General Debate 8 April 2009

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kiwipolemicist

72% of police want the drinking age raised. When will these Nanny-State idiots realise that the drinking age isn’t the problem?

It’s also rather hypocritical, in view of the hard drinking prevalent among police.

http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/police-want-drinking-age-raised/
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April 8, 2009 8:28am
aardvark

Be carefull… if you blog about an AP story you might find your arse in court!

Strange but true — AP has lost the plot again and is threatening *anyone* who “misappropriates” their news with legal action.

Blogged about it today – I wonder if they’ll sue me? 🙂
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April 8, 2009 8:28am
kiwipolemicist

aardvark: I was reading the Copyright Act the other day. AP are bonkers.

http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/copyright-law/
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April 8, 2009 8:43am
greenfly

Here comes the Tolleycopter! Watch out! In the sky for half an hour at a cost of $1800, doing vital work for education and most importantly, keeping costs down in line with the proclamations of the National Government. What a saving! What a Tolley! Bill, your defense of the indefensible in the House was …sad.
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April 8, 2009 8:43am
Patrick Starr

I think I have figured the Nats amendments to the 3 strikes policy, on the 3rd strike you get offered dep. chair of an SOE board.

Think about it – it will weaken the ranks of the criminal community
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April 8, 2009 8:46am
aardvark

Kiwipolemicist — AP’s actions aren’t being taken under the copyright Act but an obscure bit of US legislation enacted during WW1 which actually gave news agencies the right to sue for protection of *the facts* rather than the prose.

Of course this won’t affect Kiwi bloggers but it could have a chilling effect on our US-domiciled peers.
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April 8, 2009 9:02am
Inventory2

greenfly said “Bill, your defense of the indefensible in the House was …sad.”

But nowhere near as sad as an opposition using two of its six questions to try and “gotcha” the Minister – and then being exposed as a pack of hypocrites

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/04/poor-phil.html

What’s that metallic sound I hear? Knives been sharpened perhaps?
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April 8, 2009 9:10am
aardvark

Is it only me, or are others equally insulted by Pita Sharple’s demands that Maori be given (as a right) seats on the new Auckland supercity administration?

What’s wrong with Maori getting off their fat bums and doing what others do if they want representation: field candidates, campaign hard and get their people to vote.

Given that Europeans are in the minority in Auckland and that Maori and Polynesian are in the majority, if they can’t get themselves elected then they are just lazy and don’t deserve to be there.

And Sharples should stop his whingey, whiney, bitching and moaning every time he can’t get what he wants for Maori. This is a democracy buddy, learn to live with the fact that having your say in a democracy requires that you exert a little effort as a people. And if I hear the phrased “institutionalised racism” used again when Maori can’t get special privilege then I’ll scream.
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April 8, 2009 9:11am
greenfly

The Tolleycopter ride does go some way toward explaining Anne’s dizziness. That said, she does seem to be seeing some light in not entertaining National’s doomed idea of National Standard Testing for 7 year olds. That’s dead in the water.

aardvark speaks for us all when he says:

What’s wrong with Maori getting off their fat bums

You’re a trouper aard! 🙂
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April 8, 2009 9:19am
dime

Greenfly “your defense of the indefensible on this blog is sad”

Drinking age – make it 20 again, just to keep them out of bars and clubs. giggling kids running around clubs txting gives me the shits.
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April 8, 2009 9:34am
PhilBest

“….New Zealanders need to start talking about why the World Economic Forum ranked New Zealand 51st for burden of government, 67th for the extent and effect of tax, and 90th for hiring and firing practices…..”

Ah, at last a realistic assessment of these factors. Why have there been so many other studies that show NZ so high for “ease of doing business” and all that?

DPF commented: “…..Sadly I don’t see great improvements ahead. Maybe with time……”

This is urgent and important. New Zealanders now desperately need someone to communicate a few home truths to them.

The utilisation of resources is what determines our total economic outcome. In so far as we have increases in income, and in government revenue and spending, that has to relate to the utilisation of resources. If our incomes are increasing and the government is spending more on welfare schemes and health and education and buying “assetts” and subsidising projects and constituency groups; that has to relate to more utilisation of resources. To some extent it will relate to more efficient utlilisation of the same resources, but mostly, it is more resources.

Arbitrarily reducing our ability to utilise resources, including reductions in efficiency of resource utilisation, will carry a penalty in terms of our incomes and what we can afford. Less utilisation of resources will mean having to give up some of the things we have become accustomed to; perhaps some government subsidies, some bureaucrats jobs; perhaps our maternity leave provisions and our wage award rates.

We are assuming that our economic downturn now, is the result of a financial sector crash in the USA and the flow on effects in world markets. But firstly, we need to realise that our economy went into recession ahead of everyone else’s. Secondly, we need to realise that our economy was artificial well before that. A few percent of our GDP for the last few years was driven by people borrowing against the gain in value of their houses, and spending the money. This is exactly the same sort of problem that has caused the USA’s system to crash.

Meanwhile, the government could posture about being fiscally responsible, as their tax revenue was artificially high; and they found new uses for that revenue windfall. Now that we are facing a painful return to economic reality, no-one is attempting to communicate the reality that all these windfall spending projects of the Labour government were in reality not affordable at the time, let alone now, when we have to unwind the consequences of this artificial living beyond our means.

New Zealanders attitudes have been that “we can afford it”. Now that, after all the pain of Rogernomics, our economy is “strong” and we are no longer worried about our job security, we can impose burdens on the business and the productive sector to ensure that workers are protected and the environment is protected; and “we can afford” to redistribute income and support politically popular projects and constituencies.

We actually couldn’t. But our new government has only got into office by promising NOT to touch any of this unrealistic “spread the prosperity”, “social objectives” stuff.

How long will it take and how deep into the crap will we have to get? Remember how deep 3 years of Kirk/Rowling followed by 9 years of Muldoon got us? We were 20 years paying debt off. Yet the politicians who faced the music and did the most of the necessary belt tightening are pariahs today. The ingrainedness of wrong attitudes today could mean the gradual Latin-Americanisation of NZ.

We will only turn our economy around by unshackling business and enterprise and accepting that resources will need to be utilised. All the rest is “Faery Gold”; financial whiz-kiddery and expansion of debt won’t cut it; and the government playing tooth fairy won’t cut it.
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April 8, 2009 9:44am
Komata

Dear Mr Sharples

To whine and throw a tantrum whenever your ethnic groupingof choice doesn’t get what it wants , and to bring out the hoary old ‘institutionalised rascism’ comment does you no credit whatever and alienates all those who muight otherwise support you.

Your people didn’t loose, they never HAVE lost – they have just been ‘absorbed’ and are now ‘New Zealander’s’ (gasp!!) no matter how much you and your friends care to delude yourself and think otherwise.

Or, to put it simply, there ARE no Maori any more – they are all gone (every single one of them) and even you are an example of that fact (your name sir, your name).

So please, Mr Sharples, sir, enough of the posturing. Kiwi’s are sick of it, and would actually like it very much if you and yours actually get to and do some work – just to prove that you can – and to suport this country which you seem so very betermied to destroy.

The handouts are over – because the hand that has, up until now, fed you, has been bitten once too often, and you now run the very distinct risk of becoming a laughing stock.

Or, to put it another way, most of us no longer care, and, thankfully, what worked under Helen, simply no longer cuts it.

Times have changed, New Zealand has moved on, and 10% of the population can no longer hold the other 90% to ransom

So please, sir, go away, take your mates with you and actually go and do some work – just like the rest of us.

You might even care to actually start looking after your own – something which, sadly, you are extremely conspicuous for not actually doing, and when they are no longer benefit-dependent and once again have pride AND ARE PREPARED TO MUCK-IN WITH THE REST OF US instead of whining like spoilt children, we can talk.

But until then . . .

Sincerely.
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April 8, 2009 9:54am
s.russell

The Dominion Post reports:

Nats hand out plum jobs for favourites
By TRACY WATKINS
National has rewarded former leader Don Brash and party president Judy Kirk with plum jobs in its first major round of political appointments since taking office…..

That’s pretty shoddy, Tracy. Using the word “rewarded” carries the clear implication that the sole reason these people have been appointed is the services they have rendered to National.

In MY opinion both are eminently well qualified for the positions, and if they had not been associated with National their appointments would have raised no eyebrows at all. If your opinion is different you should say so as opinion – not as a statement of fact.
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April 8, 2009 11:30am
CraigM

Komata – any chance you have sent that open letter to every editor of a major daily paper in the country?

Have you actually emailed it to Sharples?

Hope it is a YES to both.

Good job Sir.
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April 8, 2009 11:36am
Inventory2

s.russell – agreed – the media is happy to report on ONE board appointment to National’s OUTGOING president, but astutely ignored the MULTIPLE directorships held by acertain CURRENT Labour Party president – I smell hypocrisy!
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April 8, 2009 12:52pm
Komata

CraigM

Thank you for your feedback.

No, I haven’t considered it – the MSM would never publish it (remember – the TRUTH is Red!!), while Sharples et al, would merely see it as further justification of their status as ‘the poor, hard-done-by’ and recommence their whining.

What you suggest is a lovely thought, but as long as the Media and ‘Maori’ have these sorts of attitudes, nothing is going to change, and until one of their own actually ‘owns-up’ to reality and admits they have no case (aka’tells the truth’), it’s ‘situation normal’

Oh, for one of their own to be brave enough – just once!
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April 8, 2009 1:24pm
Glutaemus Maximus

Still reeling from Helen Clarks statement on Yesterday afternoons TV ONE wee chat, that accommodation is not part of her UN package.

At that level of authority or responsibility I am truly gobsmacked.

She did allude to always wanting to live near work, and had her eye on a few places in SoHo.

That all makes sense then.

Money in lieu of an official residence. Difference gets pocketed at ‘sans tax’.

She then gets to entirely choose her own pad in the very most Bohemian part of Manhattan. Bohemian and the largest GLT area of

the World for living. Think Sydney has boasting rights on Carnivals for alternative lifestylers.

So once more being extremely economical with the truth.

The real truth is near to being pinged.

ACTUALLY BORED WITH THAT ELEMENT, IT IS THE PIGS IN TROUGHS THAT GETS ME THE MOST.

She will truly have a ball in that Metro Area, City, District, and Gay Ghetto
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April 8, 2009 1:42pm
gd

the tax revolt in California is the beginning of a nationwide protest that will swept acorss the western world. Tax and rate payers have had a gutsful of pollies civil servants and now bankers and car makers pissing their hard fought earnings up against the wall.

the arrogant and contemptuous ones are now going to face the reality of voter power saying enough is enough.

The call will be for a cap and a justification on all spending to weed out the waste and the corrupt governance that has caused the current crisis.

Wonderful stuff and it couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of arseholes
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April 8, 2009 4:34pm
gd

Good work Komata Time Sharples and the other Horis grew a brain and grew up

And is they object to being called Horis then change the attitude and take the old CD out of the top 2 inches and get a copy of the 21st Century CD in there.

I and many others have to borrow from the exPM moved on and am sooooooooooooo over them.
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April 8, 2009 4:44pm
joeAverage

My rant tonight is for the memory of MR PATEL 78YEARS OLD BASHED to death in front of school children by a ARSEHOLE islander called bio obrien from some hell hole called tuvulu where they breed KILLERS, MR Patel lived a LONG life till he meet obrien a brave basher from the islands PERONALY, im tired of tagging im tired of kids getting the ISLAND BASH im tired OF ISLANDERS KILLING kids along with MAORIS the prime KID KILLERS
WOW a 27 yo giving the bash against a 78 yo WAS SO BRAVE NOT cowardly fucken islander,DIE IN JAIL CUNT
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April 8, 2009 5:12pm
noskire

Social Development Minister burgled – gee, I wonder what her daughter’s boyfriend was up to at the time…

[DPF: He is in prison, as you know]
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April 8, 2009 5:55pm
joeAverage

did he bash a old man to death NO[ DPF]
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April 8, 2009 7:56pm
joeAverage

i love the city of death auckland,NOT say the rest of NZ and me
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April 8, 2009 8:00pm
wreck1080

Joe Average, what drugs are you on?
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April 8, 2009 11:27pm
Viking2

If he didn’t bash him to death he did the next most heinous thing and that was to beat him within and inc of his life causing his death. Lets not be nice to scumbag island hoping, marriage arranging, citizenship seeking, student loan free shitheads.
Send him to jail for 10 and then export the shit to whence he came . Fuck up his life. Why Not. (I am incensed that anyone would support world crap of this nature in NZ. I have posted many thousands of posts in various blogs and have never used foul language until today. That is an indication as to how I feel about this sort of walking shit.)
No wonder good NZer’s leave to be replaced with the unintelligent low life arseholes. We no longer have any community standards and values that we stand up for and are proud of.

We need change and better leadership.
No doubt crusher Collins is more bothered about a few noisy cars than this scum. Lets see her now change the law so that one can’t marry into citizenship, that citizenship requires effort and good behavoir and student loans aren’t lent out to non NZer’s to buy BMW’s and beat up taxpaying Kiwi’s. We could go on.
Time for Collins to really stand up and be counted.
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