General Debate 2 April 2009

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Glutaemus Maximus

G20 rioters smash windows in the financial district of London.

This helps the world because?

Why don’t they do VSO/A work overseas?

No dole out there of course!

Power Prices leap again and again.

Directors of the Utilities thought that a 100% increase in their own salaries was a top idea.

Gouging of the highest order.

On another matter, has it been confirmed that the Government is suspending or freezing UN subscriptions?
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April 2, 2009 8:08am
Glutaemus Maximus

Oh, and the French are posturing, by threatening a walk-out of the G20 summit.

Quelle Surprise?

And then they have just re-joined NATO command.

Oh Contraire!

At least we snotted them 32-10 last weekend. Happy Days.
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April 2, 2009 8:18am
Murray

You mean like they walked out of WWI with their mutiny and WWII by their cameo role?

Colour me giving a crap.
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April 2, 2009 8:21am
TWF

What do people think were the best April Fools pranks this year? come on guys i know there were some brilliant ones out there. E.g. Microsoft buys Apple
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April 2, 2009 8:22am
CraigM

from Herald this morning:

“An umbrella group representing 28 local Chinese organisations wants the Government to follow South Africa’s lead in refusing to grant the Dalai Lama a visa to visit.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10564785

It will be very interesting to see how this develops.
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April 2, 2009 8:28am
Murray

There were some totaly stupid ones that were simple comericalism and on any other day of the week would have resulted in legal action.

I miss racer… damn windage!
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April 2, 2009 8:28am
jcuknz

I see the worlds financial problem as the America’s foolish fear of nationalisation as opposed to Europe’s acceptance that there has to be a safety net. That keeping people in their work and houses and spending to keep the ecconomy going is the the vital thing to work our way out of this mess. The silly Obama policy of the government taking the risk and the banks taking the profits will only lead to further risky practices. If you cannot loose why take care? Which is the argument against both America and Europe[ and New Zealand] to balance self interest of the indiviodual against the needs of a modern ecconomy where there are so many and so intermeshed. …. Solomon would have a hard job today I believe.
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April 2, 2009 8:32am
Murray

They can have a slice of cram it pie too Craig. If they hadn’t gotten the latest news update we had an election and New Zealand policy isn’t decided in Beijing this week.

Are these people here to be New Zelanders or to make New Zealand little China in the South Pacific? I’m for one and against the other. If they want to live in China then I’m happy to drive them to the airport.
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April 2, 2009 8:34am
aardvark

Government demands higher dividends from SOE power companies then, a few weeks later…

Brownlee says “We’ve got to find out is it a free-for-all or are there reasons for (SOE) prices being out of control?”

Join the dots Gerry!
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April 2, 2009 8:42am
Murray

Unless the dots are between meat pies it aint gonna happen.
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April 2, 2009 8:47am
MyNameIsJack

Murray just doesn’t get democracy and freedom.

It is their right, and they are free to, express their opinion re Dalai Lama or any other issue,

It is your right, and freedom to, disagree with them.

Of course, muzza would much prefer to live in a world where everyone does as muzza wants.

I oppose the Dalai Lama getting a state visit becaue it gives credence to just one more of man’s religious follies. However, if he wants to visit as a private citizen, then that’s OK.
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April 2, 2009 8:47am
Owen McShane

Won’t it be remarkable if Rodney Hide becomes responsible for establishing the first Fascist State in NZ?
The Royal Commission’s report is Fascism from A to Z.

One Uber City, One Uber Mayor, strength through unity, one voice, one rate, one plan. And the people cannot appeal anything in the plan. After all it must be perfect having been made by the Uber Mayor’s team.

We don’t the Jews as enemy anymore. The 21st century polluters of the pure are those who don’t turn their lights out for Earth hour and use plastic bags and drive cars – and cows.

One Uber City, One Uber Mayor, strength through unity, one voice, one rate, one plan. And the people cannot appeal anything in the plan. After all it must be perfect having been made by the Uber Mayor’s team.

The document never mentions the wants or desires of the people. IN fact the people’s attitudes are bad and must be changed – presumably by social engineering funded by the social department of the Uber city.

The people’s actions must serve the state and they are subservient to the needs of the city state.

And of course the Uber Mayor will get the trains to run on time.

Fascism is largely an aesthetic theory so the Commission recommends that every significant development in the region must be approved by an Urban Design Panel.

We are scared this depression will lead to trade protection – like the last one did.

We should be more afraid that it leads to fascism – like the last one did.
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April 2, 2009 8:48am
side show bob

Why does the G20 insist on having their junkets in the middle of large cities which must cost millions of millions and piss of the unfortunate cities population. If I was boss of the world I would fly these suckling pigs to a small inland in the middle of the ocean. No flash hotels, tents will do with just basic camp rations for tucker. Security would no longer be an issue and the press would be limited to a couple of hundred reporters. Whats the bet the dialogue would be far more productive as no one gets off with out a constructive plan being agreed to.
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April 2, 2009 8:48am
CraigM

“If they hadn’t gotten the latest news update we had an election and New Zealand policy isn’t decided in Beijing this week.”

I can’t see Key backing down to them and I hope I am right. Personally I don’t care about the DL coming here one way or another but I’m damned if i want the Chinese government demanding who can and who cannot visit NZ.

As for the members of the 28 local Chinese organisations – you are in NZ now. You left the repression behind. I assume you did so by your own choice. When you were living in China, did you attempt to dictate to the government who could and who could not visit China?

You now live in a country that allows you to make such requests, no matter how disgusting or offensive they are, without fear of prison or death. Don’t you see the irony in your behaviour?
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April 2, 2009 8:54am
Murray

Genocide Jack talks crap once again. Must be a day ending in a y.

Show me where i called for them to be silenced as they have sought to silence the Dali Lama. Show me or shut up. I support their rights to speak and they have expressed ideas that indicate they are not happy within new Zealand where we allow free speech and are seeking an environment that suporesses such freedoms.

I have generously offered an alternate that seems to suit their predispossion and to help them get their. Good lord only a screaming hate filled national socialist could construe that as supression of some kind. Fuck off back to your terrorist cuddling jackboot.

Shalom.
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April 2, 2009 8:54am
Komata

On a totally different subject . . .

Durban II (the thinly-disguised, UN-backed, anti Israeli, anti-zionist, anti-semitic and pro-islamic) ‘Summit on Racism’ due to start on April 20. (The ‘talk-fest’ with a pre-deteremined outcome that the US, EU Canada and other ‘enlightened’ nations are boycotting . . .)

Is New Zealand attending, and, if so, who are we sending as our representative?

The NZ MSM (who would normally be whooping-it up due to their biases) are deafiningly silent on the subject.

Can anyone here answer my question? Does anyone actually know?
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April 2, 2009 8:55am
senzafine

SSB: Maybe you might have just found a use for Sealand!
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April 2, 2009 8:59am
expat

Fucking hippies lucky they didnt get charged by the horses.
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April 2, 2009 9:07am
CraigM

“Durban II (the thinly-disguised, UN-backed, anti Israeli, anti-zionist, anti-semitic and pro-islamic)”

Oh, you mean it is the same as every other UN backed summit then.

I hadn’t heard of it. If the nations you listed are indeed boycotting it, nothing will come from it. The attendees will spend a day or so singing the praises of Mohamed and the moon god and agree with each other that the west is evil, all the while drinking booze & screweing hookers all paid for by the ‘donor’ countries and then they ‘ll go home.

As I said, typical UN function.
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April 2, 2009 9:10am
expat

Hippies lucky they didnt get tear gased and baton charged
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April 2, 2009 9:14am
goodgod

One Uber City, One Uber Mayor, strength through unity, one voice, one rate, one plan. And the people cannot appeal anything in the plan. After all it must be perfect having been made by the Uber Mayor’s team.

I think it depends entirely on the uber-major’s outlook. Does he want the people to be encouraged to be more prosperous, or does he want them to stagnate on fear of melting the world?

Within this uber-city concept, the professional wankers of the community board where I live will be given more power to redistribute wealth and influence to their cronies, who in turn will dictate a stagnant green ideology to the surrounding populace. I can hardly wait.

The “Fascism” of the city dwellers seems somewhat more appealing than the fascism of the Greens. It’s all very well to blindly cheer for democracy, fooling ourselves it is democracy when it is closer to an Oligarchy, and without considering who the power will be given to. Time and again the noisiest people of my home are elected on their noise and take no responsibility for their decisions and have no practical economic vision. The uber-team of the uber-mayor and his uber-city are at least commercially educated.
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April 2, 2009 9:16am
expat

Hippies lucky they didnt try and swarm the LIFFE floor as last time and get bashed
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April 2, 2009 9:17am
toad

Great post by Catherine Delahunty over at frogblog this morning on the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples – expect it will get some of the righties and racists twitching.
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April 2, 2009 9:18am
expat

Try getting people working rather than twitching about communist hippy rights.
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April 2, 2009 9:19am
dad4justice

Tood ; did she sing the post? Is link whoring allowed on this blog!
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April 2, 2009 9:20am
toad

Owen McShane said: The Royal Commission’s report is Fascism from A to Z. One Uber City, One Uber Mayor, strength through unity, one voice, one rate, one plan. And the people cannot appeal anything in the plan. After all it must be perfect having been made by the Uber Mayor’s team.

Hey Owen, finally something you and I agree on! Actually, if we keep away from climate issues, we probably agree on a lot.
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April 2, 2009 9:23am
expat

It was good to see the City of London police and associated riot police sorting out the losers.

From what I saw the protestors were lucky not to get the full treatment – congrats to the police for massive self control.
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April 2, 2009 9:24am
expat

I left XXXX just as the riot police were setting up a cordon and parking armoured cars to the entrance to XXXX square.

Well done the police.

The same hippies moaning about that woud have been the first to demand protection from terrorists.

Knobjockies.
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April 2, 2009 9:27am
toad

d4j said: Is link whoring allowed on this blog!

General Debate, d4j, General Debate – not as though I am threadjacking it. In General Debate we can post whatever comments we want (within the Kiwiblog rules re demerits, which you must be very familiar with by now).
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April 2, 2009 9:28am
expat

No one will read your link whoring though.

Especially since you are whoring Delahunty. Gag.
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April 2, 2009 9:30am
dad4justice

Taad; I wear my demerits with honour unlike the greens who have hidden agendas. I am very up front and in your face type of bloke. I get things done and I don’t sip utopian juice!
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April 2, 2009 9:31am
big bruv

Toad

“- expect it will get some of the righties and racists twitching.”

That is a fucking weak argument and one that I would normally associate with Greenfly.

Clearly the mad wimin is wrong and clearly you know her argument is weak as you have invoked the usual “get out clause” of the left when faced with an argument you cannot win which is to play the “racist” card.

So Toad how about you debate the issue here (where you cannot censor those who disagree with you) or retract what you have said?, I suspect you will do neither because you know full well that the point the mad wimin is trying to make is ridiculous.

If you guys are really serious about the plight of Maori then how about getting mad Cath to speak out against the shocking rate of child killing?, how about you speak out against the shocking crime rate among Maori?.
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April 2, 2009 9:38am
Inventory2

If anyone wants a good reason NOT to read Catherine Delahunty’s post, here it is

“Normally we would never advocate following Australia on issues of cultural justice, their record speaks for itself in all its genocidal brutality, but at least the Rudd Government has made a positive move. The UN Declaration has flaws and weaknesses but it does take a stand for indigenous collectivive self determination across the earth.”

“Genocidal brutality”?? FFS – pass me a bucket please!
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April 2, 2009 9:39am
dad4justice

The greens are clearly mentally unfit to remain in Parliament in any shape or form. Come on New Zealand these green nitwits are enjoying a lifesytle you fund. They are on the pigs back . They lack any credibility and common sense. They are a disgrace to every sensible thinking kiwi.
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April 2, 2009 9:42am
Komata

CraigM

Thanks – I agree totally, but thought I’d better ask anyway.

Toad

An interesting article, but a question:

Given that there are now NO pure-blood 100%-genuine, ‘uncontaminated’ alive Maori in New Zealand, and that there haven’t been for some years (check the censii if you don’t believe me), how can support for such a declaration be sustained or justified by ANY new Zealand government?

There are simply NO indigenous ‘native’ New Zealanders any more (and even the ancestors of those who claimed to be the ‘indigenous (the ‘Maori’) acknowledged that they were not actually the first anyway – though it’s now not PC to admit such things is it?).

So, on that basis, I am actually as much an ‘indegenous’ as anyone else who has been born here since the 1800’s, I can also claim to be a ‘Pacific Islander’ (think on it . . .), and I certainly DON’T need the protection of any organisation that is ultimately intent on my destruction under the guise of some liberal-one-world-speak feel-good declaration.

So, to repeat my question, how can support of ‘the Declaration’ be justified?

(and please, no political mumbo-jumbo – just an honest, truthful answer – I’m sure you can do it)
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April 2, 2009 9:45am
Neil

I’d like to change topic.
Yesterday I watched question time in parliament and want to say how things have changed for the better in the House.
Sure it had its soft moments, with Helen Clark responding to the notice of approval of her winning the UN job. What pleased me was to see Hulun speaking with appreciatiuon of the governments efforts. She looked not like toxic Hulun of a year ago, she actually looked really attractive with a magnificent smile.John Key spoke really well, while Goff was ok. Turia made a good speech considering how Clark had treated he when she was in the Labour Party.
After that the house was noisy but unlike last year there was good humour with plenty of smiles and robust but fair debating.
Lockwood Smith is making progress after the toxic speakership of Margaret Wilson last year.Lockwood has high good humour and expects people to react in a polite and civil manner. Above all, he does do something about protecting the minority something that Wilson never did.
A big thing is the qualities John Key brings to the job. Naturally a positive person, his good manners are infecting most members across the house. The loss of Hulun is a good thing. She was the leader of the dirt brigade. Politics is adversarial but play the ball not the man. Hulun Clark failed miserably there.
There will be times of real anger but I believe the tone is improving.
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April 2, 2009 9:53am
kiwipolemicist

David Garret refused to give Herr Helen a standing ovation in Parliament yesterday and in doing so identified himself as a hypocrite: both of them have a gross disregard for basic human rights/freedoms.

The only dangerous politicians are the ones that are breathing.

http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/04/02/david-garrett-gives-helen-clark-a-digital-salute/
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April 2, 2009 10:24am
s.russell

Alas, David Garrett does not seem to have caught this politeness disease.
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April 2, 2009 10:24am
dad4justice

Question to EVERY politician that stood up to applaud Helen Clark. How do you sleep at night?
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April 2, 2009 10:27am
toad

Komata said: Given that there are now NO pure-blood 100%-genuine, ‘uncontaminated’ alive Maori in New Zealand, and that there haven’t been for some years (check the censii if you don’t believe me), how can support for such a declaration be sustained or justified by ANY new Zealand government?

The short answer is that it is far more to do with cultural identity than genetics. Even someone who is 100% European genetically will identify as Maori if they were adopted into a Maori whanau as an infant and brought up with the tikanga.
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April 2, 2009 10:30am
Portia

On a different topic, was listening to Bill English on Nine to Noon this morning (the audio’s not posted yet).

I think that we’re all going to have to brace ourselves for the next two rounds of tax cuts to be, if not cancelled then, deferred indefinitely.

BE couldn’t of course, confirm this to be true (we’ll have to wait until the May budget), but given his answers to Kathryn Ryan’s questions about NZ’s debt levels, the state of the global economy, and the likely slow recovery, it became very obvious that the Govt currently has no money in the coffers to support further tax cuts and there is little chance that this situation will change over the next 7 weeks.
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April 2, 2009 10:37am
big bruv

Portia

If that is the case then English and Key had better be prepared for one hell of a shit fight, tax cuts were one of the main reasons people voted for them, the middle class has been raped by Labour for nine years and National promised some relief from those criminal levels of over taxation.

If the Nat’s are having problems balancing the books then they should and MUST look to other areas to save money, cut the fucking benefit, cut DPB, cut the public service by twenty percent but DO NOT go back on your promise of “on going tax cuts”.

I personally knocked on hundreds of doors in my local electorate in support of the National party candidate, I will knock on twice that many doors to see her lose the seat if Key backs down on his tax cut promise.
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April 2, 2009 10:45am
big bruv

I watched the G20 riots on breakfast news this morning, a bigger collection of low life left wing scum you could not hope to assemble.

Quite why the Police let these vermin damage private property with seemingly no arrests is confusing, tear gas, batons and water cannons should be deployed as soon as they get out of hand.
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April 2, 2009 10:52am
goodgod

…Prime Minister John Key was the first to speak in Parliament, saying Helen Clark should be proud of her achievement and New Zealanders should be proud of her.

“She will be working to help establish democracies, reduce poverty, improve health care, help in crisis prevention and recovery and assist with environmental issues.”…

Why is the UN hiring someone with no previous experience or success in these areas?

And will someone please remove the arm from John Key’s butt.
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April 2, 2009 10:56am
goodgod

…and ten points to Mr. Garrett for staying seated for NZders everywhere. Is he the only man left in parliament with a memory?
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April 2, 2009 10:58am
Murray

And toad demonstrates the bullshit of the ‘Maori indentiy”, you’re maori if you “feel” Maori.

To quote a relevant discussion: “Wheres the fetus going to gestate?”

I “feel” like a millionare, who will cash this $200.000:00 cheque? What they “feel” is like jumping on the gravy train to victimville for the free money buffet.
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April 2, 2009 11:31am
Komata

Toad

Thank you for your reply – and elucidation on ‘being Maori’, namely ‘The short answer is that it is far more to do with cultural identity than genetics. Even someone who is 100% European genetically will identify as Maori if they were adopted into a Maori whanau as an infant and brought up with the tikanga’.

On the basis of your reply, it would seem that the only thing which makes one a ‘real’ indigenous is ‘a feeling’ and exposure (length unspecified) to what is termed ‘Maori culture’

Therefore, since I have been taught (old-style – pre-PC) tikanga Maori and speak some phrases in the language, it would appear that I can now claim to be ‘indigenous’

The only problem is that I just happen to be that dreaded creature a ‘Fair-skinned, Anglo-saxon Protestant New Zealander, of the Male persuasion’.

Kind-of alters things somewhat doesn’t it?

And yet, if your criteria is to be believed, I am quite entitled to call my self ‘Maori’ aren’t I?

And if such is in fact NOT the case, then what is to be the basis?

Skin colour?

Not necessarily so!

I am personally acquainted with New Zealand-born people with Maori features and skin colouring who, by their own admission are NOT Maori and whose cultural upbringing and inclinations are very much towards New Zealand European (British) culture, so it would seem that this criteria doesn’t necessarily apply either.

So, to return to the question again: ‘how can support of ‘the Declaration’ be justified?’

I will be interested in your reply.
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April 2, 2009 12:20pm
MyNameIsJack

toad (860) Vote: 0 3 Says:

April 2nd, 2009 at 10:30 am
Komata said: Given that there are now NO pure-blood 100%-genuine, ‘uncontaminated’ alive Maori in New Zealand, and that there haven’t been for some years (check the censii if you don’t believe me), how can support for such a declaration be sustained or justified by ANY new Zealand government?

The short answer is that it is far more to do with cultural identity than genetics. Even someone who is 100% European genetically will identify as Maori if they were adopted into a Maori whanau as an infant and brought up with the tikanga.

Actually, they won’t.

Look at the report on aboriginal children settled with white families, did they grow up white?

Look at the experience in NZ with children adopted from eastern Europe. have they adaped and become kiwis?

In both cases, there are a lot of nos among the yesses.
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April 2, 2009 12:20pm
PaulD

Komata “(and even the ancestors of those who claimed to be the ‘indigenous (the ‘Maori’) acknowledged that they were not actually the first anyway – though it’s now not PC to admit such things is it?)” PC or not you’ve tried that line twice in recent posts. The old School Journal fairy stories have been disproved do you have anything else?
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April 2, 2009 12:23pm
Komata

PaulD

Interesting response, (glad to see you’re counting), but since you asked:

Several years ago, and in response to my asking specifically if there was any basis to the ‘stories’ I had been taught (and no, these weren’t what appeared in the ‘journal), about the existence of a civilization in New Zealand,’ Pre-Maori’, a very senior and respected Tuhoi elder (now deceased) told me that this WAS in fact the case and spoke of their existence as their demise had only happened yesterday.

In view of his position, seniority and Mana, I had (and have) no reason to doubt his word or authority, or to believe he was not telling the truth.

Fairy stories to be discounted?

I can’t say – you be the judge – I personally believed him and have no reason to alter that belief.

But thanks for raising the issue.
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April 2, 2009 12:45pm
PhilBest

Toad:

“……The short answer is that it is far more to do with cultural identity than genetics. Even someone who is 100% European genetically will identify as Maori if they were adopted into a Maori whanau as an infant and brought up with the tikanga…..”

Do you mean this as a good thing or a bad thing? If “good”, is it only good when Maori do it, or are other cultures just as entitled to bring up their children in a way that will ensure the survival of that culture, without explicit state sanctions to the contrary? I am thinking specifically of the Anglo Saxon Judeo-Christian culture.
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April 2, 2009 12:45pm
Pascal

Toad, why do you support racism?
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April 2, 2009 1:02pm
PhilBest

# toad (860) 0 10 Says:
April 2nd, 2009 at 9:18 am

“Great post by Catherine Delahunty over at frogblog this morning on the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples – expect it will get some of the righties and racists twitching.”

As one of the righties, I’d just like to ask how its going for the bleeding heart liberals sticking up for the rights of the indigenous Hmong in Vietnam and the Phnong in Cambodia and the Berbers in Algeria and the Armenians in Turkey and the Bakhtiari in Iran and the Nenets in Russia and the Nuba in Sudan and the Lucaya in Cuba and the Uyghurs in China…………

Let’s know how it’s going, thanks Toad.
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April 2, 2009 1:04pm
thedavincimode

goodgod says:

“Why is the UN hiring someone with no previous experience or success in these areas?”

GG, good point, but you have overlooked the critical strength in Klerk’s credentials which is 28 years of experience in patronising people with brown faces without actually ever doing anything for them. You see, the critical function in this role is to make SOOTHING noises, to PLACATE, and to lecture others from her position of MORAL SUPERIORITY. It has nothing to do with actually achieving anything. Naturally, the role will also enable Herr Klerk to promote her socialist agenda abroad.

And it was also great to see that after all the gestures of support and goodwill from the other side of the House and Key’s support in getting this role, Klerk could simply not conceal the small-minded and miserable lack of generosity that springs forth so effortlessly, when questioned on the TV Pinko News One about the reasons for losing the election. So predictable and a telling insight into what arguably could not even be described as a personality.
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April 2, 2009 1:25pm
big bruv

You have to love the rank hypocrisy of the Labour MP’s.

Under Lockwood Smith Ministers are having to answer questions, yet even this does not seem to satisfy Labour.

It seems that Labour just cannot deal with a speaker who is fair and even handed, they are struggling with the fact that they no longer have Maggot Wilson running interference for them or butchering the rules in favour of Labour.
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April 2, 2009 2:56pm
baxter

Just heard Act Member Dave GARRETT ask the Justice Minister if he had any plans to return to the previous practice of requiring an Accused to sign a bond and provide sureties before bail was granted. In my view it was when this practise was abolished that the rapid slide into criminal anarchy especially by those at large on bail began.

The integrity and commonsense of this new member continues to impress me.
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April 2, 2009 3:09pm
kiwipolemicist

goodgod says:

“Why is the UN hiring someone with no previous experience or success in these areas?”

She does have previous experience. Part of the UNDP’s job is dealing with HIV/AIDS, and Herr Helen has so many homosexual friends that’s she’s an expert on the subject 🙂

http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/02/08/nz-govt-supports-helen-clark-for-united-nations-role/

http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/03/28/helen-clark-gets-un-job/
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April 2, 2009 3:14pm
getstaffed

PhilBest – well asked of toad. As alluded, indigenous ‘rights’ are simply a stick used by socialists to whack capitalist societies. There’s no equitable compassion. Just integrity bereft, bare faced hypocrisy.
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April 2, 2009 3:23pm
village idiot

Komata ‘I am personally acquainted with New Zealand-born people with Maori features and skin colouring who, by their own admission are NOT Maori’
Komata – and are they or aren’t they? Do they get to decide yay or nay? Isn’t that what the Toad is saying?
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April 2, 2009 3:36pm
Portia

Hey BigBruv at 10:45am. Sorry, didn’t get back to you sooner.

I don’t disagree with you about the likely reaction, but I still reckon that National will be forced to cut the cuts.

I see that Colin Espiner blogged on this very issue yesterday.

He says, in relation to yesterday’s tax cut:

Whatever, enjoy it if you can because it’s looking increasingly likely to be the last one for a while. Finance Minister Bill English has been practically sending up flares, so obvious have his hints become that the second and third tranches of tax cuts are likely to be delayed.
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April 2, 2009 3:57pm
Chthoniid

@thedavincimode

And it was also great to see that after all the gestures of support and goodwill from the other side of the House and Key’s support in getting this role, Klerk could simply not conceal the small-minded and miserable lack of generosity that springs forth so effortlessly, when questioned on the TV Pinko News One about the reasons for losing the election. So predictable and a telling insight into what arguably could not even be described as a personality.

Missed the interview I’m afraid. What did she say?
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April 2, 2009 4:01pm
Ratbiter

I see Dave’s put up a quote from Cicero extolling what is now the standard centre-right political platform.

I’m sure ancient Roman politicians enjoyed watching slaves kill each other for the public’s entertainment too – would a good period review of the Roman games be similarly a good enough validation of the same activities in modern times?
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April 2, 2009 4:30pm
big bruv

And back to the G20 riots….

This little gem from he EPMU/labour party blog..

“The fact that city workers were standing waving banknotes at protesters is reminiscent of Met police officers who used to wave their paychecks at striking miners in Thatcher’s Britain”

How I would love to have seen that. 🙂
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April 2, 2009 7:48pm
Patrick Starr

Toad says; “The short answer is that it is far more to do with cultural identity than genetics. Even someone who is 100% European genetically will identify as Maori if they were adopted into a Maori whanau as an infant and brought up with the tikanga”

so the reverse must also be true. If you are to take maori away from the maori whanau as an infant then they must be less likely to grow up and make up one of the 47% of NZ’s violent offenders, or 85% of baby killers?
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April 2, 2009 8:06pm
village idiot

Oh you will get to see that Big Bruv, you will.
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April 2, 2009 9:07pm
Banana Llama

rofl waving bank notes at protestors, i wonder if they waved back while holding ropes 😉
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April 2, 2009 9:55pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Watching the G20 riots on the news it was interesting to note that some of the truncheons the police were using seemed to be rather small metal things. Whatever happened to the huge knife sticks? In Pakistan the police use batons so large they look like baseball bats.
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April 2, 2009 10:32pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Good on David Garret for not giving a standing ovation to Helen Clark. That’s the sort of treat she should have been receiving since 8 November 2008.
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April 2, 2009 10:38pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

I see that the police were using dogs to clear protesters at the G20 riots.

Good good.
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April 2, 2009 10:39pm

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