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February 6, 2009 10:42am by David Farrar

General Debate 6 February 2009

Happy Waitangi Day!

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billyborker

If you only read one web page today, make it this one.

http://www.sappho.dk/gregorius-nekschots-tale-i-dansk-forfatterforening.htm

So, what has changed in the Netherlands? The present governing coalition of orthodox Christians, Christian Democrats and Social-democrats is an outright disaster. The Christians in the cabinet try to rob the Dutch of their traditional small pleasures. A smoking ban, a ban on prostitution, a ban on smoking weed, and a ban on magic mushrooms have been introduced. The list is longer but, one by one, these are all attempts to teach the Dutch that their life on earth is not meant to be pleasant.

Christian politicians’ fear of social unrest is deeply rooted. Former Prime Minister Colijn even advised his fellow countrymen to collaborate with the Nazis and abort all resistance after the defeat of the Dutch army in 1940. A cartoonist who pokes fun at Islam is exactly the type of “subversive element” that orthodox Christians and Christian Democrats would rather see the backside of.

Social-democrats, previously well known for their anti-religious behaviour, appease Islamists with subsidies and preferential treatment. They do this for electoral purposes. For instance, Job Cohen, the social-democrat mayor of Amsterdam, has personally abolished the separation of Church & State in the Dutch capital, only to please Muslim voters.

This poisonous cocktail of religion, religious insanity, Christian opportunism and left-wing self-interest has created a deadly threat for Freedom & Democracy in the Netherlands.
Extremists have already killed a politician and a movie-director in the Netherlands. Now the Dutch State has started to arrest and intimidate artists. It is frightening to see how fast, and how easily, the Netherlands is slipping back into dark times.

In the year 2008 it was Gregorius Nekschot who was arrested and thrown into jail, in 2009 there will be others.

Ladies and Gentlemen, once you trade your freedom for peace, you are doomed. The Netherlands, and I am sorry to say so, has set a very poor example.
Long live a free Denmark!

[DPF: Very good]
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February 6, 2009 10:49am
JC

It’s still a dumb day for a holiday..

A day when people who are 75% European tell others who are 90% European how different and special they are.

JC
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February 6, 2009 10:57am
reid

What’s really dumb is that in 2010 and 2011 we’re not going to get a day off because Waitangi Day falls over the weekend.

This is possibli as important as the GFC and I call for immediate action to correct this looming travesty of freedom.
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February 6, 2009 11:04am
Inventory2

Is anyone else concerned at the growing number of very young people who kill people for seemingly no reason at all?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/02/human-time-bomb.html
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February 6, 2009 11:07am
cha

More financial madness
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February 6, 2009 11:18am
Redbaiter

“If you only read one web page today, make it this one.”

Why for fuck’s sake? The spiteful whining of some pathetic liberal whose suicidal because he’s lost what he holds most dear, power over others, and whose use of the word “disaster” is not at all borne out by anything (in its true sense) in the remainder of his completely underwhelming opinion piece. Just the same old boring commie crap from the same old boring commie narcissists.
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February 6, 2009 11:19am
dimmocrazy

Thanks for that link Billy, scary indeed.
I don’t think you quite got the message and context in this case Redbaiter, read again.
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February 6, 2009 11:35am
Glutaemus Maximus

Does anyone know whether the aid and cash sent to Banda Aceh, and other areas devastated by the Tsunami, was ever deployed?

Or was it like so many other charities fundraising, going straight to the management, and their special friends in the various Countries.

I really hope that there was some relief to those affected.
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February 6, 2009 11:43am
dad4justice

“Just the same old boring commie crap from the same old boring commie narcissists”.

You know where to put your tulip whinger link billy porker.
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February 6, 2009 11:45am
dimmocrazy

D4J, did you actually read that link or are you just ganging up on Billy with Redbaiter there? (I’ve no reason at all to choose anybody’s side, but really would like you and Red to try to understand what this ‘whinger’ is actually saying)
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February 6, 2009 11:49am
billyborker

No, dad4justice, I don’t.

My psychic powers are weak today.

Wait, I’m getting something, a younger person, a car, an Axel. Is the car a Bentley? Is the girl a Chris or Christine? Maybe the axel is an Alex.

Ah, so you want me to put my link in a Bentley, driven by Alex going to pick up Christie! Got it!
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February 6, 2009 11:50am
dad4justice

dim ; I read it and found it hilarious. Didn’t the dutch invent the big brother concept?

Edit – billy proker or should I say fugley can you please respect the dead and leave my daughter out of putrid pus laden rhetoric.
I have forwarded your comment to police.
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February 6, 2009 11:52am
kiwipolemicist

I’m interested in hearing how John Key comes across to you.

I think that the guy is a public menace, but he does come across as a nice guy and putting his cast on TradeMe only strengthens that impression.

http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/john-keys-response-to-his-broken-arm-says-a-lot/
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February 6, 2009 12:09pm
dimmocrazy

D4J, I am in no mood to explain the Dutch legal system in any detail, other than that it has a true and old constitution guaranteeing civil liberties at a level that is not commonly seen. However those liberties are being increasingly trampled upon by over-PC institutions and political/bureaucratic machinations. As far as I read this piece, it identifies some possible explanations on why this is possible within the Dutch system and psyche. What we are looking at is a fundamental clash of cultures and a development that may have much deeper impact than may be evident at first glance.
You should talk with a few Dutch people, maybe, and google the situations surrounding the issues referred to in that piece, such as the Geert Wilders / Pim Fortuyn / van Gogh cases, and have a quick look at the Dutch constitution.
It is scary stuff, mate, really. (Also note that your particular hobbyhorse is dealt with in quite a specific way over there..)
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February 6, 2009 12:10pm
MT_Tinman

JC (304) Says:
February 6th, 2009 at 10:57 am

It’s still a dumb day for a holiday..

A day when people who are 75% European tell others who are 90% European how different and special they are.

Right on!

In protest I shall reduce my workday today to 16 hours.
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February 6, 2009 12:15pm
reid

Edit – billy proker or should I say fugley can you please respect the dead and leave my daughter out of putrid pus laden rhetoric.

Yeah have to say, billy, bringing up anything like that the way you seem to often do is a rather execrable and ad homina approach to anything.

Why don’t you just avoid that altogether from now on. I have no idea what you’re talking about BTW and I don’t want to know, the private lives of everyone here aren’t relevant in any way to anything they say here, ever.

Rex Widerstrom is another one who gets it sometimes from some people and again I have no idea what it’s about and I don’t want to know.

This is a public discussion idea-sharing voluntary forum which is only ever cheapened by such tactics as you use. Cease and desist, forever, is my suggestion.

BTW, this is in a quite different category from the normal ad homina that gets thrown around all the time which I find especially amusing especially when it comes from Redbaiter and I;m not at all saying in any way that this latter format should also be abandoned. If you can’t discern the difference between the former and the latter, then you’re not quite as bright as I thought you were, Billy.
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February 6, 2009 12:15pm
billyborker

reid, you are right, of course, and I should follow your advice. However, D4J is a special case, as I never seen him make a single on topic contribution to a debate here.

Suffice to say that much of the trouble in The Netherlands is caused by those who claim to be xtian; D4J also claims to be xtian. Make of that what you will.
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February 6, 2009 12:30pm
billyborker

meanwhile, Christchurch has another example of one law for rich, another for poor.

Private school-educated bank robber George Cowen will serve his sentence in his parents’ plush home. In sentencing, the judge said Cowen had every advantage in life and that was ‘almost an aggravating feature’.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4839260a11.html

In fact, it is the exact reason why this piece of scum should have been given a prison sentence, and at the harsher end of the scale, he should not be cossetted with mummy and daddy. What sort of parents raise a slime ball like this? Where were they when he was out at the casino or playing on line poker all night? Society needs to get rid of this scum.

This toe rag made a deliberate choice to gamble, a deliberate choice to rob a bank, a deliberate choice to terrorise people at their place of work. He deserves no sympathy.

Meanwhile, Rangi from Aranui nicks a few bucks from the local Dairy and finds himself banged up for 2 years.

George Cowen, you are a criminal, a low life thug and a coward.

Oh, and if you think I’m angry, I am. My partner works in a bank, it could have been her he threatened.
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February 6, 2009 1:20pm
reid

One assumes billy that the judge applied the same rules to George as he would apply to Rangi. If he didn’t then the Prosecution can and should appeal. That’s why the justice statue atop the Old Bailey wears a blindfold.

The fact George has a plush home and Rangi doesn’t, isn’t George’s fault.
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February 6, 2009 1:24pm
billyborker

No, but the fact George chose to rob a bank IS his fault.

And this just reinforces that justice is not blind to privelege.
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February 6, 2009 1:30pm
reid

“And this just reinforces that justice is not blind to privelege.”

No, it doesn’t billy. Read the first para of my 1:24 again.
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February 6, 2009 1:59pm
Inventory2

What do you have against Christians billy? There are good Christians and not-so-good ones, just as there are good and bad Maori, Pakeha, gays, straights, politicians, and even borkers. Don’t judge a whole group by the actions of one or two.
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February 6, 2009 2:04pm
dad4justice

“D4J also claims to be xtian.”

billy the “xtian” comment gave you away as the fugley the nasty troll from tbr and NZ Conservative.
I will not lower myself to your hideous level and your hatred of Christians is a psychotic mental disorder.
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February 6, 2009 2:33pm
billyborker

reid, Cowen wasn’t tried in the old bailey.

I wonder if the good folks of Carnaby close are happy with this?

d4j, xtian is a widely accepted abbreviation, even among xtians. The x is from the greek letter chi which has a croos shape.

I2, I have nothing against xtians in particular, but i do reserve the right to criticise any and all religions. When xtians use thier religion as the basis to tell others what to do, the xtains get short shrift around billy’s palce. Same for any other religion. Religion sours everything good about humanity.
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February 6, 2009 2:50pm
reid

“reid, Cowen wasn’t tried in the old bailey.”

No he wasn’t billy, I was merely using that statue as a conveniently pithy metaphor to illustrate my point.

Please note the metaphor is also accurate given that our entire justice system uses Westminster principles of precedence and jurisprudence, which are the particular legal principles relevant to the point I was making.

Sorry if that wasn’t clear, hope that helps.
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February 6, 2009 3:12pm
billyborker

Although not applicable in this case, NZ law has moved away from supposed Westminster principles, including in the presumption of innocence.
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February 6, 2009 3:30pm
joeAverage

Sorry folks TO MANY BLACKS IN THE 7s TEAM , to many fuckfuckwolos and no thinking whites , ,um are we watching a NZ team our team OR a second string pacific island beach rugby group GO WALES at least they select from their own country
im wound up, im a GRUMPYOLDPAKEHA, i have a tooth abcess , a poisened bad finger cut and im tired But the biggist insult the NZr??? ,fuck in the interview this NZ couldnt speak straight english, sounded SOUTH DORKLAND, PUT THINKING WHITES IN THE TEAM, not islanders , do your worse Mr Farrar , at 60 yo I TRY HARDER in my dog agilitysport with my dogs, AND PLAY BY THE DAMN RULES, im not a cheating fancy boy

[DPF: most things go in general debate, not such blatant racism. 30 demerits]
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February 6, 2009 3:41pm
joeAverage

Darn im back ,My wife my love said (dosnt it look great our stadium) the stadium OUR STADIUM,we live in the centre of power WELLINGTON , but someone forgot to select a decent honest 7 NZ team with at least a balance of talent ,at $40 for pie ,chips and beer (POORopps RICH TOSSERS,we might feel short changed by the players representing NZ, PS they might win here in NZ????????? but then im not expecting to win lotto tonight (realist)
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February 6, 2009 3:53pm
reid

i have a tooth abcess , a poisened bad finger cut and im tired

Crikey joe, from trying to read your comment and understand what the heck you’re on about, I’d say those are the very least of your problems….
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February 6, 2009 4:04pm
calendar girl

The +1 in joe’s 3:41 post is mine. It was a mistake.
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February 6, 2009 4:06pm
Michael E

“im [sic] not expecting to win lotto tonight” joeAverage @3.53pm. Might be a little hard as today is Friday and the draw is tomorrow. You could try picking the numbers 28 – 17.

Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi,
Gwlad beirdd a chantorion, enwogion o fri;
Ei gwrol ryfelwyr, gwladgarwyr tra mâd,
Dros ryddid collasant eu gwaed.
Gwlad, gwlad, pleidiol wyf i’m gwlad.
Tra môr yn fur i’r bur hoff bau,
O bydded i’r hen iaith barhau.

(or in English:

The land of my fathers, the land of my choice,
The land in which poets and minstrels rejoice;
The land whose stern warriors were true to the core,
While bleeding for freedom of yore.
Wales! Wales! fav’rite land of Wales!
While sea her wall, may naught befall
To mar the old language of Wales.)
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February 6, 2009 4:09pm
getstaffed

Religion sours everything good about humanity

I disagree, however your religion of atheism has clearly soured your humanity
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February 6, 2009 4:18pm
reid

Religion sours everything good about humanity

“There are Christians who regard all atheists as wholly evil, as given up to the service of an evil power. And there are atheists who firmly believe that all Christians are doing the greatest harm to the whole human race by their “superstitious and false doctrines.” The truth is that neither the Christian nor the atheist is evil, nor in the service of evil, but each is choosing his own way, and is pursuing that course which he is convinced is right.”

James Allen
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February 6, 2009 4:25pm
Frank

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February 6, 2009 4:26pm
billyborker

You may disagree all you like, but that is my opinion.

I am not an atheist, and even if I were, atheism is not a religion.

Religion poisons the human spirit.
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February 6, 2009 4:27pm
billyborker

Well said Frank, or was that a comment from the holy ghost?
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February 6, 2009 4:30pm
joeAverage

Dont worry Reid Mr Farrars given me 30 demerites for being a racist GOD mr farrar ,im a racist?? I CAN BET $100 that i work with more islanders, /maoris, that he comes in contact in a week im not saying i like them but as workers GOOD WORKERS ,BUT as SMOKERS , and LITTERBUGS they really fuck me of ,its a struggle,IM HEALTH AND SAFETY can issure compliance notices im a long term FIRST AID officier and a ,FIREWARDEN,fire college trained. MR FARRAR, ,i say it as it is ,YOU HATE THAT ,the truth hurts but run a BIG machine and sweat when I work, do you?we both have been there, PS ITS YOUR BLOGG enjoy the drones POSTING ,
remember 30 demerites for saying the king is naked. MR Farrar the blogg needs to terminate, you think you are bigger than the POSTERS, DAVID its becoming stale, the list of the banned are your posters, is SO LONG check demerites Mr Farrar , its patetic,so many posters , FREE THOUGHT YERR RIGHT
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February 6, 2009 4:34pm
Frank

In a report released last week, New York State Comptroller Thomas P. DiNapoli estimated that the securities industry granted its employees $18.4 billion in bonuses – a revelation that President Barack Obama characterized as “shameful.”

Not surprisingly, the audacity of The Street’s greed is far more shameful than people realize, because the total payout was actually much higher than the report found.

What wasn’t widely reported is that the $18.4 billion was only the cash portion of the bonus payout and only accounted for the money paid to securities-industry employees who worked in New York City. In other words, bonuses paid to employees working outside the city weren’t included. The Comptroller’s estimates also didn’t include stock options that have not been exercised, but that could easily increase the value of the bonus-related compensation by as much as 25% to 100%.

Wall Street’s greed precipitated the banking-and-credit crises, leaving taxpayers to foot the bill. Now those same taxpayers are being asked to finance Wall Street’s bonus payouts, which were actually a proximate cause of the crisis. They fueled a culture of greed and avarice, and created incentives for actions that led to the near-collapse of the U.S. banking system.

The Street’s greed, deceit and indifference are not only shameful; each is also a travesty of a mockery of a sham.

Understanding the compensation equation requires a look at more than just the numbers.

Backgrounder on Bonuses
Proxy season is fast-approaching: It’s the time of year when U.S. public companies – in advance of their annual stockholders’ meetings – send out the proxy statements that detail such items as shareholder resolutions and top-executive compensation. The American business press typically uses that as an opportunity to declare open season on executive compensation, running long stories that detail the seemingly huge payouts in cash, bonuses and grants of both restricted stock and stock options.

This year, however, due to the ongoing financial crisis, the executive-pay controversy has been elevated to an even-higher higher level. Companies that accepted government bailout money have still paid out big bonuses, attracting the ire of federal lawmakers and the new U.S. president alike.

Just yesterday (Wednesday), in fact, President Obama announced a salary cap of $500,000 for top executives at companies that receive large amounts of bailout money, calling the step an expression of both fairness and “basic common sense.”
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February 6, 2009 4:38pm
billyborker

for those who are sick of joelessthanaverage’s dribble, here’s a great time waster.

http://howoldareyou.net/

for those of you who believe in god(s), grow up.

http://www.godisimaginary.com/

During the elction campaign jonkey said he followed no religion. Today he exposed that as a sham, or outed himself as a hypocrite by leading prayers at waitangi.

“As we gather here this morning on this most historic of sites at dawn, we can give thanks.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4839798a11.html

To whom do we give thanks, Jonkey?

Just one more step down the road to an American polity where a belief in god(s) is more important than policy.

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February 6, 2009 4:42pm
joeAverage

BONKER, how many people have you trained to be good apprenticies,bonker if MR Farrar terminates me tonight (i dont care) i have standards, but in 2001 i was the best commercial printer in NZ,I won pride in print , so insult, bonker, I GET DEMERITES YOU DONT BONKER IM NOTICED, you are a drone fuckwit as a non wanted blue colour worker. you dont work, but Mr Farrar clearing us non wanted workers out of his post
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February 6, 2009 4:54pm
getstaffed

Religion poisons the human spirit.

Speak for yourself billyborker. My spirit is liberated by my faith… and I think I’m in a better position to make that assertion than you are
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February 6, 2009 5:02pm
philu

did you ingest too much printers ink..?..joeaverage..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 6, 2009 5:14pm
reid

Religion poisons the human spirit.

It’s judgement, condemnation and hatred that poisons the human spirit, billy.

Looking at religion without seeing that it’s essentially about love, respect and caring for others, is a not uncommon mistake made everyday by millions round the world. However, you will never understand it properly unless you factor in those aspects.

And before someone leaps in with the oft-heard cry about Islam being a hard-hearted religion that preaches hatred, I suggest to those people, that you look into the loving aspects that Islam has. There are many of them and ignoring them for the convenience of your own prejudice, doesn’t make those factors disappear.
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February 6, 2009 5:17pm
philu

meanwhile..back on planet earth..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/the-cure-for-wall-street-a-dose-of-socialism/

(um..!..don’t tell redbaiter..eh..?

..you know how (un-necessasarily) excited he/she gets..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 6, 2009 5:18pm
philu

and wtf is john key thinking..?

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/comment-whoarmemo-to-john-keyso-mr-keyyour-vision-of-the-future-offor-new-zealandincludes-churning-out-the-same-numbers-of-obese-childrenadults/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 6, 2009 5:20pm
oxymoron

>What’s really dumb is that in 2010 and 2011 we’re not going to get a
>day off because Waitangi Day falls over the weekend.

Not everybody gets to have a 9-5 job Monday to Friday and get days off on statutory holidays.
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February 6, 2009 5:23pm
philu

then again..

..there is the ‘it’s time to kiss our arses goodbye school of thought..

..(and they do make ‘quite the case’..)

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/its-not-going-to-be-ok/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 6, 2009 5:23pm
joeAverage

I would love to have Mr Farrars throne AS KIWIBLOG where if you have the guts to go up against thoughtfull posts,byAVERAGEJOE posters and you can stand the abuse you might ownly get 30 i repeat 30 demerites points for saying our 7s team is USELESS, to many kiddie islanders. throwing balls anywhere, and its worse when YOU HAVE A GUILLTY BLOGG OWNER, who thinks hes god before he thinks, reasese the blogg
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February 6, 2009 5:23pm
getstaffed

from stuff:

Wellington ratepayers will be forced to buy special plastic bags to cover a $1.1 million shortfall in the cost of recycling as the council looks to dispose of its green bins.

The Dominion Post revealed in May that Wellington City Council was planning to dump the 45-litre green bins and was considering wheelie bins instead.

In a report published yesterday, it is now recommending clear recycling bags, which would be sold at supermarkets alongside council rubbish bags. The bags would cost 60 cents each, plus a retail mark-up and gst – costing an average household about $29 a year if the council chose to subsidise the system.

So we going to have to purchase plastic bags for re-cycling… rather than use re-usable bins (I’ve had ours for 10 years and have used it weekly…)

Wellington City Council: I will pay $20/yr on my rates for kirbside collection of my recyclable waste. But if you force me to buy bags from a supermarket then that waste will go in my wheeliebin and end up at the landfill. Your choice.
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February 6, 2009 5:23pm
reid

I would love to have Mr Farrars throne AS KIWIBLOG

Why don’t you start your own, joe?

See how many people come.

Hint: try to make sense, that’s the first rule of thumb.
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February 6, 2009 5:29pm
joeAverage

Who gives a fuck towards extermination im going south on holiday, next week DAVID stomp on me, live with drones, theres other bloggs, ps i have a blogg site never started up( I WORK ) dont have the time
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February 6, 2009 5:39pm
joeAverage

FUCK MR Farrar Scotland beat Kenya THATS RACIAST Mr FARRAR im scots by birth opps HERITAGE) DEMERITES 80 im a fraser 90 demerites, SORT YOUR BLOGG OUT DAVID , gods light dosnt shine on you,. i feel picked on working class
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February 6, 2009 6:13pm
reid

getstaffed, re: your 5:23.

I must say since I moved to Wgtn from Akld 4 years ago, I’ve been surprised at the asidious and insidious ways which the Wellington regional councils apply to squeeze every last cent from the ratepayers.

In Auckland, wheelie bins are part of the rates. If you lose it, you call and get another, free. Granted, Wgtn doesn’t have the Metro-water model (thank goodness – that’s a travesty up there, don’t EVER do it here) but that’s about the only thing that’s better. In every other way, esp in things like inner city parking which DPF posted on a few weeks ago, Wgtn squeezes us like a lemon. Here, if you want a wheelie, you pay Waste Management about $185/year for the privilege, otherwise you use the plastic bags which stangely, animals love. Who’da thunk, eh?

I’m frankly surprised, given we’re supposed to be a politically aware region, that we put up with this shit.

The latest rort is of course going to be the overcooked rates bill based on valuations that are completely out of whack with the change in the market. That’s not just Wgtn, it’s all over. I would hope however that Rodney gets onto this issue and orders every council to develop a formula to take the new valuations approximately into account, as doing a complete set of re-valuations is of course ridiculously expensive and quite impractical. However as it stands, if nothing happens, for the next three years, every ratepayer is faced with the choice of appealing the valuation which presumably has a cost attached, or paying the bloody things knowing that it’s based on a false assumption.

It would help if more Wellington ratepayers looked into the Auckland rubbish disposal system. It’s much better than ours.
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February 6, 2009 6:16pm
billyborker

reid, the valuation doesn’t matter, what matters is the total rates bill. As long as councils levy rates the way they do, this will not change. If the valuations drop too far, they will simply increase the rate in ther dollar to get the same amount of revenue.

And Hide can keep the fuck out of the way councils work – they are eklected by ratepayers, ratepayers, not Hide, have the right to remove them. Jesusonarollerskate, you blokes really don’t like democracy, do you?
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February 6, 2009 6:23pm
wikiriwhis business

““If you only read one web page today, make it this one.”

Why for fuck’s sake? The spiteful whining of some pathetic liberal whose suicidal because he’s lost what he holds most dear, power over others, and whose use of the word “disaster” is not at all borne out by anything (in its true sense) in the remainder of his completely underwhelming opinion piece. Just the same old boring commie crap from the same old boring commie narcissists.”

Don’t lose your humanity for your doctrine Redbaiter

thats when they win.
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February 6, 2009 6:30pm
joeAverage

WOW the islander NZ have bet NUI wow what a scare, one of my yank spaniels might have done better????43points to 7
opps 60 demerites pointes for speaking the truth Im pakeha/scots by birth not a child killing beneficiery
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February 6, 2009 6:32pm
reid

Hide can keep the fuck out of the way councils work

Why should he, billy? You think councils operate at the most efficient level possible? Permit me to disagree.

Secondly, who ever said anything about Hide interfering with local body democracy (council membership etc)? That’s your hallucination, drawn from who knows where?

Billy, I’m beginning to think your birth certificate may in fact be an apology from the condom factory.

Between you and joe it’s all beginning to get a bit surreal here today.
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February 6, 2009 6:41pm
joeAverage

david explian to me 30 demerites, i want a reasonable post to be called a RACIST (next WHATS A RACIST)
ps david (MR FARRAR)i think you are far to smart for your self,
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February 6, 2009 6:41pm
joeAverage

sorry david as a non racist on your blogg posts need to be posted im worth 40 demerites as i find the time POSTING on KIWIBLOGG , its trying, David Farrar preasurises us, davids their
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February 6, 2009 6:48pm
Redbaiter

“Don’t lose your humanity for your doctrine Redbaiter”

Wiki- just look at the substance of the piece. What there is of it-

” A smoking ban, a ban on prostitution, a ban on smoking weed, and a ban on magic mushrooms have been introduced. ”

WTF?? Here in NZ smoking bans are everywhere, and most voters are pleased about it. (I’m not BTW).

A ban on prostitution?? Crap. It has been banned in some isolated areas only and some night clubs closed down because of organised crime problems.

A ban on smoking weed?- I can’t find any evidence of any ban on cannabis smoking.

A ban on magic mushrooms?? A national ban on the sale of fresh hallucinogenic ‘magic’ mushrooms took effect in the Netherlands on December 1, 2008. In dried form those mushrooms already were banned under Dutch Opiate Laws. The ban was first proposed in October 2007, after as series of high-profile deaths and injuries linked to magic mushroom trips. In other words, its fuck all to do with any right wing Christian edict. It was proposed before they won government and for health reasons that were agreed on by all parties.

The rest of the article is idiotic opinion. Where the fuck is the “disaster”. Please, all who disagreed with my original comment, feel free to point it out. Others more rational should accept this as another lesson in leftist deceit. Remember, nothing that ever comes from the lips or the pen of a leftist is beyond challenge. They’re always full of bullshit, and this is just one more example.
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February 6, 2009 6:52pm
wikiriwhis business

“Between you and joe it’s all beginning to get a bit surreal here today.”

I blame James sleep last night.

The mood turned decidedly bizzarre from his post on. At least he’s had the decency not to inflame the weirdness today.
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February 6, 2009 6:53pm
wikiriwhis business

“Wiki- just look at the substance of the piece. What there is of it-”

The original article is where my concern lay Baiter… as dimmocrazy said.
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February 6, 2009 7:02pm
Redbaiter

“The original article is where my concern lay Baiter… as dimmocrazy said.”

Those personal freedoms that are really under threat are under threat because of leftists like Billy Borker and Job Cohen, not the friggin Christians.
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February 6, 2009 7:12pm
joeAverage

i wish i lived in a ivory tower like david farrar, but then i work in the REAL WORD sorry david another 30 demerites so easy given SO LITTLE THOUGHT these demerites
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February 6, 2009 7:44pm
joeAverage

Mr David Farrar before you ban me its nearly time to SAY GOODBYE GOODBYE, bye
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February 6, 2009 7:52pm
joeAverage

David in my originol post about our ill diciplined team red and yellow card and your PC driven no thoughtfull comment 30 demerite lash out IM A RACIST PERSON ??? David do you think you need a break , ( its DAVIDS way or the highway) , i think (no minister )less oppressive, ps david place on your site what you want to comment on (ie cactus janes latest drink0

[DPF: The way you refer to dumb blacks and intelligent whites was offensive, as is obvious to anyone]
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February 6, 2009 8:41pm
grumpyoldhori

joeAverage, some things can be excused, but believing sevens is rugby ?
Have you played the game ?
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February 6, 2009 9:00pm
joeAverage

No grumpyoldhori david farrar AS THE SITE OWNER MADE A CUT AND THRUST STATEMENT , JOE YOU ARE A (RACIST)
30 demerites
shit goh in ANY democarcy you have a right of reply , but a god scene exist on this site,run by David Farrar, NO DISSENT,I RULE
ps GOH if you were playing for NZ would you try harder and/or have better dicipline, im proud training and running my dogs in dog agility, but goh, under Mr Farrar as a GOP , you will only talk to academics, THINK blunt workers with differant views NOT WANTED
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February 6, 2009 9:30pm
grumpyoldhori

joeAverage, sorry dear boy you are asking the wrong person about sevens, never played it, with my good looks I was of course at tighthead.
A worker are you, a bit like Ernest Bevin ?
Only academics, damn I believed the place was full of the horny handed types.
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February 6, 2009 9:39pm
reid

shit goh in ANY democarcy you have a right of reply , but a god scene exist on this site,run by David Farrar, NO DISSENT,I RULE

joe, are you having trouble with a sticky Caps Lock button?

Secondly, you’ve made quite a few posts since that one you refer to, and yet, no further demerits. What’s going on?

Could it be you’re mistaken? Of course not, but still, all rather mysterious, isn’t it.
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February 6, 2009 9:39pm
joeAverage

The Maori holiday is nearly over ,enjoy it
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February 6, 2009 9:46pm
joeAverage

REID , sorry no caps , we are like kids WOPPS im like a kid waiting to be smacked, but a fact and a comment and 30 demerites got me going, no one new me before and under Mr Farrars reign if i go (I NEVER EXISTED)
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February 6, 2009 9:52pm
reid

I think you’ll find joe, that Farrar is one of the most tolerant blog owners around.

He’s a politico and therefore used to vigorous debate.

He has certain rules, which are pretty easily established, but apart from those, there are no rules.

I rather suspect however, that he might start getting a bit pissed off if you keep going on and on and on about your 30 demerit points, and my suggestion is, if you want to continue round here, simply look at his demerit rules and follow them.

These are:
100 points – For highly defamatory comments
50 points – For grossly inflammatory comments with no redeeming quality
35 points – For blatant trolling, highly inflammatory comments
20 points – abusive language
10 points – posting off topic
5 points – For minor infractions, such as one inflammatory sentence in an otherwise good post

Have a look at the Demerit link on the top left of the Home page, which lists these rules and those who’ve received them.

To illustrate what I’m saying re: DPF’s tolerance, I have taken a number of contrary positions on a number of issues over the years, and I’ve never to my knowledge received any demerits, despite my use of some extremely vigorous language and aggressive debating tactics. My principle is, I won’t back down if I think I’m right, but I never issue gratuitous insults, unless it’s in a spirit of humour or sometimes, in the heat of the moment and only then in response to an equally gratuitous insult issued against me. That’s it, and so far, it’s worked out OK.

You seem like a strong personality and I’m sure all of us will benefit from your wisdom in future. I hope you stay around.
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February 6, 2009 10:08pm
joeAverage

Thanks again Reid for you efforts, im not slagging Mr Farrar as a nasty arsehole .he has his life like we all do, noonelikesagrumpyoldparkehowithatoothabcess. darn MR Farrar should know i go to his blog site, and im proud to read ,the posts,
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February 6, 2009 10:26pm
side show bob

Joe watch the cricket if the sevens piss you off, we are still in with a chance.
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February 6, 2009 10:31pm
joeAverage

thanks bob . ps 8 days to our/my holiday,no more rants, my existance is my worry, but the deep south is our love
the trail/rail cycle is coming
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February 6, 2009 11:22pm
joeAverage

BOB ,bob we won the cricket, ,im shocked again this is the dingo bonkers we were facing, darn we won david,and kiwi blogg, will a source of interest,so tonights victory will be of interest in his page tomorrow (darn what can i say, again we beat Australia, a sick country)
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February 7, 2009 12:09am
grumpyoldhori

joeAverage, and that cheating bastard with his glove of god act only got twelve.
Remember that Aussie headline, even this useless shower from NZ may beat us.
Who is the useless shower now you convict bunch ?
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