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March 20, 2009 8:00am by David Farrar

General Debate 20 March 2009

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Inventory2

greenfly – I have two fine young adult children – both at university now, and both with lives of enormous potential ahead of them. I understand the issue just fine thank you. The “thrashing” cases were extreme and isolated, as well you know. But once again, you just can’t resist using the same emotive and inflammatory language as toad did.
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March 20, 2009 8:22pm
greenfly

( whispers ) it’s not abuse Patrick Starr, it’s a question!
I very rarely lose my cool. You are not providing any challenge or opposition here. Toad has probably become bored and hopped off, Village Idiot has doubtless become distracted by something seen out of the corner of his eye and I am dismayed at the lack of substance to the pro-smacking commenters here – ffs, Inventory2 is calling it the s92 debate!! Like shooting ducks in a barrel. Then getstaffed says, BEWARE THE GREENS! Are you of the Brethren persuation too, get?
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March 20, 2009 8:24pm
toad

Patrick Starr said: I’m not losing an argument simply because Im not letting you debate how I raise my kids.

Patrick, there have to be some limits. Do you think it is okay to put kids (like Nia Glassie) in a clothes dryer? Or do you think it is okay to fuck them? Or to torture them?

Statute law has to impose some limits on what parents can do to their children. The question we are debating is where those limits should be.

As far as I am concerned, violent behavior to children, including “smacking” is likely to make them grow up to accept violence and threats of violence as normal – “If you don’t do what I want, then I’ll smack you over.”

After all, what is learned from the parents becomes the child’s behaviour as they grow into adults too. We have to stop the cycle of violence, and stopping hitting kids imo will go a long way to achieving that.
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March 20, 2009 8:26pm
toad

greenfly said: Toad has probably become bored and hopped off

Nope, but do have friends for dinner, and not being the most sociable host tryingto keep up with this. Might have to go for a while.
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March 20, 2009 8:28pm
Nookin

Who is feeding super 14 refs ego pills? They are ruining the game. Esp M Goddard!
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March 20, 2009 8:49pm
getstaffed

As far as I am concerned, violent behavior to children, including “smacking” is likely to make them grow up to accept violence and threats of violence as normal – “If you don’t do what I want, then I’ll smack you over.”

You have such low expectations toad. Everyone is victim of circumstance, tossed and gored by daily life and unable to recover, let alone set their own path. Thank goodness you and the Greens are here to graciously define right and wrong for us and to show us the true path.

Anyhow, based on your cause and effect truism (ref smack you over above) we should be looking to ban rugby, tree climing and bull-rush (oh, no… you’ve already managed that. Tick.)

Then there’s that vicious psychological violence… you know where as a parent I set limits (do your homework, no you can’t scull the Jack Daniels etc) and this is interpreted as a violation of my child’s human rights. Why don’t you just come out with it, and redefine violence as anything that I do to my child that you don’t approve of. That should do it… at least that would be honest.

In summary, my demand is simple: Get you ideologically blinkered, social engineering hands away from my family.
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March 20, 2009 8:49pm
dad4justice

New Zealand has no place for nanny state social engineering, time parental responsibility and respect for all children is the norm.

Nookin, most super 14 ref’s need to cut back on the ego pills. Smack the ball and man, haha..
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March 20, 2009 8:55pm
dad4justice

New Zealand has no place for nanny state social engineering, time parental responsibility and respect for all children is the norm.

Nookin, most super 14 refs need to cut back on the ego pills. Smack the ball and man, back in the bin dad-haha..
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March 20, 2009 8:57pm
Patrick Starr

“Do you think it is okay to put kids (like Nia Glassie) in a clothes dryer? Or do you think it is okay to fuck them? Or to torture them?”

Now trying to compare proper parents raising their kids with the occasional corrective smack – to maoris on benefits killing babies is just the irrelevant and disproportionate analogies you greens are famous for using

“The question we are debating is where those limits should be”
really? In my family its not your limits – it’s mine and you can fuck off
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March 20, 2009 8:59pm
dad4justice

I am sorry about the double posting. I don’t know what happened there?
Children need responsible role models parents not big sister lefty government.
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March 20, 2009 9:03pm
Nookin

You’ve got the ref’s disease. Get one in and have to get another. 5 yellow cards and one red so far tonight
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March 20, 2009 9:06pm
Patrick Starr

agreed with you Nookin. Goddard is out of his depth
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March 20, 2009 9:07pm
greenfly

getstaffed – at last, you’ve made a substantial claim that you can verify (I hope) to prove that you are reliable and honest and it’s so clear and unequivicable – you said that the Greens have banned bull-rush. How could we! I’m disgusted with us! Please link to that event (the banning) or provide a reference to verify your claim. I’ll be enormously respectful of you and concur to your greater experience and wisdom, the moment you verify your claim. This is exciting. I hope to hold you in the highest regard and I will. Just prove your claim and I’m your adoring fan. Or are you full of shit? All the best.
greenfly
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March 20, 2009 9:09pm
Patrick Starr

greenfly – I concur with getstaffed and recall a spokeperson from the greens stating that bullrush was too violent and competitive to be allowed. He doesnt need to back it up as two us (at least) recall it
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March 20, 2009 9:15pm
Inventory2

Goddard started that match with a pre-determined plan. He totally screwed the match as a spectacle. I’m sure at one point when he was chastising the players, I heard him say “I don’t want you messing up my ball” – which kinda said it all

Oh – and greenfly – so I made a mistake with the number – whoopty-do. I’ve worked hard this week, and the brain isn’t as sharp as usual.
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March 20, 2009 9:22pm
greenfly

that’s awsome Patrick – the Greens banned it, right? You’re certain? Wow! My admiration is building for you both. Now, all I need is that link or reference and I’d even consider leaving Kiwiblog and never darkening your doors again. Just need that verification and I’m gone! The press release would be acceptable. The Green Party – banned bull-rush! Crikey! Send it through. Or….are you full of shit also?
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March 20, 2009 9:22pm
dad4justice

You are getting nasty now greenfly. What position were you in rugby? I know you like to whistle thru the air, have you the dreaded “refs disease” affecting the present morons who are ruining the great game? Boot and ruck and smack that peenut fly.
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March 20, 2009 9:26pm
greenfly

Inventory2 – yes, worked hard and so did I Inv2 – we are alike in some ways! I’m off to bed.
Btw – I too have grown children. My two boys were both dux at their schools several years ago and my daughter is brighter even than them, so I’m kinda hoping… so, you know, that smacking thing, I’ve got a bit of an idea about the reality of that as well.
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March 20, 2009 9:27pm
reid

so, you know, that smacking thing, I’ve got a bit of an idea about the reality of that as well

I rather suspect your kids would have grown up the same even if you had smacked them greenfly.

See it’s love and wisdom in parents that makes the difference in their children. Smacking doesn’t negate that and it doesn’t reinforce it either. Some parents however believe it’s occasionally necessary when dealing with a young mind incapable of reason, and provided it’s done with love, it doesn’t matter.

Why didn’t The Greens pass a law banning parental hatred against their children? That’s what they really meant to do. It’s just they missed the target. Again.
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March 20, 2009 9:39pm
Patrick Starr

perhaps you should read what I said greenfly

“recall a spokeperson from the greens stating that bullrush was too violent and competitive to be allowed.”

as opposed to your

“the Greens banned it, right? You’re certain?”

…………….it’s you who is full of shit
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March 20, 2009 9:42pm
Inventory2

greenfly – surely you didn’t….apply the occasional bit of physical correction – ah well, confession is good for the soul, so you should sleep well. As Helen Clark said pre-election 2005, banning smacking was “defying human nature” …..
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March 20, 2009 9:50pm
getstaffed

you said that the Greens have banned bull-rush

No I did not. Do try to keep up little one.

But now you come to mention it… I agree with Patrick.

Banning bull-rush is absurd engough to be a Green objective.
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March 20, 2009 9:52pm
Patrick Starr

“My two boys were both dux at their schools ”

shall we go back and read what greenfly had to say about titles that recognise achievement?

“greenfly (608) Vote: 5 17 Says:
March 10th, 2009 at 11:21 am
It’s a Great Leap Backwards, M’Lud. Medieval Actoid Flat-earthers will be throwing their pince-nez into the air with glee”
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/four_editorials_on_titular_honours.html#comment-541713
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March 20, 2009 9:58pm
dad4justice

“Why didn’t The Greens pass a law banning parental hatred against their children? That’s what they really meant to do. It’s just they missed the target. Again.”

reid nails it. The far left despise family bonds of love, because they are the hardest to break and control.
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March 20, 2009 10:08pm
getstaffed

And now for an oldie that showed up in my inbox today …

If you yelled for 8 years, 7 months and 6 days you would have produced enough sound energy to heat one cup of coffee.
(Hardly seems worth it.)

If you farted consistently for 6 years and 9 months, enough gas is produced to create the energy of an atomic bomb.
(just 2 seconds under the covers is enough to blow me away… >-o-<)

The human heart creates enough pressure when it pumps out to the body to squirt blood 30 feet.
(DUH!)

A pig’s orgasm lasts 30 minutes.
(In my next life, I want to be a pig.)

A cockroach will live nine days without its head before it starves to death.
(Creepy.)
(I’m still not over the pig.)

Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories an hour.
(What if you had a partner to help with the banging???)

The male praying mantis cannot copulate while its head is attached to its body. The female initiates sex by ripping the male’s head off.
(I like this alot!)

The flea can jump 350 times its body length. It’s like a human jumping the length of a football field.
(30 minutes… lucky pig. can you imagine??)

The catfish has over 27,000 taste buds.
(What could be so tasty on the bottom of a pond?)

Some lions mate over 50 times a day.
(I still want to be a pig in my next life…quality over quantity)

Butterflies taste with their feet.
(Something I always wanted to know.)

The strongest muscle in the body is the tongue.
(Hmmmmmm……..)

Right-handed people live, on average, nine years longer than left-handed people.
(If you’re ambidextrous, do you split the difference?)

Elephants are the only animals that cannot jump.
(OK, so that would be a good thing………………..)

A cat’s urine glows under a black light.
(I wonder who was paid to figure that out?)

An ostrich’s eye is bigger than its brain.
(I know some people like that.)

Starfish have no brains.
(I know some people like that too.)

Polar bears are left-handed.
(If they switch, they’ll live a lot longer.)

Humans and dolphins are the only species that have sex for pleasure.
(What about that pig??)
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March 20, 2009 10:10pm
dad4justice

“The male praying mantis cannot copulate while its head is attached to its body. The female initiates sex by ripping the male’s head off.”

I pray the sisterhood witches don’t turn me into a male praying mantis 🙂
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March 20, 2009 10:14pm
Patrick Starr

“Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories an hour.”

maybe – just maybe Antoine Dixon was just on a diet?
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March 20, 2009 10:22pm
Glutaemus Maximus

My wife often thinks, and tells me that I am a Pig.

Awesome.

Looking at everything differently now!
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March 20, 2009 10:59pm
wikiriwhis business

“Right-handed people live, on average, nine years longer than left-handed people.”

I’m left handed (not a lefty)

But….. I was told circumcised males live longer than uncut males.

I’m in a quandary.
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