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Patrick Starr

cool email doing the rounds.

-Bill Gates is absolutely right
This should be posted in all schools and work places
Love him or hate him, he sure hits the nail on the head with this! Bill Gates recently gave a speech at a High School about 11 things they did not and will not learn in school. He talks about how feel-good, politically correct teachings created a generation of kids with no concept of reality and how this concept set them up for failure in the real world

Rule 1: Life is not fair – get used to it!

Rule 2 : The world won’t care about your self-esteem. The world will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.

Rule 3 : You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You won’t be a vice-president with a car phone until you earn both.

Rule 4 : If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss.

Rule 5 : Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your Grandparents had a different word for burger flipping: they called it opportunity…

Rule 6: If you mess up, it’s not your parents’ fault, so don’t whine about your mistakes, learn from them.

Rule 7: Before you were born, your parents weren’t as boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to you talk about how cool you thought you were So before you save the rain forest from the parasites of your parent’s generation, try delousing the closet in your own room.

Rule 8: Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life HAS NOT. In some schools, they have abolished failing grades and they’ll give you as MANY TIMES as you want to get the right answer. This doesn’t bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.

Rule 9: Life is not divided into semesters. You don’t get summers off and very few employers are interested in helping you FIND YOURSELF. Do that on your own time..

Rule 10: Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.

Rule 11: Be nice to nerds. Chances are you’ll end up working for one.
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April 28, 2009 8:08am
Ryan Sproull

http://www.snopes.com/language/document/liferule.asp
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April 28, 2009 8:13am
Grant Michael McKenna

Not Bill Gates. Check http://www.snopes.com/language/document/liferule.asp
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April 28, 2009 8:16am
Glutaemus Maximus

GM has announced a re-structuring plan. 20,000 jobs and Pontiac to go.

Saab is in Swedish administration

Vauxhall is being touted for sale, along with Opel.

Yet no mention here of Holden’s future.

IMHO I think that Holden are actually doomed. Old technology cars, and Korean make weights in the range.

Holden dealers will be very worried indeed. I also think that V8 racing is going to become a sport of the past.

It is incompatible with current views on car use. Europe has swung towards 2.0l turbo-diesel powerplants, with VAG Group having perhaps the best engine range available. 4.4l per 100ks makes a lot more sense than a Holden Commode
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April 28, 2009 8:26am
Patrick Starr

still very true – (I guess Gates is more recognisable than Charles Sykes )
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April 28, 2009 8:27am
Glutaemus Maximus

Could you make this up?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5232020/Woman-breaches-sex-Asbo-three-times-in-10-days.html
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April 28, 2009 8:33am
dad4justice

Is pork off the menu now with the swine flu and all that fear?
OINK – OINK !!
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April 28, 2009 8:35am
stephen

there you go d4j http://xkcd.com/574/
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April 28, 2009 9:00am
big bruv

Watch over the next few weeks as the imposter Neville Key starts to soften up the people of Auckland re the racist or apartheid seats on the new Auckland (super) City council.

Word has it that Neville Key has caved into the wishes of the racist Maori party and the apartheid seats will stay.
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April 28, 2009 9:20am
lofty

Who’s word bb??? or are you trying to emulate the master by Fomenting Happy Mischief.
Might have to change your name to grasshopper.
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April 28, 2009 9:35am
gd

has anyome wondered whether the flu is accidental or a result of our Muzzie mates letting lose a health bomb designed to take out the USA and the West

Wouldnt put in past them After all as we have found out smuggling a deadly disease on board a plane is easy than a bomb
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April 28, 2009 9:52am
gazzmaniac

IMHO I think that Holden are actually doomed. Old technology cars, and Korean make weights in the range.

Holden dealers will be very worried indeed. I also think that V8 racing is going to become a sport of the past.

It is incompatible with current views on car use. Europe has swung towards 2.0l turbo-diesel powerplants, with VAG Group having perhaps the best engine range available. 4.4l per 100ks makes a lot more sense than a Holden Commode

The popularity of the V8 series will ensure that it remains. At present the V8 series in Australia still attracts good crowds and Bathurst is still the biggest day in Australian motorsport. I don’t see that changing.
In the not too distant past (about 1989, someone could confirm that for me) the series was hijacked and made into a 2l touring car championship. Lo and behold, nobody watched it. The following year it was V8s again.

Aussies love their V8s for whatever reason. It is difficult to tow a load with a front wheel drive 2l but generally no problems with a big 6 or 8 cylinder. Aussies also like their caravans/trailers/boats/whatever so there will always be a market for a big comfortable car to take everything away (who wants to go on holiday in the ute?)

Commodore was also Australia’s highest sold vehicle in its class last year and the second highest selling car overall (second to the Corolla). I am also led to believe that the HSV component of Holden still has good sales. I read in the Aussie Top Gear mag that they are looking seriously about making a performance diesel, which really is the way of the future for now.
The market in general is down and that reflects the bottom line of most companies – Toyota (in Japan) made its first loss in over 70 years.
Time will tell, but I strongly suspect that the V8s will remain a big feature on Australian roads.
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April 28, 2009 9:56am
gd

GM Agree with you GMH and Ford are stuffed in OZ Even if Rudd tipped a big bucket load of money into GMH he cant save them. IMHO in 5 years there will be 6 or 7 motor vehicle manufacturers left 2 in Japan Toyota and Honda 2 in Europe VAG and the remnents of Renault/Nissan one in Korea as it is now with Hyundai Kia and 2 in China.

Many of the current brands will survive under new ownership. Petrol an diesel hybrids will be the propulsion of choice for the next decade until hydrogen fuel cells start to become viable.
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April 28, 2009 10:01am
Chthoniid

has anyome wondered whether the flu is accidental or a result of our Muzzie mates letting lose a health bomb designed to take out the USA and the West

Accidental. Influenza viruses mutate all the time. That’s why there’s a new vaccination every year. Occasionally influenza will throw up more lethal strains. Lethal strains though tend to burn out as the hosts don’t survive long enough. And Mexico City isn’t exactly the iconic Western target.

If there is a biological attack, it will probably be through some vector like anthrax. And terrorist attacks will be at more visible targets (London etc), probably by introducing biological agents into water supplies.
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April 28, 2009 10:04am
PhilBest

Oh, come on; I put this on the general debate thread yesterday, and look where the karma went. Please explain. Are we really that insular or ignorant that we don’t see that this guy is 100% right to point out that this is a problem?

PhilBest (4964) Vote: 1 3 Says:

April 27th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
DPF and others referred to Turkey on ANZAC Day.

Take a look at this in “The Australian” the other day

“Turkey’s Dark Intentions”

By Christopher Hitchens

“……At a NATO summit in Strasbourg, France, in the first week of April, it had been considered a formality that the alliance would vote to confirm Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the former prime minister of Denmark, as its new secretary-general. But very suddenly, the Turkish delegation threatened to veto the appointment. The grounds of Turkey’s opposition were highly significant.

Most important, they had to do with the publication of some cartoons in a Danish newspaper in 2005 lampooning the Prophet Mohammed. In spite of an organised campaign of violence and boycott against his country, and in spite of a demand by a delegation of ambassadors from supposedly “Islamic” states, Rasmussen consistently maintained that Danish law did not allow him to interfere with the Danish press.

Years later, resentment at this position led Turkey – which is under its own constitution not an “Islamic” country – to use the occasion of a NATO meeting to try again to interfere with the internal affairs of a member state.

The second ground of Turkey’s objection is also worth noting: a television station on Danish soil broadcasts, in the Kurdish language, to Kurds in Turkey and elsewhere. The government in Ankara, which evidently believes that all European governments are as untrammelled as itself, brusquely insists that Denmark do what Turkey would do and simply shut the transmitter down……..

“………..On the question of Turkey’s accession, I used to be able to make either case. Admitting the Turks could lead to the modernisation of the country, whereas exclusion could breed resentment and instability and even a renewal of pseudo-Ataturkist military rule. On the other hand, admission would put the frontiers of Europe up against Iran and Iraq and the volatile Caucasus, so that instead of being a “bridge” between East and West (to use the unvarying cliche), Turkey would become a tunnel.

The Strasbourg crisis clarifies the entire picture and should make us grateful to have been warned in such a timely fashion. Turkey wants all the privileges of NATO and EU membership but also wishes to continue occupying Cyprus, denying Kurdish rights and lying about the Armenian genocide.

On top of this, it now desires to act as a proxy for Islamisation and dares to waste the time of a defensive alliance in trying to censor the press of another member state……..”

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25371890-7583,00.html
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April 28, 2009 10:07am
Chuck Bird

Marriage: Still the Safest Place For Women and Children

There is an interesting article on Muriel’s Forum.

http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=633&sid=1ca314785cad7a96397fb78d8aebfd2b&p=21284#p21284

It is incredible that those supposedly so concerned about domestic violence do not promote marriage. It would be far more effective than bashing men.
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April 28, 2009 10:10am
bharmer

gazzmaniac (56) Vote: 1 0 Says:
April 28th, 2009 at 9:56 am

“The popularity of the V8 series will ensure that it remains. At present the V8 series in Australia still attracts good crowds and Bathurst is still the biggest day in Australian motorsport. I don’t see that changing.”

That might be true if every car in the car parks at Mt Panorama and elsewhere was a big holden or falcon. Unless all those petrol heads following the V8s on course or on TV can be converted to new car buyers, I don’t see the relevance of the sporting spectacle to the survival of Holden.
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April 28, 2009 10:14am
gazzmaniac

That might be true if every car in the car parks at Mt Panorama and elsewhere was a big holden or falcon. Unless all those petrol heads following the V8s on course or on TV can be converted to new car buyers, I don’t see the relevance of the sporting spectacle to the survival of Holden.

The series will live on. Just because nobody can buy an F1 car doesn’t mean that that series is a flop. It is the world’s most popular form of motorsport.

BTW there are other models apart from the Commodore and the Falcoln that one can buy from GMH and Ford – it’s just the bigger models are their show pieces.
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April 28, 2009 10:26am
big bruv

The popularity of the Aussie V8 series is irrelevant, car manufactures are only involved in motor sport for one reason and that is to sell motor cars.

Record numbers of fans and record TV audiences will not matter one little bit if GM and Ford do not see a return by way of sales.

While the enthusiasts will continue to race I can see a time in the very near future where the days of the factory backed teams comes to an end.
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April 28, 2009 10:39am
aardvark

Holdens are sold under the Pontiac brand in the USA and GM have announced that they’re dropping that line as part of their restructuring.

What does that mean for Holden in Oz?

Well it doesn’t bode well. I doubt Holden will disappear but you can bet there’ll be layoffs.

And back to the subject of swine flu…

If one of your friends gets the current strain of swine flu be sure and give them a big hug, a kiss or at least shake their hand then lick your fingers.

Why?

Well you’ll have to read my blog to find out — but the information there could save your life!
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April 28, 2009 10:46am
PhilBest

glutaemus, gazzmaniac, big bruv:

I have noticed a trend on Kiwiblog before, that to talk about new low- energy-use, low-emissions cars, and predict a shift away from V8’s, tends to attract negative karma. I do wonder whether politicians have failed to take advantage of a natural “we love our real car” constituency in pandering to all the eco-mania. It is funny that people do use cars so much, and go for nice, big, solid, comfortable ones, and yet this does not translate into votes for any politicians who will just give the finger to eco-weenie anti-freedom, high fuel tax politics.
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April 28, 2009 10:51am
gazzmaniac

The popularity of the Aussie V8 series is irrelevant, car manufactures are only involved in motor sport for one reason and that is to sell motor cars.

Not quite true. Enzo Ferrari and Greg Chapman (Lotus) both made cars to finance their racing.
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April 28, 2009 10:52am
gazzmaniac

It is funny that people do use cars so much, and go for nice, big, solid, comfortable ones, and yet this does not translate into votes for any politicians who will just give the finger to eco-weenie anti-freedom, high fuel tax politics.

It’s not funny that people use cars so much, it’s necessary, especially outside cities.
Also, the high fuel tax eco-weenie party is not part of the government in either New Zealand or in Australia and probably never will be.
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April 28, 2009 10:56am
racer

Chuck Bird:

Marriage: Still the Safest Place For Women and Children

It is incredible that those supposedly so concerned about domestic violence do not promote marriage. It would be far more effective than bashing men.

Your confusing causation and correlation.

bharmer:
“That might be true if every car in the car parks at Mt Panorama and elsewhere was a big holden or falcon. Unless all those petrol heads following the V8s on course or on TV can be converted to new car buyers, I don’t see the relevance of the sporting spectacle to the survival of Holden.”

It is an odd spectacle, a bit like when that lolly company over here announced they were to stop making snifters. It’s kind of like the cars (or in our case) the lollies, have crossed over from being a product to a cultural icon, and deemed more important or valuable (by some) than another car of similar specification. Your left with a whole lot of people not wanting to buy a Holden, but none the less, thinking that it is important they continue to be available. Its almost like Ford and GM’s “save us were American” carry on. A sight to behold, but none the less, I’m sure they can find a new title sponsor and wrap the cars in some different shells.
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April 28, 2009 11:01am
aardvark

I find the V8 supercar series to be far less interesting than the older version where there was a much wider range of vehicles and types.

Watching Godzilla best the V8s was great and the Cosworth Sierras also added a wonderful variance from the Ford/Holden/Ford/Holden procession we now get.

Bring back the other marques and make it *real* racing again!
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April 28, 2009 11:04am
PhilBest

gazzmaniac:

“It’s not funny that people use cars so much, it’s necessary, especially outside cities…..”

I didn’t mean it was funny that they use cars, I meant that it is funny that it doesn’t translate into a clear mandate for politicians.

“…..Also, the high fuel tax eco-weenie party is not part of the government in either New Zealand or in Australia and probably never will be.”

Look, even without the eco-weenie party being in government, we have got gouging taxes on fuel, deliberate underinvestment in roads to help persuade people not to use their cars, and massive wastage of tax and rates money on subsidising public transport that actually wastes resources and harms the environment more than if we’d just built the fricken roads in the first place. So not only is it “funny” that there is no political mandate to change all this, it is tragic. The problem is ignorance. Everybody thinks that it is OK to pay taxes for causes that will hopefully result in “other people getting off the road and out of my way”.
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April 28, 2009 12:43pm
PhilBest

By the way, gazzmaniac and others who are interested, I had a really thorough argument about public transport, subsidies, efficiency, effectiveness, etc, on THIS thread:

http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/03/16/opinion-think-more-than-twice-before-subsidising-electrification-of-rail/
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April 28, 2009 12:50pm
Chuck Bird

Chuck Bird:

Marriage: Still the Safest Place For Women and Children

It is incredible that those supposedly so concerned about domestic violence do not promote marriage. It would be far more effective than bashing men.

Your confusing causation and correlation.

Racer, please explain. In regards children particularly it would seem likely that natural fathers are very much less likely to harm their own children than the children of some other man. There may be a number of reasons for this. One obvious reason may be that the man is just a violent bully. Another reason may be that children strongly resent a new man in the home and do their best to undermine their mother’s relationship. This of course does not excuse such behaviour but explains a likely cause.

Spousal violence also would seem less likely for those who commit to a lifelong relationship than a couple who just decide to shack up.

There are of course many factors involved in domestic violence. Suppose hypothetically the State offered a monetary incentive for people to get married. In the case of a couple who were unemployed and had a criminal background marriage would unlikely make a difference. Things are not that simple.

With young people, marriage like having children does help many to mature. While I do not advocate a cash incentive for people to get married there is something wrong when unmarried couples on benefits to have a higher standard of living than a married couple with young children where the main breadwinner is on a low wage.

Marriage does benefit society. While not putting down solo mothers children from a married couple are much more likely to do well later in life. It is hard to prove a direct cause and effect. However, it stands to reason that a married man is likely to have the motivation to do better job wise. This sets a good example for the children. Children from a married couple are much more likely to have positive effect for the children.
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April 28, 2009 12:54pm
Ratbiter

aardvark – hear hear!

Unfortunately I think the Godzilla episode nearly killed their audiences… as Aussie munters sorry motorsport enthusiasts did not appreciate being shown that technology has marched on and big donk V8s are only really good on the straight bits.

It’s supposed to be a technology-led sport but, we don’t want any clever technology to disagree with the prejudices of the paying customers!
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April 28, 2009 12:56pm
Ratbiter

Chuck Bird – where does that leave me then? I am a step dad who is very much less likely to harm little 4yo than her natural father is!!

I do not understand why the kiwiblog right is normally so against social policies and/or “collectivism” in all things, at least until it comes to families & marriage; at which point, conversely, suddenly there IS one “right” way to do it and “we” should be “encouraging” it…?
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April 28, 2009 1:00pm
gd

the Mercer Survey has Auckland as the fourth equal best city in the world to live behind Geneva Vienna and Zurich and level with Vancouver. Sydney at 10 and Wellington at 12.

In line with previous results. So Aucklands not such a bad place. Seems so to me when I return from overseas trips

Lets hope the SuperCity doesnt stuff it up
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April 28, 2009 1:11pm
Chuck Bird

Ratbiter, I will respond more later but cooule please first say what your defination of step dad is. Ae you married to the mother of your stepdaughter?
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April 28, 2009 1:19pm
Ratbiter

Chuck – not married to its mother, but I am a live-in performer of all the other functions e.g. feed it, wash it, entertain it, put it to bed, teach it right & wrong, etc. Does this matter?
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April 28, 2009 1:22pm
MyNameIsJack

Yes folks, the jews are at it again. Always good for a laugh or a missile.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090427/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_odd_israel_kosher_flu
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April 28, 2009 1:36pm
redeye

As we’re posting emails; (Not sure of the validity of the claims but interesting perhaps?

This was an article from the St. Petersburg Times Newspaper. The Business Section asked readers for ideas on “How Would You Fix the Economy?” I thought this was the BEST idea. This guy nailed it!

Dear Mr. President,

Patriotic retirement:

There are about 40 million people over 50 in the work force. Pay them $2 million each severance with stipulations:

1) They leave their jobs. This creates 40 million job openings – Unemployment fixed.
2) They buy NEW American cars. Forty million cars ordered – Auto Industry fixed.
3) They either buy a house or pay off their mortgage – Housing Crisis fixed..

Total cost, less than half of what AIG already threw away.

[But the total cost would be $80 trillion]
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April 28, 2009 1:46pm
Chuck Bird

Does this matter?

The short answer is yes. That is based on statistics. The liberals and the MSM have changed the meaning of stepparent. When one hears a child has been murdered by his or her stepfather it could mean someone married to the child’s mother. It more than likely means someone shacked up with the mother possibly for a very short time.

I know of people who have lived de facto for years who have chosen not to get married for ideological reasons. They probably on average make very good parents.

The majority of people live in a de facto arrangement because it is easier than making a commitment. Legal and financial reasons could be another factor. However, after three years it makes no difference thanks to the previous Labour government.

As I said in my original post I am not putting down solo mothers. Neither am I putting down someone living with a mother in a de facto situation. Some stepfathers in the conventional sense as well as the more currant meaning do a very good job. Look at Paul Holmes. He has certainly done everything he could for his stepdaughter.

What my point is as the article points out is that marriage on average has a positive effect for women and children.
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April 28, 2009 1:56pm
The Skipper

Ratbiter,
Much as I support marriage, it is the public declaration of a hetrosexua couples love and committment to each other that is the crunch. There is little doubt that if the going gets a bit rough as it does in all relationships, that spiritual bond is what holds it all together. It also implies a wider family from both sides to support the relationship. Grands are wonderful baby sitters (And free) Children gan much from the grands. One thing children need is stability. Certainly not waking up and checking the bedroom to see who is there. Fathers are wonderful parents. Studies show that girls raised without a father tent to go off the rails during their teens more comonly (Or get caught more commonly) They are less ably to deny it!

When was the last time you praised your children. Have you said “You my son (Or Daughter) of who I approve and am justly proud.” Think about it. My son is sick of hearing it (As are my Grands) but I notice they always smile!
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April 28, 2009 1:56pm
Roflcopter

OK, so I totally laughed at this poke at Helen Clark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV6PKeLvMdM
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April 28, 2009 1:57pm
Auberon

My God Ruth Dyson is a bag. She gets up to respond to a Ministerial statement on swine flu and begins by saying “this is too important an issue for playing politics,” and immediately starts playing politics, saying people should remember it was Labour that stocked up on Tamiflu etc. What a sour old baggage!
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April 28, 2009 2:13pm
Auberon

Oh hell, next it’s Kevin Hague. That man could suck the oxygen out of a room. Kill me now!
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April 28, 2009 2:16pm
Chuck Bird

Oh hell, next it’s Kevin Hague. That man could suck the oxygen out of a room. Kill me now!

You mean the guy when he was Director of the New Zealand AIDS Foundation was opposed to contact tracing for those testing HIV+. He was also in favour of not screening migrants particularly from southern Africa for HIV. New Zealand now has a record number of HIV cases as a result AIDS Foundation polices which Labour went along with.
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April 28, 2009 3:09pm
racer

“Chuck Bird

Racer, please explain”

Your claiming claiming there is causation, that marriage makes people less likely to beat up their spouse and children. I think its more a correlation situation, that people who are more likely to get married are the same kind of people who are less likely to beat their children. State encouragement, subsidy or some kind of forcing of marriage could even make things worse by putting additional barriers in place for people looking to leave an abusive relationship.
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April 28, 2009 3:36pm
racer

“gazzmaniac
Not quite true. Enzo Ferrari and Greg Chapman (Lotus) both made cars to finance their racing.”

It’s pretty cool now that Ferrari has built up enough mystique around their brand that they are able to have customers directly fund some of the development of new technology, through the FXX and now the 599XX.
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April 28, 2009 3:38pm
Chuck Bird

I think its more a correlation situation, that people who are more likely to get married are the same kind of people who are less likely to beat their children.

Since you mention beating up children twice let us focus on that rather than spousal abuse. To me it self evident that on average and I repeat on average a man who marries a woman is less likely to beat his children than someone who lives de facto with a solo or divorced mum. As I pointed out in my earlier post children at times will deliberately set out to destroy their mother’s relationship. That in no way justifies beating them. However, it helps explain why children are beaten and even killed disproportionately in de facto relationships than when living with both natural parents living with each other.

In regard spousal abuse the correlation situation you pointed out could be a factor.

forcing of marriage could even make things worse by putting additional barriers in place for people looking to leave an abusive relationship.

While I think it wrong to pressure people to stay in a genuinely abusive relationship I think it has been made far too easy for people to end a marriage for not very good reasons. If this happens when the children are young the risk of child abuse from a new partner increases. I emphasise again I am referring to probability not every situation.
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April 28, 2009 4:19pm
gazzmaniac

PhilBest – I don’t disagree with you on public transport. It annoys me that fuel tax subsidises buses and trains when really they should be building roads (which they are actually doing in Queensland, unlike in New Zealand).
However I still think, even without subsidy, that people would take the train here in Brisbane if only because of the exhorbitant parking prices. The airport line here is privately run (by the Brisbane Airport Corporation for memory, and I am pretty sure it’s not subsidised by the government) and it costs $13 from the CBD to the airport. A taxi becomes economical when there are 3 travellers, and takes about the same amount of time. The biggest bonus for it is the line connects into the main commuter services in Brisbane, which perhaps gives it a de-facto subsidy.
As for Auckland the infrastructure is pretty poor so I don’t see it taking off – but with the right regulative framework for development and infrastructure people would be more inclined to build their own tracks or run their own bus companies.

And BTW, I would not rate Auckland anywhere near the top 10 cities to live in. Gold Coast and Brisbane are much nicer.
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April 28, 2009 4:58pm
racer

“Chuck Bird

To me it self evident that on average and I repeat on average a man who marries a woman is less likely to beat his children than someone who lives de facto with a solo or divorced mum.”

Yes, but someone who would be in a defacto relationship but got married cause the government was offering them 500 dollars or something to do so, is still going to behave like they would in a defacto relationship.
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April 28, 2009 5:12pm
thedavincimode

rabiter

This is very disturbing. I hope that under the previous regime you withdrew to a minimum radius of 50 metres until you had invited the coppers, the Childrens Commissioner, the Green gargoyle et al to turn out your pockets and look up your arse to ensure that you weren’t a kiddy fiddler.

You’ll be pleased to know that since 8 Nov 2008, a degree of sanity is at risk of prevailing and the previous standing presumption that it is not permissable for men to have unsupervised contact with children may eventually go away.

Now go run the bath.
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April 28, 2009 5:34pm
thedavincimode

Oh deary me. Shall we all chip in to buy Sue Moron(ey) some half way decent clothes? Not really appropriate to wear the nightie in parliament. And a plug to stick in her mouth to stop the drivel that rolls out.

Interesting that the former “labour-led” government is now being referred to as the former “labour” government by them -her and Carter at least. Does this mean they’re actually starting to accept some responsibility? Or are they just trying to divert attention from the fact that all the little playmates that they shat on have buggared off to play in someone else’s sandpit?

Always fun to see the Duckman quaking away in the background reinforcing the persona of the yobbo prat that he is.
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April 28, 2009 5:57pm
WebWrat

What fuckwits …. flying a 747, low level, around New York for aerial photos and not telling anyone what’s going on.
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April 28, 2009 6:30pm
joeAverage

mynameisJackoff whats the problem ,antisemite comment, muslims and jews dont like swine, talking of swine, looked in a mirrow recently,with your strange comments
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April 28, 2009 6:34pm
TimG_Oz

MNIJ – When did an Israeli government official become the voice of Jews?

Probably about the same time Jack became the voice for all idiots!
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April 28, 2009 9:53pm
rolla_fxgt

oh god I just had a horrible thought, we haven’t heard anything about Winston Peters in awhile, will he or someone from NZ First stand in Mt Albert?
Can you imagine the skiteing from him if he made it back?
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