General Debate 20 May 2009

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Ryan Sproull

It’s 8.20am.

How come no one’s posted about Mason yet?
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May 20, 2009 8:24am
siobhan

Listening to an unnamed radio station last night, providing news updates for the day.

Annette King slamming the governments announcement as underwhelming and lacking in detail. WTF was the announcement. It is obviously still more important to report on what Labour thinks of something, than actually reporting on what has been announced.
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May 20, 2009 8:31am
Whafe

The Pig Fiasco Rolls On

Basically New Zealander’s as people are BS when it comes to spending money on food that has been produced in a way that is deemed good, ethical etc etc etc… All this can be sorted with food when people vote with their wallets…

How many people would pay 10 cents extra for a bag of frozen peas that were grown in NZ as opposed to a 10 cent saving for peas produced in China????? Is seems fuck all people would, makes me sick to be honest, and sorry if it sounds like I am on my high horse….
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May 20, 2009 8:33am
expat

Annette days are numbered once the HBDHB details get accidentally leaked.
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May 20, 2009 8:35am
Ryan Sproull

How many people would pay 10 cents extra for a bag of frozen peas that were grown in NZ as opposed to a 10 cent saving for peas produced in China????? Is seems fuck all people would, makes me sick to be honest, and sorry if it sounds like I am on my high horse….

Most of the people I know would spend a lot more than that to buy locally rather than from China.
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May 20, 2009 8:38am
CraigM

“Most of the people I know would spend a lot more than that to buy locally rather than from China.”

I know I do. Even my (grown) kids check the label on the peanut butter for example, as they raid the pantry. They won’t eat food from China, which is no problem because I don’t buy any.

After all the years of food labelling for ‘safety’ sake, calorie counting, fat content etc…the ONLY part of the lable I read is the “made in…” part. (and ‘sourced from….” )

I know I pay more for my food but that is fine by me. You can still buy many products in budget brands made from non Chinese content. Except Peanut Butter.
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May 20, 2009 8:44am
CraigM

“How come no one’s posted about Mason yet?”

I don’t know aboput anyone else, but I haven’t said anything because I can’t figure out if he was convicted for flicking the ear or punching his son in the face. If it was the ear flick, I’d be disgusted. If he punched the kid, then he got what he deserved.
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May 20, 2009 8:47am
WraithX

When I am shopping I always buy the item that is best value for money. Often it is from overseas – sometimes from here (though less so these days as the minimum wage is making certain items more expensive than they should be).
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May 20, 2009 8:47am
siobhan

Whafe, whilst you are up there on your high horse, you might like to consider a consumers decision making drivers when standing over the frozen food section at Pak n Save.

For those of us who are fortunate enough to earn a substantial income, we can comfortably make ethics a little higher up on that list of drivers. For those less fortunate, maybe price has a bigger influence.

In a number of cases we should be glad that they are even looking at peas and not sitting at the drive through at KFC.

I think before we make moral judgements on what people rate as important in their decision making processes – we should consider their situation first.
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May 20, 2009 8:49am
MyNameIsJack

CraigM parrots the line Bob Mcroskie was pushing on National radio. He was convicted for the punch, he is a thuig who deserves the conviction and the consequences, get over it.
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May 20, 2009 8:53am
goodgod

It’s comforting that only roughly ten percent of participants don’t believe in facts:

http://tinyurl.com/pyu583

..it was once nearing 20%

Can’t wait to see John Key tell the public how he’s going to ignore their resounding response to the referendum “for the good of the nation”.
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May 20, 2009 8:57am
expat

What, media zombies parroting what they have sucked up by osmosis?
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May 20, 2009 8:57am
Ryan Sproull

After all the years of food labelling for ’safety’ sake, calorie counting, fat content etc…the ONLY part of the lable I read is the “made in…” part. (and ’sourced from….” )

I know I pay more for my food but that is fine by me. You can still buy many products in budget brands made from non Chinese content. Except Peanut Butter.

Yeah, I’m the same. I try to buy almost exclusively NZ-made, for many reasons – transport, safety, supporting local economy, quality. I don’t mind paying more for that. I heard a lady on bFM on Monday who’s written a book about seasonal local produce in New Zealand, which I’m interested in buying.
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May 20, 2009 9:00am
Rakaia George

MNIJ – as far as I can see from the reports he has to have been convicted of the ear-flick because he admitted that, whereas:

“The incident on the ramp had not been seen by witnesses at the trial. But they had told of hearing Mason afterwards, swearing and shouting at the boys.” (stuff)

So how can he have been convicted of punching his son in the face, if it wasn’t witnessed by anyone? Hmmm?
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May 20, 2009 9:01am
Ryan Sproull

So how can he have been convicted of punching his son in the face, if it wasn’t witnessed by anyone? Hmmm?

That is very strange. For a criminal charge, the court requires proof beyond reasonable doubt, I thought. Without witnesses, how could they have that proof?
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May 20, 2009 9:02am
NOt1tocommentoften

That is very strange. For a criminal charge, the court requires proof beyond reasonable doubt, I thought. Without witnesses, how could they have that proof?

Given that the charge requires hitting another human being, did you consider whether or not the child may have given evidence? I presume he would have seen what happened…
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May 20, 2009 9:06am
Murray

And genocide jack kicks off his day with another false claim and nappy wetting squeal.

Craigm parroted nothing and did in now way claim to support anyone who punched a child. Lean some elementary fucking comprehension jackboot because all we get from you is half arsed inuendo and outright lies.

You’re a repulive left wing troll with no grasp of reality.
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May 20, 2009 9:09am
NOt1tocommentoften

Then ignore him Murray. All your comments do is aggravate him. If you want to hear less from him then ignore him.
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May 20, 2009 9:10am
david

Country of origin labelling can only work if consumers know what they are buying.

Two classic cases of consumer ignorance and lack of journalistic intelligence (or integrity – I’m not sure which) was demonstrated on TV1 news last night. Both in the pork drama.

First was a reporter talking about bacon being made from “local and imported ingredients” and offering the view that this was impossible, backed up by two bimbos (teenage shoppers) who couldn’t work it out either. Any dumb idiot knows that there is more to bacon than just the pork so it is quite concievable that the pork was Canadian and the salt was NZ or vice versa and the nitrates are pretty much all imported. Ignorant or just peddling an untruth to the ignorant ? you decide

The second was the reporter who was cooking 2 slices of bacon on a BBQ. One was supposedly free range and the other was supposedly “factory farmed”. This scientific experiment which presumably continued through visual inspection and a taste comparison was a prime example of the lack of skill, knowledge, intellect and journalistic standards becoming commonplace.

I left the room but not before considering the factors that might distinguish one slice of bacon from another. Starting from breed of pig, through nutrition of the growing baconer (a very different animal from a porker BTW) continuing through its weight at slaughter, fat cover, age and condition at slaughter, conditions of slaughter, aging, type of smokehouse, curing method, curing brine ingredients and formula, site of slice from carcass, packaging type and style, age and treatment since curing .. these are some of the factors that might distinguish a good piece of bacon from a less good one and these turkeys who provide news and information for public consumption pushed the KKK (Kedgely, King and Krieke Inc) line about animal welfare and psychology to the exclusion of truth and reality.

rant over for now.
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May 20, 2009 9:13am
Inventory2

Did anyone else see Sue Bradford on telly this morning saying that there was “evidence” that the anti-smacking law had changed attitudes towards “violence” to children? I reckon she should put up that evidence, or shut up:

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/05/great-start-not.html
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May 20, 2009 9:20am
virtualmark

I caught a bit of an interview with Mason on TV1’s Breakfast show this morning. Now I know what happened to Sideshow Bob.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideshow_Bob for those playing along at home).
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May 20, 2009 9:42am
NeillR

Re the pig-farming:
So SAFE and Mike King admit that they broke and entered Mr Kay’s property. MAF has cleared Mr Kay of any malpractice with regard to the animals. It seems that the only laws that have been broken have been by SAFE and Mike King – i await their prosecution with bated breath.
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May 20, 2009 10:21am
WraithX

Ryan Sproull said: “I try to buy almost exclusively NZ-made, for many reasons – transport, safety, supporting local economy, quality”

I hate to break it to you Ryan, but the quality of food in NZ is at an all time low in my opinion. After returning from living in England I was shocked at how little there is on offer here in terms of fresh meat – furthermore, because we have a virtual monopoly in dairy (Fonterra), no one bothers to set up specialised production as you see in England. At a butcher in England you can get any cut of any meat (if it is in season) and you can even select which part of the country it came from and decide based on what it was fed. Not only does that not exist here, it seems that NZers only eat roasts, steak, and chops – because it is almost impossible to find alternatives to that at the major supermarkets. Even venison is only available in vacuum packed form as thinly sliced steaks. NZ has some of the best venison in the world – why can’t we get it? As for lamb: the best New Zealand lamb is in England – I have not yet found lamb in NZ which is as good as the NZ lamb that we export.

I was at the butcher’s yesterday trying to get veal – he said: “You can’t get veal in New Zealand anymore”. I have been back in NZ for a year now and I have not seen veal in any butchers or supermarket so far.

We are not allowed to make our own unpasteurised cheeses or butters (thank Annette King), but we are allowed to sell imported ones from England and France.

More Wilsons at least supplies rabbit and a few other more unusual things, but a lot of that is imported.

Supermarkets sell potatoes labelled roasting, baking, chipping, mashing – but don’t tell you what the potato is – and believe me, it really makes a difference.

New Zealander’s belief that NZ food is the best in the world is now as realistic as their belief that anyone outside of NZ gives a shit about our no-nuclear position. We did once have the world’s best food – now we are surpassed even by the nation that had the reputation of having the worst food in the world.

And as long as TV cooking shows from NZ show “chefs” using store bought ingredients like stock and packet mixes, this will not change.
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May 20, 2009 10:48am
Inventory2

Indeed NeillR – I wonder if we’ll hear Howard Broad explaining that a prosecution was “not in the public interest” 🙂
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May 20, 2009 11:10am
alex Masterley

Neilr, me too.
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May 20, 2009 11:16am
Ed Snack

WraithX, when it comes to lamb, the basic problem is price, UK (and EU, US, and Japanese) consumers pay considerably more for their NZ lamb than NZ consumers are apparently prepared to pay. And the UK (and all exported premium lamb) is more expensive to produce because of the compliance requirements for export that don’t exist for the same product sold locally.

That said, some local producers do sell premium export lamb locally, but in small amounts and often only to selected outlets or to restaurants. The volume is typically too small to be worth the effort. There is nothing stopping a smaller meat company from selling premium lamb locally except that they compete for carcasses with the exporters and although their costs are lower, not that much lower, so without the price premium it can be difficult to justify the more expensive techniques used to produce the premium cuts.

With Venison the problem is near identical, export markets pay much higher prices and are more profitable even allowing for the much higher costs associated with exporting. Beef less so but the same issue exists.

So the basic issue is that overseas consumers in first world nations are prepared to pay significantly more than NZ consumers for the same food, mostly because they are wealthier with higher disposable incomes. You can get properly labelled and locally produced foods generally only if you shop in specialist outlets and pay a sometimes very significant price premium. Bottom line, NZ is relatively poor and has become relatively poorer over the past 30 years as productivity has lagged.
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May 20, 2009 11:23am
village idiot

Swines!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/news-cartoons/news/article.cfm?c_id=500814&objectid=10573294
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May 20, 2009 11:24am
Brian Smaller

Wraithx – you are dead right. I have given up buying meat from supermarkets and now try to get all my meat from local butchers who at least can cut you steaks that are not half a cm thick, give you a decent pork belly and so on. I would suggest that people try their local butcher shop rather than the supermarket. While we cannot get veal (my kids discovered milk veal when we went home to Italy some years back) the butcher will give you what you cuts you want. An example – I wanted a kilo of diced lamb. He trimmed and cut it for me, for the same price as I would have paid in the supermarket for diced lamb that was very fatty.
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May 20, 2009 11:39am
Ryan Sproull

Wraith,

I don’t eat red meat or chicken, so the quality of NZ meat isn’t much of a problem to me, though I agree with you about the absurdity of many of those things – especially unpasteurised cheeses. Because most of what I buy is vegetable, the quality is generally better with local stuff because of transport distances – plus, you can generally select good quality from bad quality when you’re buying vegetables at a market.
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May 20, 2009 11:40am
NOt1tocommentoften

Wrath – compltely agree. Though word is that the regulations sorrounding unpasteurised products are to be loosened in the next wee while. Fingers crossed for good cheese sake.
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May 20, 2009 11:48am
Chthoniid

I actually think NZ food is of a high quality, haven recently eaten in France, the UK, China and the USA.
The point is that supermarkets don’t offer much in the way of price advantages in terms of fresh fruit, vegetables and meat. The margins can’t be trimmed back the way that canned and packaged food is.

And in terms of freshness, supermarkets can be out-competed by local specialist stores, so that’s where you go to find fresh, high quality foods. Seek and you will find. It’s taken me a while to find a fresh-fish store I like, but that’s now got our business in practical perpetuity. Never again will we have to eat slightly aged, bland hoki fillets…
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May 20, 2009 11:55am
WraithX

Wow – I thought I would be downvoted for my food rant – I am amazed the so many others are annoyed by this as well – and I guess slightly heartened – if enough of us are annoyed, eventually we might bring about changes. However, the fact that NZ is now so poor does contribute greatly. When I left here you could buy caviar (granted not the highest quality – but caviar nonetheless) at the supermarket – now even Kirkcaldies in Wellington don’t stock it – they have to order it in specially.
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May 20, 2009 12:01pm
Grizz

Wrath, Compared to many countries I have visited, I find that good seafood is readily available in New Zealand. If you want the meat you are looking for, get yourself a big freezer and find a homekill butcher. They can often source the animal you are looking for and get you the cuts you want. If there are parts you do not want, often the butcher will find a way to onsell them.
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May 20, 2009 12:02pm
WraithX

Chthoniid: I haven’t been to China, but the best meals I ever ate were in France (steak), the UK (the Fat Duck – best restaurant in the world for two years), and the US. The quality of restaurants in all of those countries were vastly superior to ours and I have eaten in many of our top restaurants. Having said that, England does still have some incredibly bad food. But it is better to have some incredibly bad and some incredibly good, than to have mostly mediocre which seems to be our plight.

Ryan: I agree about veges – you can pick them yourself and get the best quality that way – but that is only the best of what is on offer here. Two examples: I have not found anyone that cells fennel bulb here, nor celeriac (though that was available before I left NZ). I also haven’t seen salsify.

Worse still are herbs and spices – I grow my own herbs so that doesn’t bother me as much, but I can’t even buy mace or whole allspice (pimento) in a supermarket. They may be available at a health food shop maybe, but they were all available at supermarkets before I left. I am fast learning that I need to change my shopping habits and locations. Isn’t it funny how the lack of products in supermarkets is driving some of us back to the very thing supermarkets nearly destroyed: local markets. Unfortunately though, most people are now dumbed down into thinking mediocre is okay and they don’t know what they are missing – and the supermarkets just cater to them.
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May 20, 2009 12:06pm
llew

We are not allowed to make our own unpasteurised cheeses or butters (thank Annette King), but we are allowed to sell imported ones from England and France.

This predates Annette King by several decades at least – some cheesemaker was on the radio the other day saying how he was pinged in the 80s for making unpasteurised cheese – but the crux of the story was that this is likely to change to allow him & others to do so in future.
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May 20, 2009 12:09pm
Berliner

WELL MR FARRAR!

WORLD FIRST: Whaleoil Wrong, Admits it
In a world first, I can reveal that I made a mistake in a blog post. Over the weekend, I criticised Fran O’Sullivan for suggesting that Police Minister Judith Collins could launch an inquiry into the dodgy business of Howard Broad’s politically corrupt handling of the “investigation” into the theft of Don Brash’s emails and subsequent cover up.
In fact, Fran was right and I was wrong.
According to the Cabinet Manual and the Department of Internal Affairs’ very useful document ” Setting Up and Running Commissions of Inquiry”, any Minister, including the Police Minister, can set up a Commission of Inquiry. Commissions of Inquiry can inquire into any matter of major public importance or concern to the government of the day. Any Minister may propose an inquiry, but must consult the Prime Minister and the Attorney-General first, prior to submitting the proposal to Cabinet. Before giving its approval, Cabinet should seek advice form the relevant Minister’s office, the relevant department, DPMC and the Crown Law Office.
So Judith Collins can act. And she should. She has previously said she is worried about the public perception our police bosses are politically corrupt. If she doesn’t act, it looks like the new government is hiding something.
PS. Over at Kiwiblog, Farrar made the same mistake. Will he admit he was wrong, and join WOBH’s call for an inquiry?
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May 20, 2009 12:47pm
Chthoniid

WraithX: I have eaten excellent meals in all places- but I’m wary of say comparing our supermarket fare with the ‘top’ restaurants overseas.

And I’ve eaten a lot of mediocre meals everywhere as well. I’ve had some very nice French meals in some small cities with their local cuisine flavouring things, but even in France it’s not a universal experience.

Where I think NZ food does stand out, is when you want to eat fresh, high-quality food. We can often exploit a very short supply chain direct from grower or fisher to us. It’s fresh and given the endowments of soil, climate and oceans- can be of quality that other countries struggle to match.

The catch is that our pastoral heritage kind of locks a lot of people into a meat-and-3-vege eating culture.

Personally, our family is very big on seafood. The fish we can get in NZ is superb. We have clean oceans that produce a suite of very palatable species, all of which can be bought very fresh (especially if you spurn supermarkets). But most kiwis never venture from lemon-fish with their fish-n-chips (gag), hoki (bland) or snapper (nice, but over-priced). My personal favourite is blue nose. But in terms of taste, freshness and quality, nowhere else is that matched.
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May 20, 2009 12:47pm
kevin_mcm

Wrathx – just back from the hawkes bay – attended the farmers market & saw both fennel bulbs & celeriac. have also seen fennel around Auckland shops. Have to say the quality of food in HB was excellent – big range of fresh herbs, greens salads etc.

I try and avoid buying anything fresh from a supermarket, and use the specialty shops so you can get some control over quality.
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May 20, 2009 12:50pm
MyNameIsJack

If you still need proof that Bush and Rumsfeld ran an insane White House and went to war to fulfll their ideas of what the end times needed, look here for the proof.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124266487032730893.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

What a bunch of sick fucks.

http://men.style.com/gq/features/topsecret
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May 20, 2009 1:38pm
dime

Wraithx – kiwi cooking shows are a joke. they have to whore themselves out to “pams” and the like to cover costs.

Although the worst product placement whore of all time is that aussie guy with the mo. my god. everytime i see him i think of waynes world/pizza hutt.
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May 20, 2009 1:42pm
dime

jack – LMAO overreact much?

hope you call the islamic extremists “sick fucks” for bring religion into their wars..
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May 20, 2009 1:44pm
Chthoniid

dime- there are kiwi cooking shows???
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May 20, 2009 1:47pm
MyNameIsJack

dime – I call anyone, that is ANYONE, who believes that religion justifies anything they do, sick fucks.

and just out of interest, how do you propose determinng wo of the religious is an extemeist? They must either adhere to the religion, or not.
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May 20, 2009 1:48pm
freethinker

Did any else feel the Close up interview with the Pork Industry spokesman was a PR disaster for them and an expose of TVNZ1 when Sainsbury failed to deny that the station failed to contact Trengrove until lunchtime?
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May 20, 2009 1:54pm
dime

jack – ya crack me up man.

Person A) – “i live a good christain lifetsyle, i do my best not to lie, cheat, steal etc.. i try to be a good guy. i take guidance from the bible”

Jack – “sick fuck”

dude im not a fan of organised religion at all… but youre a tad over the top.

chthoniid – yea there are a couple. i think aprils show may have been canned though.
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May 20, 2009 1:55pm
Brian Smaller

kevin – Fenal grows wild all over the place. The Hutt river bank is practically a forest of fenal and blackberry – all free for the taking.

Vegetable brought in local green grocers and the supermarket all come from the vege markets. Almost all produce is picked before it is at optimal age for eating so that it can keep long enough to get into the stores. That is why the fresh stuff straight from our garden is so much better. Failing that, if you have to buy unseasonal vegetables then frozen veges are pretty good food-wise because they are picked, processed and frozen in a very short time.
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May 20, 2009 1:55pm
MyNameIsJack

dime (1299) Vote: 0 1 Says:

May 20th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
jack – ya crack me up man.

Person A) – “i live a good christain lifetsyle, i do my best not to lie, cheat, steal etc.. i try to be a good guy. i take guidance from the bible”

So person A) either kills homosexuals, owns slaves, rapes the women of those he conquers, kills any disobedient children, refuses to eat pork and shellfish, has sex with his own daughters, tears out his own eye if he looks on a woman with lust OR he is not a good christian and takes little frm the bible.
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May 20, 2009 2:00pm
Ruth

Brian Smaller wild fennel and bulb fennel are two different things. Wild fennel is just fronds which have a very strong taste.

Agree that bulb fennel has not taken on here – same with fresh artichoke.
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May 20, 2009 2:08pm
Brian Smaller

Fennel fronds are good for garnish and in cooking. Bulbs are great in salads or cooked. A lot less aniseed tasting as many people think. This year our artichokes did not do well. Very disappointing.
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May 20, 2009 2:23pm
dime

jack – issues with Christians much?

how bout an islamic example for us? come on! tear into your lefty islam mates 🙂
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May 20, 2009 3:01pm
goodgod

MNIJ implies that christians…

either kills homosexuals, owns slaves, rapes the women of those he conquers, kills any disobedient children, refuses to eat pork and shellfish, has sex with his own daughters, tears out his own eye if he looks on a woman with lust OR he is not a good christian and takes little frm the bible…

labelling them as sickfucks, while reality proves instead that MNIJ is just a garden variety dumb fuck.
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May 20, 2009 3:05pm
Chuck Bird

Can’t wait to see John Key tell the public how he’s going to ignore their resounding response to the referendum “for the good of the nation”.

I wonder if John Key will take any notice of John Boscawen’s Private Member’s Bill which actually is a sensible compromise?

http://section59.blogspot.com/2009/05/john-boscawens-private-members-bill.html
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May 20, 2009 3:06pm
MyNameIsJack

dime, it was you who profferred an example of a supposedly good xtian. I therefore responded to that.

You could have easilly written “Person A) – “i live a good moslem lifetsyle, i do my best not to lie, cheat, steal etc.. i try to be a good guy. i take guidance from the koran”. If you had, my answer would have been similar, although you will find many more moslems follow the koran 100% than you will xtians who follow the bible even 50%.

Which bit of “dime – I call anyone, that is ANYONE, who believes that religion justifies anything they do, sick fucks.” are you having trouble understanding? I think that more than adequately covers Islam as well.

Now, would you like to buy one of my crucified mohammed T-shirts?
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May 20, 2009 3:06pm
dime

the thing is jack – im not sure what the big deal is with your bush link.

a christian country at war.. has a few lines from the bible on some documents.. ummmmmm

the reason i bring up the muslim thing is i never see you in here going “the teleban just did this, sick fucks”.. its always an anti-US, anti-christian thing
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May 20, 2009 3:27pm
NOt1tocommentoften

Chuck – why amend section 59? Why should I be able to assault my child? I find it strange that no one can see that this simply reinforces violence.
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May 20, 2009 3:39pm
MyNameIsJack

dime, I have posted many times about stupid muslims and stupidity in Islam, maybe you missed that.

And since when has the USofA been a xtian country in anything other than the minds of fundie xtians? It was founded as a secular nation, it has a secular constitution and it has a clear separation of church and state, something the military should be reminded of.

The majority of my comments on religion are aimed at religions in general, people like YOU always want to make it about xtianity exclusively.
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May 20, 2009 3:47pm
Ryan Sproull

the reason i bring up the muslim thing is i never see you in here going “the teleban just did this, sick fucks”..

You’re unlikely to find anyone speaking approvingly of the Taliban on this blog, whereas you will find people speaking approvingly of the United States. It doesn’t spawn much discussion to say things everyone agrees with.
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May 20, 2009 3:48pm
MyNameIsJack

NOt1, it is because they are bible believing xtian fundies who think it is their god given right.
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May 20, 2009 3:50pm
dime

ryan – i just like to check that our resident lefties are consistant. ive seen a tonne of christian bashing on this site.. usually from the sort that insist islam is a relgion of peace.

jack – ive never seen you speak badly of islam, but ill take you at your word so i apologise. you hate all religion equally, good for you 🙂
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May 20, 2009 3:53pm
Chuck Bird

“Why should I be able to assault my child?”

No one suggest you should. Anyone who does not know the difference between a smack on the legs or bottom and a hit or an assault should not have children. I heard some retarded ideologue on talkback say that Mason should have told his boys that they would not have their bikes for a week or even give them away to some more deserving kids if they did not behave. Most four year olds let alone two year olds have no concept of a week let alone forever. Such long term punishments are more suitable to older children not toddlers.

Police and CYF officials wasting time investigating minor smacking is time that could be better used investing genuine child abuse or children at serious risk.
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May 20, 2009 3:59pm
Whafe

siobhan (177) Vote: 9 1 Says:

May 20th, 2009 at 8:49 am

I would take on your point with more seriousness, but generally those that say they cant afford the 10 cents have a trolley full of food items that are not really needed, i.e. cigerettes, chocolate biscuits etc etc etc….. Go ahead tell me I am a judgemental prick….

Next time you go shopping, try and find some raspberry jam with only NZ raspberries !!!! Best of luck…..
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May 20, 2009 4:38pm
Ratbiter

UN Group against Tasers in NZ

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/5581126

FFS! This leftie is completely in favour of giving the Police Tasers.

When will the bleeding hearts learn that the idea is they are used as an alternative to BULLETS, not as an alternative to asking questions?
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May 20, 2009 6:21pm
Glutaemus Maximus

That bloke from SAFE, Krieke?

Yet another Dutch twat with an axe to grind.
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May 21, 2009 12:40am
Patrick Starr

so the ‘ban everything except pot party’ meets it’s kettle

“The powers of the agency designing Auckland’s Super City are “draconian”, says Green MP Sue Kedgley.”

I suppose the Greens just wish they were running it!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10573561
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