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April 27, 2009 7:55am by David Farrar

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stephen

Real time (ish) visual of where and how electricity is being generated in NZ:

http://www.em6live.co.nz/PlanningRegion.aspx?planningregion=uni

Cheers south island
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April 27, 2009 8:56am
peterwn

See:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10568645

“Matt McCarten: Goff falls in challenge to show courage under bloggers’ fire”

Especially accusing the likes of Kiwiblog for pouring a can of high octane fuel over the smouldering Mt Albert byelection.
The saying needs updating – The blog is mightier than the sword.
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April 27, 2009 8:59am
Glutaemus Maximus

Going to go and get me a copy of ‘AirCon’ by Ian Wishart.

Bound to be well researched and entertaining.
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April 27, 2009 8:59am
stephen

The saying needs updating – The blog is mightier than the sword.

Only when dealing with muppets like the Labour party’s tacticians.
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April 27, 2009 9:07am
Redbaiter

Good riddance to Jim Salinger. Fuck off Jim. Scare mongering self serving Gore disciple and global warming propagandist. Should have been fired years ago.
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April 27, 2009 9:11am
Razork

dead right redbaiter.

Is this a sign that Niwa aren’t so sure about global warming now?
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April 27, 2009 9:45am
Razork

stephen (2539) Vote: 0 0 Says:

April 27th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Real time (ish) visual of where and how electricity is being generated in NZ:

http://www.em6live.co.nz/PlanningRegion.aspx?planningregion=uni

Cheers south island

THAT is bloody cool.
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April 27, 2009 9:48am
AG

reddy;

“Good riddance to Jim Salinger. Fuck off Jim. Scare mongering self serving Gore disciple and global warming propagandist. Should have been fired years ago.”

So not only is reddy in favour of the State profiting in real estate transactions at the expense of its citizens (see previous posts on Treaty settlements), but now he is in favour of State agencies firing their employees because they speak to the press without prior authorisation. Just how shallow are your principles, reddy? Freedom of speech evaporates when the speaker says something you don’t like? “I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for the right of your employer to punish you for it?”

So, just so we’re clear, if Simon Chapple had been fired after writing his “there is no Maori disadvantage” paper on the grounds that he spoke to the press, your response would have been … what?
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April 27, 2009 9:49am
Inventory2

Did anyone else enjoy Rosemary McLeod’s excellent column in yesterday’s SST about Eskimos and other food with “human” names – a very good piece of humour!

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/04/monday-quote-2742009.html
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April 27, 2009 9:52am
Murray

Matt McCarten certainly seems to think he knows what going on in our heads doesn’t he.

Hey Matt, not so much actually. Could be we know how the blogs work better than you.
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April 27, 2009 10:08am
aardvark

Did anyone else notice that Stuff was boldly claiming that “Swine flu is here” at 6:30am this morning?

Can you say “TABLOID SENSATIONALIST PRESS”???

It’s no wonder the mainstream media is going broke when they peddle bullshit stories like that.

The reality is that we still don’t know whether the students suffering flu-like symptoms have been infected with the virus that’s caused problems in Mexico and the continental USA.

This kind of crappy BS news reporting we simply don’t need.
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April 27, 2009 10:15am
Redbaiter

AG- Yawn. Go away. Every post of yours can be paraphased as-

“I’m outraged that Redbaiter said what he did and I disagree with it. I also seek by a starkly illogical misrepresentation of Redbaiter’s position, to twist his comment into some kind of reversal of his principles of small government and individual rights.”

Just go way. You have nothing that is in the smallest way any challenge. Tiresome small minded commie bore.
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April 27, 2009 10:17am
Inventory2

aardvark – did One News REALLY need THREE live reporters in different places last night to tell us essentially the same thing? Little wonder that the knives are being sharpened at TVNZ.
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April 27, 2009 10:20am
AG

reddy,

Is this really how the right respond to challenges of the coherence of their position on an issue? Through gratuitous abuse, inability to respond rationally, and attempted “social ostracism of dissenters” (i.e. “Just go away”)? Aren’t those the techniques of … Stalinism? (see Redbaiter at 9:19 am, http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/the_stalinist_wellington_city_council.html#comment-557144)

C’mon now, reddy. Really. With 5923 posts to your name, most of which seem to have been written before the brain had a chance to connect with your fingers, there’s bound to be a fair amount of contradiction in what you say. Better that you just accept this and take Walt Whitman’s stance. If you know what I’m referencing, excellent. If not, no problem. But you really should read more
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April 27, 2009 10:28am
Redbaiter

Yawn… zzzz.. see what I mean?? Same again please bartender.
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April 27, 2009 10:58am
bharmer

Inventory2 (2871) Vote: 0 1 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:20 am
“aardvark – did One News REALLY need THREE live reporters in different places last night to tell us essentially the same thing? Little wonder that the knives are being sharpened at TVNZ.”

It was worse than that. At one stage they excitedly crossed live to the fellow standing outside Rangitoto College to unveil the fact that they really had nothing new to add.
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April 27, 2009 11:00am
barry

Dunne calls for a republic vote……

Excellent idea!. As we all know its about number 732 on everyones prioritory list and consequently it will be defeated……..

which is the best thing that could happen to it.

I thought the least he could do would be to wait until 2013 (thats when Mr Clark’s term at the UN will be up)
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April 27, 2009 11:54am
AG

reddy;

“Same again please bartender.”

Ah – NOW we’re getting somewhere! One of the classic symptoms of alcoholism: “Increased irritability, agitation and anger, lowered threshold for violence … ” (http://www.helpguide.org/mental/alcohol_abuse_alcoholism_signs_effects_treatment.htm) You really shouldn’t drink and type, reddy.

Oh … and another one: “One of the most powerful effects of alcohol abuse and addiction is denial.”
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April 27, 2009 12:37pm
thedavincimode

AG, careful about the wide generalisation inferring that freedom of speech ALWAYS entitles employees to say whatever they like; irrespective of the implications for the employer or the contractual arrangements the parties may have entered into. It might be appropriate; it might not. If anyone is precluded from talking about something they feel strongly about, they can always buggar off. And if they feel at odds with a prospective employer’s position on something, they can always not sign the contract. Integrity is a two way street. Why should someone at the dog food factory be entitled to slag off the employer for killing horses if he/she/it has undertaken not to? Certainly, the boundaries can blurr – safety practices for example.

I don’t know what Salinger’s alleged indisretion was, but I do recall being at a presentation by him years ago in which he predicted drought, famine and plagues of locusts. I found this prediction curious because it was raining at the time and it was so heavy that visibility outside was down to about 40 metres. Wound up with about 5 inches in 24 hours and the wetest summer in yonks.
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April 27, 2009 12:44pm
Ratbiter

Redbaiter: “Good riddance to Jim Salinger. Fuck off Jim.”

Hear hear. We don’t need peer-reviewed, internationally-recognised scientists researching this global warming malarkey. Any decent Plumber can tell you there’s no such thing as climate change.

Hey, now that we’ve got the Godless socialists out of power, why don’t we overturn that dirty Galileo’s heretical filth about how the Earth merely orbits the Sun, and isn’t the centre of the universe at all?
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April 27, 2009 12:51pm
village idiot

“Same again please bartender.”
Soooo… the ‘red’ stands for the colour of his nose?
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April 27, 2009 1:01pm
Redbaiter

“We don’t need peer-reviewed, internationally-recognised scientists researching this global warming malarkey.”

That’s a laff. Read this politicised alarmist bullshit from Salinger-

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I agree with the latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 4th Assessment Report. This has concluded that warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global mean sea levels. Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations. Major changes I have noticed in my time in climate research have been the shrinkage of mountain glaciers in New Zealand and worldwide, the warming of temperatures and the decrease in frosts.

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But wait- there’s more- read this unadulterated crap-

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The projections of sea level rise indicate increases of half a metre by the end of the century. This could be more if the melting of Arctic Sea ice and Greenland is higher than anticipated. Coupled with this is the change in weather and climate patterns. Recent international climate reports highlighted that ongoing coastal development is likely to exacerbate the future risk to lives and property from sea level rise and storms.

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As I said, Salinger should have been fired years ago. He should be sued for the unnecessary costs his alarmist bullshit about sea level rises has caused in coastal planning. If you’re reading this Jimmy, (or if any of his brainwashed uninformed devotees are reading it) point to one increase in sea levels anywhere in the world.
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April 27, 2009 1:04pm
Manolo

I agree with RB. Not a loss but a gain to have dropped Salinger.

On a different note, check this UN’s announcement about Comrade Clark, who has started her campaign of unabashed deception: http://content.undp.org/go/newsroom/2009/april/helen-clark-begins-first-day-as-administrator-of-undp-.en (courtesy of Whale Oil)

Photoshopping rules!
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April 27, 2009 1:08pm
village idiot

By ‘unadulterated’, you mean…? what exactly, Rudolph?
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April 27, 2009 1:09pm
Redbaiter

“AG, careful about the wide generalisation inferring that freedom of speech ALWAYS entitles employees to say whatever they like;”

Be careful about it? Damn right. For fuck’s sake, the commie loon has just demonstrated he doesn’t have the faintest clue about the real meaning of freedom of speech. As I said, his interminable allegations of political inconsistency are always fraught by arrogance, amazing ignorance, and gob smacking irrationality. Not worth responding to really.
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April 27, 2009 1:10pm
PhilBest

DPF and others referred to Turkey on ANZAC Day.

Take a look at this in “The Australian” the other day

“Turkey’s Dark Intentions”

By Christopher Hitchens

“……At a NATO summit in Strasbourg, France, in the first week of April, it had been considered a formality that the alliance would vote to confirm Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the former prime minister of Denmark, as its new secretary-general. But very suddenly, the Turkish delegation threatened to veto the appointment. The grounds of Turkey’s opposition were highly significant.

Most important, they had to do with the publication of some cartoons in a Danish newspaper in 2005 lampooning the Prophet Mohammed. In spite of an organised campaign of violence and boycott against his country, and in spite of a demand by a delegation of ambassadors from supposedly “Islamic” states, Rasmussen consistently maintained that Danish law did not allow him to interfere with the Danish press.

Years later, resentment at this position led Turkey – which is under its own constitution not an “Islamic” country – to use the occasion of a NATO meeting to try again to interfere with the internal affairs of a member state.

The second ground of Turkey’s objection is also worth noting: a television station on Danish soil broadcasts, in the Kurdish language, to Kurds in Turkey and elsewhere. The government in Ankara, which evidently believes that all European governments are as untrammelled as itself, brusquely insists that Denmark do what Turkey would do and simply shut the transmitter down……..

“………..On the question of Turkey’s accession, I used to be able to make either case. Admitting the Turks could lead to the modernisation of the country, whereas exclusion could breed resentment and instability and even a renewal of pseudo-Ataturkist military rule. On the other hand, admission would put the frontiers of Europe up against Iran and Iraq and the volatile Caucasus, so that instead of being a “bridge” between East and West (to use the unvarying cliche), Turkey would become a tunnel.

The Strasbourg crisis clarifies the entire picture and should make us grateful to have been warned in such a timely fashion. Turkey wants all the privileges of NATO and EU membership but also wishes to continue occupying Cyprus, denying Kurdish rights and lying about the Armenian genocide.

On top of this, it now desires to act as a proxy for Islamisation and dares to waste the time of a defensive alliance in trying to censor the press of another member state……..”

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25371890-7583,00.html
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April 27, 2009 1:37pm
thedavincimode

‘biter

You’ve found a plumber???!!!!
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April 27, 2009 1:54pm
gladstone

Does anyone here know why Big Bruv keeps running from discussions he initiates over on Frogblog? Has he turned gutless? He’s becoming an embarassment to the Right.
They’re whupping his tail!
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April 27, 2009 1:58pm
Offshore_Kiwi

Redbaiter, I think Salinger exposed the entirety of his scientific *credentials* with the statement “I agree with the … Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change…” First, the IPCC is not a scientific body but (like all things UN) a political one. The Great Global Warming Scandal interviewed some of the scientists whose names were attached to the original IPCC report. They said they disagreed with the report and wanted their names removed, but the IPCC refused.

Also, increased temperatures might equal melting ice, but melting ice does NOT equal rising sea levels. It’s a simple experiment. Put an ice cube into a glass and fill it to with water (or vodka, if that’s your preference). As the ice melts, does the glass overflow? Didn’t think so. Global Warming is not, repeat not, science, it is politics. And very, very big business.

Great link, Manolo. Further evidence that the UN is full of lies and deception. But I have one question … who was that in the picture that accompanied the text?
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April 27, 2009 2:01pm
AG

reddy;
“As I said, his interminable allegations of political inconsistency are always fraught by arrogance, amazing ignorance, and gob smacking irrationality. Not worth responding to really.”

And yet, somehow, you just can’t help but do so. Yet more signs of addictive behaviour? In thrall to the bottle and posting intemperate bollocks both? Can’t wait for the day reddy first tries P .. THEN there’ll be fireworks!

Offshore_Kiwi;
“Also, increased temperatures might equal melting ice, but melting ice does NOT equal rising sea levels. It’s a simple experiment. Put an ice cube into a glass and fill it to with water (or vodka, if that’s your preference). As the ice melts, does the glass overflow? Didn’t think so.”

Alternatively, you might be an idiot. The concern about ice melt and rising sea level is caused by the rapidly increasing melt rates of the Greenland ice-dome (i.e. ice that is currently ON LAND, but quickly turning into water that then goes INTO THE SEA). So the more accurate analogy is to take a chunk of ice, put it on the draining board next to your sink (with the plug in), then watch what happens to the water level in your sink as that ice melts and runs into it. Capiche?

For some coverage of the scientific concerns (as opposed to ill-informed babbling) on sea level change, see http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/08/science/earth/08gree.html

As for “Global Warming is not, repeat not, science, it is politics. And very, very big business.”, nice try. Here’s what really happens when the science on global warming and business interests clash: http://documents.nytimes.com/global-climate-coalition-aiam-climate-change-primer#p=1
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April 27, 2009 2:29pm
AG

Oh … and reddy;

“As I said, Salinger should have been fired years ago. He should be sued for the unnecessary costs his alarmist bullshit about sea level rises has caused in coastal planning. If you’re reading this Jimmy, (or if any of his brainwashed uninformed devotees are reading it) point to one increase in sea levels anywhere in the world.”

How about Tuvalu:
http://www.bom.gov.au/ntc/IDO60033/IDO60033.2006.pdf

Or The Cook Islands:
http://www.bom.gov.au/ntc/IDO60021/IDO60021.2006.pdf

Or Fiji:
http://www.bom.gov.au/ntc/IDO60023/IDO60023.2006.pdf

Or, indeed, any of the 14 Pacific Island nations monitored by the South Pacific Sea Level and Climate Monitoring Project (see http://www.bom.gov.au/pacificsealevel/picreports.shtml).

Note, reddy – this is called EVIDENCE of what is happening in THE REAL WORLD, not your little fantasy game of “if I wish things to be true, magically they will become so.”
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April 27, 2009 2:44pm
Redbaiter

“How about Tuvalu:”

You’re a complete moron.

Actually, just posted an interesting link on that subject at the weekend-

“From the American Thinker. (A good example of why blogs are thriving and newspapers produced by government arse licking “journalists” are dying.)

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/04/sinking_islands_or_stinking_is.html

Comments are interesting too.”

“this is called EVIDENCE of what is happening in THE REAL WORLD,”

That’s your problem you see. It never is.
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April 27, 2009 2:51pm
Redbaiter

This one is worth a repost too.

Lying Democrats, lead by the cowardly charlatan Al Gore, are frightened to death of Lord Monckton’s views on the fraud of climate change.

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/429/Report-Democrats-Refuse-to-Allow-Skeptic-to-Testify-Alongside-Gore-At-Congressional-Hearing
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April 27, 2009 2:52pm
AG

Alternatively, reddy, posting to an obscure right wing blog isn’t a very good response to hard scientific evidence. And if this really is why “blogs are thriving”, it is a sad indictment of humanities ability to tell crap from quality argument.

For one thing, the blog post you refer to leaps from discussing Tuvalu to an article that discusses the Maldives – an island group some thousands of kilometers away – as if the two are the same (the blog actually says “oceans (sic) levels in that part of the world have been falling in recent years.”) In case you’re wondering, the two island groups aren’t even in the same ocean.

In fact, the only “evidence” your purported “proof” points to is an article in a UK paper (btw … isn’t this a “dying” industry produced by “government arse licking ‘journalists'”? So what is your blog doing relying on it as “evidence”? Or, is it OK to quote papers when they say what you like, but not otherwise?) That article then states:
“Last month a study by Nasa, the US space agency, found that sea levels were being pushed up by the addition of 50 billion tons of water a year from Greenland’s melting ice sheet. Professor Patrick Nunn, head of geography at the University of the South Pacific in Fiji and an expert on island formation, said last week that the figures from Tuvalu, Papua New Guinea and the Solomons were based on inadequate research.
He said: “It is a nonsense to try to make predictions about climate change from a data base of only seven years. You need data over a minimum period of at least 30 years. A lot of these sea gauges have been slowly falling over the last five years but that is a short-term trend. Island countries such as Kiribati and Tuvalu remain incredibly vulnerable to sea change. These low-lying islands are between 2,000 and 3,000 years old. They only formed because sea levels fell, allowing a build up of sand and gravel. Now it could go the other way.””

So let’s have a look at the latest data on the sea level rises:
“new data on sea level from oceano-grapher John Hunter, of the University of Tasmania, may prove crucial in settling the surrounding debates. Hunter told the Listener that his team have used the latest and thus longest data and combined it with satellite altimeter data in order to provide a “reconstruction” of spatial and temporal variation of sea-level rise over the period 1950 to 2001.
This shows that Tuvalu is experiencing a sea-level rise of around 2.3mm a year, plus or minus 1.6mm a year.
“The new estimate is now positive at a quite high level of significance,” says Hunter. “It is unlikely that rise or sinkage of the island is a major factor … It is clear that the ‘sea-level rise problems’ at Tuvalu may have a number of causes, of which one is the rise in mean sea level.
“The last few years have seen a steadily increasing confidence in our understanding of 20th-century sea-level rise.”
See: http://www.listener.co.nz/issue/3406/features/4536/sinking_feeling.html

Your move, reddy.
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April 27, 2009 3:07pm
Redbaiter

“This shows that Tuvalu is experiencing a sea-level rise of around 2.3mm a year, plus or minus 1.6mm a year.”

Hahaha.. fuck off. You’re just wasting my time with your religious bullshit.

As for Tuvalu, there’s a tonne of stuff out there challenging the rising sea levels, and if that’s all you can assert, a theory that sea levels at Tuvalu are possibly rising 0.7mm a year with the reason for this claimed increase unknown, then where’s the real concern??

Hahhaha. Thanks for the laff you mentally enfeebled socialist dick. All those words just to shoot yourself in both feet.
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April 27, 2009 3:33pm
Banana Llama

Planet Earth was almost struck by an asteroid a few months ago, it came within a hairs breadth and if it had struck it would release enough energy equivalent to a small nuclear explosion.
Then there is global warming, what requires more of our attention? a bunch of withering communists spouting shit like a fountain claiming Earth will see a rise in sea levels? or the oceans boiling while the atmosphere catches on fire because jack ass intellectuals where asleep at the wheel when we finally drew a bad hand.
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April 27, 2009 3:42pm
AG

Reddy,

Let’s take the first point … you asked for evidence that sea levels have risen anywhere. you’ve been given it. You lost that one.

Now, “a theory that sea levels at Tuvalu are possibly rising 0.7mm a year with the reason for this claimed increase unknown, then where’s the real concern??”

It’s clear you and scientific thinking are not friends (indeed, I can’t imagine there is much you could be friends with), as this is simply embarrassing. The actual data reveals “a sea-level rise of around 2.3mm a year, plus or minus 1.6mm a year.” Meaning that with 95% confidence, we can say that the sea level rise has been 0.7 mm – 3.9 mm per year … it’s as likely (“possible”) to have been at the higher end as at the lower. This cashes out over the last 30 years to a rise of 2.1cm – 11.7cm … and given most of Tuvalu is less than 1m above sea level, this is “a real concern” (for the Tuvaluans, at least … I’d image you don’t give a crap, ’cause you are an asshole … but anyway).

Also note this rise has occurred prior to the more recent rapid increase in global temperatures due to AGW … which the vast majority of those actually qualified to speak on this subject predict will speed up the increase in sea level rises. Predict. As a scientific hypothesis. Which then will be tested through empirical observation. ‘Cause this is what matters, not right-wing fairy land “it’ll all be OK ’cause I can’t conceive of it not being so thinking.

Now – I put it back on you. If there really is ” a tonne of stuff out there challenging the rising sea levels” around Tuvalu, post it. And I mean real science, not your sweaty-palmed mates of the “blogs will take over the world” school of thinking. Go on. Do it. Or else, you will have to STFU, because … well … you’ve nothing worth saying.

Oh … and BL … “Planet Earth was almost struck by an asteroid a few months ago, it came within a hairs breadth and if it had struck it would release enough energy equivalent to a small nuclear explosion.” So what? If an asteroid hits us, lots of us will die. If AGW continues, lots of us will die. Your point?
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April 27, 2009 5:06pm
thedavincimode

AG

I don’t know how much the tide is coming in, but is it at a rate that exceeds the rate that Tuvalu is physically sinking (which, I recall is at a substantially greater rate than Everest and even Mt Cook are growing)?
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April 27, 2009 5:14pm
Banana Llama

So what? If an asteroid hits us, lots of us will die. If AGW continues, lots of us will die.

Survival of the species compared to a reduced quality of life, so whats your point? Faith and belief?
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April 27, 2009 5:19pm
Redbaiter

“you asked for evidence that sea levels have risen anywhere. you’ve been given it. You lost that one.

AG, you dickwad, there is no real evidence that sea levels are rising or that they’re rising because of melting ice. There are many scientists challenging your mate’s findings. They are in dispute all over the globe. Do you deny this? (Go on, deny it. Make a complete fuckwit of yourself)

The land could be sinking in line with movements of the continental plate.

…and that’s not the only option. Minor seismic disturbances cause different land areas within the plate to rise and fall. The sea level itself is also not constant due to differences in ocean currents and temperatures. 0.7mm is nothing and proves nothing.

“I’d image you don’t give a crap, ’cause you are an asshole..”

The asshole is Tuvalu. The inhabitants just want to get the hell out of the godforsaken place and have dreamed up this rising sea levels scam as a means of doing it. You’re going along with it not because you care about the people of Tuvalu, but because you’re a control freak commie who will tell any lie if you perceive it as leading to an increase in the power that is your lifelong obsession.
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April 27, 2009 5:29pm
AG

“There are many scientists challenging your mate’s findings. They are in dispute all over the globe. Do you deny this? (Go on, deny it. Make a complete fuckwit of yourself)”

Yes. I deny it. Now post your evidence. ‘Cause all you have so far is a right wing blog from the USA. That is it. So you have credibility … why?

“The land could be sinking in line with movements of the continental plate.”

It could be. Evidence?

“0.7mm is nothing and proves nothing.”

Read the earlier post. This is ill-informed nonsense.

“The asshole is Tuvalu.”

And there we have it … the real reason behind all of this. Bloody developing nation with their inconvenient claims on our conscience. So much easier to live in happy, magic right-wing fairy land where bad things are wished away and any problems are the fault of someone else … and fuck anything that might prove otherwise. Back to the bottle, reddy. Drink yourself to happiness.
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April 27, 2009 6:37pm
Redbaiter

“Yes. I deny it. Now post your evidence.”

Easy-

Professor Patrick Nunn, who researches sea level rise at the University of the South Pacific in Fiji, admitted to the London Telegraph, “…A lot of these sea gauges have been slowly falling over the last five years…”

“The historical record shows no visual evidence of any acceleration in sea level trends,” Australia’s National Tidal Facility (NTF) said in a statement about Tuvalu this week .(2002)
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April 27, 2009 6:48pm
Ryan Sproull

http://www.abc.net.au/ra/programguide/stories/200812/s2436994.htm

You do have sea-level rise threatening many coastal areas of the Pacific Islands. There really needs to be a re-think of Pacific Islands’ dependence on low-lying coastal areas for food production. So, people should be moving food gardens, you know, en masse, into higher ground, and developing food gardens and the infrastructure necessary for surplus production in those areas, rather than continuing to occupy these low-land areas.

– Professor Patrick Nunn, 2008
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April 27, 2009 6:58pm
Ryan Sproull

Rising sea levels aren’t so much of a problem.

Professor Travis Pain notes that if things get really bad, we can all get on a boat. It’s a big blue watery road.

Poseidon, look at me.

I’m on a boat, motherfucker.
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April 27, 2009 7:04pm
sonic

“The land could be sinking in line with movements of the continental plate. ”

lol!
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April 27, 2009 7:05pm
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“Also, increased temperatures might equal melting ice, but melting ice does NOT equal rising sea levels. It’s a simple experiment. Put an ice cube into a glass and fill it to with water (or vodka, if that’s your preference). As the ice melts, does the glass overflow? Didn’t think so. Global Warming is not, repeat not, science, it is politics. And very, very big business.”

lol. you complete knob!

And the ice above sea level, you think that just evaporates? you fuckwit!
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April 27, 2009 7:31pm
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“Professor Patrick Nunn, 2008”

Just goes to show you don’t it Ryan? You think he may have suddenly imagined life without the GW gravy train?
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April 27, 2009 7:49pm
Ryan Sproull

Just goes to show you don’t it Ryan? You think he may have suddenly imagined life without the GW gravy train?

Could be. That’s no less plausible than he suddenly got a conscience and rejected the pay-outs from carbon-producing industries. There’s some precedent.
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