General Debate 23 March 2009

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OECD rank 22 kiwi

The Conservatives in the UK have caught the John Key disease:
Tax rise hurts business – Johnson

i.e. making silly concessions on the eve of election victory. The 45p tax rate will raise hardly any additional tax revenue. It’s all style over substance. Power at any cost indeed.
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March 23, 2009 8:44am
toad

Three strikes and you’re Garrotted.
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March 23, 2009 8:47am
greenfly

Nikki Kaye took a ribbing on Kiwiblog yesterday, for her photo op with the cute kiwi. Hope the big boys aren’t mean to her at playtime today 🙂

[DPF: I doubt Nikki is too upset with people saying she looks younger than her actual age of 29.]
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March 23, 2009 9:04am
sbk

China wants the developed nations “importing Chinese Goods” to pay for the Greenhouse Gas emissions that result from the production of those goods..Huh!

“Made in China ,with permission and funding from the taxpayers of the developed world.”
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March 23, 2009 9:06am
Tauhei Notts

Peter Dunne’s comment about a flat tax rate is the most sensible thought to come from his mouth.
I remember the former M.P. for Otara used to speak in a similar manner.
The New Zealand Party was talking flat tax rates in 1984. It has taken a quarter of a century for the fact to sink in.
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March 23, 2009 10:23am
big bruv

I see that the Pope has finished his four day tour of Africa, this is the same Africa that is awash with poverty, hunger and AIDS.

But don’t worry, the Pope has a plan to combat the spread of all three of these “diseases”, his plan is simple and one that only a complete and utter idiot would think has a chance of succeeding

Abstinence!

I am constantly amazed at the stupidity of the Catholic church, they are quite happy to hide the numerous paedophilic priests from the law but see nothing wrong with letting their followers (as brain dead as most of them are) die in their millions from a disease that could drastically reduced by letting their followers use Condoms.
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March 23, 2009 10:25am
Brian Smaller

Nikki Kaye took a ribbing on Kiwiblog yesterday, for her photo op with the cute kiwi. Hope the big boys aren’t mean to her at playtime today

Be honest Greenfly – it was mostly you trying to get some mileage out of it. And it didn’t work.
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March 23, 2009 10:42am
virtualmark

Anyone know what’s happened to Poneke’s blog? I just get a login to WordPress whenever I head over there. Perhaps Poneke’s given blogging away?

I’d hate to think he might have fallen under a trolley bus (that’s the problem with those quiet buses, they creep up on you without you knowing it).
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March 23, 2009 10:51am
racer

“(that’s the problem with those quiet buses, they creep up on you without you knowing it).”

Probably the most humiliating experience of my life, bending over squinting at a bus time table, then standing up realizing that wooshing sound is the bus I’m meant to be on coasting past… bastards
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March 23, 2009 11:15am
adamsmith1922

I didn’t see the trolley bus a creeping up on me
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March 23, 2009 11:22am
Razork

National bank putting up mid-long term intereast rates tomorrow.
3 yrs from 5.99 to 6.15%

I guess they must have missed Bollard lowering the cash rate?
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March 23, 2009 11:33am
big bruv

It could be that Razork, or perhaps they have been taking notice of the Mickey moused eared idiot who calls himself the POTUS and his new game of………… “print as much money as we need”.

That has to flow on to us eventually.
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March 23, 2009 11:40am
georgebolwing

The Supreme Court will today hear another round of litigation resutling from the RSA murders, when it considers an appeal by the Corrections Department against a decision of the court to allow Ms Couch, the sole survivor, to sue it.

The interesting bit is that Ms Couch’s counsel, according to the Supreme Court list (available here: http://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/business/calendar/daily-lists/23-March-2009.pdf) is one BP Henry, blood-brother to a former Member of Parliament and, as I recall, trustee of the Susan Couch and Crime Victims Charitable Trust. This Trust was to receive a donation from NZ First of monies paid to it by Parliamentary Services.

One wonder if said trust will be contributing to Ms Couch’s lawyer’s fees?
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March 23, 2009 11:47am
side show bob

Tauhei Notts I think a flat tax rate would be the way to go but it will never happen. All governments use taxation as a way to control people. The government will tell you that it is fairer to tax the rich more as they can afford it, this of course is total bullshit. A low flat tax rate would jump start the country and we would see real grow. Given time the amount of tax revenue would surpass what is collected now. A low flat tax would upset a few accountants and lawyers as much of their business has more to do with tax avoidance and tax rules. But the overall loser would be big government as the more wealth held in private hands the greater irrelavence the government has in their lives.

Greenfly don’t know if you realise but a greenfly is one of the sheep farmers worst enemies. The fly is slightly bigger the a house fly and it has a bright green body but these bastards are evil. They will fly over sheep and drop eggs on to back and arse area, these then hatch into maggots and eat the sheep alive. These parasites will eventually kill the sheep, not unlike you and your commie mates, unless the sheep is treated. I have shorn many fly blown sheep and it is without a doubt one of the worst jobs one can do.
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March 23, 2009 11:53am
greenfly

Brian Smaller – yes, it was and I was following DPF’s encouragement to ‘be amusing’. I thought it did get some distance and honsetly, was quite flattering to Nikki Kaye.

side show bob – maybe your etymology book is different from mine. My kinda greenfly is a plant-sap sucker and has no interest in sheep 🙂 Maybe yours is a Green Fly. No relation. I’ve roused in many a woolshed and know what you are talking about. Speaking of wool, do you wear your hair like your namesake?
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March 23, 2009 12:55pm
greenfly

Honestly.

Patrick?
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March 23, 2009 1:00pm
PhilBest

Look, over the last 8 years or so, the NZ GDP has been artificially inflated to the tune of about 10% per annum, by the effect on consumer spending, of property values also artificially inflating. If it wasn’t for that, the economy would already have been shrinking years ago.

All the luxuries enacted by the Clark government, like WFF and student loan subsidies and nationalising corporations and assets, and employer contributions to kiwisaver and 4 weeks leave and costly impositions on employers and strangulatory environmental protections; were things that we truly could not afford: we should have been tightening our belts, not loosening them. We now need to tighten twice as much, and we just aren’t home when it comes to getting this message.
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March 23, 2009 2:05pm
virtualmark

PhilBest, I agree that a fair portion of our recent economic growth has been illusory, built on a shell game of rising house prices (note, prices, not values) and ready access to cheap debt.

To be fair, large parts of our true economy have also contributed, like the dairy boom. But a lot has been based on people taking out bigger mortgages so they can buy new cars and LCD TVs, rather than investing in productive assets.

That’s why it’s pretty disappointing to see signs that investor interest in real estate is on the rise again. FFS that’s the problem that’s got us in this mess in the first instance. It’s the real estate bubble that’s mainly to blame for the current economic problems we’re in. But Kiwis seem to be crack addicts when it comes to buying property.
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March 23, 2009 2:16pm
XChequer

Check it out! Greenfly is funny!

XChequer
http://www.thenzhomeoffice.blogspot.com/
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March 23, 2009 3:19pm
side show bob

Greenfly no my hair isn’t blue, wish it was but unfortunately it is white and shaggy and has been so for some years. I was entertaining a bus load of pensioners the other day and some of the old Lady’s suggested a blue rinse, very kind of them I thought. 🙂
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March 23, 2009 4:00pm
grumpyoldhori

side show bob, you mean a flat consumption tax do you not
That way we would have tax lawyers and accountants rattling tins on corners.
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March 23, 2009 4:50pm
Nomestradamus

Philu, in his ongoing campaign for drug law reform, will surely have something to say about this story:

A man so muddled by years of marijuana dependency believed he was married to his former flatmate for nearly a decade – a mistake that threatened to derail his wedding to a new partner.
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The man could not remember a wedding ceremony taking place but always believed they had been married. He told the court the details must have slipped his mind because he was stoned at the time. Indeed he had no “meaningful recollection” of significant portions of the relationship.

Yes, the story’s headed imaginary marriage, so nothing to do with Philu.
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March 23, 2009 5:56pm
dad4justice

Oh great, Key will enable people to sell holidays on Trade Me.What a cot case country of dickwacks. Cash in a braincell kiwi.
No more freezing works send those live sheep you wackos. Jobs for the kiwi meatworker look grim. Doh what a sicjk joke!!
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March 23, 2009 6:02pm
Patrick Starr

are you calling me gan grenefly?
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March 23, 2009 7:03pm
greenfly

Pat. Great to hear from you. You were going to prove your case re. Nikki Kaye. Go ahead. Or apologise. Truth is important, as you know. ps, are you calling me gan grenefly? are you drunk?
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March 23, 2009 7:16pm
Patrick Starr

gan grenefly – Your patronising remarks about all female nat mps are clear for everyone to see. That not only makes you in breach of your own green party values number 6. but also makes you dissapear from this site as you promised – ta ta
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March 23, 2009 7:21pm
greenfly

Big Bruv! Big Bruv!! NActional have given the big THUMBS UP to live sheep shipment to Saudi Arabia and as you know THAT WENT WELL LAST TIME!! Big Bruv, why do you hang around with these butchers? Big Bruv – whose speaking out against this disgusting practice???? The GREENS Big Bro, that’s who! Who’s giving it the go ahead, Big Bro? Key, the NATIONAL PARTY, the ACT PARTY, Big Bro and the rest of that rag-tag bunch of sheep torturers. How do you like you mates NOW, Bro. Don’t be shy about having your say, Big Bro. We’d love to hear from you.
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March 23, 2009 7:21pm
greenfly

Run Pat, before truth ankle-taps you and you fall on your face! Oops! Too late! Loser!
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March 23, 2009 7:23pm
Patrick Starr

“ps, are you calling me gan grenefly? are you drunk?” – no, but I suspect I know why you’re green
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March 23, 2009 7:25pm
big bruv

greenfly

You know my stance on this, you also know that I am not bothered about speaking out against the parties I voted for (unlike you). you also know that I am right behind the Greens on this matter and will continue to fight the bastards who think this torture of innocent animals is an acceptable practise.

So please, take your faux outrage somewhere else, unless you are prepared to stop being a cheer leader then do not bother to insult me when I work long and hard for animal welfare while you use it to score cheap political points.
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March 23, 2009 7:29pm
greenfly

Facts Patrick – where are they? Give up? Apologise now (it’ll be difficult for you, but I’ll forgive you)
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March 23, 2009 7:30pm
slijmbal

Folks – why do you respond to the troll the flying phlegm? He trolls and trolls and trolls – never makes a valid point but gets responses – send the man (I use the term loosely) to coventry and maybe we can have some dialogue in this blog. You’re feeding his need for attention.
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March 23, 2009 7:36pm
Steve

Telstra customer.
History is a fire six months ago and now time to get the telephone working.
Simple as, just ring and get connected. One week later and many calls this is still a problem. Seems there is this ticket thing that did not get generated to send to the wholesalers Telecom.

Simple as, we ring again and get apologies and apologies and apologies. You would think they get the hint like do something and stop the sorry rubbish.

Then comes the Broadband thing, it may take 24/48 hrs after the connection is made.
Amazing that we can send a signal to a robot on Mars to instruct, yet we can not get communication to tell some dickbrain to put a jumper pin in at the exchange.

How the fuck do these incompedent people get jobs, let alone stay in that job???
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March 23, 2009 7:59pm
greenfly

Thanks for your response slijmbal. I’m encouraged by your attention.

Big Bruv – my outrage is not faux. I’m no cheer leader. I say what I believe. National and Act et al giving this disgusting practice the go-ahead is foul. What do you think? I don’t hear anything from you, in defense of the animals and I’m wondering why? Have Key and Hide bought your silence (of the lambs)?

Patrick. Don’t say anything at all. You are forgiven. Clean slate.
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March 23, 2009 8:06pm
dad4justice

big blouse and greenflee wank on about animal welfare while the freezing worker joins the WINZ club? Go figure!
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March 23, 2009 8:13pm
big bruv

” I don’t hear anything from you,”

Then clearly you are an idiot, try reading my entire post (7.29pm) to see what I think about it.

Your latest comments prove that your outrage is indeed faux.
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March 23, 2009 8:14pm
dad4justice

“Then clearly you are an idiot”

Everyone must be an idiot on this blog except you big blog blouse.
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March 23, 2009 8:16pm
big bruv

Where as D4J just “wanks”
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March 23, 2009 8:19pm
dad4justice

Do you know many redundant freezing workers Miss Blouse? Bah, bah, said the small bra.
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March 23, 2009 8:22pm
big bruv

“Do you know many redundant freezing workers Miss Blouse?”

No, and your point is?

Look, please do not embarrass yourself any more than you already have, why not sit there and churn out another of your anti female rants that we can all skip over (apart from giving you a negative karma), either that or enthral us with another of your highly entertaining posts about police corruption, I particularly like the ones where they allegedly gave you the bash, they are always good for a laugh.
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March 23, 2009 8:58pm
dad4justice

“No, and your point is?”

You are more of an idiot than I could imagine. Those live sheep could be slaughtered and processed here by kiwi’s but I don’t expect you to understand that. You are one sad jerk. Are you a bent cop?

Hey big blouse your negative karma hurt me, haha what a wimp! Haha, hit me with a thumb down Mr Dumbo.
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March 23, 2009 9:02pm
Chuck Bird

The List was on 60 Minutes tonight

http://www.3news.co.nz/The-List/tabid/209/articleID/96674/cat/46/Default.aspx

Two brothers, young teenagers, mapped out the sexual abuse they wanted to carry out.

CYF were made aware of the list, which included the names of future victims and described in graphic detail the planned attacks.

But nothing was done to stop those attacks happening. And in the end, at least 12 young girls were molested.

60 Minutes Reporter Sarah Hall investigates.

CPF is the government organisation meant to use their discretion when investigating parents for smacking an unruly child.

It appears that like in the case of the canyoning tragedy no one is going to be held to account.

A replay can be watched online. Heads should roll.
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March 23, 2009 9:23pm
big bruv

D4J

Please point out where I said anything about these sheep NOT being slaughtered here?, also please point out where I said I was in favour of these poor creatures being sent away as live exports?

Personally I think that any killing done in a slaughter house is the worst form of cruelty, home kill is the only way to go in my book as the animal has a quick, painless and most importantly UNEXPECTED death.

There you go D4J, a challenge has been offered, are you game to take it up or are you going to burst forth with another irrational outburst complete with child like name calling?
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March 23, 2009 9:36pm
Patrick Starr

Thanks for the link Chuck Bird
I can tell you from experience that this lack of police and CYFs attention in cases like that is not uncommon
I was a Mackenzie friend for a victim’s family in a serious case of abuse and had to deal with CYFs and the Police on behalf. I can tell you that that both departments are equally useless. As the victims family on 60 min has stated they have never been interviewed by CYFs is not an uncommon situation.
That dept is run with less efficiency than a corner dairy
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March 23, 2009 9:56pm
dad4justice

“Personally I think that any killing done in a slaughter house is the worst form of cruelty”

Haha, slaughter house sheep meat used to be the backbone of our primary exports. Worked is the sticking pen have you? You are laughable. Haha what wally. Thanks for the laugh idiot.
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March 23, 2009 10:09pm
getstaffed

bruv, homekill more humane than a slaughterhouse? I’m no expert, but the memory of my grandfather slaughtering a lamb left me, a then teenage carnivore, looking forward to a summer of salads!
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March 23, 2009 10:17pm
dad4justice

hey blouse I must tell the Halal sheep meat boys you think they are cruel. What a dickhead. Haha thanks for the laugh – FFS -lol.
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March 23, 2009 10:23pm
adc

hey toad, that argument about disproportionate sentencing is completely bogus.

After the 2nd offense, if you commit a burglary, you aren’t just committing a burglary as if it were your first offense. You are showing yet again your disdain and contempt for society and its laws. Why should someone get off that with just the price of the burglary (or 1/3 of it)?
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