resort to name calling etc. and fail to see the message.
Now when the boot was on the other foot you lambasted (rightly) many of the things that Labour did but to now sit back and parrot “we won you lost STFU” with out being critical of your own leadership and its actions and indeed doing exactly what the Labourites did for their lot makes you the same as them and totally hypocritical.

Its about principle, something that the Nats are very poor at in practice. They are damm good at compromise which is why we are in the situation we are in now. ( A Catholic trait I might add.)
The tax cuts were about 1.5 million and it beggars belief that Kenglish couldn’t find that kind of cash within the system.
I have no doubt at all that all those that attack mickeysavage would have a dozen suggestions about where the money could be saved. You have all gone on about it for months and months.
So guys stop defending the indefensible and fire the bullets at the persons who are running the show now. Remind themthat they need to be accountable to yourselves and the electorate for what they promised, need to do and that you will pput the torch to their balls just like you did the Labour Party.
If you don’t then that shows a lack of principle and it opens the door far wider for Act at the next election, which I have no doubt will be what happens.
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May 31, 2009 11:13am
Redbaiter

“The easiest way out would be to first require Radio NZ to earn some of its revenue from advertising and sponsorship. Then it could be sold. If it floated great, if it sank well..”

Yes, these are the things that National would be doing if they only had the brains. And the balls.
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May 31, 2009 11:19am
Kingi

What the hell is it with the right wing and privatisation. If we were to sell Radio NZ then we wouldn’t be able to ensure a genuine Kiwi voice. There would be no obligation for us to have a diverse range of programming. It would all just be based on profit and money. Speaking of if “they only had the brains”….
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May 31, 2009 11:25am
starboard

“And where’s my fucking cycleway, jonkey? You promised that, too.

Fucking lying **** stole the election.”

…and we have to put up with this gerbals blah blah for 12 more years whilst laybore are in opposition…oh well what a shame…move on…
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May 31, 2009 11:33am
billyborker

[DPF: Slow learner – another 20 demerits. You can criticise the Budget without using the cunt word]

For one to be a learner, slow or otherwise, one needs to know the purpose of the lesson and have well presented training. Nowhere in your handing of the initial 20 was there a reason that it was solely the use of cunt that got you upset. Is clarity that hard to achieve?

That then raises another issue, dear to my heart, of why some words are seen to be socially acceptable whilst others of the exact same meaning are beyond the pale. So, what is the issue with cunt?

[DPF: If you want to play dumb, you can. But I have better things to do. And the context in which a word is used is relevant. If you ar not sure where the boundary is, my suggestion is you stay far away from it as 98% of people manage]
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May 31, 2009 11:36am
billyborker

Non Jews, get out your yellow stars.

Maccabi Australia (MAI), the largest Jewish organisation in Australia, issued a directive early this month giving clubs until December 31 next year to get rid of any non-Jewish players.
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May 31, 2009 11:40am
Patrick Starr

” If we were to sell Radio NZ then we wouldn’t be able to ensure a genuine Kiwi voice. There would be no obligation for us to have a diverse range of programming”

why should there be? If the audience want to hear a “genuine Kiwi voice” then that’s what the ratings would indicate and the market would provide
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May 31, 2009 11:41am
reid

When is a centre or centre-right or right government going to look at the taxpayer funded voice of Leftism, Radio NZ.

You could equally ask, how can a govt ensure that all political viewpoints are disseminated neutrally throughout the entire govt and media sectors?

The education sector is a critical vehicle for disseminating political views in particular the tertiary sector which is why the commies pay so much attention to it. Secondary schools are also important, but are not as important as the tertiary sector, which is where the fertiliser is applied to the seeds planted in the secondary years.

Taking malleable 20-something minds and then sending them out into society to propagate their perspectives has paid off for the commies. How can a govt preserve freedom of academic discussion and at the same time re-balance the political education that occurs?

All I can suggest is that one needs to analyse how the commies have done it then apply the same processes – take them on at their own game. This will of course upset the commies. Good. Unfortunately, it’s a process that only takes hold over generations and if any conservative govt was to initiate it, it would be reversed the next time the lefties gained power. At the very least however what can be done, is to expose it using the same tactics that the commies use.

That is, eliminate from the secondary school curriculum all compulsory courses that have commie origins and replace them with compulsory courses teaching the exact opposite.
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May 31, 2009 11:41am
Redbaiter

” What the hell is it with the right wing and privatisation.”

Are you that stupid that you don’t get something so simple? We want destroy the left, and the best way to do that is cut off every avenue of public funding, for without their ability to steal from the taxpayer, their unpopular ideas would never get any financial support.

Edit- Leaving aside the absolute idiocy of claiming that RNZ, that viper’s nest of extreme left propagandists, is any kind of “genuine kiwi voice”. For fuck’s sake.
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May 31, 2009 11:43am
TimG_Oz

I’m all for good debate, as I think the vast majority here are. After his last suspension I stated that BB just lowered the IQ of the room. whilst issing a challenge to show some logical and intelligent arguments.

As most are sure, a continued resortment to simple abuse without presenting an argument, whilst not even recognising the said fact, only goes to vindicate my presumption of the (lack of) capacities of this poster.

OK. I’m off to learn proper English 🙂
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May 31, 2009 11:43am
billyborker

Patrick, if there was no “genuine kiwi voice” broadcasting, how to you expect the ratings to show demand for one? Ratings only measure what is, not what may be desired.
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May 31, 2009 11:43am
Patrick Starr

“Ratings only measure what is, not what may be desired” there’s another little gem called market research. tell me this, If that “genuine kiwi voice” wasn’t spilling out left wing propaganda then would you defend it with the same passion?
C’mon borker, you’re only 30 demerits off a month ban. Give it your best shot!
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May 31, 2009 11:48am
billyborker

Patrick, I am well aware of market research, but YOU said …that’s what the ratings would indicate and the market would provide. I am asking you to defend that comment, not run off on a tangent.

And who cares about bans – I have more personas than greenfly and dad4justice combined. In fact, if Farrar banned all D4j’s, greenfly’s and my persons only you, reid and redbaiter would be left.

[DPF: I can always just reveal your actual name when I ban you, if you reach 100 demerits]
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May 31, 2009 11:51am
TimG_Oz

Aha … I was expecting BB to pick up on the Maccabi issue.

Many weeks ago, the Maccabi-North Caulfield Soccer Club fielded their first XI with only 2 Jewish players. They actively went on a recruitment drive of talent in order to play in the higher state league. The Australian Jewish News picked up on the story, and decided to run a front page article, and contacted the Maccabi Australia Incorporated for comment, which provoked a knee-jerk response, and PR disaster, not the least of which occurred within the Jewish Community.

Maccabi, as a secular sports organisation, provides outreach to Jewish people, many of whom do not practice religion in any other way. There has and will always be a number of non-Jewish people (or people from the fringe of the community) that belong. When someone joins a Maccabi club, nobody asks for proof that you are Jewish.

This is hardly a discrimination issue, but an issue for club administration for the Soccer club and community. BB – if you want to play a sport for a Maccabi club – come and join. Although I would suggest that given your previous demerits for anti-semitic remarks, you probably would be happier elsewhere..
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May 31, 2009 11:52am
Patrick Starr

“I am well aware of market research, but YOU said …that’s what the ratings would indicate and the market would provide. I am asking you to defend that comment, not run off on a tangent”

If the current “genuine kiwi voice” disappeared off the radio tomorrow don’t you think the ratings would be monitored?
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May 31, 2009 11:55am
Jack5

It’s a really good cold day for reading blogs today, so here’s another bone folks…

Rodney Hide, local government minister, is reported on the NBR web site suggesting liability for property developments and quality controls of buildings be shifted from councils to developers.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/shift-liability-developments-developers-says-hide-103113

The public and buyers would be protected by builders and developers having to pay into a compulsory insurance scheme or a fidelity fund.

Fresh thinking Rodney. But about the developer Rodney once described as his best mate, and was undoubtedly close to:
Dave Henderson, of the huge, failed Hendo’s Hole in Queenstown.

How would any reliable insurance fund rate a developer like Henderson. Also it would have to get the money from him well before “up front”. It would have to be pay premium before you scratch the ground to cut down a shrub.

And because an insurance scheme is ultimately an equalising scheme, wouldn’t solid contractors and builders end up paying for the stuffwits who did things like build leaky homes.

I believe in free markets, but it’s obvious they need solid, deep-pocketed, independent regulators and rules, and Rodney’s idea fails on that count.
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May 31, 2009 11:58am
TimG_Oz

Also – BB kindly neglected to mention that the Maccabi knee-jerk directive to evict non-Jewish players from Maccabi clubs was recanted…

http://ajn.com.au/news/news.asp?pgID=7505

Can anyone imagine the uproar in Australia if the Indigenous All-Australian Aussie Rules side, decided to enlist Jonathan Brown (the league’s best player), only because he would help them play better…
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May 31, 2009 12:02pm
Inventory2

DPF to billyborker – [DPF: I can always just reveal your actual name when I ban you, if you reach 100 demerits]

If? I believe that Mr borker is within a mere 30 demerits of a one-month holiday, so I venture suggest it is more a case of “when” 🙂
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May 31, 2009 12:06pm
Inventory2

As for Global Warming, Mrs Inventory, who as a Canterbury lass is not afraid of a bit of flakey white stuff falling from the skies has just driven the Desert Road and rang to tell me that road closure is imminent due to the heavy snow – and to think – winter hasn’t even started yet!
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May 31, 2009 12:08pm
Patrick Starr

[DPF: I can always just reveal your actual name when I ban you, if you reach 100 demerits]

hello billy…hello billy…..are you still there billy? LMFAO
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May 31, 2009 12:09pm
reid

“and to think – winter hasn’t even started yet!”

Heard a long-range forecaster say a month ago, we’ll be skiing in December.
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May 31, 2009 12:18pm
Owen McShane

Half a BILLION dollars of taxpayers money has been set aside for useless climate change initiatives with $471 million
being spent on the allocation of emissions units for the ETS.

Here is the link with the details:
http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/2009/estimates/est09clicha.pdf.
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May 31, 2009 2:03pm
billyborker

Patrick Starr (2408) 5 1 Says:

May 31st, 2009 at 12:09 pm
[DPF: I can always just reveal your actual name when I ban you, if you reach 100 demerits]

What, Frank Hardy? who’d have guessed?

Anyway, while capitalism eats its children, the nasty socialists are busy pulling its nuts from the fire. GM heads for bankruptcy, but Opel saved by a combination of statist intervention and and Kremlin bankers.

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-world/germany-rescues-opel-for-now-20090531-brex.html
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May 31, 2009 3:54pm
billyborker

And in further great news for humanity, Susan Boil loses out in BGT to a bunch of prancing nancy boys.
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May 31, 2009 3:58pm
Owen McShane

Rodney is onto something with shifting liabillity away from councils.
We are the only nation which has such a liability for ever.
In most countries the consenting authority’s liability ends after say 7 years or after the first sale.

This is because most countries have many old houses so people learn to use building surveyors to assess the property before they buy. If you 400 year old house in England sprung a leak who would expect to sue?
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May 31, 2009 4:08pm
village idiot

I don’t know about others, but I was disgusted by DPF’s threat to reveal a poster’s real name. Surely when people ‘sign on’ to take part in the debates here, it’s assumed that anonimity is assured and that our host won’t threaten us with exposure, simply because one uses the word ‘cunt’ (apologies to anyone upset by my use of the word, I’m simply quoting). This seems to me to be a very dictatorial and facist action and again, I’m very surprised that there has been no reaction from people who seem apposed to that kind of unilateral action. I hear the meme ‘Farrar can do as he wishes, it’s his blog’ and that’s true, but he’s undermining his credibility with threats like that. For the record, I don’t fear my name being displayed against my wishes. In fact I don’t give a flying fuck!

[DPF: If you are going to call me a fascist, then spell it right. After you do that, go read the site’s privacy policy which is quite explicit. And then after that go read that my statement I could reveal his real name was in response to his boast that he has multiple identities on here and could just set up another on to avoid the effect of a suspension]
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May 31, 2009 4:22pm
Patrick Starr

Dear Mr Idiot. Do you mean to tell us all that this is not your real name?
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May 31, 2009 4:45pm
village idiot

dear patrick – no, I didn’t mean to tell you but clearly you’ve read between the lines! Clever boy!
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May 31, 2009 4:49pm
big bruv

Watching Q&A this morning I was reminded about another of Neville Key’s promises that I suspect he will break.

Remember how he promised us a referendum on MMP?, given Key’s desperation to do a deal with the apartheid party and the Luddites I would not mind betting he has already decided that a national referendum on MMP is something “we can not afford”.
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May 31, 2009 4:54pm
TimG_Oz

Your name doesn’t matter – but what’s the name of the village?

I’m guessing Shrewsbury or Moe….
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May 31, 2009 4:56pm
Patrick Starr

Bruv. see if Key give Auckland seats to maori. That’ll be the end of him for me!
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May 31, 2009 4:58pm
mickysavage

What happened to my tax cut? You promised Mr Key.

[DPF: You got most of it on 1 April.]

But I did not get it all and I can work out all by myself how much I should be receiving. And I can recall very clearly that nice Mr Key and that nice Mr English telling me that I would get it no matter what because National had done its sums and it was affordable.

Maybe English and Key cannot add?
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May 31, 2009 5:02pm
joeAverage

billybonker im just a tired bitter old man but billy you are something else , REALLY NASTY and you think you are smart,BUT with nothing really going for you, ps who will you come back as , wont be hard to tell
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May 31, 2009 5:04pm
village idiot

big bruv – thought you’d drowned yourself at the news of turei’s win (bradford’s loss) Oh well. Q&A had English getting a thrashing from Espiner. Bill looked like he was going to be sick.
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May 31, 2009 5:14pm
Inventory2

village idiot – yours is a most appropriate name – because you’ve completely overlooked the reason that DPF made that comment – this:

“Patrick, I am well aware of market research, but YOU said …that’s what the ratings would indicate and the market would provide. I am asking you to defend that comment, not run off on a tangent.

And who cares about bans – I have more personas than greenfly and dad4justice combined. In fact, if Farrar banned all D4j’s, greenfly’s and my persons only you, reid and redbaiter would be left.”

In my very humble opinion, billy borker gets nothing more than he deserves.
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May 31, 2009 5:42pm
billyborker

You’re right, of course, nvent – no one should be permitted to make fun of kiwiblog, not even me,. this is a serious place full of serious people, no fun here.
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May 31, 2009 6:27pm
TimG_Oz

no one should be permitted to make fun of kiwiblog

Since when was abusive trolling something that made debate fun for everybody????
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May 31, 2009 6:33pm
Viking2

Having fun in a storm.

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6641188,00.jpg
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May 31, 2009 6:45pm
side show bob

Mickysavage, “what happened to my tax cut”, you damn fool Micky, you actually have to earn something before you get a tax cut.
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May 31, 2009 6:57pm
Steve

bork bork, or is that baulk?
Suicide by trolling. We will not miss you.
Very sad.
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May 31, 2009 7:07pm
Glutaemus Maximus

Borker has become Savage, or has that Savage become Borker.

Brrrr, it’s so cold it’s hard to think. Global Warming will be the death of many old folk due to Hypothermia. It must be eradicated by all means available.

Along with greasy, spotty, junior trolls. Didn’t think Students would qualify for a tax cut? Or Dole Scum!
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May 31, 2009 7:09pm
Father Ted

Unfortunately billy borker thinks he has so many leftist degrees in abusive language technique they call him Doctor Fahrenheit. He badly needs some spiritual vitamins and a Holy Hand Grenade.
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May 31, 2009 7:17pm
Glutaemus Maximus

Bork Bork is possibly a malodourous birth canal itself. Either that, or has an unhealthy fascination for the same.

Savage has the same thing going. Useless, vacuous, repetitive, vermin. Hope they continue to Troll and abuse. It really suits them , and Sonic.

Just poetic justice for supporters of liars, cynics, thieves, and vagabonds.

Dr Norman, king of the airpoints. Don’t tell me, having to do the very worst things to save us from Global Warming. (The original Name, and the name that will stick!!)

Academic tosspots.
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May 31, 2009 7:34pm
side show bob

Hi GM cooled down a bit hasn’t it. Feed the cows early this morning before the wind picked up, blows the hay away before they can eat it if to windy. Really nice morning but turned to shit about 11. Bloody cold now, the fire is roaring, even the ducks where coming in early. Anyhow do you think these lefty’s could up the heat a bit ? Don’t they have a climate change office or something equally as silly. Personally I was happier when God was running the show.
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May 31, 2009 8:20pm
jarbury

OMG I’m agreeing with Rodney Hide and Owen McShane on a local government issue…. what is the world coming to?

Why the heck does council have to have legal liability for developments? Sure they should tick all the boxes of the building consent stage and make sure the building won’t fall over and that it isn’t a sieve, but surely the developer should take most of the legal responsibility.

Perhaps the reason the law is how it stands is due to many developers forming companies for each development, then winding them up once complete. I know directors can be tracked down and all, but it might be a nightmare 5-7 years down the track to try to hold a development company liable for something. So perhaps it’s practicalities that has lumped liability on the councils?
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May 31, 2009 8:50pm
RainbowGlobalWarming

Borkbork squawked

“billyborker (486) Vote: 2 8 Says:
May 31st, 2009 at 3:58 pm

And in further great news for humanity, Susan Boil loses out in BGT to a bunch of prancing nancy boys.”

FFS! Do you follow that shite? You really are a nancy boy bork.
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May 31, 2009 9:37pm
reid

The idea of property developers regulating themselves is quite insane and on a par with de-regulating the building code that allowed untreated timber which gave rise to leaky homes.

I mean, when was the last time property developers were known to give a fuck about anything except making the most bucks in the quickest possible time?

To compare their behaviour to that of professional bodies like lawyers is like comparing Hitler with Jesus, in terms of proposing they would exercise a similar level of fiduciary responsibility.

If a property developer went belly-up due to malpractice and the available fund didn’t cover the losses, what would the other developers do?

There are many other questions which spring to mind. I can’t believe anyone is even entertaining it.
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May 31, 2009 9:45pm
Kingi

The Supreme Court decision in California on Gay marriage is very disappointing. When will the world stop discriminating against people. I will always and have always supported equality for gay people.
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May 31, 2009 10:01pm
wikiriwhis business

and to think – winter hasn’t even started yet!”

Heard a long-range forecaster say a month ago, we’ll be skiing in December.”

THere has ben talk over the last several years that the seasons seem to be slipping later into the year.

Watch out for clear blue June skies and pleasant days.

And the first day of winter tomorrow looks like being a good ‘un. 🙂

After that polar blast!

Few bad accidents I hear too.
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May 31, 2009 10:12pm
side show bob

Kingi, why is it disappointing, it was put to the people , the supreme court made the right call, the people had their say. Is there something you dislike about democracy?. Personally I don’t give a fat rat’s arsehole about gay “marriage”. I’m happy that gay people enjoy the same rights as those that are married, I’m not happy if this is defined as married, civil union is fine with me. A marriage is between a man and a woman, to define it any other way opens a pandora’s box.
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May 31, 2009 10:50pm
jarbury

A marriage is between a man and a woman, to define it any other way opens a pandora’s box.

How come? What have the effects of allowing gay marriage in many European countries been – no pandora’s box that I’ve noticed.
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May 31, 2009 10:52pm
Glutaemus Maximus

I agree with SSB. Marriage has been, is, and will always be between a Man and a Woman.

That same sex couples may have the same opportunity, legal protection, tax status, and widowy rights is perfectly fine.

To call it a Marriage is wrong, and I cannot support that basic premise.

Rhetoric, sniping, huffing, and blackmail will never change my view. I get heartily sick of some GLTB types forever trying to politicise a ‘Lifestyle Choice’, that they happen to have made. Especially when they get so fucking smug, and start presupposing that they are the
chosen ones.

They are not better, not more gifted, not more deserving, and simply different. Different enough for your respected Union in life to be called another name. Marriage, not a fucking chance darlinks.
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May 31, 2009 11:07pm
side show bob

Turn it around the other way jarbury, if the word marriage means nothing why then the push from the gay community to have couples declared married. I contend that a marriage is between a man and a woman and what would you declare it to be?
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May 31, 2009 11:18pm
jarbury

Ahhh… semantics.

The point is that the gay community would like equality with man-woman couples.

A man & a woman can choose to have either a marriage or a civil union.
A gay couple do not have that choice. They have to choose civil union.

That makes it unequal as the gay couple only have one choice and not two.
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May 31, 2009 11:24pm
side show bob

Shit you full of it, so the gay community has decided that they want a choice between a marriage or a civil union? Please, spare me. Since when has the world been run by the gay community or has there been a new directive from the UN. You fail to explain why the word marriage is so important to the gay community, if you can not do this I will tell you. Yes semantics but don’t try and bullshit me mate.
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May 31, 2009 11:36pm
Glutaemus Maximus

SSB, its because their love is much more PURE.

Much better for society, for AGW, for charity, for forgery, fraud, thieving alcohol, for re-distribution of wealth to bludgers.

Oh and for ultimate control.

Live to-gether, enjoy each other, but don’t ever think you are better than us! You are the alternative lifestyle choice people.

Is it naturally normal? Is it fuck! Just that Society has been warped by pink tinged media.
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May 31, 2009 11:44pm
Kingi

Who defines what “marriage” is? You SSB? You Glut(ton)? I don’t think so.

The simple idea of one thing being open to one section of society and not another (without their being any basis for this other than discrimination due to someone’s gender) is in and of itself. WRONG.
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May 31, 2009 11:56pm
Glutaemus Maximus

Don’t forget that tying the knot has nothing to do with the marriage ceremony.

It derived from the expectation of children from the Union of man and woman. It refers to tying the umbilical cord(s) of any children begat of that union. Quite natural.

Marriage is about societies long founded belief in procreation in a natural union.

Civil Partnerships, registry office weddings are a function of 2nd time round candidate(s).

Same sex unions have to rely on surrogacy, AI, or turkey basters for any children to be brought into being. The offspring cannot by definition cannot carry the DNA of both parties in the Union.

In the final analysis it normally amounts to procreation v’s recreation
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May 31, 2009 11:56pm
Kingi

That’s actually quite an interesting analysis Glut of where the term comes from “tying the knot”.

However we need to change and evolve with time. If we never changed, we would live in a very boring world indeed.
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June 1, 2009 12:01am
side show bob

GM not sure if their love is “pure” don’t really care but I do agree with you, their ultimate desire is for control. That’s why marriage is so important to these people. If a marriage is between a man and a woman but is now between a man and a man or a woman and a woman then why not a man and a child or a woman and a her German shepherd, marriage has no clear borders anymore. What I’m trying to say is that they are trying to remove the definition of marriage is, plus a lot more.
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June 1, 2009 12:02am
side show bob

Yes Kingi I define what a marriage is, bloody two bob. I think marriage has been defined for at least a few thousand years but if you think you know better go for it.
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June 1, 2009 12:09am
reid

“…marriage has no clear borders anymore. What I’m trying to say is that they are trying to remove the definition of marriage…”

Exactly right SSB.

Aren’t people silly when they confuse gay marriage, a particularly insidious, evil and malicious social engineering agenda, with a human “right?”

Very sad to see that more than a few useful idiots on the conservative side have been sucked into that vortex. I expect of course, useful idiocy to abound in lefties, but I would have thought those conservatives who think it’s about human rights would have had a bit more perspicacity.
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June 1, 2009 1:07am
Redbaiter

“If we never changed, we would live in a very boring world indeed.”

There’s hardly a more boring thing known to man than the state of liberalism. Change for the sake of change. Narcissism dressed as social conscience. The treadmill of self indugence. One big yawn.
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June 1, 2009 1:42am
Bruce Hamilton

Re “tying the knot”, I suggest you search on Handfasting – a pagan ritual. No umbilical cords required.
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June 1, 2009 7:00am
Owen McShane

A point about the Super City Maori seats which has been overlooked is that an unexpected outcome will be to increase the power of the planners who have developed a state religion called “the Maori world view”.
Just have a look at your District Plan. A chapter called “Maori Issues” or some such will open with a statement along the lines “Maori believe …. and generally set out the belief systems of the Pacific Religion which was widely held prior to European contact and the widespread adoption of Christianity. One of my Maori neighbours is a Mormon and most of the Maori around the neighbourhood are Ratana Christian and deeply resent the claim (in a set of regulations) that they are not.
The word racism is tossed about in NZ but could there be anything more racist than presuming that all members of one ethnic group hold the same religious beliefs?
Imagine if your district plan had a chapter saying “Europeans believe in Genesis, and the Garden of Eden ….”, or that Arabs are Muslims or that Chinese are Taoists, or that Irish are Catholics.
But if the presumption of a common religion to Maori takes even greater hold then we can expect the Miusim population (who can be of any ethnicitiy) will make a claim for Muslim beliefs to be entrenched in law using the Maori precedent.

I shall be posting a lengthy analysis of this issue on my web site to promote further discussion of this issue.
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