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Redbaiter

Whale Oil has an important post up exposing the widespread media fraud that accompanied the watermelon’s pathetic charade that was “Earth Hour.

Using the investigative techniques that the slobbering leftist media were once renown for, Whale has reproduced the power use charts from last Saturday, and compared them to the Saturday before.

There was no decrease in power use during Earth Hour.

There was in fact an increase.

Earth Hour was an abject failure.

Earth Hour was not at all endorsed by the man in the street.

Meanwhile, the slobbering politically partisan mainstream media wrote what the watermelon’s told them to.

Lies.

Whale’s charts prove so well that the mainstream media is in the grip of the left, and whereas it was once an institution that shone light on lies and deceit, today, in the thrall of global socilaism, it thrives on producing those very commodities itself.

The mainstream media is now one of the most perverse, dangerous, dishonest and politically corrupt organisations abroad today.
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March 31, 2009 9:52am
Redbaiter

Link to Whale’s post-

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/?q=content/earth-hour-bollocks#disqus_thread
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March 31, 2009 9:53am
Murray

We used to mock people who were conned by priests into thinking the world would end in 1000 unless they were given losts of money. The perception (incorrect in actuality) that people in the middle ages thought the world was flat was also a source of assuming we were smarter.

Based on current evidence I can only conclude that any “advances” are purely cosmetic technological ones and people are just getting more stupid by the day.

Que hysterical nappy soiling green party trolls to demonstrate my premise.
(Its great having an on call case study)
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March 31, 2009 9:58am
goodgod

Goff lies again:

“They (directorships) should have been resigned immediately. He would have been briefed as soon as he became minister,” Mr Goff told Radio New Zealand.

“I think that if you breach the cabinet manual in terms of conflict of interest, you’re gone.

“That was certainly the way (former prime minister) Helen Clark ran (things) and I would, too.”

When an MP became a minister, they were given a checksheet to make sure they had no potential conflicts of interest.

Dr Worth and Mr Groser’s involvement in the company was inappropriate, he said.

“… and perception, as the cabinet manual says, is as important as reality…

I’ve got two words for Goff: Winston Peters

But apart from Goff’s lies and bluster, Worth is making a habit of conflicts of interest – it’s his second high profile mistake and he probably should go. It’s not like his last “mix-up” with a company that was taking laundered money from a world terrorist group is a trivial matter.
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March 31, 2009 10:02am
Redbaiter

Rising sea levels is another lie the mainstream media have been more than willing to promote.

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“But if there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change.

Despite fluctuations down as well as up, “the sea is not rising,” he says. “It hasn’t risen in 50 years.” If there is any rise this century it will “not be more than 10cm (four inches), with an uncertainty of plus or minus 10cm”.

And quite apart from examining the hard evidence, he says, the elementary laws of physics (latent heat needed to melt ice) tell us that the apocalypse conjured up by Al Gore and Co could not possibly come about”

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Hat tip to Whale Oil, Crusader Rabbit, No Minister, Fairfacts Media, and so many other blogs. Hardly a word on Mr. Morner in the lying and corrupt mainstream media of course.
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March 31, 2009 10:05am
jacob van hartog

Goodgod, dont worry your media mates have pushed this Indiagate scandal off the front pages
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March 31, 2009 10:06am
NOt1tocommentoften

Redbaiter – you fail to recognise that a decrease in power consumption over earth hour was not the sole, even the primary focus of the event. It was to raise environmental awareness, and encourage people to use less energy when it is not necessary.

Now before you claim I am a ranting greeny – I am not. I was berated by a number of my friends for questioning earth hour. My biggest complaint was that people would simply follow the masses and not actually turn their mind to what is going on. Whether or not you believe in the man made effects of climate change, it is uncontroversial to say that as humans, we’ve done some fairly bad things to the earth. Earth hour was about raising awareness of this – even if it made one person think about turning the light off, or recycling, or dear I say it, walking to work instead of using their car, then what is the problem with that? Does it really hurt anyone to do so?
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March 31, 2009 10:12am
Redbaiter

“Goodgod, dont worry your media mates have pushed this Indiagate scandal off the front pages”

Once again, the extreme left are miffed because in their rank blindness they perceive the mainstream media as not left enough.

The mainstream editors are smarter than you Jackoff. They know that old saying softly softly catchee monkee.

Too much leftism at once would only increase the criticism. Attract too much attention to their deceit.

Bit by bit is how its done. Look up Fabianism.
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March 31, 2009 10:12am
Murray

Congratulations NOt1tocommentoften, more people are now aware that earth hour is a load of feel good wank.
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March 31, 2009 10:15am
goodgod

No Jacob I think it more likely has been dropped because it requires a degree of explanation that can’t be summed up in two soundbite sentences – so it won’t sell papers. In the first instance Ian Wishart’s investigation appeared to let him off the hook, perhaps it was just a co-incidence, but now this has come to light. Warning bells seem to be flashing in Key’s mind. Worth is starting to look not so much the victim of bad luck. A successful Director as him knows better.
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March 31, 2009 10:17am
Redbaiter

NOt1tocommentoften-

You fail to recognise the main point. I don’t give a damn for the lies of the Watermelon’s. The more important issue is the corruption of the mainstream media.

Whereas once journalism was an honourable craft that shone light on lies and deceit, today its practitioners are enthusiastic participants in fraud and misrepresentation.

The biggest threat to freedom and civilization today is the political corruption of the mainstream media, and if you value liberty and democracy, your most important task is to publicize the truth and help bring down this disgusting and cowardly and deceitful edifice.
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March 31, 2009 10:18am
Right of way is Way of Right

Very refreshing approach to the Richard Worth scandal.

Not only do we appear to have a government that is committed to an honest and ethical style, it appears to be taking great pains to ensure that this remains the case.

Phil Goff would do well to remember Maryanne Street and Winston Peters.
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March 31, 2009 10:22am
Murray

Once upon a time journalists went ashore with the grunts and filed their reports by bird mail.

Now they report to camera wearing flack jackets from the nearest hotel in the next country.
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March 31, 2009 10:24am
Redbaiter

“Now they report to camera wearing flack jackets from the nearest hotel in the next country.”

..or as CNN did, do deals with corrupt totalitarian dictators like Saddam Hussein, wherein they’re happy to conceal truth and report lies and propaganda.
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March 31, 2009 10:32am
greenfly

Right of way says Very refreshing approach to the Richard Worth scandal.

Worth’s actions are scandalous. Key is doing what, exactly in response? Being ‘dissapointed’? This is ‘honest and ethical’?

Eric Roy went along for the ride. Was he asleep throughout? Is Key ‘dissapointed’ in him also?
Is being ‘dissapointed’ taking great pains do you think?
Worth ought to be dis- appointed.
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March 31, 2009 10:38am
campit

The Herald reports

Auckland business leaders are pushing the Government to save more than $1 billion by controversially building the Waterview motorway link across country, rather than through tunnels.

A report sent to Transport Minister Steven Joyce by the Auckland Business Forum is set to unleash furious debate at a time when political parties are preparing to contest a byelection in the local Mt Albert electorate soon to be vacated by former Prime Minister Helen Clark.

The Auckland Business Forum claims a return of $3 for every $1 invested if a non-tunnel option was chosen. That figure sounds too good to be true. Meanwhile Duncan MacDonald of the Avondale Community Board says

“If the Government is of a mind to do it cheaper, then it won’t get done,” he told the Herald. “I’ll have every person living in Waterview and Mt Albert out there stopping it.”

I think National have their work cut out if they believe they can win Mt Albert at the same time as bowling 400 houses and alienating every community group in the process.
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March 31, 2009 10:38am
greenfly

DeadSlater – Earth hour wasn’t ‘an abject failure’ (as you gormlessly state) in my part of the world. We took special measures to counter the block-headed efforts (as advertised here in Kiwiblog) to crank up the power usage, by powering down considerably more than we might otherwise have done. We were blacked out for the cause. Thanks DeadSlater, for the added motivation. We saluted you (though you couldn’t see us, it was that dark !
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March 31, 2009 10:45am
Manolo

Wonderful reading: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200904/hitchens-marx
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March 31, 2009 10:46am
Jack5

New topic if I may…

From September next year it will be a legal requirement for bakers to add low levels of folic acid to all bread, except organic bread. The move was championed by Labour Health Minister Annette King and was aimed at providing folic acid to pregnant women or soon to be pregnant women withthe object of reducing incidence of neural-tube defects in babies. These cause things like spina bifida. King described the move as s “a triumph for humanity and common sense” (NZ Herald 22nd June 2007).

In the last week an American experiment indicates that folic acid supplements double the incidence of prostate cancer in men. Earlier problems indicated that it contributed to the polyps which are the precursor to bowel cancer. Ireland has already delayed a move to require folic acid to its bread.

National’s Dr Paul Hutchison and the Greens’ Sue Kedgeley deserve pats on the back for urging caution on mandatory addition of folic acid to bread, and Annette King should admit she was too hasty. In the meantime a paltry sum under $10,000 is being given to Dunedin academics to review the position. Surely something as important as this requires a thorough check.

Pregnant women or those trying to become pregnant can easily take supplements temporarily to help prevent neural tube defects. This wouldn’t risk killing more NZ men from prostate cancer and more men and women with bowel cancer.

http://include.nurse.com/article/20090329/ALL01/104200003/-1/frontpage
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March 31, 2009 10:47am
Murray

A socialist takes “special measures” oooo reducation camp time for us then.

You keep on calling failure success and we’ll keep wining the elections, win win!
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March 31, 2009 10:50am
racer

” Redbaiter
“Now they report to camera wearing flack jackets from the nearest hotel in the next country.”

..or as CNN did, do deals with corrupt totalitarian dictators like Saddam Hussein, wherein they’re happy to conceal truth and report lies and propaganda.”

Kind of like how those imbedded reporters are constantly spreading propaganda eh?

Anyway, how dare you try and tell the media what they should report you cowardly authoritarian creep!
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March 31, 2009 10:50am
Wycroft

Where’s Trevor Mallard? Well, I know where he is – I just saw him downstairs in Parliament – but why isn’t he participating here anymore? I was so enjoying it. What I also enjoyed the other day was hearing about the past relationship between Trevor and now Labour Rimutuka MP Chris Hipkins. It seems Mr Hipkins was once Trevor’s senior private secretary, a job which I’m told entailed a fascinating first task on a Monday morning, that being tying Trevor five ties, because apparently Labour’s tough guy can’t. When I saw him downstairs a few moments ago he was in an open necked shirt, which perhaps suggests his current secretary is late to work today. I’m sure he’ll have a tie on by Question Time. I should have checked to see if he was wearing loafers. Perhaps he can’t tie shoe laces either. Care to elucidate Trevor?
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March 31, 2009 10:56am
Murray

“you cowardly authoritarian creep!” This from a GREEN??? WTF
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March 31, 2009 11:02am
wreck1080

Govt broadband plans quite disappointing.

It appears, the government is just giving away money to existing providers to provide high speed broadband.

On the face of it, this is quite disappointing.

There will be much fragmentation between regions. Network providers will have monopoly access over their regions.

I was hoping to see a non profit government owned network operator, whose responsibility would be to grant equal access to the ISP’s.
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March 31, 2009 11:08am
Owen McShane

Lomberg is good on Earth Hour.

Link to article: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25247677-7583,00.html

An extract:
And it gets worse: the event could cause higher overall pollution than if we just left our lights on. When asked to extinguish electricity, people turn to candlelight. Candles seem natural, but are almost 100 times less efficient than incandescent light globes, and more than 300 times less efficient than fluorescent lights. If you use one candle for each extinguished globe, you’re essentially not cutting CO2 at all, and with two candles you’ll emit more CO2. Moreover, candles produce indoor air pollution 10 to 100 times the level of pollution caused by all cars, industry and electricity production.
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March 31, 2009 11:09am
racer

Murray
This from a GREEN

More of an off and on supporter of the greens, don’t agree with all of their economic policy but do agree with most of their social policy.
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March 31, 2009 11:16am
racer

And Owen McShane, the right seems to be so caught up in anti green hysteria that they have entirely missed the point of earth hour.
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March 31, 2009 11:17am
Murray

Then cowardly, authoritarian and creepy applies since this defines their social policy.
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March 31, 2009 11:21am
getstaffed

We saluted you (though you couldn’t see us, it was that dark)

A top effort. Stay there.
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March 31, 2009 11:21am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

So all the important leaders of the world are preparing to gather in London for the G20. Kevin Rudd will be there.

What’s John Key doing at the moment?
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March 31, 2009 11:29am
racer

Murray

Then cowardly, authoritarian and creepy applies since this defines their social policy.

Cant say I agree with you there sorry.
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March 31, 2009 11:51am
Earsling

OECD: You allude to the fact that John Key is not attending the G20 conference in London. Well why would he seeing that the sole agenda this year revolves around how much money that idiot Gordon Brown can print along with with his fellow proliferate Obama the financially illiterate reading yet another blurb from his left wing thesis on how to permanently fuck the USA. Of course it could be an act of kindness on the part of Mr Key should he have attended ,as the Wall Street Journal pointed out a couple of weeks back,John Key appears to be one of the few Western leaders who knows what he’s doing.As for Racer,Greenfly and Van Hartog, I would not be at all surprised if these worthies were not political fifth columnists in that their collective and very frequent comments do more to harm the Greens than the Green Party’s most rabid detractors.
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March 31, 2009 11:53am
slijmbal

“the right seems to be so caught up in anti green hysteria that they have entirely missed the point of earth hour.”

makes the point perfectly – earth hour is all about style and show and not substance and perfectly matches green initiatives that are not based on good science and logic just a fear of that devil technology flashing stuff.
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March 31, 2009 12:00pm
racer

“makes the point perfectly – earth hour is all about style and show and not substance and perfectly matches green initiatives that are not based on good science and logic just a fear of that devil technology flashing stuff.”

Style and show not substance, just like the current National government too!

and speaking of scientific luddites, where do most of kiwiblog stand on global warming?!
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March 31, 2009 12:05pm
getstaffed

it’s cold today
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March 31, 2009 12:10pm
dad4justice

Yes it’s cold today and I am thankful cousin Bruce – who is a lumberjack dropped off a few ton of logs yesterday.
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March 31, 2009 12:14pm
CraigM

Can I once again comment on another case where a criminal on bail killed an innocent citizen.
It shows just how use to this we have become, when it doesn’t even get a mention on Kiwiblog anymore.

This piece of human scum was on bail for serious assault charges (for which he was jailed after committing murder but before the murder trial) and also had a string of previous convictions. The jury at the murder trial weren’t allowed to know his criminal history but thankfully got it right anyway.

A young man is dead and a family destroyed. A scum sucking villian gets a 10 year non parole period and his other sentences are served concurrently.

What do we have to do to put an end to this?

No-one seems to care. My heart goes out to the Borrell family. That you had to endure this BS for 18 months before justice was delivered is even more gut wrenching.
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March 31, 2009 12:16pm
philu

(seeing as we are reduced to discussing the weather..)

here is sunny sub-tropical auckland..as usual..

..we bask under palm trees and sunny skies..

auckland..’where it’s never winter’..

(have you noticed how all those vile lows you suffer..’weaken’..by the time they get to us..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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March 31, 2009 12:28pm
racer

My thoughts on that is perhaps we need to get over the stuffy formality of court rooms. Plenty of office space for hire, employ more judges, speed the justice system up.
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March 31, 2009 12:29pm
Inventory2

Agree wholeheartedly Craig – 10 years minimum parole for this guy was an outrage in itself., but the fact that he

a) Had extensive previous form, and
b) offended whilst on bail

were aggravating factors. Surely the sentencing Judge should have taken these into account in passing sentence. Likewise, my thoughts and prayers are with the Borrell whanau today.
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March 31, 2009 12:30pm
philu

but i suppose that is fair exchange for how auckland supports the rest of the country..eh..?

it’s good you take that weather on the chin for us..

..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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March 31, 2009 12:30pm
Redbaiter

“No-one seems to care.”

People do care.

There is a serious disconnect between government and the man in the street.

On this issue more than most.

You want to make a difference, get after the lying (pseudo) liberals that predominate in government and the media.
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March 31, 2009 12:30pm
RightNow

Earsling, the thing about racer and jacob van hartog (and Greenfly I suppose, but at least at times he can be quite funny) is that this is it for them, trolling on kiwiblog. Their most gleeful moments are when someone takes notice of something they say. It’s a lefty thing, having low ambition. You can spot them on pedestrian crossings, they’re the ones that will hasten their pace to get on to the crossing so you have to stop quickly for them, and then they slow down so you have to wait ages for them to cross. Why? Because that’s the only time they get to have a little bit of power over someone else, and they like to make the most of it. Same as their antagonistic postings here, they’re desperate for someone to notice them, and the best way to be noticed is to do something annoying.
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March 31, 2009 12:42pm
greenfly

dad4justice said: cousin Bruce – who is a lumberjack

duck, barrel.

RightNow – you’re being annoying, I notice.
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March 31, 2009 12:55pm
Redbaiter

“Their most gleeful moments are when someone takes notice of something they say.”

Damn right. Ignore them. Brain damaged losers every one of them.

Their objective is not to discuss but to sabotage.

By flooding Kiwiblog with braindead left wing crap, their intention is to make it unreadable, and drive real users away.

Why Mr. Farrar apparently can’t see that this is their plan I’m buggered if I know.
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March 31, 2009 12:56pm
CraigM

I know people care RB, I just despair at the lack of action from those who have the power to act.

Seriously, I don’t even think ACT’s three strike bill goes far enough. This guy would still have been on the street.

I wish I knew a few judges. I’d love to know how they truly feel when they see things like this happen knowing they alone could have stopped it.

Do they feel guilt or do they just shrug it off?

An innocent citizen is dead because a judge let this animal stay out of prison. FFS he was even before the courts twice for breach of parole. Why isn’t the judge concerned reprimanded or suspended…or better still sacked due to absolute lack of well,….. judgement!

The loss of their son must be more terrible for the Borrells than I can imagine. That it happened because “the system” is pathetic must rub salt in the wounds. That no one is accountable for this animal being on the street is ……shit, words are useless to describe it.
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March 31, 2009 1:00pm
greenfly

DeadSlater – our evil plans exposed to the deadly light of day! Undone by a veritable mastermind! Curses! That leaves me only one option…
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March 31, 2009 1:00pm
greenfly

I’m going to have to turn a light off! I’m doing it now, DeadSlater, my hand is on the switch, nothing can stop me now, (maniacal laughter, slight choke, then renewed laughter with flecks of foam at corner of mouth).
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March 31, 2009 1:03pm
Banana Llama

Explain how turning off the lights would save the planet when 70% of New Zealands electricity comes from renewable sources already, someone, anyone? oh i guess we could label it as a cool thing like earth hour that way we can ignore the fact we are doing more than our fair share in reducing the consumption of non renewable energy sources.
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March 31, 2009 5:46pm
baxter

Craig………I agree with your sentiments and the Judge who released the scum on bail against Police advice should take some responsibility for the boy’s death. Both the killer and the judge will just shrug it off..Ten years is a laugh, so was twelve years for the cold blooded murder of the girl AIM…I thought the starting point for cold blooded murder was supposed to be 17 years without parole….Pathetic and digusting.
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March 31, 2009 6:01pm
AG

CraigM

> “I wish I knew a few judges. I’d love to know how they truly feel when they see things like this happen knowing they alone could have stopped it.
> Do they feel guilt or do they just shrug it off?”

I do know a few judges. They do what every human does when tasked with having to act but faced with the impossibility of predicting the future. They try to do the best job they can, and when terrible things happen despite those best efforts, they experience some regret but know there was nothing more they could do. Much like a doctor does whenever, despite their best attempts to save a patient, the patient dies.

Here’s the facts. Bail is a human right, because people charged with an offence are not actually guilty of anything (yet). So if you want to lock up every person who is accused of an offence and who might (MIGHT) then harm someone while on bail, then you are going to (1) need a shit load more prisons (which will cost you lots more money … goodbye tax cuts) and (2) be prepared to face putting a lot of not guilty people into jail for extended periods of time (thereby costing them their jobs, putting them onto a benefit, and costing you a lot more money … even more tax to pay).

Easy to take simple positions. Easy to criticise the people who actually have to make tough decisions day in day out. Easy to type on a keyboard.
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March 31, 2009 6:30pm
greenfly

banana llama said: Explain how turning off the lights would save the planet

It won’t, you loon 🙂 That’s not what the action was about. Commenters here have failed to ‘get it’, hence the bone-headed ‘turn up all the lights’ cry. Funny, if it wasn’t so daft.
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March 31, 2009 6:38pm
Chthoniid

Earsling, the thing about racer and jacob van hartog (and Greenfly I suppose, but at least at times he can be quite funny) is that this is it for them, trolling on kiwiblog

Quite right, while I feel Greenfly is often Over The Top, he also regularly picks up positive karma for humour and the occasional good point. Van Harthog and Racer are alas, just dire, humourless cretins. They are now in the Philu category of simply ignore.
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March 31, 2009 6:52pm
Banana Llama

I understand it from the solidarity point of view, i just don’t get how it will achieve anything substantial, in my opinion the shit about to hit the fan come G20 shortly will do more good than a bunch of feel good sound bites, truly it is going to be the showdown of the century.
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March 31, 2009 6:55pm
side show bob

Owen McShane

Caught you on the Country Channel the other night. Well said, it’s a pity the interview was not played on some of the state channels as they just love AGW and putting the boot into “deniers” such as yourself . Sadly no amount of common sense will sway these clowns. Of course your message is heresy and could be never aired in case the peasants awake from their zombie slumber. Keep up the the good work.
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March 31, 2009 7:29pm
AG

ssb:

“Sadly no amount of common sense will sway these clowns.”

Probably not. But if you’ve some science (as in, peer reviewed, published results of observed data) then that would help. Otherwise it is all just anecdote and supposition.
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March 31, 2009 7:38pm
greenfly

In truth Banana, I agree with you. I do think though, that there is real value in individuals making conscious effort. In this instance, there was probably as much to be gained from turning lights on, as the ‘detractors’ did, as there is in turning lights off. The difference here is intent.
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March 31, 2009 7:53pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Who’s looking forward to those tax cuts?
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March 31, 2009 10:55pm
oxymoron

Did anyone notice that the MPs were being mature and well behaved question time today in general? There was a bit of rowdiness later on, but did other people think that it was great to able to listen to both questions and answers without continuous barracking and calling out?
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March 31, 2009 10:58pm
Patrick Starr

Always good to see the EPMU/Labour Party blog site The Standard supporting local industry after the fuss they raised about Swazi
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Moved the server to an off-shore site. There are many reasons for this. But the basic one is that I can get equivalent or better service offshore for about a tenth of the local price”
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March 31, 2009 11:21pm
Glutaemus Maximus

Were the tax cuts put into April 1 deliberately?
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