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March 30, 2009 7:12am by David Farrar

General Debate 30 March 2009

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big bruv

Greenfly

I just want you chaps in the Green party to have the best possible chance of being part of the next government, accordingly I think you should promote Sue Bradford to the co-leaders position, campaign on the anti smacking laws and also campaign on changing the name of New Zealand to something Maori.

Go on, be honest with us for a change.
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March 30, 2009 3:45pm
MyNameIsJack

bigbruv and getstuffed, funny but I don’t seem to recall a leftist government attempting to force me in to the army. Saying they know better than me about where I should work is a biggie, I would have thought. In similar vein, it is not leftie govts that want to run “work for the dole” schemes either. That is another preserve of the right, the theft a Man’s labour without proper recompense is the most heinous crime any government can commit.

[DPF: No one has to do work for the dole. You just don’t get the dole (funded from the theft of my labour) if you don’t]
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March 30, 2009 3:45pm
MyNameIsJack

dad4justice (5091) 1 1 Says:

March 30th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
I don’t know about that GM, but I bet one book called “Absolute Power” is not gathering dust on her bookshelves.

I doubt she could be bothered with Wishart, I can’t be, except to see how stupid he becomes as he ages.

Seen his lates”? God now causes plane crashes to punish abortionists. And just like the god of old, this bastard doesn’t just punish the guilty, oh no, he also goes for their children.

http://tbr.cc/
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March 30, 2009 3:48pm
andrei

What sort of CD’s and DVD’s do we think Helen Clark has in her collection?

I have no idea but I do know what her favorite movie is.

Or at least was in when she was asked in 2007

Totally unsurprising really
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March 30, 2009 3:49pm
getstaffed

MNIJ – do people talk to you at parties… or do you find they drift away quite quickly? you seem to be full of venom all the time. can’t be healthy.
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March 30, 2009 3:50pm
MyNameIsJack

getstaffed, I am the life of the party! But good attempt at avoiding the point.
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March 30, 2009 3:58pm
Redbaiter

The Motorcycle Diaries? Awhitewash of the psychopathic murderer Che Guevera. Yes, how unsurprising-

Some quotes from the cowardly swine. Remind you of anybody?

“my friends are friends as long as they think like me, politically.”

and further..

“To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary…These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate. We must create the pedagogy of the The Wall!

“Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any enemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood. With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being for the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a bestial howl!”

“Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become … ”

and when finally captured-

“I am much more valuable to you alive than dead,”
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March 30, 2009 3:59pm
big bruv

Jack

“That is another preserve of the right, the theft a Man’s labour without proper recompense is the most heinous crime any government can commit.”

I totally agree with you about it being a heinous crime, while I do not think it is the “most heinous” it is right up there.

So how about we do not reward “a man” if he does not work or labour for his money?.

And please, tell me what right wing government has attempted to force you into the army? or forced you to move for work.

While you are at it, can you tell me what is honourable about stealing money from a mans hard won pay packet to give out to those who do not want to work.
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March 30, 2009 4:01pm
big bruv

I note that Chester Burrows is right behind the name change for Wanganui, no doubt this is another sop to the racist apartheid party and another part of the coalition agreement.

Key is making a big mistake here, he would do well to remember the bounce that Don Brash got in popular support when he told the truth about Maori.
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March 30, 2009 4:07pm
big bruv

Jack???
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March 30, 2009 4:07pm
philu

i think he/she/redbaiter is a formerly high ranking national party functionary..

..with now far too much time on his/her hands..

..and dpf knows who it is..

..hence the latitude shown..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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March 30, 2009 4:09pm
CraigM

“And just like the god of old, this bastard doesn’t just punish the guilty, oh no, he also goes for their children.”

You should fall to your knees and thank G_d that you live in a country that allows you to express the free will he gave you.

I agree with getstaffed, you really do seem like a person that is filled with hate for your fellow man. It is sad.
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March 30, 2009 4:19pm
Ryan Sproull

So how about we do not reward “a man” if he does not work or labour for his money?.

Sounds good, Big Bruv. But will the trust-fund kids starve to death?
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March 30, 2009 4:21pm
Redbaiter

If there is any latitude show here it is towards the left, and made even more remarkable that in almost every instance of a leftist posting here, their contributions are so infantile, unsophisticated, dogmatic, uninformed and just plain dumb, they’re a serious turn off to anyone who wants to read anything challenging and/or informative.

If I was Mr. Farrar, I would seriously consider limiting the prolific output of children like Ratbitter, MYnameisJerkoff, Greenblowfly, Philuseless, AGatha and others of their boring but vocal ilk on the grounds that they’re combined output of Marxist drivel, smears, false allegations, re-writes of history, moral relativity and general all round commie bullshit make this site almost unreadable.
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March 30, 2009 4:26pm
MyNameIsJack

CraigM (413) Vote: 0 0 Says:

March 30th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
“And just like the god of old, this bastard doesn’t just punish the guilty, oh no, he also goes for their children.”

You should fall to your knees and thank G_d that you live in a country that allows you to express the free will he gave you.

I agree with getstaffed, you really do seem like a person that is filled with hate for your fellow man. It is sad.

It is because i love my fellow man that i hate what the god botherers try to do to us. You can spend all the time you want on your knees craig, just don’t expect the rest of us to follow your bloodthirsty myths.
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March 30, 2009 4:27pm
MyNameIsJack

You should fall to your knees and thank G_d that you live in a country that allows you to express the free will he gave you.

Has a lot more to do with the secular founders and secular people of today that with any god botherer myths. Religion steals Man’s life and withers his soul.
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March 30, 2009 4:28pm
dad4justice

“Religion steals Man’s life and withers his soul.”

fugley says that too. What a sad full of hate person you are.
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March 30, 2009 4:32pm
big bruv

Jack?
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March 30, 2009 4:34pm
CraigM

Far too easy really. Just wind it up and watch it go.

On another topic: Obama is off to G20.

“With an entourage of 500 staff, an armour-plated limousine and a fleet of decoy helicopters, America’s new president will arrive for his first visit to Britain amid huge razzmatazz on Tuesday for the G20 summit….”

Now, add the other 19 leaders and lets start counting carbon footprints shall we.

Man, I’m glad some people turned turned their lights off for an hour on Saturday. 🙂
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March 30, 2009 4:35pm
MyNameIsJack

Funny how all you god botheres scream “HATE” when someone dares criticise your myths, points to the clay feet of your god(s) and challenges your beliefs.

It is not hate to point out the stupidity of religion and its followers.

But dad, feel free to keep worshipping a child murderer if that’s what spins your wheels. Just don’t expect me to follow you.
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March 30, 2009 4:36pm
dad4justice

fugley is evidence that Satan is in control on earth.
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March 30, 2009 4:38pm
CraigM

“Sounds good, Big Bruv. But will the trust-fund kids starve to death?”

No, they have trust funds. Duh.
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March 30, 2009 4:39pm
Ryan Sproull

No, they have trust funds. Duh.

Craig,

We’re talking about a hypothetical world where people don’t get money without doing any work.
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March 30, 2009 4:44pm
MyNameIsJack

dad4justice (5093) Vote: 0 0 Says:

March 30th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
fugley is evidence that Satan is in control on earth.

hang on, its almost Easter again – isn’t the easter Bunny in charge now?

I bet you’d love my latest Tshirt design – mohammed on a cross!
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March 30, 2009 4:44pm
CraigM

Ok, I’ll play for a bit.

“Funny how all you god botheres scream “HATE” when someone dares criticise your myths,..”

Not all of us scream hate. Loose generalisation that is at the heart of most of your posts.

“…points to the clay feet of your god(s) and challenges your beliefs.”

You couldn’t challenge my beliefs if you tried. I find your rantings incredibly sad.

“It is not hate to point out the stupidity of religion and its followers.”

Correct, it is not. The hate comes through in the way you do it & the things you say.

I’d like to think that I can tell you I disagree with you, without getting nasty, calling you names and critising your beliefs. Yes Jack, even your non-belief is a belief of sorts. You spew forth venom and hatred for no purpose other than to ridicule and abuse.

Surely you can see the difference.
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March 30, 2009 4:47pm
CraigM

“Craig,

We’re talking about a hypothetical world where people don’t get money without doing any work.”

I know, it just seemed too easy to take it in that context. Sorry.
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March 30, 2009 4:49pm
baxter

BRUV:::::::::::::Perhaps Maori could use the new spelling in their language while it remains the same for the rest of us…A bit harder will be the new name for the Auckland super city. I heard today it was to be named Tamaki Makaroa or similar.

Car Crushing……….Apparently it is only to be a final option at a Judges Discretion…..The boy racer will be an old age pensioner before all the judicial process, various inquiries and reports and appeals are completed even if you could find a Judge with the balls to order it.
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March 30, 2009 4:52pm
big bruv

Ryan

Who said anything about a hypothetical world?

This is the real world, those need money and do not work for it should go without.

If Jack wants me to give money to low life so they can get pissed and kill their kids then the bastards should be made to work for it or receive nothing.
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March 30, 2009 4:53pm
MyNameIsJack

Sorry Craig, forgot my manners.

Its OK to terrify children with tales of hellfire and damnation, but its not OK to call the people who tell those tales monsters.

Its OK to make laws based on the writings a desert cult from 2000 years ago, but it is not OK to criticise those who would make those laws.

Its OK to claim (as Ian Wishart does) that god punishes children for the sins of their fathers, but it is not OK to point out the bloodthirsty nature of a god that would do that?

It is OK to kill in god’s name while all the time preaching god is love.

Yeah, I forgot my manners – religion is too fragile to be criticised.
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March 30, 2009 4:54pm
big bruv

“religion is too fragile to be criticised.”

So its seems is the social welfare system.

Come on Jack, I asked you some fairly reasonable questions, how about an answer?
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March 30, 2009 4:56pm
CraigM

“Sorry Craig, forgot my manners.”

That’s ok. I forgive you.
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March 30, 2009 5:00pm
philu

obama has given the head of g.m. the arse..

effective immediately..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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March 30, 2009 5:12pm
getstaffed

So, a job opening for you phil?
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March 30, 2009 5:18pm
greenfly

baxter said: The boy racer will be an old age pensioner… and I laughed and laughed and thought of you, Inv2. Go, due process!
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March 30, 2009 5:38pm
Tauhei Notts

David at 9.00 a.m.
That question has intrigued me.
Especially as the lawfully wedded hubby is back in New Zealand.
I have seen New Zealand born Saudi Arabia nurses caught like this for N.Z. tax on their foreign income. That was because they had not done everything to lose their NZ tax residency status. Things like having a New Zealand credit card and retaining long term membership of the Tennis Club were sufficient to provide that nexus to make their world wide income taxable in NZ. Of course, they get a credit for tax paid overseas, but when the tax rate is only 3%, that is stuff all.
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March 30, 2009 6:27pm
Whafe

This country is f&^&^$(&^$ked……… Yep and you can say leave, as am sure many leftie clown pants will…..

So much happens that leaves me miffed and in disbelief…..
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March 30, 2009 6:44pm
big bruv

“obama has given the head of g.m. the arse..

effective immediately..

phil(whoar.co.nz)”

Thus proving that B Hussein Messiah Obama is indeed a dictator.
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March 30, 2009 7:01pm
Redbaiter

“Thus proving that B Hussein Messiah Obama is indeed a dictator.”

More than that, he’s a thug and a dictator with his use of standover tactics to force companies to comply with his edicts.

Such as Cuomo’s threat to publicly name the AIG executives (he’d received a confidential list) who received bonuses unless they returned them, and this threat was made after public threats to kill had been issued.

This is just straight out Bolshevik thuggery.

For government officials to behave in such a gangsterish manner and receive no censure from America’s media is unbelievable really.
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March 30, 2009 7:36pm
Komata

And this is the point that is being missed – like it or not El Presidente’ is only Dear Leader in another variation – a fact that is never ever mentioned (or even questioned. . .)

And what is really. really sad, is that the locals think he is the sun, moon and stars all in one package (the Messiah to some)!

They will, I guess, eventually learn the sad and grim realities of the man and his policies (just as all us Kiwi’s did as a result of DL’s dictatorship).

Just hope that it doesn’t take 9 years

Sic transit gloria America perhaps?
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March 30, 2009 9:08pm
Glutaemus Maximus

Showers and Power Showers are now firmly on the Agenda for the UK.

THis all looks very orchestrated and deeply disturbing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1165772/Water-police-ban-power-showers–summer-bills-soar-purge-waste.html
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March 30, 2009 10:38pm
Komata

GM

Yes, it is very orchestrated and very deliberate – especially when you consider that the UN Charter has references to a ‘One World order’ and DL and her mates (sic) are hell-bent on creating it, although observation indicates that they are merely the (very willing and well rewarded) puppets for what is coming into play.

The interesting thing is that I don’t think that the arrival of the order will be spectacular – it will be delibrately arranged to ‘sneak-up’- on us and will be complete before the majority are aware it has arrived.

It will of course be very skillfully presented as being advantageous for (almost) everybody, and while the majority will welcome it, some (especially Christians and Jews) will be aware of its implications and make appropriate responses.

Interesting to watch isn’t it?
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March 31, 2009 7:13am
racer

“Redbaiter
For government officials to behave in such a gangsterish manner and receive no censure from America’s media is unbelievable really.”

Censure, from the media? what the fuck do you think your talking about? The medias job is to report the news, not go around making moral judgements on people. “We report, you decide” or what ever that fox slogan (just don’t lie like they do!) is, you thick fuck.
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